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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / October 2006The NEW 3G for "the bush" - Any news on its rollout?
Just been furrowing through Telstra's website. I've not been able to find any info on the advancement of its new 3G network for rural Australia. I also looked at what phones that Telstra has to offer. None of them appear to be compatible with the new network. Plenty of "normal" 3G phones, GSMs and CDMAs, though. I was wondering if any of you guys know anything about what's going on, or where I can look the info up. I'm stuffed if I can find anything. Thanks > Just been furrowing through Telstra's website. I've not been able to > find any info on the advancement of its new 3G network for rural [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Thanks Nothing is happening yet, apart from Orange shutting down it's CDMA network because of Te$stra's announcement. It will probably 2 or 3 years before the 850MHz 3G network gets going in regional areas if they even do. -- The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452 Simon Templar wrote: > It will probably 2 or 3 years before the 850MHz 3G network gets going in > regional areas if they even do. What makes you think that it may not get off the ground? My contract with Telstra has just expired. I'm considering what to do, phone-wise. There are a few new models on the market that look attractive. My current phone's battery is starting to die. So, do I spend say, $50 on a new battery, or get a new zero dollar phone for the same contract ($20/mth) or wait til the phone dies completely, then make a decision? If by then, there's still no sign of 3G getting off the ground, I'm not sure that I'd like to get another phone only to find out that its service life would be only 12 months or so.... >> It will probably 2 or 3 years before the 850MHz 3G network gets >> going in regional areas if they even do. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > There are a few new models on the market that look attractive. My > current phone's battery is starting to die. > So, do I spend say, $50 on a new battery, Yep, only thing that makes any sense currently. > or get a new zero dollar phone for the same contract ($20/mth) Stupid waste of money with the doubts about CDMA's future. > or wait til the phone dies completely, then make a decision? Really depends on how much you care about reliability. > If by then, there's still no sign of 3G getting off the ground, > I'm not sure that I'd like to get another phone only to find > out that its service life would be only 12 months or so.... Sure, but a new battery does make sense. 1> Grab a battery via ebay. $50 too much for any battery.. 2> Never buy a phone (or technology) for the future...buy it for "now". >>> It will probably 2 or 3 years before the 850MHz 3G network gets >>> going in regional areas if they even do. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Sure, but a new battery does make sense. alx wrote: > Grab a battery via ebay. $50 too much for any battery.. Will do a search. > Never buy a phone (or technology) for the future...buy it for "now". It's not so much as "technology for the future" but rather "future proofing" it. If I did get a new phone, I'd want to get at least the contract term out of it if I bought a "zero dollar" phone. I've noticed Telstra ads for CDMA products saying that "the CDMA network will end in 2008". I'm wondering what people who do buy new CDMAs now or even up to 12 months away will do when their phone contract still has a year to run when the CDMA network closes down. I wonder what Telstra will offer them. >> Grab a battery via ebay. $50 too much for any battery.. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > or even up to 12 months away will do when their phone contract still > has a year to run when the CDMA network closes down. Its unlikely that even telstra will be stupid enough to offer contracts that extend past the time they plan to turn it off. > I wonder what Telstra will offer them. f.ck all, I bet. >>> Grab a battery via ebay. $50 too much for any battery.. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Its unlikely that even telstra will be stupid enough to offer > contracts that extend past the time they plan to turn it off. I have seen flyers for 24 mth contracts on CDMA with the * at the end of it which went on to say that the netowrk will be closed during 2008. I guess if it is at least mid 2008 then the 24 mth period of the contract would have been covered. Like you said, even telstra couldnt be that stupid.... or.. :) Tony said.... >>> noticed Telstra ads for CDMA products saying that "the CDMA network >>> will end in 2008". I'm wondering what people who do buy new CDMAs now [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I have seen flyers for 24 mth contracts on CDMA with the * at the end of > it which went on to say that the netowrk will be closed during 2008. I And that's why the question prompted me to post here. Telstra IS offering 24 mth contracts on CDMA. It'll be interesting to see if it is still offering them 12 months from now. Of course, if the new 3G network hasn't gotten off the ground, or is only partially commissioned, or that there aren't any phones available for the service, then that'll be interesting to watch, too. > Tony said.... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > offering 24 mth contracts on CDMA. It'll be interesting to see if it is > still offering them 12 months from now. Go the new phone > Of course, if the new 3G network hasn't gotten off the ground, or is > only partially commissioned, or that there aren't any phones available > for the service, then that'll be interesting to watch, too. > >> Grab a battery via ebay. $50 too much for any battery.. > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Its unlikely that even telstra will be stupid enough to offer > contracts that extend past the time they plan to turn it off. The contracts will be offered, because you are only agreeing to "stay connected to Telstra for 24 mths". The choice of technology is Telstra's. > > I wonder what Telstra will offer them. > > f.ck all, I bet. You'd be surprised. It looks good so far >>>> Grab a battery via ebay. $50 too much for any battery.. >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> Its unlikely that even telstra will be stupid enough to offer >> contracts that extend past the time they plan to turn it off. > The contracts will be offered, because you are only > agreeing to "stay connected to Telstra for 24 mths". Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a f.cking clue about even the most basic consumer law. > The choice of technology is Telstra's. Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a f.cking clue about even the most basic consumer law. >>> I wonder what Telstra will offer them. >> f.ck all, I bet. > You'd be surprised. Nope. > It looks good so far You need to get your head out of that dunny, child. > > Grab a battery via ebay. $50 too much for any battery.. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > when the CDMA network closes down. I wonder what Telstra will offer > them. Just wait until next month and you will find out <snip> >Just wait until next month and you will find out No, Michael, why don't you tell us now? What have you overheard the executives talking about while you've been scrubbing the stalls? > <snip> > > > >Just wait until next month and you will find out > > No, Michael, why don't you tell us now? What have you overheard the > executives talking about while you've been scrubbing the stalls? You can wait and see when the first offer is released >> <snip> >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You can wait and see when the first offer is released www.ellisconversions.com "You can wait and see when the first offer is released" def:- I dont have a clue myself. > >> <snip> > >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "You can wait and see when the first offer is released" > def:- I dont have a clue myself. You dont need any additional info at this stage >> >> <snip> >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >You dont need any additional info at this stage "You dont need any additional info at this stage"...!!! What's with the high and mighty attitude? What's your real role at Telstra, Michael? You're either above customer service/can't be a CSR as they're only privy to info the week of release and you imply you have that info, or are bluffing & that's all you are - on the frontline... I have no beef with you Michael (though admit I've played the dunny-cleaner "card" in the past, but only in an attempt to see your "hand") - if you're posting anonymously & feel safe enough to forego any secrecy agreements you've signed to, why not fill us in? Isn't that what newsgroups are all about? Sharing info... > "You dont need any additional info at this stage"...!!! What's with > the high and mighty attitude? What's your real role at Telstra, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > any secrecy agreements you've signed to, why not fill us in? Isn't > that what newsgroups are all about? Sharing info... I reckon his job is suck Sol off. At the very least he bends over for him. -- The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452 Runs jumpers on the Lonsdale St frames >> "You dont need any additional info at this stage"...!!! What's with >> the high and mighty attitude? What's your real role at Telstra, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. > http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Michael? You're either above customer service/can't be a CSR as > they're only privy to info the week of release and you imply you have They often dont get the info until the day before or even after > any secrecy agreements you've signed to, why not fill us in? Isn't > that what newsgroups are all about? Sharing info... My comments are general information gleaned from public places. All comments, are, and have always been, of a personal nature only. Exact date "next month" Michael? >> > Grab a battery via ebay. $50 too much for any battery.. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Just wait until next month and you will find out Intel said.... > Exact date "next month" Michael? I wonder if it's the same as this pub that I used to frequent. For a while it had a sign over the bar; "free beer tomorrow". Tomorrow comes and people still have to pay for it. The sign is still over the bar. The bartender's comeback to queries, "tomorrow never comes." Anyway, two local Telstra dealers advise me that the new 3G won't be in service til at least Sept/Oct, and about then for the new phones. Other than that, it was all that they could tell me. Nothing on new phones, etc., either. I hope that whatever it is that they release will be useful to me. I wonder if they'll, (say, Nokia) will release a combined 3G/CDMA unit, so that it will swap between the two networks before CDMA's closed down, like they did with AMPS/CDMA. I'd like to see one with I/R, Bluetooth, decent size color screen that I can read (my Nokia 2280 has easily read text) and is a flip-phone. A suitable car kit would be nice too, but I s'pose that for the one or two times a week that I would use it in the car, one of those Blueant Supertooth handsfree units will suffice. Emjaye T <emjaye_t@yarwho.com.au> may have written: > I hope that whatever it is that they release will be useful to me. I > wonder if they'll, (say, Nokia) will release a combined 3G/CDMA unit, > so that it will swap between the two networks before CDMA's closed > down, like they did with AMPS/CDMA. Incredibly unlikely IMHO. AMPS -> CDMA IS-95 was a logical upgrade path that many carriers in the US went with. GSM -> UMTS is a logical upgrade path that many carriers are going with. CDMA2000 -> UMTS is moving between competing standards so you're unlikely to see a handset that supports both, just like there's not many (one I think?) handsets that do GSM and CDMA. Also, Nokia have recently announced they won't be manufacturing anymore CDMA2000 phones. PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ Are we the only country going with the selected UMTS? If so I'm wondering if Nokia will bother developing handsets for a small market. Might have to back to a pigeon. > Emjaye T <emjaye_t@yarwho.com.au> may have written: >> I hope that whatever it is that they release will be useful to me. I [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > PD > Are we the only country going with the selected UMTS? The yanks are in theory going to have it too. > If so I'm wondering if Nokia will bother developing handsets for a small market. Sounds unlikely. > Might have to back to a pigeon. Or stick with GSM. >> Emjaye T <emjaye_t@yarwho.com.au> may have written: >>> I hope that whatever it is that they release will be useful to me. I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> Paul Day >> Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> may have written: > > Might have to back to a pigeon. > > Or stick with GSM. Unless he wants equiv. CDMA coverage? My Telstra CDMA phone often gets a signal where my Telstra GSM doesn't when I'm out bush. :) PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> may have written: > > > Might have to back to a pigeon. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Unless he wants equiv. CDMA coverage? My Telstra CDMA phone often gets a > signal where my Telstra GSM doesn't when I'm out bush. :) Yeah, but there are lots of CDMA customers on prepaid, presumably they are on prepaid just because its prepaid, nothing to do with the coverage >> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> may have written: >> > > Might have to back to a pigeon. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yeah, but there are lots of CDMA customers on prepaid, presumably they are > on prepaid just because its prepaid, nothing to do with the coverage Even you ought to know better than that. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Michael wrote: > Yeah, but there are lots of CDMA customers on prepaid, presumably they > are on prepaid just because its prepaid, nothing to do with the coverage You're presuming a lot there. It may well be that coverage is why CDMA is chosen. Pre-paid may well be purely for economical reasons, versus a post-paid CDMA. Unless you conduct a survey of ALL CDMA customers, you'll never really know. Paul Day wrote: > Unless he wants equiv. CDMA coverage? My Telstra CDMA phone often gets a > signal where my Telstra GSM doesn't when I'm out bush. :) Mine always does. I've yet to find an area in rural Victoria and parts of SE NSW where I travel (a qualifier in case there ARE areas where GSM's better that I've not been to) that GSM has better coverage than CDMA. Intel Inside <Intel_Inside@thespamfactory.com> may have written: > Are we the only country going with the selected UMTS? Nope, AT&T/Cingular (the largest GSM network in the US?) are also deploying it because they have lots of 850MHz bandwidth - and of course because 850MHz is suitable for low-density areas like the western half of the US. AT&T had already begun rolling out normal UMTS (1700/2100MHz?) in a few cities before the merge. > If so I'm wondering if Nokia will bother developing handsets for a > small market. Might have to back to a pigeon. Because it's just a different frequency, I'd say most definitely. THey already have multiple flavours of their handsets to cover non-standard US frequency usage: 1900 and 850MHz. I'd say we'll soon see handsets that do: - 850 and 1700/2100MHz UMTS - 850, 900, 1800, 1900MHz GSM That would cover pretty much the whole world WRT GSM/UMTS. The other UMTS bands are: 2600, 2100, 1900, 1800, 1700, 900, 800MHz. But I don't think anyone has plans to deploy to those frequency ranges? PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ > Intel said.... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and people still have to pay for it. The sign is still over the bar. The > bartender's comeback to queries, "tomorrow never comes." Im referring to migration offers, which are not necessarily 3G 850 offers. You are missing the point. CDMA IS CLOSING, not that 3G 850 is opening >> Intel said.... >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You are missing the point. CDMA IS CLOSING, not that 3G 850 is opening Given the Subject line of this thread, it seems to me that it isn't Emjaye T who is missing the point. Telstra themselves have said that they won't be shutting down CDMA until 3G 850 is operational. It's interesting that Telstra dealers have reported increased CDMA sales since Telstra announced the pending closure, and stopped selling CDMA themselves. Graeme Willox <graemewillox@aapt.net.au> may have written: > Telstra themselves have said that they won't be shutting down CDMA > until 3G 850 is operational. Telstra says a lot of things though. :) Doesn't neccesarily mean it'll happen that way though. > It's interesting that Telstra dealers have reported increased CDMA > sales since Telstra announced the pending closure, and stopped selling > CDMA themselves. According to what Telstra said at the last Senate Estimate they appeared at (without Sol - just for somethign different), Telstra's still selling CDMA just as strong as ever. ;) Interesting that you don't seem to see _any_ CDMA in the shops anymore. PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ Graeme Willox wrote: > Telstra themselves have said that they won't be shutting down CDMA until > 3G 850 is operational. It's been mentioned that both services will run concurrently til 3G coverage is as good or better than existing CDMA. > It's interesting that Telstra dealers have reported increased CDMA sales > since Telstra announced the pending closure, and stopped selling CDMA > themselves. Eh? Michael wrote: > You are missing the point. CDMA IS CLOSING, not that 3G 850 is opening No we're not. It was a dig at you for making a mysterious claim about what may be occuring "next month". > > You are missing the point. CDMA IS CLOSING, not that 3G 850 is opening > > No we're not. It was a dig at you for making a mysterious claim about > what may be occuring "next month". A dig? Didnt seem like a dig, you might want to be a bit clearer next time. But thanks for trying Michael <michael@yahoo.com> may have written: > Im referring to migration offers, which are not necessarily 3G 850 offers. > > You are missing the point. CDMA IS CLOSING, not that 3G 850 is opening But haven't Telstra told _two_ Senate Estimates hearings that CDMA "will not close" until the 850MHz UMTS coverage is equal to or better than CDMA? They've even been questioned specifically about that point, considering Telstra seem committed to have CDMA shut by Q2 2008 and there are questions about what will happen if 850MHz UMTS _doesn't_ meet its footprint by then. PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ > > Intel said.... > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You are missing the point. CDMA IS CLOSING, not that 3G 850 is opening So your telling us that telstra want to migrate customers (in the city who have current 3G coverage) off CDMA and onto 2100mhtz 3G, only to turn around