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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / December 2006NextG Data Usage - an Experiment.
Today I demonstrated the NextG Internet service to a friend who will need to replace his CDMA phone soon. Part of that was the internet side of things. I decided to reset the data logs (time and data amounts). I then fired up the internal web browser and clicked on the bookmark. It took me to the text page for the BoM's local weather forecast. That little exercise took nearly 200 kb according to the phone's log. At 1.5c/kb that's around $3 just to look up a basic web page. Another exercise. I reset the timers. Fired up the browser. That took about 42 kb to do. So, that's something to be wary of, using the Samsung NextG phones. The main menu page has "Bigpond" on the bottom right menu option. It's easy to click on accidentally, thus starting to incur data charges before you have a chance to abort the operation. It might help explain my first bill's high data charges for relatively fuckall 'net usage, other than experimenting and setting up bookmarks. > Today I demonstrated the NextG Internet service to a friend who will > need to replace his CDMA phone soon. Part of that was the internet side [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > explain my first bill's high data charges for relatively fuckall 'net > usage, other than experimenting and setting up bookmarks. That's why anyone with a clue never uses Telstra, unless they are forced to for coverage.  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > That's why anyone with a clue never uses Telstra, unless they are forced to > for coverage. Now before you start running off chanting that Telstra is evil and all Telstra customers are devil worshippers please consider that ALL the mobile phone carriers charge ludicrous rates for casual data use so it doesn't make a rats a.s difference if you access data through Telstra or any other carrier - you'll still get screwed. thegoons said.... > That's why anyone with a clue never uses Telstra, unless they are forced > to for coverage. That just about covers me, I'm afraid. Tell me - what do the other carriers charge for their mobile data services from mobile phones? > Tell me - what do the other carriers charge for their mobile data > services from mobile phones? I get charged 0.3c/KB with Optus - no flagfall on sessions either. Beats the sh.t out of 2.2c/KB plus flagfall with Telstra. >> Tell me - what do the other carriers charge for their mobile data >> services from mobile phones? > > I get charged 0.3c/KB with Optus - no flagfall on sessions either. Beats > the sh.t out of 2.2c/KB plus flagfall with Telstra. And I get 200mb included for free on my corporate deal - whats your point? We are talking PAYG rates here. 2.2c/kb GSM or 1.5c/kb on 3G > Albinus <albinus@spam-this.com> wrote >>> Tell me - what do the other carriers charge for their mobile data services from mobile phones? >> I get charged 0.3c/KB with Optus - no flagfall on sessions either. >> Beats the sh.t out of 2.2c/KB plus flagfall with Telstra. > And I get 200mb included for free on my corporate deal - whats your point? That the NextG rates are utterly obscene, stupid. > We are talking PAYG rates here. 2.2c/kb GSM or 1.5c/kb on 3G Wrong, as always. >> Albinus <albinus@spam-this.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Wrong, as always. The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Albinus <albinus@spam-this.com> wrote >>>>> Tell me - what do the other carriers charge for their mobile data services from mobile phones? >>>> I get charged 0.3c/KB with Optus - no flagfall on sessions either. >>>> Beats the sh.t out of 2.2c/KB plus flagfall with Telstra. >>> And I get 200mb included for free on my corporate deal - whats your point? >> That the NextG rates are utterly obscene, stupid. >>> We are talking PAYG rates here. 2.2c/kb GSM or 1.5c/kb on 3G >> Wrong, as always. > The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG The other poster is completely irrelevant to what is available with PAYG. > The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG I beg to differ. After the first 2MB for $9.90 it's 0.3c/KB I'm being charged. Works well for the amount of data I use. >> The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG > > I beg to differ. After the first 2MB for $9.90 it's 0.3c/KB I'm being > charged. Works well for the amount of data I use. Exactly as stated - you have a data pack, which is not PAYG >>> The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG >> >> I beg to differ. After the first 2MB for $9.90 it's 0.3c/KB I'm being >> charged. Works well for the amount of data I use. > > Exactly as stated - you have a data pack, which is not PAYG Corse it is. On Sat, 25 Kislev 5767 15:16 Rod Speed translated the ancient runes thusly: >>>> The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Corse it is. The Union Corse? The French Corsican equivalent of the Mafia? Sacre bleu! Kate Signature"Job tvoyjemadj!" -Obergefreiter Porta 27 Panzer Z.B.v > Rod Speed wrote >>> Albinus <albinus@spam-this.com> wrote >>>>> The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG >>>> I beg to differ. After the first 2MB for $9.90 it's 0.3c/KB I'm >>>> being charged. Works well for the amount of data I use. >>> Exactly as stated - you have a data pack, which is not PAYG >> Corse it is. > The Union Corse? The French Corsican equivalent of the Mafia? Sacre bleu! f.ck off, wogchild. On Sun, 26 Kislev 5767 07:04 Rod Speed translated the ancient runes thusly: >> Rod Speed wrote >>>> Albinus <albinus@spam-this.