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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / June 2006Daughter wants a Motorola V3 - is this phone good or bad?
My daughter wants a pink Motorola V3 for her birthday in a week or so. However, I vaguely recall reading quite a few negative comments about this phone online and offline. Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about it? Also, does anyone have any clues as to the best prepaid deal around? A bit of a search on the net shows Virgin has the V3 for $279, but their web site doesn't show it in pink. Do sellers charge a premium for the pink version? Finally, if I get a Virgin-locked Motorola V3, can I use it with an Optus prepaid sim card like I can with a Nokia or Sony Ericsson phone Virgin-locked phone? Or is the phone actually locked to Virgin, like LG phones can be? Dealers just don't seem to have any idea about this kind of thing, or at least don't want to tell buyers. Thanks, Peter > My daughter wants a pink Motorola V3 for her birthday in a week or so. > However, I vaguely recall reading quite a few negative comments about > this phone online and offline. Does anyone have anything good or bad to > say about it? People have quite a lot to say about it, both good AND bad. To me, the thing looks lovely but technically seems dodgy. Have a search in the "Phones" forum here for "V3": http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-search.cfm > bit of a search on the net shows Virgin has the V3 for $279, but their > web site doesn't show it in pink. I asked at Virgin's Melbourne store: they only have the silver version. > Have a search in the "Phones" forum here for "V3": > http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-search.cfm I couldn't actually see a "Phones" forum there, and I only found three threads about the V3, with two of those basically about bluetooth problems with Apple computers. Overall, there really wasn't much negative there. Is there an Australian forum where people discuss mobile phones? Thanks, Peter > I couldn't actually see a "Phones" forum there, and I only found three > threads about the V3, with two of those basically about bluetooth problems > with Apple computers. Overall, there really wasn't much negative there. > > Is there an Australian forum where people discuss mobile phones? You're there! My rule of thumb is, if its American or Korean, avoid it. >> Is there an Australian forum where people discuss mobile phones? > > You're there! I meant a forum as opposed to a newsgroup. To lots of people, the only forums *are* forums - either their ISP doesn't carry newsgroups, or they don't know about them, or how to use them. > My rule of thumb is, if its American or Korean, avoid it. Do you have a basis for your rule of thumb, or are you just generally anti-American and anti-Korean? And do you mean design, or manufacture, or both? Or something else? And does your rule mean that if it's not American or Korean, then it's good? Regards, Peter >>> Is there an Australian forum where people discuss mobile phones? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Do you have a basis for your rule of thumb, or are you just generally > anti-American and anti-Korean? 15 years of observation in the industry. And do you mean design, or manufacture, > or both? Or something else? > > And does your rule mean that if it's not American or Korean, then it's > good? > > Regards, Peter > 15 years of observation in the industry. Has it ever observed the downward slide in software quality from Nokia in the past 5 years? ;) >> 15 years of observation in the industry. > > Has it ever observed the downward slide in software quality from Nokia in > the past 5 years? ;) Oh yeah! I think Nokia will go the way of Motorola if they dont take more care. They are trying to break records for the release of more and more models. They should slow down on gimmick phones and try to concentrate on reliability. But the fast money (there's lots of it) is more than happy buying fashion statements rather than 'reliability.' >>> 15 years of observation in the industry. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > models. They should slow down on gimmick phones and try to concentrate on > reliability. And plenty buy mobile phones like they are shirts etc. > But the fast money (there's lots of it) is more than happy buying > fashion statements rather than 'reliability.' [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> and more models. They should slow down on gimmick phones and try to >> concentrate on reliability. > And plenty buy mobile phones like they are shirts etc. Yep. You've just got to remember not to chuck them in the washing machine though. >> But the fast money (there's lots of it) is more than happy buying >> fashion statements rather than 'reliability.' [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> and more models. They should slow down on gimmick phones and try to >>> concentrate on reliability.  