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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / January 2007Telstras Next G
Does Nokia make a phone that it fully combatable with Telstras next G network? On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:46:59 GMT, and after reading the post titled " Telstras Next G", "JCADD" <jcadd@bigpond.net.au> ordered the talented chickens to cluck & peck the following: >Does Nokia make a phone that it fully combatable with Telstras next G >network? Not at this stage. There are supposed to be a number of new handsets coming onto the market(I was quoted about 25 new models) in the next 6-12 months in NextG, and some of them are made by Nokia. Cheers, Rod.....Out Back > Does Nokia make a phone that it fully combatable with Telstras next G > network? Nope. PD  SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ > Does Nokia make a phone that it fully combatable with Telstras next G > network? I hear the new .45 calibre Nokia can take out a NextG BTS from within 100m > Does Nokia make a phone that it fully combatable with Telstras next G > network? Possibly. New models are expected this year. JimM wrote: >> Does Nokia make a phone that it fully combatable with Telstras next G >> network? > > $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia.... > > Should I believe them.?? >> Does Nokia make a phone that it fully combatable with Telstras next G >> network? > > Possibly. New models are expected this year. Screw Nokia, go buy the Motorola RAZR V6 and get a NextG phone right now :) > JimM wrote: > >> Does Nokia make a phone that it fully combatable with Telstras next G [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > Screw Nokia, go buy the Motorola RAZR V6 and get a NextG phone right now :) when you do, get messagebank roaming put on that will improve the coverage for you. > when you do, get messagebank roaming put on that will improve the > coverage for you. Bwahahahaha!!! Never heard it referred to as such before... very clever! All carriers have 100% coverage with Messagebank roaming :p > Screw Nokia, go buy the Motorola RAZR V6 and get a NextG phone right now :) Does it do 2100MHz UMTS? ;) I want 3G global roaming... GPRS makes me cry and not that many overseas networks appear to have rolled out EDGE yet. PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ >> Screw Nokia, go buy the Motorola RAZR V6 and get a NextG phone right now :) > > Does it do 2100MHz UMTS? ;) It's a dual band UMTS (850 & 2100) & tri-band (900/1800/1900) capable phone. > >> Screw Nokia, go buy the Motorola RAZR V6 and get a NextG phone > >> right now :) > > > > Does it do 2100MHz UMTS? ;) > > It's a dual band UMTS (850 & 2100) & tri-band (900/1800/1900) capable phone. Hmmm, nice. :) Is that the only phone (other than the JasJam) that Telstra are selling that does UMTS 2100 as well as 850? PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ >> Screw Nokia, go buy the Motorola RAZR V6 and get a NextG phone right now >> :) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I want 3G global roaming... GPRS makes me cry and not that many overseas > networks appear to have rolled out EDGE yet. Actually quite a few do, USA, Canada, most countries in Europe, quite a few countries here in south America, China, India, SE Asia, even a few in Africa. On the topic of 2100MHz UMTS, I picked up a UMTS network on my UMTS2100-only phone in San Diego, CA last week (and it definitely wasn't in Mexico - too far north of the border), however I believe this would have been a test site on T-Mobile's unique 1700/2100 network (and thus my handset would not have been able to transmit on it). > On the topic of 2100MHz UMTS, I picked up a UMTS network on my > UMTS2100-only [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > have > been able to transmit on it). But unlike Telstra, T-Mobile actually have a large customer base so they won't be stuck with a pitiful range of handsets when the proprietary network is launched *cough*Next G*cough* :p Build the network and the handsets will come... provided there are actually enough customers to make the handset design worthwhile! >> On the topic of 2100MHz UMTS, I picked up a UMTS network on my >> UMTS2100-only [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > won't be stuck with a pitiful range of handsets when the proprietary > network is launched *cough*Next G*cough* :p Large customer base???? T-Mobile has 17mil customers and wants to launch with a UMTS network frequency band pair that NO other telco in the world plans to use (due to the GSM 1800 band being used elsewhere) whereas Cingular with a 50 million strong customer base is using the 850 network band for UMTS that is currently used in three countries. T-Mobile 3G subscribers are the ones that will be stuck with the greatest limitation in handsets, since they will be required to