and effectively force them to buy a new phone within a year!?!?!? Might make telstra a fair bit of coin, but doesn't make ANY sense from a customers' prospective. Most people (>90% ?) who have CDMA in the cities have them because they go out bush regurarly. Business customers especially. So Telstra are deliberately planning to rip them off by "migrating" them now, only for them to discover no coverage on their next trip out bush and come back very angry. Telstra's dispute resolution for this? Sell them YET ANOTHER phone! Then when 850mhtz comes on board, sell them a 3rd phone when the 2nd one they bought no longer works. Telstra's effectively blackmailing their current CDMA customers by stealth with that approach. Senator Coonan should come read this thread, then have words with telstra's CEO on the effect their new fangled sales technique will have on her ability to get re-elected. Jason jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au may have written: > Senator Coonan should come read this thread, then have words with > telstra's CEO on the effect their new fangled sales technique will > have on her ability to get re-elected. For that to happen, Sol would have to leave his ranch in the US and actually rock up to a government meeting for once. Wouldn't bet the house on that happenning any time soon. PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ > > > Intel said.... > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > who have current 3G coverage) off CDMA and onto 2100mhtz 3G, only to > turn around and effectively force them to buy a new phone within a Nope, nothing of the sort > year!?!?!? Might make telstra a fair bit of coin, but doesn't make ANY > sense from a customers' prospective. Think of the other alternatives > Most people (>90% ?) who have CDMA in the cities have them because they > go out bush regurarly. Business customers especially. So Telstra are Nope, that is not why 90% of Telstra city CDMA customers chose CDMA > deliberately planning to rip them off by "migrating" them now, only for > them to discover no coverage on their next trip out bush and come back > very angry. Nothing of the sort > Senator Coonan should come read this thread, then have words with > telstra's CEO on the effect their new fangled sales technique will have > on her ability to get re-elected. Barking right up the wrong tree, you are. >> 2008". I'm wondering what people who do buy new CDMAs now or even up to >> 12 months away will do when their phone contract still has a year to >> run when the CDMA network closes down. I wonder what Telstra will offer >> them. > > Just wait until next month and you will find out Well, "next month" has come and gone and we're still no wiser as to what we can expect from this new service. This is both in terms of Telstra mobile plans and what phones will be available. Since discussing this issue both my phone and my wife's phone are now out of contract. Hers is playing up, both with a stuffed battery and now with reception problems (breaking up during conversations, etc). Mine's still OK, but it could do with a new battery too. So, Michael, if you do know anything, you can send me a private email (just edit the obvious in the address). I promise that I won't tell anyone... > So, Michael, if you do know anything, Only what he overhears in the dunnies while he's cleaning, and whatever he finds while kneeling under sol's desk.... > Well, "next month" has come and gone and we're still no wiser as to what > we can expect from this new service. This is both in terms of Telstra > mobile plans and what phones will be available. You obviously haven't been to the Telstra website then. They have 3G plans, phones and coverage listed. jb >> Well, "next month" has come and gone and we're still no wiser >> as to what we can expect from this new service. This is both [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You obviously haven't been to the Telstra website then. They > have 3G plans, phones and coverage listed. I didn't see any "3GSM850" phones listed, only 2100 MHz UMTS ones. It's 850 MHz UMTS stuff that's supposed suitable for CDMA "bush" replacement. John > You obviously haven't been to the Telstra website then. They have 3G plans, > phones and coverage listed. It's pretty clear that's not what he's referring to, given the title of the thread is 'The NEW 3G for "the bush"'. ie, 850MHz 3G CDMA 1x replacement. PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ Ever heard of 850MHz 3G implementation? >> Well, "next month" has come and gone and we're still no wiser as to what >> we can expect from this new service. This is both in terms of Telstra [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > jb jb said.... > You obviously haven't been to the Telstra website then. They have 3G > plans, phones and coverage listed. That's true for existing 3G services. There is no information on the new proposed 850 Mhz 3G service, nor are there any new model phones that I can find. Certainly, Nokia Australia doesn't have anything listed. Of course, if you know better, I'd appreciate some links to the info. Thanks "can send me a private email" So much for the concept of a 'newsgroup'. >>> 2008". I'm wondering what people who do buy new CDMAs now or even up to >>> 12 months away will do when their phone contract still has a year to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > (just edit the obvious in the address). I promise that I won't tell > anyone... Intel said.... > "can send me a private email" > So much for the concept of a 'newsgroup'. I'm giving him the opportunity of sending me a note in private, if he so wishes, regarding the rollout of the new 3G services. It's up to him whether he wishes to trust me to keep whatever news he has on the issue confidential or not. I would, but that's up to him to decide. Thing is, Michael said that "next month" would reveal all, with "next month" presumably July 06, given that his note was posted in June. Whatever, a Telstra tech (contractor, actually) that we know said that the hardware is in place and is ready to be switched on. It's up to management to decide when. I s'pose that there's no point if no-one's producing any phones for the service just yet. > Whatever, a Telstra tech (contractor, actually) that we know said that > the hardware is in place and is ready to be switched on. It's up to > management to decide when. I s'pose that there's no point if no-one's > producing any phones for the service just yet. Aren't they? PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ Paul Day wrote: >> management to decide when. I s'pose that there's no point if no-one's >> producing any phones for the service just yet. > > Aren't they? If you know better, I'd love to see what's available. Got any links? > >> management to decide when. I s'pose that there's no point if > >> no-one's producing any phones for the service just yet. > > > > Aren't they? > > If you know better, I'd love to see what's available. Got any links? LG CU500, Samsung ZX10? Google... PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ > > >> management to decide when. I s'pose that there's no point if > > >> no-one's producing any phones for the service just yet. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > LG CU500, Samsung ZX10? Google... Neither of which do UMTS 2100, yet... (yes, i'm picky :) ) To my knowledge, there is only one phone that does UMTS 850 & 2100, and that's an HTC smatphone, worth about AU$1400... (O2 & i-mate have it) Paul Day wrote: >> If you know better, I'd love to see what's available. Got any links? > > LG CU500, Samsung ZX10? Google... These phones don't appear to be available here in Australia. So, I ask again, do you know what's available here for our upcoming 850 Mhz 3G network? Thanks > > LG CU500, Samsung ZX10? Google... > > These phones don't appear to be available here in Australia. So, I ask > again, do you know what's available here for our upcoming 850 Mhz 3G > network? Nope, that's not what you asked. ;) You said: "I s'pose that there's no point if no-one's producing any phones for the service just yet." and "If you know better, I'd love to see what's available. Got any links?" There are people producing handsets for an 850MHz UMTS service. ;) As for what Telstra themselves will offer here in Australia, no idea sorry. PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ > Intel said.... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > whether he wishes to trust me to keep whatever news he has on the issue > confidential or not. I would, but that's up to him to decide. Unfortunately I cant give anything away > Thing is, Michael said that "next month" would reveal all, with "next > month" presumably July 06, given that his note was posted in June. The CDMA prepaid migration offers are already out there and in process of being mailed to customers. Ive received mine, ordered two phones in fact > Whatever, a Telstra tech (contractor, actually) that we know said that > the hardware is in place and is ready to be switched on. It's up to > management to decide when. I s'pose that there's no point if no-one's > producing any phones for the service just yet. The phones are already known and plans being developed Michael wrote: > Unfortunately I cant give anything away > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of being mailed to customers. Ive received mine, ordered two phones in > fact Wow. You can't give anything away, yet customers are already receiving "offers". Methinks that you're bullshitting. Which is not surprising, really. >> Unfortunately I cant give anything away >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "offers". Methinks that you're bullshitting. Which is not surprising, > really. As per the above, the CDMA prepaid migration offers are already public knowledge (www.telstra.com/cdmaupgrade), so I can talk about them The CDMA => 3G postpaid offers might not yet be public knowledge so I'm not talking about them > As per the above, the CDMA prepaid migration offers are already public > knowledge (www.telstra.com/cdmaupgrade), so I can talk about them File Not Found > The CDMA => 3G postpaid offers might not yet be public knowledge so I'm not > talking about them Are you talking upgrades from CDMA to a new _850Mhz UMTS-capable_ handset? PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ >> As per the above, the CDMA prepaid migration offers are already public >> knowledge (www.telstra.com/cdmaupgrade), so I can talk about them > > File Not Found Try .au on that, being http://www.telstra.com.au/cdmaupgrade/index.html >> The CDMA => 3G postpaid offers might not yet be public knowledge so I'm >> not >> talking about them > > Are you talking upgrades from CDMA to a new _850Mhz UMTS-capable_ > handset? Yes The launch date is already known, and its not too far off > Paul Day <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote >>> As per the above, the CDMA prepaid migration offers are already public >>> knowledge (www.telstra.com/cdmaupgrade), so I can talk about them >> File Not Found > Try .au on that, being > http://www.telstra.com.au/cdmaupgrade/index.html I'd have you publicly flogged if you hadnt enjoyed that so much the last time. >>> The CDMA => 3G postpaid offers might not yet be public knowledge so I'm not >>> talking about them >> Are you talking upgrades from CDMA to a new _850Mhz UMTS-capable_ handset? > Yes Nope, the above clearly isnt. > The launch date is already known, and its not too far off Presumably it will fly like the proverbial lead balloon. > The launch date is already known, and its not too far off The "known date" being July according to your "next month" post back in June? ;) PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ >> The launch date is already known, and its not too far off > > The "known date" being July according to your "next month" post back in > June? ;) No, that was referring to CDMA migration offers Paul Day wrote: >> The launch date is already known, and its not too far off > > The "known date" being July according to your "next month" post back in > June? ;) Do I hear the sounds of squirming somewhere out there in "michaelland"? Paul said.... > Are you talking upgrades from CDMA to a new _850Mhz UMTS-capable_ > handset? I don't think that he knows what he's talking about. He seems to have this huge problem comprehending the fact that we're talking about the yet to be opened 3G service that is to replace the existing CDMA service. For some weird reason, he is fixated on the existing services, whether they be GSM/2G or 3G (2100Mhz). He made this bullshit claim nearly 2 months ago that we'll be hearing news of the new service (I quoted it back to him in another note), so I asked him what the go was. He then went off at a tangent rabbiting about existing services. All those mobiles that he supposedly uses must have fried his brain or something. > Paul said.... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > He made this bullshit claim nearly 2 months ago that we'll be hearing > news of the new service (I quoted it back to him in another note), so I Youve heard plenty about the new services already, and you will hear more shortly Michael wrote: >> He made this bullshit claim nearly 2 months ago that we'll be hearing >> news of the new service (I quoted it back to him in another note), so I > > Youve heard plenty about the new services already, and you will hear > more shortly You said that 2 months ago, that by now we'd be hearing "more". Well, two months on, and we have not heard "more". In fact, the local Telstra dealers (we have a few around here) keep pushing the opening date out and out. So, they either are as much out of the loop as the Telstra customers, or that they're getting correct info, and Telstra is pushing the date out. Whatever, the end result is the same - those who are in the same boat as myself who need to get new phones, are being advised to hold out for a little longer. My beef with you is that you made a specific statement. It hasn't eventuated, and you go on about irrelevant migration offers. >>> He made this bullshit claim nearly 2 months ago that we'll be hearing >>> news of the new service (I quoted it back to him in another note), so I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You said that 2 months ago, that by now we'd be hearing "more". Well, > two months on, and we have not heard "more". In fact, the local Telstra Ive heard plenty. I've already got 4 new phones > dealers (we have a few around here) keep pushing the opening date out > and out. So, they either are as much out of the loop as the Telstra The dealers have not been given the opening date, so if they are "pushing the date out and out", then they are just making up bullshit > Whatever, the end result is the same - those who are in the same boat as > myself who need to get new phones, are being advised to hold out for a > little longer. You arent being asked to hold out for anything. A new 3G 850 network is coming. When it is ready, it will be announced. Do you never buy a new phone because Nokia is always bring out a new model "any time soon". If you wait for the perfect phone, you will be waiting forever > My beef with you is that you made a specific statement. It hasn't > eventuated, and you go on about irrelevant migration offers. So irrelevant that they were so popular that I had to wait 10 days for the first phone? >>>> He made this bullshit claim nearly 2 months ago that we'll be hearing >>>> news of the new service (I quoted it back to him in another note), so I [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > So irrelevant that they were so popular that I had to wait 10 days for the > first phone? Notice how he does not address the real issues Emjaye?. - No mention of not meeting his own "2 month" timeframe Intel Inside wrote: > Notice how he does not address the real issues Emjaye?. > - No mention of not meeting his own "2 month" timeframe Yeah, it sticks out like dogs' balls. Pity that he won't tell us what these "4 new phones" that he got for his "migration" was. Whatever, I think that we've been conned. He's obviously a troll and we bit. >> Notice how he does not address the real issues Emjaye?. >> - No mention of not meeting his own "2 month" timeframe [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Pity that he won't tell us what these "4 new phones" that he got for his > "migration" was. two motorola L6 and two sagem as per the website quoted www.telstra.com.au/cdmaupgrade > Whatever, I think that we've been conned. He's obviously a troll and we > bit. Michael... sh.t phones... and you need four sh.t phones? >>> Notice how he does not address the real issues Emjaye?. >>> - No mention of not meeting his own "2 month" timeframe [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> Whatever, I think that we've been conned. He's obviously a troll and we >> bit. It suits him - hes full of it, atleast in this ng > Michael... sh.t phones... and you need four sh.t phones? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> Whatever, I think that we've been conned. He's obviously a troll and we >>> bit. > Michael... sh.t phones... and you need four sh.t phones? The L6 was $99 and the Sagem's were free. Sounds like a good deal to me >>>> Notice how he does not address the real issues Emjaye?. >>>> - No mention of not meeting his own "2 month" timeframe [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>> Whatever, I think that we've been conned. He's obviously a troll and we >>> bit. Michael said.... >> Pity that he won't tell us what these "4 new phones" that he got for >> his "migration" was. > > two motorola L6 and two sagem Trust you to pick two phones which have bugger all detail with respect to "technical specifications" on their respective websites. They appear to be GSM phones, going by what info that there is. > Michael said.... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > They appear to be GSM phones, going by what info that there is. <laugh> >> Michael said.... >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > <laugh> Rather than 'laughing' you should be providing a reference because Emjaye has admitted difficulties in finding technical information about those phones. Or are you that imprerceptive?. Lift your game Michael > Rather than 'laughing' you should be providing a reference because Emjaye > has admitted difficulties in finding technical information about those > phones. Or are you that imprerceptive?. > Lift your game Michael Don't bother, Ellis has been pretending he knows more than he does for years. The phones are obviously gsm phones, this so-called migration to GSM 3G is being promoted to all telstra's cdma customers, probably part of its attempt to divest itself of current cdma customers to lighten the load on the network before they knock it over. SFA to do with 3G/850/WCDMA handsets. Treat everything he says as bullshit and save yourself the trouble. Are you saying his name is Michael "Ellis"?. >> Rather than 'laughing' you should be providing a reference because Emjaye >> has admitted difficulties in finding technical information about those [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Treat everything he says as bullshit and save yourself the trouble. Alice