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > f.ck off, wogchild. Ah, dear Roddles, as acerbic as ever! Kate Signature"Job tvoyjemadj!" -Obergefreiter Porta 27 Panzer Z.B.v > On Sun, 26 Kislev 5767 07:04 Rod Speed translated the ancient runes > thusly: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ah, dear Roddles, as acerbic as ever! Just do what you were told, wogchild. >> On Sun, 26 Kislev 5767 07:04 Rod Speed translated the ancient runes >> thusly: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Just do what you were told, wogchild. Oh dear. I haven't done what I was told for a mort of years now, and no intention of starting now. So now I am still here, are you going to taunt me some more with that outrageous French accent? Kate Signature"Job tvoyjemadj!" -Obergefreiter Porta 27 Panzer Z.B.v > Rod Speed wrote >>>> Kate <vk4xyl2@nospam.optusnet.com.au> wrote >>>>>> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote >>>>>>>> Michael wrote >>>>>>>>> The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG >>>>>>>> I beg to differ. After the first 2MB for $9.90 it's 0.3c/KB I'm >>>>>>>> being charged. Works well for the amount of data I use. >>>>>>> Exactly as stated - you have a data pack, which is not PAYG >>>>>> Corse it is. >>>>> The Union Corse? The French Corsican equivalent of the Mafia? >>>>> Sacre bleu! >>>> f.ck off, wogchild. >>> Ah, dear Roddles, as acerbic as ever! >> Just do what you were told, wogchild. > Oh dear. Cheap in your case, wogchild. <reams of your puerile sh.t any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs> >>>> The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG >>> >>> I beg to differ. After the first 2MB for $9.90 it's 0.3c/KB I'm being >>> charged. Works well for the amount of data I use. >> >> Exactly as stated - you have a data pack, which is not PAYG Nope. PAYG = PAYG. You pay x per kb, with an y flagfall (if applicable). You do not pay a per month charge to access data. Data pack. You pay x per kb for the first z kb, with a y flagfall (if applicable). After that, you revert to either PAYG rates or a cheaper rate. You pay an $b charge per month to access data. > Corse it is. > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Albinus <albinus@spam-this.com> wrote >>>>> The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG >>>> I beg to differ. After the first 2MB for $9.90 it's 0.3c/KB I'm >>>> being charged. Works well for the amount of data I use. >>> Exactly as stated - you have a data pack, which is not PAYG >> Corse it is. > Nope. Yep. > PAYG = PAYG. Must be one of those rocket scientist dunny cleaning fuckwit children. > You pay x per kb, with an y flagfall (if applicable). > You do not pay a per month charge to access data. Have fun explaining the Telstra PAYG plans that have a fixed minimum monthly charge and charge more when you have used more than that in calls. Not a f.cking clue, as always. > Data pack. You pay x per kb for the first z kb, with a y flagfall (if applicable). After that, you > revert to either PAYG rates or a cheaper rate. You pay an $b charge per month to access data. Just like with the Telstra plans that have a fixed minimum monthly charge and charge more AFTER THE CALLS HAVE BEEN MADE when you have used more than that in calls. No surprise that you only get to clean the dunnys, child. >> You pay x per kb, with an y flagfall (if applicable). >> You do not pay a per month charge to access data. > > Have fun explaining the Telstra PAYG plans that have a fixed minimum > monthly charge and charge more when you have used more than that in calls. Are you confusing a FlexiPlan fee with a data pack charge? If not, provide examples, because you are all over the shop > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>> Albinus <albinus@spam-this.com> wrote >>>>>>> The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG >>>>>> I beg to differ. After the first 2MB for $9.90 it's 0.3c/KB I'm >>>>>> being charged. Works well for the amount of data I use. >>>>> Exactly as stated - you have a data pack, which is not PAYG >>>> Corse it is. >>> Nope. >> Yep. >>> PAYG = PAYG. >> Must be one of those rocket scientist dunny cleaning fuckwit children. >>> You pay x per kb, with an y flagfall (if applicable). >>> You do not pay a per month charge to access data. >> Have fun explaining the Telstra PAYG plans that have a fixed minimum monthly charge and charge >> more when you have used more than that in calls. > Are you confusing a FlexiPlan fee with a data