SignatureKwyj > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >> And plenty buy mobile phones like they are shirts etc. > Yep. You've just got to remember not to chuck them in the washing machine though. Plenty of those cant even manage that. >>> But the fast money (there's lots of it) is more than happy buying >>> fashion statements rather than 'reliability.' [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>>> of more and more models. They should slow down on gimmick phones >>>> and try to concentrate on reliability. two said.... > Oh yeah! I think Nokia will go the way of Motorola if they dont take > more care. They are trying to break records for the release of more and > more models. They should slow down on gimmick phones and try to > concentrate on reliability. And decent software. I downloaded and installed the latest version of Nokia's PC Suite. To say that I'm less than impressed is an understatement. Or maybe it's a function my my Nokia 2280. I can't view the individual contacts on the PC. I can't edit or delete them. I can only add new ones. I can't import say from my Palm's contacts database. I can only backup and restore the phonebook. The SMS functionality is non-existant. It looks like you can SMS from the PC if the phone's connected. But it doesn't work. I used to have a 5110i and the Data Suite as it was called back then. I could download and edit any name/number. Add or delete contacts and send/receive SMSes via the program. And that was 6 years ago. Why has Nokia gone backwards in this area? My 2280 would be complete if it had an IR port. I'd do what I used to do with my 6385 til I drowned it, and to copy contacts to/from my Palm via IR and use the Palm Desktop software as the backup. What are the other brands, Motorola, LG, Sage-em, Sony-Ericsson, etc. like in this regard? > two said.... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > import say from my Palm's contacts database. I can only backup and > restore the phonebook. Do it within Outlook/OE then sync it back to the phone. The major problem I've found with their software is that it can't handle recurring appointments. A glaring fuckup for a supposedly business product. > The SMS functionality is non-existant. It looks like you can SMS from > the PC if the phone's connected. But it doesn't work. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > What are the other brands, Motorola, LG, Sage-em, Sony-Ericsson, etc. > like in this regard? Motorola uses third-party software (Phone Tools) that works fine, if slowly. Does all that you mentioned above. Siemens is similar in that they use third party software that works fine. Nokia is by far the worst when it comes to PC software for their phones. SignatureKwyj > And decent software. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The SMS functionality is non-existant. It looks like you can SMS from > the PC if the phone's connected. But it doesn't work. Its f.cked software > I used to have a 5110i and the Data Suite as it was called back then. > I could download and edit any name/number. Add or delete contacts and > send/receive SMSes via the program. And that was 6 years ago. > > Why has Nokia gone backwards in this area? Cause they are f.cked >> Have a search in the "Phones" forum here for "V3": >> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-search.cfm > > I couldn't actually see a "Phones" forum there, and I only found three > threads about the V3, with two of those basically about bluetooth > problems with Apple computers. There's definitely a "Phones" forum there in the drop-down list where you specify which forum to search. Just searched for "V3" then and got about 20 hits :) > There's definitely a "Phones" forum there in the drop-down list where you > specify which forum to search. How strange - we must be looking at different places. The entire contents of the drop-down list at http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-search.cfm when I view it is: Forum feedback Choosing an ISP BigPond OptusNet Internode iiNet / OzEmail Netspace Westnet TPG Primus People Telecom aaNet Exetel Adam Wild I&T Regional, Satellite Other broadband Wireless ISPs ISDN, DoV Dial-up internet Peering DSL General DSL Hardware Networking Coding & Web IT & Telco Peer to peer On the internet Voice over IP PC Hardware Windows Apple Linux/BSD Music Lounge General Discussion +SiN+ Servers Unless my glasses are getting *very* dirty, I can't see a phones forum there :-) > Just searched for "V3" then and got about 20 hits :) I get 43 thread hits searching for "V3" without selecting a particular forum, with all but about five threads having nothing to do with the Motorola V3 phone. Peter >> There's definitely a "Phones" forum there in the drop-down list where you >> specify which forum to search. > > How strange - we must be looking at different places. That puzzled me for a bit, then I tried the same page in IE, which I never use and therefore am not logged in to Whirlpool with. And sure enough, no phones forum. Looks like certain forums on Whirlpool only show up when you're logged in. > Looks like certain forums on Whirlpool only show up when you're logged in. Yes, the phones forum will only show up when you sign in... Brendon said.... >> Looks like certain forums on Whirlpool only show up when you're logged >> in. > > Yes, the phones forum will only show up when you sign in... Ah, probably explains why I can't see it when I'm browsing the Telstra website... > My daughter wants a pink Motorola V3 for her birthday in a week or > so. However, I vaguely recall reading quite a few