wrote: > years. The phones are obviously gsm phones, this so-called migration to > GSM 3G is being promoted to all telstra's cdma customers, probably part > of its attempt to divest itself of current cdma customers to lighten the > load on the network before they knock it over. I'd probably consider getting a GSM phone except that while 90% of my time is spent in GSM covered areas (very little of which has 3G), there is still that 10% that it doesn't cover where there is often CDMA (but not always). So, when I saw my daughter's 3G service (3 Mobile) and how spiffy it looked, I thought that this would be my next gadget. This is despite me saying for years that all I've ever needed was a basic phone service with a phone that provided basic features inc. predictive SMS. It's amazing how pretty pictures and gadgetry can suck you in. Of course, in my case, this is tempered by price. If it's gonna cost an arm and a leg to use, then I'll stick with whatever's the cheapest service. My daughter and son-in-law are with 3. It has a $30 cap. Telstra's closest plan is a $50 one. I don't wish to spend $25 a month more than I do now, but a $30 capped plan would've been acceptable (a $25 one even nicer). However, it remains to be seen what sort of plans that Telstra will offer its customers on the new 3G service, and if competing retailers will offer access to it, or be allowed to offer competing services on it. Speaking of the existing 3G service, it currently extends in the SE region of Melbourne out as far as Narre-Warren/Berwick. Does anyone here know (yes, even you Michael) if Telstra has any plans to extend it further, say to Pakenham? It's an area that is experiencing phenomenal growth at the moment. So, it should be ripe for the picking, I would think. > Alice wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > growth at the moment. So, it should be ripe for the picking, I would > think. Why would Telstra add more 3GSM 2100 cells out to Pakenham and beyond when the 3GSM 850 coverage will have that area fully covered when it's activated next month? You have to remember that the 3GSM 850 band will become Telstra's PRIMARY 3G service band whilst the shared 2100 band with Hutchison will have lower priority. Emjaye, all indications are that the 3G850 switch will be flicked on early next month so include this in your considerations. Once it is working I'd expect handset makers such as Motorola to include the 850 band in their multi-band units very soon afterwards. >> years. The phones are obviously gsm phones, this so-called migration to >> GSM 3G is being promoted to all telstra's cdma customers, probably part [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > growth at the moment. So, it should be ripe for the picking, I would > think. > all indications are that the 3G850 switch will be flicked on early next month so include this in > your considerations. > Once it is working I'd expect handset makers such as Motorola to > include the 850 band in their multi-band units very soon afterwards. Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland. We dont amount to a hill of beans to them. >>> years. The phones are obviously gsm phones, this so-called >>> migration to GSM 3G is being promoted to all telstra's cdma [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> phenomenal growth at the moment. So, it should be ripe for the >> picking, I would think. Intel Inside wrote: > Emjaye, > all indications are that the 3G850 switch will be flicked on early next > month so include this in your considerations. > Once it is working I'd expect handset makers such as Motorola to include > the 850 band in their multi-band units very soon afterwards. Been reviewing the past posts on this subject. Thought that I'd comment on this. I've been in contact with Nokia with regards to the new network and asked if it was producing phones for it. I got the runaround and evasive answers. In short, they wouldn't tell me what their plans were. Fair enough, I s'pose. Nokia always was a trailer in this industry. It took at least 18 months before it produced a CDMA phone, while LG and Ericsson had two models out (I bought an LG at the time). Presumably, history will repeat itself and Nokia will take ages to release a NextG model. > Presumably, history will repeat itself and Nokia will take ages to release a NextG > model. Well it already has - LG have a model at launch, whilst Nokia/SE are nowhere to be seen. Just like at the launch of 3G 2100mhtz by 3 (4 years ago?) they will be forced to jump on the bandwagon eventually. If you recall back then, LG was one of the handset makers out with a phone for 3 - Nokia and SE didn't bother until much later. Nokia/SE don't innovate, only follow. Bit like Telstra itself really. > Emjaye wrote >> Presumably, history will repeat itself and Nokia >> will take ages to release a NextG model. > Well it already has - LG have a model at launch, whilst Nokia/SE are > nowhere to be seen. Just like at the launch of 3G 2100mhtz by 3 (4 > years ago?) they will be forced to jump on the bandwagon eventually. > If you recall back then, LG was one of the handset makers out with a > phone for 3 - Nokia and SE didn't bother until much later. > Nokia/SE don't innovate, only follow. Pig ignorant drivel. > Bit like Telstra itself really. Mindless silly stuff, most obviously with NextG. > Nokia/SE don't innovate, only follow. Absolute tommyrot, fool. There are plenty of examples where both (notably Nokia) have produced handsets etc with features long before upstarts like LG. >> Nokia/SE don't innovate, only follow. > > Absolute tommyrot, fool. There are plenty of examples where both (notably > Nokia) have produced handsets etc with features long before upstarts like > LG. They arent as cutting-edge as they once were. Also their plethora of similar, confusing models is absolutely ridiculous > Alice <e@shitanddie.com> wrote >>> Nokia/SE don't innovate, only follow. >> Absolute tommyrot, fool. There are plenty of examples where both >> (notably Nokia) have produced handsets etc with features long before >> upstarts like LG. > They arent as cutting-edge as they once were. Dunno, that's arguable. > Also their plethora of similar, confusing models is absolutely ridiculous And their weirdys too. >> Alice <e@shitanddie.