pack charge? Nope. > If not, provide examples, because you are all over the shop Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag, or manage to work out what PAYG is about either. No surprise that it only ever gets to clean the dunnys. > >>> The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Corse it is. Michael is right. When you have a data or pc pack on the service, you are not charged PAYG rates. > Rod Speed wrote >>> Albinus <albinus@spam-this.com> wrote >>>>> The other posters rates of 0.3kb with no flagfall are not PAYG >>>> I beg to differ. After the first 2MB for $9.90 it's 0.3c/KB I'm >>>> being charged. Works well for the amount of data I use. >>> Exactly as stated - you have a data pack, which is not PAYG >> Corse it is. > Michael is right. Nope. > When you have a data or pc pack on the service, you are not charged PAYG rates. You do however pay for what you use, so its STILL PAYG. > Exactly as stated - you have a data pack, which is not PAYG But if I use no data for the month, I'm not charged a cent. The old $4.95 for 4MB was a data pack - if you didn't use it you still got charged the $4.95. The new one, although not as good value, still doesn't incur charges until you start using the data. Michael said.... > And I get 200mb included for free on my corporate deal - whats your > point? Bully for you. For the plebs, the average consumer who Telstra is targetting with the various NextG products, it's expensive. That's my point. Two bucks to load the weather website isn't going to win many customers over onto 3G, is it? > Michael said.... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > point. Two bucks to load the weather website isn't going to win many > customers over onto 3G, is it? You use Pocketnews for that, stupid Albinus said.... > I get charged 0.3c/KB with Optus - no flagfall on sessions either. Beats > the sh.t out of 2.2c/KB plus flagfall with Telstra. Unfortunately, if I want the extended coverage that NextG offers compared to GSM of any flavor, then I'm stuck with Telstra. Whatever, the 3G stuff won't get used much at all, now that I've got the required bookmarks loaded and have weaned myself off the initial gadget fixatation... > Whatever, the 3G stuff won't get used much at all, now that I've got > the required bookmarks loaded and have weaned myself off the initial > gadget fixatation... Don't forget to disable images, javascript, cookies and WML scripts. :) PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ The irony is that if Telstra charged less for 3G data, people would use the services more -> more $ for Telstra by 'growing the market'. Look at what happened to SMS... > Albinus said.... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > required bookmarks loaded and have weaned myself off the initial gadget > fixatation... > The irony is that if Telstra charged less for 3G data, people would use > the services more -> more $ for Telstra by 'growing the market'. Crap, otherwise Telstra would have done it > Look at what happened to SMS... sh.t example, buddy. SMS started at 15c on Voda, now its 25c It started as 20c on Telstra, now its 25c. Given your example, it should be 3c? >> Albinus said.... >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> required bookmarks loaded and have weaned myself off the initial gadget >> fixatation... > Core2Duo <Core2Duo@theinternet.com> wrote >> The irony is that if Telstra charged less for 3G data, people would >> use the services more -> more $ for Telstra by 'growing the market'. > Crap, otherwise Telstra would have done it Not a f.cking clue, as always. >> Look at what happened to SMS... > sh.t example, buddy. Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag. > SMS started at 15c on Voda, now its 25c > It started as 20c on Telstra, now its 25c. Pity there are plenty have much more of a clue. > Given your example, it should be 3c? Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag. >>> Albinus said.... >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> got the required bookmarks loaded and have weaned myself off the >>> initial gadget fixatation... Michael said.... >> The irony is that if Telstra charged less for 3G data, people would >> use the services more -> more $ for Telstra by 'growing the market'. > > Crap, otherwise Telstra would have done it Bullshit. Look at its internet costs, for starters. Bigpond's plans are way more expensive than the average ISPs' ones. It charges for uploaded data. Others don't. It's basic mobile services are more expensive than other mobile telcos. For example, Telstra has no plans comparable to 3's $29/mth capped plan, which I'd dearly love to get, but cannot. Not out here, anyway. And where does Telstra get off charging a dollar a minute for timed calls, whether they be local or long distance? Because it can, that's why. Sure, if I don't like the service I can choose not to use it. That's the free market way. But when a lot of people have no real choice, then it's invalid to say that Telstra charges what it charges because it "has to", or "if it could it