negative comments > about this phone online and offline. Does anyone have anything good > or bad to say about it? Not sure if you mean the V3 RAZR or the V3x but these reviews seem thorough. http://www.mobique.com/motorola/v3/page1.php http://www.mobique.com/motorola/v3x/page1.php SignatureCerberus None Shall Pass! ~|~ Alas, poor Eric... I knew him to oft err so. > My daughter wants a pink Motorola V3 for her birthday in a week or so. > However, I vaguely recall reading quite a few negative comments about this [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks, Peter Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would be many that wouldn't. > > My daughter wants a pink Motorola V3 for her birthday in a week or so. > > However, I vaguely recall reading quite a few negative comments about this [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would be many > that wouldn't. Ever since GSM, your comments are valid >> "Pete" <pjetson@pobox.com> wrote in message > news:447edc6e@news.eftel.com... [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Ever since GSM, your comments are valid Yeah, its a shame they didn't follow on from the analogue brick etc, into GSM , now that was a real winner. >>> > My daughter wants a pink Motorola V3 for her birthday in a week or so. >>> > However, I vaguely recall reading quite a few negative comments about [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Yeah, its a shame they didn't follow on from the analogue brick etc, into > GSM , now that was a real winner. Motorola ruled with analogue, Nokia ruled with GSM, who will rule now? >>>> > My daughter wants a pink Motorola V3 for her birthday in a week or so. >>>> > However, I vaguely recall reading quite a few negative comments about [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >Motorola ruled with analogue, Nokia ruled with GSM, who will rule now? Benefon, IMO. >>>>>My daughter wants a pink Motorola V3 for her birthday in a week or so. >>>>>However, I vaguely recall reading quite a few negative comments about [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Motorola ruled with analogue, Nokia ruled with GSM, who will rule now? Judging by all the people I see using them, probobly the Japanese/asian companies (LG, NEC etc etc). >>>>>Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would be >>>>>many [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Judging by all the people I see using them, probobly the Japanese/asian > companies (LG, NEC etc etc). The problem is that the Korean phones "look good". Looking good, and being good have proved to be two entirely different things. When I buy a phone I want reliability and functuality, not good looks. > Motorola ruled with analogue, Nokia ruled with GSM, who will rule now? Probably some Japanese or Korean firm - after all they pretty much exclusively use CDMA/UMTS in their respective countries, and provided you can cope with the weirdly designed menu system all my experiences with those models has been excellent - with the exception of some of the low-end LG models. The experience with my new Samsung model cements that view for me. Albinus said.... > you can cope with the weirdly designed menu system all my experiences > with those models has been excellent - with the exception of some of the > low-end LG models. My first CDMA phone was an LG, mainly because Nokia had yet to release its first CDMA, the 6385. The LG was a poor performer. It had a complex and difficult to navigate menu system. To send an SMS required something like 12 keystrokes (button pushes?) before you got to enter the text, and then a couple more after that. It had no predictive text input, no PC connectivity and no readily available car kits for it. I used to think that CDMA coverage wasn't all that flash as the phone used to drop out a fair bit. It wasn't until I got the Nokia that I found that it was the LG's performance that was not all that flash. The Nokia would perform better, particularly in marginal areas than the LG ever did. > > Motorola ruled with analogue, Nokia ruled with GSM, who will rule now? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > low-end LG models. The experience with my new Samsung model cements that > view for me. Is it still possible to buy new Siemens models? I was told by a retailer that they are no longer concerned with mobile phones, which sounds crazy. Also you see many people walking around with Siemens advertisements on T-shirts and such. > Is it still possible to buy new Siemens models? I was told by > a retailer that they are no longer concerned with mobile > phones, which sounds crazy. Also you see many people walking > around with Siemens advertisements on T-shirts and such. They sold their mobile phone business to Benq. This is a Taiwanese company, but their mobile phone development unit is still in Germany, and the phones will be dual branded Siemens/Benq for a while. They pulled out of the Australian market before the sale, and haven't reentered that I've heard of. John >>> Motorola ruled with analogue, Nokia ruled with GSM, who will rule >>> now? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Is it still possible to buy new Siemens models? Yep. They are actually sold under the BenQ brand. In fact, thay have the dearest phone on the Optus dealers list - even more expensive than the O2 models. > I was told by a > retailer that they are no longer concerned with mobile phones, which > sounds crazy. The retailer is full of sh.t. SignatureKwyj > >> "Pete" <pjetson@pobox.com> wrote in message > > news:447edc6e@news.eftel.com... [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Yeah, its a shame they didn't follow on from the analogue brick etc, into > GSM , now that was a real winner. The first GSM brick was great. I have seen someone (a moron), throw one into a car window whilst talking on it, pick it up and keep talking. However all their other stuff was shite. Especially the 1-888. Thank god i didnt buy one, it was either that or the Nokia 2010. I chose the correct answer Justin Case wrote: > Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would be > many that wouldn't. And this is based on, what? >> Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would be >> many that wouldn't. > > And this is based on, what? Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned or used them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple! >>> Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would be >>> many that wouldn't. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned or used > them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple! Over the past few weeks I've been shopping around for a new phone, and have run into several friends with Moto V3 and V3i handsets. And it's interesting - when I say "hey, cool phone, can I have a look?" they respond "yeah, it LOOKS cool, but it's a pile of sh.t". Every single time. And then there's the V3 that Virgin demonstrated to me. They turned it on and it took a good 25 to 30 seconds to boot up. Unless the lack of a SIM in that particular phone has something to do with that, it's rather pathetic for a 21st century communications device...! > And then there's the V3 that Virgin demonstrated to me. They turned it on > and it took a good 25 to 30 seconds to boot up. Unless the lack of a SIM in > that particular phone has something to do with that, it's rather pathetic > for a 21st century communications device...! Not particularly relevant, these phones have a much bigger memory and take longer to boot >> And then there's the V3 that Virgin demonstrated to me. They turned >> it on and it took a good 25 to 30 seconds to boot up. Unless the >> lack of a SIM in that particular phone has something to do with >> that, it's rather pathetic for a 21st century communications >> device...! > Not particularly relevant, Wrong, as always. > these phones have a much bigger memory and take longer to boot Pathetic, really. >> And then there's the V3 that Virgin demonstrated to me. They turned it on >> and it took a good 25 to 30 seconds to boot up. Unless the lack of a SIM in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Not particularly relevant, these phones have a much bigger memory and take > longer to boot If you apply that sort of logic, my PC - with its 2GB of RAM - should take a few hours to boot. The amount of memory in a phone is irrelevant. The V3's boot time - at least, the one I saw booting - is ludicrously slow, making a Commodore 64 look like a Cray by comparison. > >> And then there's the V3 that Virgin demonstrated to me. They turned it on > >> and it took a good 25 to 30 seconds to boot up. Unless the lack of a SIM in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If you apply that sort of logic, my PC - with its 2GB of RAM - should take > a few hours to boot. No, thats not the answer you get when applying my comments Justin Case wrote: > Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned or used > them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple! Well, Motorola must be doing something right. It's been in the mobile phone business longer than most and still enjoys healthy sales. Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people to listen to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than just merely expressing your personal opinion. >> Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned or used >> them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than just merely > expressing your personal opinion. What do you expect? Some kind of spreadsheet full of some kind of data? Noturyulo\ said.... >> Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people to listen >> to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than just merely >> expressing your personal opinion. > > What do you expect? Some kind of spreadsheet full of some kind of data? It would be a start, yes. People make all sorts of claims about all sorts of things on the internet and in Usenet in particular. When someone's trying to do decent research, and in this case, the fellow wants to know how good the Motorola phones are, he's being forced to take at face value, some anonymous poster's opinion about what he thinks of the brand. Then you get the types who argue the other guy's opinion, and then it goes on and on, tit for tat. It can be f.cking frustrating at times. At least the web based forums do offer some moderation in this respect. Not sure if the info is any better, though, but it has to be better than what we often see in here. > Noturyulo\ said.... > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > offer some moderation in this respect. Not sure if the info is any > better, though, but it has to be better than what we often see in here. There are more respected and knowledgeable people in here than the fools on web forums. And no idiots on power trips as "moderators". Indeed with mobile phones it's people's personal opinions on the usability etc that is more important on this sort of forum than the hard facts which can be easily gotten from user manuals and websites etc. Noturyulo\ wrote: >> It can be f.cking frustrating at times. At least the web based forums >> do [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > There are more respected and knowledgeable people in here than the fools > on web forums. And no idiots on power trips as "moderators". But how do you pick the knowledgeable poster from the bullshti artist? > Indeed with mobile phones it's people's personal opinions on the > usability etc that is more important on this sort of forum than the hard > facts which can be easily gotten from user manuals and websites etc. Indeed, nothing beats the experience of a product's customer base when it comes to consumer issues and product reviews. The only problem here is picking the geniune from the bogus. There's also the issue about the numbers of people who post here, which is relatively insignificant compared to the wider community. One or two people post in aus.comms.mobile and claim that the Motorola V3 is a piece of sh.t. Yet out there "in the real world" (a cliche if I've ever heard one) there might be a few thousand owners of these phones who are happy with them. Usenet doesn't have the same patronage as the ever expanding web base bulletin board/forums. So, we really only see a sub-set of the wide community. Finally, how you can authoritatively state that a web forum user is not as knowledgeable as someone who posts in Usenet, I don't know. > Noturyulo\ wrote >>> It can be f.cking frustrating at times. At least the web >>> based forums do offer some moderation in this respect. >>> Not sure if the info is any better, though, but it has to be >>> better than what we often see in here. >> There are more respected and knowledgeable people in here than the >> fools on web forums. And no idiots on power trips as "moderators". > But how do you pick the knowledgeable poster from the bullshti artist? Check the basics of their claim. Like try the offered 'solutions' etc and see which ones fix the problem you are asking about etc. Not a shred of rocket science required at all. >> Indeed with mobile phones it's people's personal opinions >> on the usability etc that is more important on this sort of >> forum than the hard facts which can be easily gotten >> from user manuals and websites etc. > Indeed, nothing beats the experience of a product's customer base > when it comes to consumer issues and product reviews. The only > problem here is picking the geniune from the bogus. Yes, but when you can see plenty of snide remarks made about a particular handset, and few if any good comments about anything but its appearance... > There's also the issue about the numbers of people who post here, > which is relatively insignificant compared to the wider community. Thats not necessarily a bad thing. The vast bulk of consumers wouldnt necessarily know what a decent intuitive user interface was if it bit them on their lard arses. They're mostly the stupids who dont know why some VCRs are hard to program or why some handsets are complete dogs to do anything unusual with etc. > One or two people post in aus.comms.mobile and claim that the > Motorola V3 is a piece of sh.t. Yet out there "in the real world" > (a cliche if I've ever heard one) there might be a few thousand > owners of these phones who are happy with them. Irrelevant if its got a dog of a counter intuitive user interface and they only use the most basic functions themselves. > Usenet doesn't have the same patronage as the ever > expanding web base bulletin board/forums. So, we > really only see a sub-set of the wide community. Thats not necessarily a bad thing, it means that the dregs who havent even noticed that value of usenet arent seen here. > Finally, how you can authoritatively state that a web forum user is > not as knowledgeable as someone who posts in Usenet, I don't know. Pretty basic really. Take some less than obvious problem, check how well its covered in usenet and in forums. > Justin Case wrote >> Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned >> or used them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple! > Well, Motorola must be doing something right. Yes, its worked out that plenty buy phones without doing any real research on how good a product the phone they are buying is. > It's been in the mobile phone business longer > than most and still enjoys healthy sales. All that proves is that there are plenty of stupid suckers. > Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people > to listen to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than > just merely expressing your personal opinion. Not when plenty of others say the same thing. > > Justin Case wrote > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Yes, its worked out that plenty buy phones