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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / August 2006"Auditors to watch (Telstra) 3G (coverage compared to CDMA)"
http://australianit.news.com.au/wireless/story/0,8256,5-20119796,00.html Auditors to watch 3G Chris Jenkins and Ben Woodhead August 14, 2006 TELSTRA's new national 3G network will be tested by auditors to see if it offers the same coverage as the CDMA network it is designed to replace. Communications Minister Senator Helen Coonan announced that the Australian Communications and Media Authority would be responsible for monitoring the new 850Mhz 3G network. ACMA would first establish benchmarks for CDMA coverage. "The audits will assess voice coverage of more than 80 sites across different states and topographies," Senator Coonan said. "The field testing will include city and regional centres, but mainly focus on the less well served rural, regional and remote areas." ACMA would be briefed on Telstra's CDMA mapping methodology and equivalence criteria to establish coverage benchmarks. Field testing would take place in the final quarter of the year, with a new assessment of the 3G network once installation had progressed further, A working group designed to ensure parity of coverage between the incoming and outgoing networks was established in February. Telstra chief executive Sol Trujillo said last week that the $1 billion, 850Mhz 3G network was on track to launch early in 2007, saying customers would be able to download at speeds of up to 3.6Mbps per second. The demise of the CDMA network, which itself was designed as a replacement for the analogue AMPS network in the bush, has been a key concern for rural mobile users, worried that coverage of the new 3G services would not be as good. Large numbers of Telstra pre-paid subscribers also use the CDMA network. Long an advocate of the CDMA technology, Former deputy prime minister and Nationals leader Tim Fischer last week said the demise of the CDMA network was a more pressing issue than the cancellation of Telstra's $4 billion fibre to the node broadband network. "That's the issue that's flashing amber for me. I'd probably rate that as more important," he said. Telstra has 1.7 million CDMA customers. Australian IT COPYRIGHT ? NEWS LIMITED Telstra couldn;t give a rats arse if ACMA monitor/audit them or not. ACMA have no power to demand Telstra improve coverage. Last time politicians tried to tame Trujillo, they received a one-fingered salute > http://australianit.news.com.au/wireless/story/0,8256,5-20119796,00.html > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Australian IT > COPYRIGHT ? NEWS LIMITED  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Telstra couldn;t give a rats arse if ACMA monitor/audit them or not. ACMA have no power > to demand Telstra improve coverage. They do have the power to refuse to allow 3G on that band. > Last time politicians tried to tame Trujillo, they received a one-fingered salute The Mex got the one finger salute from govt, most obviously with its attempt to shaft the competition with fibre to the node. >> http://australianit.news.com.au/wireless/story/0,8256,5-20119796,00.html >> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >> Australian IT >> COPYRIGHT ? NEWS LIMITED > > Last time politicians tried to tame Trujillo, they received a > > one-fingered salute > > The Mex got the one finger salute from govt, most obviously with its > attempt to shaft the competition with fibre to the node. As "majority share-holder" (until they can flog it), does the government have much say over 850MHz's 3G's coverage, the final shut-down of CDMA etc etc? Other than questioning Telstra over wether they'll meet the coverage, they don't seem to be pushing the matter very hard at the moment. Is that a lack of effort or lack of clout? PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ > Rod Speed wrote >>> Last time politicians tried to tame Trujillo, >>> they received a one-fingered salute >> The Mex got the one finger salute from govt, most obviously >> with its attempt to shaft the competition with fibre to the node. > As "majority share-holder" (until they can flog it), > does the government have much say over 850MHz's > 3G's coverage, the final shut-down of CDMA etc etc? In theory they have absolute say because they are the majority shareholder. In practice the govt chooses not to micromanage telstra at that level. > Other than questioning Telstra over wether they'll meet the > coverage, they don't seem to be pushing the mattervery > hard at the moment. Is that a lack of effort or lack of clout? Its basically the way they have decided to operate. Its never going to be practical to allow politicians to micromanage an operation like telstra, they will always attempt to rort the system to keep their electorates happy. The govt has chosen to not allow politicians to interfere at that level. Quite rightly in my opinion. >> Rod Speed wrote > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > In practice the govt chooses not to micromanage telstra at that level. Shutting CDMA is hardly micromanaging. >> Other than questioning Telstra over wether they'll meet the >> coverage, they don't seem to be pushing the mattervery >> hard at the moment. Is that a lack of effort or lack of clout? Stupidity in fact. They appointed a token woman to the portfolio (Coonan); gives you some idea of the importance the Government places on Telstra. > Its basically the way they have decided to operate. > > Its never going to be practical to allow politicians to > micromanage an operation like telstra, they will always > attempt to rort the system to keep their electorates happy. Shutting CDMA is hardly micromanaging > The govt has chosen to not allow politicians to interfere at that level. > > Quite rightly in my opinion. Wrong, majority shareholder has an obligation to protect their interest; to not show an interest is simply mismanagement. Common in the Howard Administration though. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Rod Speed wrote >>>>> Last time politicians tried to tame Trujillo, >>>>> they received a one-fingered salute >>>> The Mex got the one finger salute from govt, most obviously >>>> with its attempt to shaft the competition with fibre to the node. >>> As "majority share-holder" (until they can flog it), >>> does the government have much say over 850MHz's >>> 3G's coverage, the final shut-down of CDMA etc etc? >> In theory they have absolute say because they are the majority shareholder. >> In practice the govt chooses not to micromanage telstra at that level. > Shutting CDMA is hardly micromanaging. Corse it is when its being replaced, not just shut down. >>> Other than questioning Telstra over wether they'll meet the >>> coverage, they don't seem to be pushing the mattervery >>> hard at the moment. Is that a lack of effort or lack of clout? > Stupidity in fact. They appointed a token woman to the portfolio (Coonan); gives you > some idea of the importance the Government places on Telstra. She's done a lot better than that fool Alston ever did. >> Its basically the way they have decided to operate. >> Its never going to be practical to allow politicians to >> micromanage an operation like telstra, they will always >> attempt to rort the system to keep their electorates happy. > Shutting CDMA is hardly micromanaging Corse it is when its being replaced, not just shut down. >> The govt has chosen to not allow politicians to interfere at that level. >> Quite rightly in my opinion. > Wrong, majority shareholder has an obligation to protect their interest; Wrong, there is no legal obligation for the govt to do that. > to not show an interest is simply mismanagement. They do show an interest, they are getting to the ACMA to have a look at the claim that the coverage will be as good as it is with CDMA. <reams of your pathetic excuse for a troll that any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs> > > Telstra couldn;t give a rats arse if ACMA monitor/audit them or not. ACMA have no power > > to demand Telstra improve coverage. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The Mex got the one finger salute from govt, most obviously > with its attempt to shaft the competition with fibre to the node. not really. telstra is happy to not build something that wont have a good commercial return. they make that decision every day, day in, day out > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Telstra couldn;t give a rats arse if ACMA monitor/audit them or >>> not. ACMA have no power to demand Telstra improve coverage. >> They do have the power to refuse to allow 3G on that band. >>> Last time politicians tried to tame Trujillo, >>> they received a one-fingered salute >> The Mex got the one finger salute from govt, most obviously >> with its attempt to shaft the competition with fibre to the node. > not really. Fraid so. > telstra is happy to not build something that > wont have a good commercial return. The mex and his bum buddys are pissed that they couldnt monster the ACCC into buying their attempt to shaft the competition. > they make that decision every day, day in, day out Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a f.cking clue about anything at all, ever, and why you only ever get to clean the dunnys and lick the Mex's shoes. "80 sites" in a country of this size is so laughable it's funny > http://australianit.news.com.au/wireless/story/0,8256,5-20119796,00.html > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Australian IT > COPYRIGHT ? NEWS LIMITED > "80 sites" in a country of this size is so laughable it's funny Indeed. Bit like trialling a new cancer wonder-drug on three people and then hailing it a success for all and letting it roll into general use. ;) PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ Exactly. Too small a sample set to be deemed realistic. >> "80 sites" in a country of this size is so laughable it's funny > > Indeed. Bit like trialling a new cancer wonder-drug on three people and > then hailing it a success for all and letting it roll into general use. ;) > > PD > "80 sites" in a country of this size is so laughable it's funny agreed The *real* auditors will be the end users. They will decry the 3G system if its coverage is < the CDMA coverage. And remember, there is an election coming next year so the Govt will listen to any complaints. >> "80 sites" in a country of this size is so laughable it's funny > > agreed > The *real* auditors will be the end users. They will decry the 3G system if > its coverage is < the CDMA coverage. 3G already exists on GSM and they arent decrying it > And remember, there is an election coming next year so the Govt will listen > to any complaints. Crapshit I was taking into account the decommissioning of CDMA. >> The *real* auditors will be the end users. They will decry the 3G system > if [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Crapshit > I was taking into account the decommissioning of CDMA. Still crapshit. >> Intel Inside <Intel_Inside@thespamfactory.com> wrote >>> The *real* auditors will be the end users. They will decry the 3G system if its >>> coverage is < the CDMA coverage. >> 3G already exists on GSM and they arent decrying it >>> And remember, there is an election coming next year so the Govt will listen to any >>> complaints. >> Crapshit And up your's Speed Rod >I was taking into account the decommissioning of CDMA. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Crapshit > And up your's Speed Rod Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag. >> I was taking into account the decommissioning of CDMA. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>> >>> Crapshit > The *real* auditors will be the end users. They will decry the 3G system if its > coverage is < the CDMA coverage. > And remember, there is an election coming next year so the Govt will listen to any > complaints. We'll see... None of the hayseed electorates are at any risk now that One Notion has passed its useby date very spectacularly indeed. The election will be about interest rates and fuel prices, you watch. >> Intel Inside <Intel_Inside@thespamfactory.com> wrote >>> "80 sites" in a country of this size is so laughable it's funny >> agreed > And remember, there is an election coming next year so the Govt will listen > to any complaints. Other than Alan Jones, I didn't think the Liberal Government listenned to complaints at all? PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ > Intel Inside wrote >> And remember, there is an election coming next >> year so the Govt will listen to any complaints. > Other than Alan Jones, I didn't think the Liberal > Government listenned to complaints at all? Corse they do when it isnt just the usual mindless whining. You cant get reelected that often any other way. > Other than Alan Jones, I didn't think the Liberal Government listenned > to complaints at all? You could even remove the "Liberal" part - the only people all political parties seem to listen to are their financial donors. <snip> And now: http://australianit.news.com.au/wireless/story/0,8256,5-20128112,00.html "Mobile phone cell sites on the CDMA network can reach 200- 250km." Ok, hands up if you've _ever_ been able to place a CDMA call from >200km away? PD > <snip> > And now: http://australianit.news.com.au/wireless/story/0,8256,5-20128112,00.html [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Ok, hands up if you've _ever_ been able to place a CDMA call from >200km > away? me > > Ok, hands up if you've _ever_ been able to place a CDMA call from > > >200km away? > > me Location/situation/evidence that it was to a cell over 200km away? PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ >> <snip> >> And now: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > me I find that impossible to believe. The output power from the phone would be no where near sufficient to transmit that distance - even when in car kit with a booster and a decent external antenna. It's just not possible. Jabba >>> <snip> >>> And now: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > It's just not possible. Wrong in the right ducting conditions. >>>> <snip> >>>> And now: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Wrong in the right ducting conditions. There is no ducting on the mobile phone bands that would allow the signal to carry 200-250km - the frequency is far too narrow in the CDMA and GSM bands. It is not possible. Jabba >>>>> <snip> >>>>> And now: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> Wrong in the right ducting conditions. > There is no ducting on the mobile phone bands that would allow the signal to carry > 200-250km - Wrong, as always. > the frequency is far too narrow in the CDMA and GSM bands. Mindlessly pig ignorant. > It is not possible. Wrong, as always. Paul Day wrote: > Ok, hands up if you've _ever_ been able to place a CDMA call from >200km > away? I have problems with cells only 10 kays away. Case in point - Phillip Island, southern Victoria. Main town is Cowes. I barely get a signal (1 maybe 2 bars). If I move to a wrong position, it can cut out. Move 5 kays SE of Cowes to the race track. Get a full signal. Another; Corryong, NE Vic. Get a full signal in the town. Tintaldra, 20 km away, no coverage at all. Terrain around both regions, undulating to flat. >> Ok, hands up if you've _ever_ been able to place a CDMA call from >200km >> away? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > km away, no coverage at all. Terrain around both regions, undulating to > flat. As mentioned hundreds of times in this group. CDMA phones do not display "signal strength" unlike GSM phones. cheers Peter peter wrote: > As mentioned hundreds of times in this group. CDMA phones do not display > "signal strength" unlike GSM phones. That's supposedly correct. It shows signal "quality", which to me, means the same thing. If the "quality" is low, then you get a crappy signal. My point was that you can be a few kays away to get a good signal, then move a few kays and you get squat. >> As mentioned hundreds of times in this group. CDMA phones do not display >> "signal strength" unlike GSM phones. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My point was that you can be a few kays away to get a good signal, then > move a few kays and you get squat. It is a little bit different, it depends on how many people are using the signal. If, say 50 people are using their phones and are within a few kays of the transmitter you will get a low signal. If they all hang up except you the "signal"strength" meter will go up. In theory the quality should be the same. :-) cheers Peter > Large numbers of Telstra pre-paid subscribers also use the CDMA network. Nope >> Large numbers of Telstra pre-paid subscribers also use the CDMA network. > > Nope Wrong again as always. 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