would charge less". When a single and relatively small company by world standards makes multi-billion profits each year compared to telcos elsewhere, then it hardly stacks up. > And where does Telstra get off charging a dollar a minute for timed > calls, whether they be local or long distance? Because it can, that's > why. Telstra dont have timed local calls. FYI a call from a mobile is a call from a mobile, not a local or LD call. >> And where does Telstra get off charging a dollar a minute for timed >> calls, whether they be local or long distance? Because it can, that's why. > Telstra dont have timed local calls. Yes they do. Optionally and with isdn. > FYI a call from a mobile is a call from a mobile, not a local or LD call. Separate matter entirely. Michael said.... >> And where does Telstra get off charging a dollar a minute for timed >> calls, whether they be local or long distance? Because it can, that's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > FYI a call from a mobile is a call from a mobile, not a local or LD > call. For all intents and purposes a call from a mobile to land line or another mobile when the destination is local, then yeah, it is a "timed local call". And its f.cking expensive. Speaking of expensive, last night when out, I fired up the wap browser to check the weather radar. It's a WAP "enabled" site, so it means less graphics or data to download. Anyway, that simple operation took 320kb of data. At around 1.5 cents a kb it cost me around $4.50. I'll double check this though, when I get my next bill. It was the only WAP session that occured on 22nd Dec. You have a compulsion to post your comments and then think later. You said "Crap, otherwise Telstra would have done it" as if Telstra are incapable of making mistakes. This attitude makes you either a deluded apologist or a sycophant. Marketing 101 teaches the phases of market adoption of a new product eg. plasma/lcd televisions that come down in price as the market grows. I used SMS in my previous post as an example of a *growing market*, however as you correctly pointed out the price of SMS has increased but this is more an anomaly than the norm. The 3G data market will grow, it's just a case of how fast. A price drop would encourage data market growth. Come back Michael with more abuse if you feel so compelled... >> The irony is that if Telstra charged less for 3G data, people would use >> the services more -> more $ for Telstra by 'growing the market'. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >>> required bookmarks loaded and have weaned myself off the initial gadget >>> fixatation... Core2Duo said.... > this is more an anomaly than the norm. The 3G data market will grow, > it's just a case of how fast. A price drop would encourage data market > growth. Since the introduction of mobile phones here in Australia what has the price of a call done? Has it increased, decreased or kept in line with the CPI? Please tell us. > Core2Duo said.... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > price of a call done? Has it increased, decreased or kept in line with > the CPI? Core2Duo said.... > Please tell us. Who, me? I asked the question. I was hoping that someone would know the answer. I don't. Just that it SEEMS like the price of calls from mobiles has remained high. For example, a basic $30/mth Telstra plan has call costs at around $1/min., plust around 35c flagfall. > Core2Duo said.... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > has remained high. For example, a basic $30/mth Telstra plan has call > costs at around $1/min., plust around 35c flagfall. Not as easy to say anymore, is it. If you bought a subsidised handset on a contract, some of your call costs are subsidising the handset. Also almost all carriers have bonus options, etc. So its even harder to say, as a large % of calls are repriced by a bonus option Michael said.... > If you bought a subsidised handset on a contract, some of your call > costs are subsidising the handset. Say I bought a NextG phone off Ebay. I then go into a Telstra shop to get it connected. What plans are available to me as a personal non-business customer? On a $30/mth member plan with no phone (already own the phone) the following applies: Voice call rates: 44c/30secs Call connection: 27c SMS: 25c Video MMS: 75c Picture MMS: 50c For a $30 member plan with a phone: Call rate: 46c/30secs SMS: 25c Video MMS: 75c Picture MMS: 50c. So, really, the only "benefit" there is if you already own a phone is that calls costs 2 cents/30secs less. For something that retails for say, $500, you're saving what's equivalent to an extra 200hrs of talk time if you just get a phone on a contract. So, if phones are subsidised or that you are paying for them on the contract, then those who already have one are still paying a shitload for the same service. No matter which way you look at it, mobile phone services in Australia is expensive. And it's probably what is increasingly propping up Telstra's revenues. >Voice call rates: 44c/30secs That is sooooooooo expensive! SignatureRegards, John Phillips Sydney, Australia > Michael said.... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > get it connected. What plans are available to me as a personal > non-business customer? There are a range of casual and member plans. there may actually be other plans as well such as the Get connected range, but not sure. Too many plans at once. > Please tell us. She/he asked the question, you dick. >> Core2Duo said.... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> price of a call done? Has it increased, decreased or kept in line with >> the CPI? > > The irony is that if Telstra charged less for 3G data, people would use > > the services more -> more $ for Telstra by 'growing the market'. > Crap, otherwise Telstra would have done it Yeah, coz Telstra are always so quick to react. They did SMS and TV on your mobile before any other Australia provider! Not... PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ > > Tell me - what do the other carriers charge for their mobile data > > services from mobile phones? > > I get charged 0.3c/KB with Optus - no flagfall on sessions either. Beats > the sh.t out of 2.2c/KB plus flagfall with Telstra. 8.8c/kb on Optyus turbocharge > Today I demonstrated the NextG Internet service to a friend who will > need to replace his CDMA phone soon. Part of that was the internet side [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > explain my first bill's high data charges for relatively fuckall 'net > usage, other than experimenting and setting up bookmarks. So it's Telstra'a fault that you're surfing bloated image laden web sites? How about using sites that are designed for mobile use with minimal use of fancy graphics??? e.g. http://wap.wz.com.au/ You can also access BOM products using the ftp server which provides plain text pages: ftp://ftp2.bom.gov.au/anon/gen/fwo/IDV10450.txt If you were using the net before WWW ruined it with advertisements and bloated pages you would know how useful the gopher and ftp pages of the BOM were. I miss gopher. All the info you needed without the crap. WAP with WML formatting has at least provided a useful compensation. >> Today I demonstrated the NextG Internet service to a friend who will >> need to replace his CDMA phone soon. Part of that was the internet side [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > BOM were. I miss gopher. All the info you needed without the crap. > WAP with WML formatting has at least provided a useful compensation. "bloated image laden web sites" maybe he wants to look at the weather charts + radar ... >>> Today I demonstrated the NextG Internet service to a friend who will >>> need to replace his CDMA phone soon. Part of that was the internet side [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > "bloated image laden web sites" > maybe he wants to look at the weather charts + radar ... Well the 524 x 564 pixel radar images on the web server of the BOM are much larger than the resolution of any phone or PDA so it would be a far more intelligent option if data usage is a concern to use a resized version available from the Weatherzone site for example. > Well the 524 x 564 pixel radar images on the web server of the BOM are > much larger than the resolution of any phone or PDA so it would be a far > more intelligent option if data usage is a concern to use a resized > version available from the Weatherzone site for example. I came across these several years ago: http://www.darkside.com.au/map30.php http://www.darkside.com.au/map60.php http://www.darkside.com.au/map120.php They fetch the latest BoM radar image for Melbourne and crop the picture and send it to your phone. 30 km, 60 km and 120 km radius of Melbourne. I don't know anything about the site or who runs it, I can't even remember how I found them in the first place but I make use of the 120 km radius map regularly. -- The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452> >> Well the 524 x 564 pixel radar images on the web server of the BOM are >> much larger than the resolution of any phone or PDA so it would be a far >> more intelligent option if data usage is a concern to use a resized >> version available from the Weatherzone site for example. >I came across these several years ago: >http://www.darkside.com.au/map30.php >http://www.darkside.com.au/map60.php >http://www.darkside.com.au/map120.php More interesting are the encryption software packages available for free from the site. Embedding stuff in whitespace and fiddling of GIF colour maps is interesting. I bet that's one reason why Unisys is so anal about the whole GIF patenting issue. 