without doing any real > research on how good a product the phone they are buying is. Indeed, its hard to make such a judgement. A new model comes out, what do you do? Wait 6 mths, and then ring the nearest repair centre and ask how many are being sent back? Nope, most people look at a phone and buy it. They arent concerned about build quality > > It's been in the mobile phone business longer > > than most and still enjoys healthy sales. > > All that proves is that there are plenty of stupid suckers. yup >>> Justin Case wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Nope, most people look at a phone and buy it. > They arent concerned about build quality It aint just about build quality, cretin. >>> It's been in the mobile phone business longer >>> than most and still enjoys healthy sales. >> >> All that proves is that there are plenty of stupid suckers. > > yup Stop yupping, child. > >>> It's been in the mobile phone business longer > >>> than most and still enjoys healthy sales. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Stop yupping, child. Nup >> Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned or used >> them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple! > > Well, Motorola must be doing something right. It's been in the mobile > phone business longer than most and still enjoys healthy sales. The only reason Motorola survived was because they were the best with AMPS. They rode their name very well indeed. With GSM, they brought out some very "spiffy" looking phones. The only decent phone they brought out in that era was the "L" series. > Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people to listen > to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than just merely > expressing your personal opinion. Nothing to do with anyones personal opinion. When hardly anyone has a good thing to say, except "but it looks good" you have to stand up and pay attention. Why did the largest mobile phone wholesaler give Motorola the flick? Do a Google on Motorola support companies, they are few and far between. two bob wrote: > pay attention. Why did the largest mobile phone wholesaler give Motorola > the flick? Which wholesaler was that? > Do a Google on Motorola support companies, they are few and far between. No thanks. Not that interested in it to find out. Feel free to do so, if you wish. >> Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned or used >> them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple! > Well, Motorola must be doing something right. It's been in the mobile > phone business longer than most and still enjoys healthy sales. > > Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people to listen > to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than just merely > expressing your personal opinion. Just because the sales are there doesn't necessarily make it a good product, marketing plays a key roll here, and in my opinion and that of many others, they are still crap. Perhaps you should do your own research on the facts before shooting your mouth off, unless of course you are on Motorola's payroll? Justin said.... > Just because the sales are there doesn't necessarily make it a good > product, marketing plays a key roll here, and in my opinion and that of > many others, they are still crap. Perhaps you should do your own > research on the facts before shooting your mouth off, unless of course > you are on Motorola's payroll? What's the matter? Taking umbrage at being asked to substantiate your claims, perhaps? Whatever, it's up to you whether or not you wish to. Just don't get upset if people ignore you. Hey, let's take the Motorola V3x that Telstra's pushing on a $20 plan, nothing up front. In your view, why do you think that it's rubbish? What makes it a poor quality product? What can a potential buyer look at to see whether or not it is worth considering? And no, I don't work for any mobile phone company. I personally own a Nokia 2280 CDMA phone which is two years old and which is approaching the end of its servicable life. So, I too will be in the market for a new phone in the next 12 months or so as they phase out CDMA and phase in this new 3G service. Throwaway lines like "Motonoklgsageicsson phones are rubbish. All my moites and me reckon this so don't buy 'em" do nothing to help those out there looking for a phone to make a good consumer decision. If you think that a phone is a piece crap, tell us why. Or perhaps point us to somewhere that has reviews of the products. That's all. > Justin said.... > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > If you think that a phone is a piece crap, tell us why. Or perhaps point > us to somewhere that has reviews of the products. That's all. Simply put, out of all the GSM Moto phones I have owned and used over the years, and with the exception of their earlier analogues, not one of them gave me what I would consider a reasonable "PERFORMANCE" compared to others on the market at the time. My main issues with the Moto's was call drop out and in many many instances, the "INABILITY" to make and receive calls, very frustrating when you are trying to run a business, and yes I had taken into consideration geographic conditions and the coverage offered by all networks. The Moto menu's in my opinion also