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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / March 2006Old seller IMEI blocks for revenge?
Bought my 6310i (still have receipt) from the original owner about 6months ago from Trading Post. Saw his original purchase Telstra reciept and I.D. so bought the phone cheap and its been going great till 2 days ago....Now cant make calls because Telstra says its blocked. Told them the above and they confirm that its blocked and thats it..FULL STOP. Only the person who got it blocked can lift it --- Happens to Cash Convertors heeps and all they do is send them to auction. Got in contact with the old owner and he denies that he got it blocked. Gave Telstra his details but they wont say/confirm anything coz of Privacy Regs. What do you guys think about this? > Bought my 6310i (still have receipt) from the original > owner about 6months ago from Trading Post. > Saw his original purchase Telstra reciept and I.D. so > bought the phone cheap and its been going great till 2 days > ago....Now cant make calls because Telstra says its blocked. Did the receipt have the IMEI on it ? > Told them the above and they confirm that its blocked and thats > it..FULL STOP. Only the person who got it blocked can lift it --- Thats just plain wrong. Sic the TIO onto the stupid fuckwits. > Happens to Cash Convertors heeps Because they sell stolen goods. > and all they do is send them to auction. > Got in contact with the old owner and he denies that he got it blocked. He may well not actually be the original owner and was selling stolen goods. > Gave Telstra his details but they wont > say/confirm anything coz of Privacy Regs. > What do you guys think about this? That its time to sic the TIO onto telstra. The person you bought it off may have faked the receipt. Not hard to do. As Rod said in his post, the guy you bought the handset from is probably not the original owner. However it's strange that the IMEI was blocked 6 months after you'd bought it. Usually if the mobile is lost or stolen, the block is applied within hours or a week at the most. Unless, the phone was stolen whilst the owner was overseas (or in gaol) and they just returned (or got out), realised the situation and called their SP to block the IMEI. If the caller is honest, details are taken down of where and when the set went missing, etc. It's not a situation for the TIO. Stolen goods isn't their bag, that's for the Police. You have the dodgy receipt and the bloke's number, tell the cops and let them follow it up. Perhaps even go to the store where the receipt came from...the seller may even work there and get a surprise when you walk in. You never know, it may uncover a big dodgy operation going on. > As Rod said in his post, the guy you bought the handset from is > probably not the original owner. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > caller is honest, details are taken down of where and when the set > went missing, etc. > It's not a situation for the TIO. Wrong when telstra claims that only the individual who blocked the IMEI can unblock it and telstra isnt prepared to show that the individual who blocked the IMEI had the actually owned that phone when the ownership is in dispute. > Stolen goods isn't their bag, that's for the Police. Blocking IMEIs by telcos is their bag. It aint for the police. > You have the dodgy receipt and the bloke's number, > tell the cops and let them follow it up. Perhaps even go to the store > where the receipt came from...the seller may even work there and get a > surprise when you walk in. You never know, it may uncover a big dodgy > operation going on. Thanks for your replies, Yes I have a receipt showing the IMEI number, I also saw his full original Telstra receipt showing the IMEI, brand, model, date etc, the phone was legit when I bought it from him, the only thing that I can think of is that I recently lent it to a girl I know and suspect now that she may be the culprit -- just cant prove it. Its just so easy to have an IMEI number written down and then ring any Telco that your with and say you've misplaced your phone.--- How do I know? I tried it today, I pulled out my old 3210,rang PrePaid Optus (just sim --no contract), and all they needed was the IMEI, no model, no proof, just the IMEI --- yep and now my old 3210 is blocked till I ring in and say I found it. --- How easy was that !!! ,, what a joke. > know? I tried it today, I pulled out my old 3210,rang PrePaid Optus > (just sim --no contract), and all they needed was the IMEI, no model, > no proof, just the IMEI --- yep and now my old 3210 is blocked till I > ring in and say I found it. --- How easy was that !!! ,, what a joke. But did you make a call using that phone+sim combination? I would assume so. If you did then that establishes a link between the two (phone and account) and your story is feasible. So you can't really do it to Joe Random unless you get their phone, put your sim in and (I assume) make a call/sms. Correct? Thanks for