support the oddball 1700/2100 Tx/Rx pair with the base stations transmitting in the 1700 band and receiving in the 2100 band, whereas the most common UMTS 2100 band has the base station transmit in the 2100 band and receive in the 1900 MHz allocation. > >> On the topic of 2100MHz UMTS, I picked up a UMTS network on my > >> UMTS2100-only [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > UMTS 2100 band has the base station transmit in the 2100 band and > receive in the 1900 MHz allocation. Actually a minor correction - the NodeB/BTS transmits in 2100 and UE in 1700 (which explains why I could see the network on my plain old UMTS2100 handset). But I agree that we're creating the GSM1900/850 situation all over again, but T-Mobile is probably the worst example yet of custom frequency use. > "davmel" <idontlikespam@no.spam.here> wrote in message >> T-Mobile 3G subscribers are the ones that will be stuck with the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > situation all over again, but T-Mobile is probably the worst example > yet of custom frequency use. OK, good to confirm that since it makes sense that the mobile handset transmits with lower power on a lower frequency than the BTS if at all possible, however I remember seeing details that the opposite was true when the spectrum was auctioned off. The silly part is that thanks to T-Mobile and the FCC we will now require quad band GSM and quad band UMTS handsets for true roaming capability (and that's before the yanks get into the 450 and 700 MHz band potential deployments and Europe considers UMTS at 900.) If any network will be the odd one out though it will be T-Mobile since the frequency pair just won't be used anywhere else. They should have waited and saved up for the ex-broadcast TV 700 band spectrum. >> "davmel" <idontlikespam@no.spam.here> wrote in message >>> T-Mobile 3G subscribers are the ones that will be stuck with the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >the frequency pair just won't be used anywhere else. They should have >waited and saved up for the ex-broadcast TV 700 band spectrum. 450mhz in any country is worth too many $$$ in normal 12.5khz commercial 2way radio frequencies to be used by wideband services such as phones. So whilst it is always possible, I highly doubt phones will get below 700mhz. >>> "davmel" <idontlikespam@no.spam.here> wrote in message >>>> T-Mobile 3G subscribers are the ones that will be stuck with the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > as phones. So whilst it is always possible, I highly doubt phones will > get below 700mhz. True, the 400 to 500MHz spectrum is already heavily utilised in many countries, although a great deal of it is poorly assigned and could easily be better utilised if more users were on a shared trunking system. Everyone seems to forget the ridiculous under-utilisation of the spectrum allocated to the military between 230 and 400MHz. I still can't believe that after all this time it hasn't been sliced up for more useful commercial purposes. Jonathan said.... >> Possibly. New models are expected this year. >> > Screw Nokia, go buy the Motorola RAZR V6 and get a NextG phone right now Or one of the two Samsungs. I have the cheaper A501. So far it's been an excellent phone. Great quality, easy to use menus, screen's pretty good too, but not that flash in bright sunlight, particularly if you're trying to take a photo or video. Only letdown is the PC software. It or the phone doesn't allow phone book editing. You can't add, delete or change contacts details via software. You can only backup or restore, or import from something like Outlook. > Does Nokia make a phone that it fully combatable with Telstras next G > network? $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia.... Should I believe them.?? > $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia.... > > Should I believe them.?? Experience says Telstra shop employees *usually* pluck a number out of their arse when it comes to release dates and the like. That said, some actually do know what they are on about - problem is working out which is which. >> $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia.... >> >> Should I believe them.?? > > Experience says Telstra shop employees *usually* pluck a number out of > their arse when it comes to release dates and the like. That said, some They use the dates supplied by Nokia, which are usually plucked out of Nokia's arse >>> $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia.... >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > They use the dates supplied by Nokia, which are usually plucked out of > Nokia's arse Michael wouldn't Brightstar be the one's who would know.......? >>>> $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia.... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Michael wouldn't Brightstar be the one's who would know.......? Yes, Telstra were the idiots who gave their supply monopoly to Brighstar; hence the dismal failure in ability to supply NextG handsets. Many independent dealers are now suing Telstra for the delays as Telstra diverted Brightstar shipments to Telstra Shops. and diverted them from Telstra Licensed Shops and other dealers. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com thegoons said.... > Many independent dealers are now suing Telstra for the delays as Telstra > diverted Brightstar shipments to Telstra Shops. and diverted them from > Telstra Licensed Shops and other dealers. A mate of mine runs a "Telstra shop" here where I live. Around the corner is another "Telstra Shop". However, I think the latter is more of a Telstra shop as you've described, and he (the former) may simply be a licensed dealer. Anyway, I rocked up to his shop the week after NextG opened and enquired about what phones are available. Dunno, said the sales assistant. There was nothing in the shop to indicate that the NextG service had been commissioned. So, I went to the other shop. In it were NextG posters and the then currently available handsets on display. The only one not available was the Samsumg A701. Later on I went back to the other shop and asked someone different about NextG (I prefered to give this shop my business). However, she too knew nothing. I said that The other shop has them available and the shop is decked out in NextG promotional banners, posters, etc.. Oh, was all she said... I dunno how long it was before they started selling NextG products as I ended up getting the phone from the other mob. So, there may well be some truth to Telstra giving selected dealers/resellers preferential treatment. I wonder if Optus and other mobile phone companies do the same. > thegoons said.... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > dealers/resellers preferential treatment. I wonder if Optus and other > mobile phone companies do the same. If these`allegations are true, wouldn't these be of interest to the ACCC..?? JimM said.... >> So, there may well be some truth to Telstra giving selected >> dealers/resellers preferential treatment. I wonder if Optus and other >> mobile phone companies do the same. > If these`allegations are true, wouldn't these be of interest to the > ACCC..?? Knowing the guy who didn't have any NextG products and the relationship between him and the other guy (there was a court appearance by the first guy after he was stalking the second), if there was such preferential treatment meted out by Telstra, then I'm sure that he would've gone down this path already. Oh, the local Hardly Normal store, which also flogs Telstra products, didn't have any NextG stuff either. >> thegoons said.... >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> dealers/resellers preferential treatment. I wonder if Optus and other >> mobile phone companies do the same. > If these`allegations are true, wouldn't these be of interest to the ACCC..?? Nope, perfectly legal to do that. >> thegoons said.... >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >If these`allegations are true, wouldn't these be of interest to the ACCC..?? I know there's been a lot of similar accusations flung around this area, with the dealers claiming exactly the same. >>>> $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia.... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Michael wouldn't Brightstar be the one's who would know.......? Nope >>>>> $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia.... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Nope $olstra's sol supplier of mobile handsets doesn't know....?? Wot the.....?????? > > Michael wouldn't Brightstar be the one's who would know.......? > > Nope Michael's funny. ;) PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ > >> $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia.... > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > They use the dates supplied by Nokia, which are usually plucked out of > Nokia's arse Brightstar are the distributor, not Nokia. Who says they'll be supplying it the moment Nokia release it? PD SignaturePaul Day Web: http://www.enigma.id.au/ > >> $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia. Should I believe them.?? > > They use the dates supplied by Nokia, which are usually plucked out of > Nokia's arse And the latest plucked from Nokia Australia GM Shaun Colligan is not until at least the second half of 2007. http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21083841%5E15320%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html > > Does Nokia make a phone that it fully combatable with Telstras next G > > network? > > $olstra Shop told me March / April for a Next G Nokia.... > > Should I believe them.?? Time will tell if he's right. |
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