suck, don't ask why, they just f.cking did and still do. My stepdaughter has just got rid of her V3 for the same reasons I gave up on their predecessors, "POOR NETWORK PERFORMANCE", and has gone back to a Nokia (don't know what model) Not going to get involved in a long winded argument here, no white papers or spec sheets, pure and simple facts, based on my experience with Moto products, not piss talking it whilst downing a few sherbets at the local, the OP wanted a f.cking opinion, he got it, if you want to contest it, go for it. Just curious have you ever owned a Moto GSM? or used one for that matter? In a nutshell, I want a phone I can pick up and make/receive calls and that "PERFORMS" on any network, if it can't do that, then it aint worth a c.nt full of burnt snow, but that's just my opinion. Jc > Justin said.... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Hey, let's take the Motorola V3x that Telstra's pushing on a $20 plan, > nothing up front. In your view, why do you think that it's rubbish? What Because Motorola phones are sh.t > makes it a poor quality product? What can a potential buyer look at to Poor build and poor user interface > And no, I don't work for any mobile phone company. Who cares? > I personally own a Nokia 2280 CDMA phone which is two years old and > which is approaching the end of its servicable life. So, I too will be > in the market for a new phone in the next 12 months or so as they phase > out CDMA and phase in this new 3G service. Keep your 2280 for a bit longer > Throwaway lines like "Motonoklgsageicsson phones are rubbish. All my It IS a simple as that, when it comes to Motorola > If you think that a phone is a piece crap, tell us why. Or perhaps point Because the whole brand is, since GSM > us to somewhere that has reviews of the products. That's all. Do your own research this is a USENET FORUm YOU get to ask the question WE get to answer it > > Personal experience and an observation of others who have owned or used > > them.........they don't make good GSM phones, simple! > > Well, Motorola must be doing something right. It's been in the mobile > phone business longer than most and still enjoys healthy sales. See the other post "yeah its a cool looking, but sh.t phone" > Really, when you make claims like that, if you expect people to listen > to you, you need to be a bit more substantive than just merely > expressing your personal opinion. They are personal opinions of those that have years of experience in the telco industry. Since 97 onwards (at least), theyve made sh.t GSM phones > > Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would be > > many that wouldn't. > > And this is based on, what? Using, and selling, their crap phones. Seeing the number of returns on them compared to comparable models in the market. I'll never forget the "Poron pads" that needed to be installed on Motorola Jazz handsets >> > Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would be >> > many that wouldn't. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'll never forget the "Poron pads" that needed to be installed on Motorola > Jazz handsets Please remind me. > >> > Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would be > >> > many that wouldn't. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Please remind me. I knew a few people who owned Moto Jazzes. Then after a few months they started turning off. Sent 'em away for repair. came back "poron pad installed". Sure enough, good as new. What was the poron pad? A 1cm x 1cm piece of foam, installed to the inside of the battery cover, to make sure the battery didnt come loose! >> >> > Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would >> >> > be [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > What was the poron pad? A 1cm x 1cm piece of foam, installed to the inside > of the battery cover, to make sure the battery didnt come loose! Same with 5110s IIRC. A lot of people had a piece of card under the battery. > >> >> > Keep away from Motorola, some here may disagree, but there would > >> >> > be [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Same with 5110s IIRC. A lot of people had a piece of card under the battery. Yep. That used to work well :-) Noturyulo\ said.... >> inside >> of the battery cover, to make sure the battery didnt come loose! > > Same with 5110s IIRC. A lot of people had a piece of card under the > battery. Mine worked fine for years. The battery was always loose, but it never switched itself off. Even when I got one of those vibrating batteries (for vibe alert) it never failed to work properly. Only reason why I got rid of it was because I needed the better coverage that CDMA offers us. If it had predictive SMS input and was CDMA capable, I daresay that I would probably still be using it today. tell her it is a telephone and not a fashion accessory and give her a black one > My daughter wants a pink Motorola V3 for her birthday in a week or so. > However, I vaguely recall reading quite a few negative comments about this [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks, Peter > tell her it is a telephone and not a fashion accessory and give her a black > one I assume you don't have any teenage daughters, Blondie... Peter |
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