your response. I tried several combinations. Newly blocked 3210 with Optus pre-paid sim, Virgin account sim & Telstra account sim even mums Voda sim and all come up as phone blocked etc. but when use all the above sims into another phone then that phone is ok--even with my Optus Pre paid sim---I advised Optus that only my phone was missing NOT THE SIM-- So yep, its definitely only the phone thats now usesless till I ring them back & advise that I've found the PHONE.....This IMEI block system needs to be reviewed--just to easy for a nuisance blocker to get someone else's phone blocked. If anyone thinks its not easy...get an old working phone and list it as missing with your Telco. > But did you make a call using that phone+sim combination? I would assume > so. If you did then that establishes a link between the two (phone and > account) and your story is feasible. So you can't really do it to Joe > Random unless you get their phone, put your sim in and (I assume) make a > call/sms. Correct? > Thanks for your response. > I tried several combinations. Newly blocked 3210 with Optus pre-paid [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > needs to be reviewed--just to easy for a nuisance blocker to get > someone else's phone blocked. I don't think you understand what I was getting at. By making a call with that sim + phone combination you have shown the carrier that at some point there was a relationship between the two. Unless the nuisance person has physical access to your phone to put their sim in they can't, IMHO, just ring up and cancel the IMEI. The carrier would look to see that their account/sim has never been associated with that phone and thus no relationship exists = no block. Get my point? > > back & advise that I've found the PHONE.....This IMEI block system > > needs to be reviewed--just to easy for a nuisance blocker to get [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > with that sim + phone combination you have shown the carrier that at > some point there was a relationship between the two. Unless the nuisance But that means nothing, I've put my SIM into my wifes phone to use it when mine was being repaired, doesnt mean I should necessarily be able to block her phone > The carrier would look to see that their account/sim has never been > associated with that phone and thus no relationship exists = no block. > Get my point? Unfortunately most IT systems cannot even do what you suggest, very easily. It just isnt done that way by anyone, in the real world. >>> This IMEI block system needs to be reviewed--just to easy for >>> a nuisance blocker to get someone else's phone blocked. >> I don't think you understand what I was getting at. By making a >> call with that sim + phone combination you have shown the carrier >> that at some point there was a relationship between the two. > But that means nothing, I've put my SIM into my wifes phone > to use it when mine was being repaired, doesnt mean I should > necessarily be able to block her phone It does however mean that the sim has been used in the phone, so you cant say just get an IMEI off an ebay ad and maliciously block it just because you didnt get the phone in the auction. AND that sort of very short term use of a particular phone shouldnt allow that IMEI to be blocked by that user anyway. Or at least the telco should quickly unblock it if the owner of the phone reports it as having been maliciously blocked by say an ex spouse etc. >> The carrier would look to see that their account/sim >> has never been associated with that phone and thus >> no relationship exists = no block. Get my point? > Unfortunately most IT systems cannot > even do what you suggest, very easily. Then its about time that the telco got a good kicking and was forced to fix the system, as the OP originally said. > It just isnt done that way by anyone, in the real world. Pig ignorant drivel. No telco will block any IMEI that they get a request to block without any check at all that the caller is entitled to have it blocked. Even telstra aint actually THAT f.cked. > >> The carrier would look to see that their account/sim > >> has never been associated with that phone and thus [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Then its about time that the telco got a good kicking and > was forced to fix the system, as the OP originally said. Nothing needs fixing because nothing is wrong You just cant prove, to any degree of reliability, that you (man who owns service), has the right to block said IMEI > > It just isnt done that way by anyone, in the real world. > > Pig ignorant drivel. > > No telco will block any IMEI that they get a request to block > without any check at all that the caller is entitled to have it blocked. Try it with Telstra! > Even telstra aint actually THAT f.cked. They are all that f.cked. Telstra is, thats why this thread started. Optus is, as per other post >>>> The carrier would look to see that their account/sim >>>> has never been associated with that phone and thus >>>> no relationship exists = no block. Get my point? >>> Unfortunately most IT systems cannot >>> even do what you suggest, very easily. >> Then its about time that the telco got a good kicking and >> was forced to fix the system, as the OP originally said. > Nothing needs fixing because nothing is wrong Wrong, as always. > You just cant prove, to any degree of reliability, that you > (man who owns service), has the right to block said IMEI Wrong, as always. And even if you couldnt, and you can, telstra cant stonewall when an IMEI has been blocked maliciously by someone who had no right to block it in the first place. >>> It just isnt done that way by anyone, in the real world. >> Pig ignorant drivel. >> No telco will block any IMEI that they get a request to block >> without any check at all that the caller is entitled to have it blocked. > Try it with Telstra! I doubt even Telstra is actually that completely f.cked. And if it is, it needs a f.cking great bomb put under it, again. >> Even telstra aint actually THAT f.cked. > They are all that f.cked. Telstra is, thats why this thread started. I doubt even Telstra is actually that completely f.cked. And if it is, it needs a f.cking great bomb put under it, again. > Optus is, as per other post I doubt even Optarse is actually that completely f.cked. And if it is, it needs a f.cking great bomb put under it, again. > Wrong, as always. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > I doubt even Telstra is actually that completely f.cked. Well it is, give me an old IMEI of yours, Roddles. I'll block it for you, as proof. >> Wrong, as always. >>> You just cant prove, to any degree of reliability, that you >>> (man who owns service), has the right to block said IMEI >> Wrong, as always. >> And even if you couldnt, and you can, telstra cant stonewall >> when an IMEI has been blocked maliciously by someone >> who had no right to block it in the first place. >>>>> It just isnt done that way by anyone, in the real world. >>>> Pig ignorant drivel. >>>> No telco will block any IMEI that they get a request to block >>>> without any check at all that the caller is entitled to have it >>>> blocked. >>> Try it with Telstra! >> I doubt even Telstra is actually that completely f.cked. > Well it is, give me an old IMEI of yours, Roddles. > I'll block it for you, as proof. Then its time one hell of a bomb was put under Telstra by the TIO. In spades if they refuse to unblock an IMEI thats been maliciously blocked. You make sense by I cant figure why my PrePaid Telco would block my old 3210 without it ever been used on their system? That's the point that I'm trying to make. You make sense --- The telco's IMEI block of a phone never on their system doesn't. I'm the original owner SINCE NEW from another Telco yet my PrePaid Telco blocked it. You make sense by I cant figure why my PrePaid Telco would block my old 3210 without it ever been used on their system? That's the point that I'm trying to make. You make sense --- The telco's IMEI block of a phone never on their system doesn't. I'm the original owner SINCE NEW from another Telco yet my PrePaid Telco blocked it. You first post told us that you bought the phone via the Trading Post off a bloke who showed you the Telstra receipt, etc. You'd been using the phone and service for 6 months before it was blocked. Now you tell us you owned the phone outright and ported it to telstra and it's never been used on the network? Have you re-charged the account since you ported the number to telstra? Rod, can you make sense of what he's saying? > You first post told us that you bought the phone via the Trading Post > off a bloke who showed you the Telstra receipt, etc. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Rod, can you make sense of what he's saying? He's got two phones. Complicated, eh? > You first post told us that you bought the phone via the Trading > Post off a bloke who showed you the Telstra receipt, etc. > You'd been using the phone and service for 6 months before it was > blocked. Now you tell us you owned the phone outright and ported > it to telstra and it's never been used on the network? > Have you re-charged the account since you ported the number to > telstra? > Rod, can you make sense of what he's saying? It has got rather confused. I assume he is saying that he can get an IMEI thats never been used on the telstra system blocked by ringing telstra, but that isnt the handset that someone else got blocked on him, that he had been using and got via the trading post. This last post of his appears to be a comment on how poor Telstra's proceedures are for blocking IMEIs, saying that they dont really check at all when the IMEI has not been used on their system. > > You first post told us that you bought the phone via the Trading > > Post off a bloke who showed you the Telstra receipt, etc. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > IMEIs, saying that they dont really check at all > when the IMEI has not been used on their system. Thank you. Knowing the Telstra system like I do, an IMEI can only be blocked if there is an service number attached to it. The most likely way that a block has occurred in this case is that that the phone has been loaned out to someone who has placed their own sim card in it, made some calls, given the phone back, and later on calls up customer service from another service and does the dirty trick. > > I assume he is saying that he can get an IMEI thats never > > been used on the telstra system blocked by ringing telstra, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Knowing the Telstra system like I do, an IMEI can only be blocked if > there is an service number attached to it. Thats also incorrect, dimwit. What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which havent made a call against that IMEI. Just because you, Mr CSR, cant do it in MCSHD doesnt mean it isnt done. Read your Easenet for the correct policy on IMEI blocking > The most likely way that a block has occurred in this case is that that > the phone has been loaned out to someone who has placed their own sim > card in it, made some calls, given the phone back, and later on calls > up customer service from another service and does the dirty trick. Incorrect. > > > I assume he is saying that he can get an IMEI thats never > > > been used on the telstra system blocked by ringing telstra, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Incorrect. Give us all the possible scenarios oracle. Mine was just one possibility. Enlighten us all wise and learned one. > What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which havent > made a call against that IMEI. Will the NBC block an imei on this scenario? you buy a handset from a bloke in a pub, who even gives you a recipt. a day later your new phone is stolen...you ring up a telco to block the imei, even though you haven't used an active sim in it...can it be blocked by you successfully? if so, on what grounds would NBC allow it to be blocked? > Just because you, Mr CSR, cant do it in MCSHD doesnt mean it isnt done. > Read your Easenet for the correct policy on IMEI blocking - i do it all the time via helpdesk or a template if the systems are down. It's a weekend. What is the policy if you're so savvy on Easenet? MCSHD - what does that stand for, and which program is it used in? > > What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which havent > > made a call against that IMEI. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > haven't used an active sim in it...can it be blocked by you > successfully? if so, on what grounds would NBC allow it to be blocked? Because you asked for it to be blocked. > > Just because you, Mr CSR, cant do it in MCSHD doesnt mean it isnt done. > > > Read your Easenet for the correct policy on IMEI blocking - i do it all the time via helpdesk or a template if the systems are down. > > It's a weekend. What is the policy if you're so savvy on Easenet? > MCSHD - what does that stand for, and which program is it used in? Trying thinking about all of the programs you load each day to do your job > > > What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which > havent [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Trying thinking about all of the programs you load each day to do your job thanks kwyjibo for the clarification - we only call the program Helpdesk in our unpretentious workplace. Michael ...what's the policy again on imei blocking? >>>> What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services >>>> which havent made a call against that IMEI. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > thanks kwyjibo for the clarification - we only call the program > Helpdesk in our unpretentious workplace. So do the team of software developers who maintain it, so don't feel too bad. Michael is just resorting to his usual 'baffle them with bullshit' tactic because he knows he's incapable of "dazzling us with brilliance". AFAIK, the only place it's referred to by the MCSHD acronym is in Solve Central (the IT change and problem management system) > Michael ...what's the policy again on imei blocking?  SignatureKwyj > So do the team of software developers who maintain it, so don't feel too > bad. Michael is just resorting to his usual 'baffle them with bullshit' > tactic because he knows he's incapable of "dazzling us with brilliance". > > AFAIK, the only place it's referred to by the MCSHD acronym is in Solve > Central (the IT change and problem management system) Rubbish, its referred to as MCSHD in lots of other places Regarding this IEMI blocking thing, since the carriers enabled the feature, what has the stolen phone rate been like? Has it dropped? SignatureBigamy (n); having one wife too many. Monogamy - see "Bigamy" > > > > What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which > > havent [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Helpdesk in our unpretentious workplace. > Michael ...what's the policy again on imei blocking? read your easenet > > > > > What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which > > > havent [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > read your easenet You ignorant dimwit...I don't think you have even easenet on your pc. Anyway, without having easenet handy from the home pc, a quick look at the www.mindyourmobile.com (or www.amta.org.au)is very useful as far as responsibilties, stats and facts on the matter. in FAQs is this question: How will carriers prevent unauthorised people mischievously reporting a phone stolen and having it disconnected? Where a mobile carrier identifies a handset as lost or stolen, either by internal loss or customer report, only those IMEI's blocked on their own network are to be sent by the mobile carrier to the AMTA's IMEI central database. GSM network carriers must put in place adequate processes to ensure the integrity of the information that is provided to the central database. As a minimum this will involve: Process to validate identity of the customer Validation of IMEI based upon recent customer usage history Validation of IMEI based upon the mobile carrier's own inventory records As to what Rod was alluding to before: if any telco CSR doesn't do the proper checks as stated above, an innocent customer can be denied use of their mobile. If there's been a stuff up, and the telco is not understanding or co-operative, a third party, usually the TIO, may get involved to sort it out. One thing our original poster didn't say is whether he did an IMEI check himself prior to purchase by calling 1900 964 634. have a nice day, thanks for calling. > > read your easenet > > You ignorant dimwit...I don't think you have even easenet on your pc. Its a web site, not a thin client > in FAQs is this question: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Process to validate identity of the customer Which is done > Validation of IMEI based upon recent customer usage history Which is done if there are outgoing call records available > Validation of IMEI based upon the mobile carrier's own inventory > records Which is, basically, impossible > have a nice day, thanks for calling. Youre most welcome >>> read your easenet >> You ignorant dimwit...I don't think you have even easenet on your pc. > Its a web site, not a thin client >> in FAQs is this question: >> How will carriers prevent unauthorised people mischievously >> reporting a phone stolen and having it disconnected? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> adequate processes to ensure the integrity of the information that >> is provided to the central database. As a minimum this will involve: >> Process to validate identity of the customer > Which is done Lie. >> Validation of IMEI based upon recent customer usage history > Which is done if there are outgoing call records available There are f.ck all where there arent any, and the ID checks should be a LOT more stringent when there arent. >> Validation of IMEI based upon the mobile carrier's own inventory records > Which is, basically, impossible Not a f.cking clue, as always. >> What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which >> havent [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > It's a weekend. What is the policy if you're so savvy on Easenet? > MCSHD - what does that stand for, IIRC it's Mobilenet Customer Service HelpDesk, commonly known as Helpdesk. > and which program is it used in? It is a program in its own right. SignatureKwyj > > Thanks for your response. > > I tried several combinations. Newly blocked 3210 with Optus pre-paid [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > person has physical access to your phone to put their sim in they can't, > IMHO, just ring up and cancel the IMEI. And once again I advise, you are incorrect. > The carrier would look to see that their account/sim has never been > associated with that phone and thus no relationship exists = no block. > Get my point? And you are wrong > > know? I tried it today, I pulled out my old 3210,rang PrePaid Optus > > (just sim --no contract), and all they needed was the IMEI, no model, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Random unless you get their phone, put your sim in and (I assume) make a > call/sms. Correct? Nope. No such check is made > Thanks for your replies, Yes I have a receipt showing the IMEI number, > I also saw his full original Telstra receipt showing the IMEI, brand, > model, date etc, the phone was legit when I bought it from him, You cant be completely sure of that, it isnt hard to fake up receipts. > the only thing that I can think of is that I recently lent it to a girl I > know > and suspect now that she may be the culprit -- just cant prove it. Then get the TIO to force telstra to say who blocked it. > Its just so easy to have an IMEI number written down and then ring > any Telco that your with and say you've misplaced your phone.--- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is blocked till I ring in and say I found it. --- How easy was that > !!! ,, what a joke. Are you sure they didnt check that you had used that IMEI yourself from the data they have on you ? > > As Rod said in his post, the guy you bought the handset from is > > probably not the original owner. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the individual who blocked the IMEI had the actually owned > that phone when the ownership is in dispute. ***The question now is, whose service is it anyway? Our friend's? Perhaps not anymore if it's been changed without his knowledge** And that can be done very easily if the service is pre-paid. > > As Rod said in his post, the guy you bought the handset from is > > probably not the original owner. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the individual who blocked the IMEI had the actually owned > that phone when the ownership is in dispute. ***The question now is, whose service is it anyway? Our friend's? Perhaps not anymore if it's been changed without his knowledge** And that can be done very easily if the service is pre-paid. a phone can change owners every week so a receipt from 6 months ago is irrelevant. >>> As Rod said in his post, the guy you bought the handset from is >>> probably not the original owner. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> the individual who blocked the IMEI had the actually owned >> that phone when the ownership is in dispute. > The question now is, whose service is it anyway? Our friend's? > Perhaps not anymore if it's been changed without his knowledge** > And that can be done very easily if the service is pre-paid. And that is precisely what the TIO can get involved in resolving if telstra is stupid enough to try stonewalling him on that question. > a phone can change owners every week > so a receipt from 6 months ago is irrelevant. No its not when considering whether the seller actually owned it. Agreed. TIO must and will act. They will direct Telstra. >>>> As Rod said in his post, the guy you bought the handset from is >>>> probably not the original owner. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > No its not when considering whether the seller actually owned it. > Agreed. TIO must and will act. They will direct Telstra. They will investigate and suggest nothing. There is no way to "prove" who owns a handset at any one time > >>>> As Rod said in his post, the guy you bought the handset from is > >>>> probably not the original owner. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com *** > thegoons <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote >> Agreed. TIO must and will act. They will direct Telstra. > They will investigate and suggest nothing. Wrong, as always. They will make telstra check whether the individual who got the IMEI blocked had any right to do that. > There is no way to "prove" who owns a handset at any one time There are plenty of ways of proving who has the right to block an IMEI. >>>>>> As Rod said in his post, the guy you bought the handset from is >>>>>> probably not the original owner. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from >> http://www.SecureIX.com *** > > thegoons <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Wrong, as always. They will make telstra check whether the > individual who got the IMEI blocked had any right to do that. Define "right to do that" How can you prove who has the right to block an IMEI? > > There is no way to "prove" who owns a handset at any one time > > There are plenty of ways of proving who has the right to block an IMEI. How so? Name them. "You made the claim, YOU get to prove it" Case study: The handset I am currently using is not the one I use with my number. The handset my sister is using, is on a service which is not in her name. You cannot prove who has the "right" to block an IMEI. You cannot prove, who owns a phone. End of story. > >>>>>> As Rod said in his post, the guy you bought the handset from is > >>>>>> probably not the original owner. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from > >> http://www.SecureIX.com *** > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> thegoons <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote >>>> Agreed. TIO must and will act. They will direct Telstra. >>> They will investigate and suggest nothing. >> Wrong, as always. They will make telstra check whether the >> individual who got the IMEI blocked had any right to do that. > Define "right to do that" That they had the handset at one time and werent a thief etc who had got caught and is attempting to maliciously block the IMEI. > How can you prove who has the right to block an IMEI? Should be obvious. The individual who is calling to get the IMEI blocked should be able to show that it has used that IMEI for more than a short time. >>> There is no way to "prove" who owns a handset at any one time >> There are plenty of ways of proving who has the right to block an IMEI. > How so? Name them. Just did. > Case study: The handset I am currently using is not > the one I use with my number. The handset my sister > is using, is on a service which is not in her name. Irrelevant if its been used with that sim for more than a short time. > You cannot prove who has the "right" to block an IMEI. Wrong, as always. > You cannot prove, who owns a phone. Wrong, as always. Have fun explaining how come the cops can do that with stolen property, you silly little pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > End of story. Only in your pathetic little drug crazed dunny cleaner fantasyland. >>>>>>>> As Rod said in his post, the guy you bought the handset from is >>>>>>>> probably not the original owner. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>>> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from >>>> http://www.SecureIX.com *** > > How can you prove who has the right to block an IMEI? > > Should be obvious. The individual who is calling > to get the IMEI blocked should be able to show > that it has used that IMEI for more than a short time. Ok, good. Now we are talking, Roddles. Ok. My phone's broken. You lend me yours. I use it for a week, and give it back. So then I call to have it blocked, as your mindless lines in UseNet are starting to make me cry. My question: - How do YOU prove, that you have the right to have it unblocked? > >>> There is no way to "prove" who owns a handset at any one time > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Just did. You gave one good example, Ive given you my reply. > > Case study: The handset I am currently using is not > > the one I use with my number. The handset my sister > > is using, is on a service which is not in her name. > > Irrelevant if its been used with that sim for more than a short time. What about incoming only? Also, what about if I buy a phone from a store, outright. Someone steals the phone straight away, and starts using it. How can I prove that I have the right to block it? > > You cannot prove, who owns a phone. > > Wrong, as always. Have fun explaining how come the cops can do that > with stolen property, you silly little pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit > child. The cops can only go off who made the claim. What if there is a counter claim? How can a CSR of any telco, prove that someone "owns" a phone? >>> How can you prove who has the right to block an IMEI? >> Should be obvious. The individual who is calling >> to get the IMEI blocked should be able to show >> that it has used that IMEI for more than a short time. > Ok, good. Now we are talking, Roddles. Wrong again. In your case its desperately pig ignorantly w.nking, as always. > Ok. My phone's broken. You lend me yours. > I use it for a week, and give it back. > So then I call to have it blocked, as your mindless > lines in UseNet are starting to make me cry. > My question: > - How do YOU prove, that you have > the right to have it unblocked? Some proof of purchase etc, fuckwit. >>>>> There is no way to "prove" who owns a handset at any one time >>>> There are plenty of ways of proving who has the right to block an >>>> IMEI. >>> How so? Name them. >> Just did. > You gave one good example, Ive given you my reply. And it was you usual pig ignorant steaming turd. >>> Case study: The handset I am currently using is not >>> the one I use with my number. The handset my sister >>> is using, is on a service which is not in her name. >> Irrelevant if its been used with that sim for more than a short time. > What about incoming only? Some proof of purchase etc, fuckwit. > Also, what about if I buy a phone from a store, outright. > Someone steals the phone straight away, and starts using it. > How can I prove that I have the right to block it? Some proof of purchase etc, fuckwit. >>> You cannot prove, who owns a phone. >> Wrong, as always. Have fun explaining how come >> the cops can do that with stolen property, you silly >> little pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > The cops can only go off who made the claim. Wrong, as always. > What if there is a counter claim? They request some evidence to support the claim, stupid. > How can a CSR of any telco, prove that someone "owns" a phone? Its been used by that individual for more than a short time, fuckwit. > Bought my 6310i (still have receipt) from the original owner about > 6months ago from Trading Post. I noticed that yo9u are not referring to the receipt as the contract. mk5000 'hammers, hammers, no cameras, you'll be runnin to nana (nana nana) nana nana santana, he be holding berettas killa killa kills civilians, you know i'm no better mo' betta' betta', cheddar cheddar, you'll be dead on your lever'0--juelz santana, murda murda > > Bought my 6310i (still have receipt) from the original owner about > > 6months ago from Trading Post. > > I noticed that yo9u are not referring to the receipt as the contract. Because it isnt If you buy a phone on contract, you get a contract from the carrier or SP, and a receipt from the store. Two totally diff. things |
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