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Dunno, that's arguable. With you, anything's arguable ;-) It used to be that ONLY Nokia had the good phones. Now you have SonyEricsson and even Samsung, hey? >> Also their plethora of similar, confusing models is absolutely ridiculous > > And their weirdys too. Yep Alice wrote: >> Nokia/SE don't innovate, only follow. > > Absolute tommyrot, fool. There are plenty of examples where both > (notably Nokia) have produced handsets etc with features long before > upstarts like LG. He's right. Nokia always seems to be the last out with anything. But when it does it is usually something that's better than what's out there. > He's right. Nokia always seems to be the last out with anything. But > when it does it is usually something that's better than what's out > there. Have Nokia picked up their game on software lately? They used to be unbeatable for software stability and reliability, but after the sh.t I went through with my 6230 playing up I jumped ship. Just wondering if things have improved :) Albinus said.... > Have Nokia picked up their game on software lately? They used to be Do you mean the PC Suite or the phones' firmware/software? The PC Suite isn't all that flash. I had problems with the install, initially. Couldn't get it to recognise the phone (Nokia 2280), even though I had a geniune Nokia cable. After an uninstall, reinstall of drivers, software etc. I finally got it to work. I was disappointed in the lack of functionality of a lot of the features, though. No control of say, SMS'ing via the PC, which the original Data Suite that I had with a Nokia 5110 a few years back excelled at. > Do you mean the PC Suite or the phones' firmware/software? The latter. Several times a day it would power cycle itself, or freeze for no apparent reason. Firmware update helped to reduce the incidence, but it was still several times a week. Since switching to a Samsung seven months ago I haven't had a single software glitch detectable. > Albinus wrote >> Have Nokia picked up their game on software lately? They used to be > Do you mean the PC Suite or the phones' firmware/software? > The PC Suite isn't all that flash. I had problems with the install, > initially. Couldn't get it to recognise the phone (Nokia 2280), > even though I had a geniune Nokia cable. After an uninstall, > reinstall of drivers, software etc. I finally got it to work. That happens with every single thing you touch. Even Nokia cant do anything about that problem. > I was disappointed in the lack of functionality of a lot > of the features, though. No control of say, SMS'ing > via the PC, which the original Data Suite that I had > with a Nokia 5110 a few years back excelled at. You dont need Data Suite for that, stupid. > enough, I s'pose. Nokia always was a trailer in this industry. It took > at least 18 months before it produced a CDMA phone, while LG and > Ericsson had two models out (I bought an LG at the time). Presumably, > history will repeat itself and Nokia will take ages to release a NextG > model. Nokia has announced only one HDSPA model, the N95, and it won't be available at 850MHz at launch. It launches in March 2007 for 2100MHz HSDPA networks, with the 850MHz model to follow in the months after. (i.e. don't expect it in the first half of the year) Michael wrote: >> My beef with you is that you made a specific statement. It hasn't >> eventuated, and you go on about irrelevant migration offers. > > So irrelevant that they were so popular that I had to wait 10 days for > the first phone? Yes, irrelevant. What you're talking about has fuckall to do with the new 3G service. Michael wrote: > As per the above, the CDMA prepaid migration offers are already public > knowledge (www.telstra.com/cdmaupgrade), so I can talk about them http://telstra.com/tcomb/404.asp is what I get when I try to plug that url of yours into my browser. Anyway, I punched in .au after telstra.com and found what appears to be a CDMA upgrde service. However, a brief read says this: "If you're a Pre-Paid Plus customer, you can upgrade to a new 2G handset on the GSM network. If you're on a Plan, you'll be able to take full advantage of your phone's 3G features on the 3G network." The 3G mentioned appears to be the existing 3G network, not the new 850 Mhz service that is to replace CDMA, and which I'm refering to (as is the subject title of this thread). Care to try again? [1} [1] Really, Michael, if you know only as much as the rest of us regarding the new services, available phones, etc. it won't hurt to admit it. But then, I suppose that any "authority" that you perceive to have with regards to mobile phone services, and with Telstra in particular will be undermined by such an admission. You'd just be another punter on the newsgroup with an opinion. >> As per the above, the CDMA prepaid migration offers are already public >> knowledge (www.telstra.com/cdmaupgrade), so I can talk about them [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Care to try again? [1} Nope. Because I've told you what has already been launched, the CDMA prepaid migration offer. The CDMA post paid offers have not yet been released > [1] Really, Michael, if you know only as much as the rest of us > regarding the new services, available phones, etc. it won't hurt to > admit it. But then, I suppose that any "authority" that you perceive to > have with regards to mobile phone services, and with Telstra in > particular will be undermined by such an admission. You'd just be > another punter on the newsgroup with an opinion. Michael wrote: >> Care to try again? [1} > > Nope. Because I've told you what has already been launched, the CDMA > prepaid migration offer. And that's to the existing 3G service, not the new one, which is what we're trying to discuss here. > The CDMA post paid offers have not yet been released According to the above blurb, it does cover post-paid accounts. >>> Care to try again? [1} >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And that's to the existing 3G service, not the new one, which is what > we're trying to discuss here. Nope. Let me spell it out to you. The important fact is that CDMA is closing, not that 3G 850 is opening. If CDMA wasnt closing 3G 850 wouldnt exist. See the link? Therefore, we are referring to the CDMA migration offers. Prepaid CDMA is targetting a migration to 2G GSM, NOT 3G (of any flavour) You can certainly take up 3G is you like, but the target for CDMA prepaid is 2G GSM prepaid. Hope you understand better now |
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