8-) Craig. SignatureGuru Will Sellit! ** 'sunrk' on Ebay ** | Get Back on Track at the Sun Shack Craig Dewick - one4sun@one4sun.net.au | www.sunshack.org or www.sunshack.info www.one4sun.net.au one4sun@gmail.com +-------------------------------------- - Check out my Ebay Store at http://stores.ebay.com.au/Sun-Ripened-Kernels Kubalister said.... > Well the 524 x 564 pixel radar images on the web server of the BOM are > much larger than the resolution of any phone or PDA so it would be a far > more intelligent option if data usage is a concern to use a resized > version available from the Weatherzone site for example. The Weatherzone wap site is a "trial" at the moment. I don't know whether that means it is a trial to see how popular it is in order to gauge its viability or whether it's a trial before it's a charged service. Whatever, it seems to load a bit better than the BoM's version. > Well the 524 x 564 pixel radar images on the web server of the BOM are > much larger than the resolution of any phone or PDA so it would be a far > more intelligent option if data usage is a concern to use a resized > version available from the Weatherzone site for example. The BOM radar images loaded just fine on my old 6230 - sure you had to scroll around the screen but they were full resolution. New Samsung resizes them though, which is a pity if you're trying to determine when you're likely to lose your roof :p Albinus said.... > The BOM radar images loaded just fine on my old 6230 - sure you had to > scroll around the screen but they were full resolution. New Samsung > resizes them though, which is a pity if you're trying to determine when > you're likely to lose your roof :p The Samsung A501 displays the BoM weather radar much the same as a PC does. Just have to scroll around the page. Sometimes, though, it won't load. Not sure why. Often sits there doing nothing. A refresh sometimes fixes it. Core2Duo said.... > "bloated image laden web sites" > maybe he wants to look at the weather charts + radar ... I have 6 websites currently loaded. My bank's netbank service, the BoM's weather radar for Victoria, the BoM's Victorian regional weather forecasts, Telstra's Yellow Pages and White Pages and The Age's website. I am unaware of mobile specific sites for the above services. Regardless, the amount of data that my phone downloads would be typical of any other mobile customer who may not have the "experience" of Kubilaster with respect to maximum Internet utilisation. Not all of us spend every waking minute in front of a computer and surfing the 'net. > Core2Duo said.... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > weather radar for Victoria, the BoM's Victorian regional weather > forecasts, Telstra's Yellow Pages and White Pages and The Age's website. The Age has a text only version available: http://www.theage.com.au/text/ Kubalister said.... > The Age has a text only version available: > http://www.theage.com.au/text/ Thanks. I'll give it a try. Compare the data transfer amount from it to the "graphical" version. What about the Yellow or Whitepages? There used to be a text-only version but it seems to have disappeared. That web service is probably one of the most useful. It allows you to look up a business's or person's phone number as well as the address, something that the 013 (or whatever the number is) directory service doesn't do - provide the address. > Kubalister said.... >> The Age has a text only version available: >> http://www.theage.com.au/text/ > Thanks. I'll give it a try. Compare the data transfer > amount from it to the "graphical" version. > What about the Yellow or Whitepages? There used to be a text-only > version but it seems to have disappeared. That web service is probably > one of the most useful. It allows you to look up a business's or > person's phone number as well as the address, Yeah, can be very handy when you think you know where a place is but it isnt there when you rock up and you need to know where it actually is. The map is particularly handy with business places particularly. Not as good as google.maps tho which has the individual house block boundarys on the maps even in medium sized country towns, leaves the white pages for dead there, they dont have the street numbers. > something that the 013 (or whatever the number is) > directory service doesn't do - provide the address. > Core2Duo said.... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Kubilaster with respect to maximum Internet utilisation. Not all of us > spend every waking minute in front of a computer and surfing the 'net. I regularly use weather maps from BOM and WZ, and don't have much download from them, my data usually only comes to $2-3 per month or thereabouts. Tsunami said.... > I regularly use weather maps from BOM and WZ, and don't have much > download from them, my data usually only comes to $2-3 per month or > thereabouts. What can I say? Your phone provider must have a better deal for its customers than Telstra's NextG does. I've provided the figures that the phone is showing when I open one web page, and even just firing up the web browser in the phone downloads 40 kays of data, or close to a dollar's worth. I s'pose I could ask about one of those "data packs", but what for if I don't regularly use the service? > Tsunami said.... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I s'pose I could ask about one of those "data packs", but what for if I > don't regularly use the service? I'm talking Telstra CDMA. I'd look at getting a sales rep to look at the phone or have it sent away to be checked by the manufacturer. > So it's Telstra'a fault that you're surfing bloated image laden web sites? > How about using sites that are designed for mobile use with minimal use > of fancy graphics??? > e.g. > http://wap.wz.com.au/ Are you a moron or can't you READ? He specifically said 'text page' for the local BoM's weather! >> I decided to reset the data logs (time and data amounts). I then fired >> up the internal web browser and clicked on the bookmark. It took me to >> the text page for the BoM's local weather forecast. >> That little exercise took nearly 200 kb according to the phone's log. At >> 1.5c/kb that's around $3 just to look up a basic web page. > You can also access BOM products using the ftp server which provides > plain text pages: > ftp://ftp2.bom.gov.au/anon/gen/fwo/IDV10450.txt > If you were using the net before WWW ruined it with advertisements and > bloated pages you would know how useful the gopher and ftp pages of the > BOM were. I miss gopher. All the info you needed without the crap. > WAP with WML formatting has at least provided a useful compensation. Yes agreed, but there are bugger all WAP or WML pages out there yet. Maybe now that people can see how expensive Tel$tra are and the need to keep downloads on mobile devices to a minimum more will start to appear. -- The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452> > Yes agreed, but there are bugger all WAP or WML pages out there yet. > Maybe now that people can see how expensive Tel$tra are and the need to > keep downloads on mobile devices to a minimum more will start to appear. Don't hold your breath! WAP has been around for a LONG time and people still don't understand why a WML page is more useful on a mobile than a HTML page (hell, 99.99% of people couldn't explain the differences between the two) so rather than complain that a WML page isn't available from a server they'll just stop using their phones for internet access because it's too expensive. > Emjaye wrote >> Today I demonstrated the NextG Internet service to a friend who will need to replace his CDMA >> phone soon. Part of that was the internet side of things. >> I decided to reset the data logs (time and data amounts). I then >> fired up the internal web browser and clicked on the bookmark. It >> took me to the text page for the BoM's local weather forecast. >> That little exercise took nearly 200 kb according to the phone's >> log. At 1.5c/kb that's around $3 just to look up a basic web page. >> Another exercise. I reset the timers. Fired up the browser. That took >> about 42 kb to do. So, that's something to be wary of, using the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> for relatively fuckall 'net usage, other than experimenting and >> setting up bookmarks. > So it's Telstra'a fault that you're surfing bloated image laden web sites? Pity the BoM's local weather forecast doesnt qualify. > How about using sites that are designed for mobile use with minimal use of fancy graphics??? > e.g. > http://wap.wz.com.au/ How about telstra has enough of a clue to price their data service more reasonably when they spruik net access with NextG ? Tad radical, I know. > You can also access BOM products using the ftp server which provides plain text pages: > ftp://ftp2.bom.gov.au/anon/gen/fwo/IDV10450.txt You wouldnt have to fart around like that if telstra priced the access more viably. I'd like to be able to use google.maps instead of whereis because the f.cked whereis system doesnt even have street numbers outside the major citys and google.maps even has individual property boundarys shown on normal residential streets in any decent sized town, and leaves whereis for dead. And whereis has an even more crap bloated web site anyway. > If you were using the net before WWW ruined it with advertisements and > bloated pages you would know how useful the gopher and ftp pages of > the BOM were. I miss gopher. All the info you needed without the crap. > WAP with WML formatting has at least provided a useful compensation. Pity that even telstra doesnt bother with their whereis, whitepages, yellow pages etc. Kubalister said.... > So it's Telstra'a fault that you're surfing bloated image laden web > sites? How about using sites that are designed for mobile use with > minimal use of fancy graphics??? > e.g. > http://wap.wz.com.au/ Thanks for the benefit of your superior knowledge. I dunno how us mere mortals would get on, otherwise. >If you were using the net before WWW ruined it with advertisements and >bloated pages you would know how useful the gopher and ftp pages of the >BOM were. I miss gopher. All the info you needed without the crap. >WAP with WML formatting has at least provided a useful compensation. Yep it was Google before there was such a thing as Google. Remove spam and banner/pop-up add data traffic and there'd being nothing going on! lol It's so hard to use web pages on a cellphone so the telco's are raking in $$$ for providing more shite to consumers. Craig. 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