Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / September 2007
Say goodbye to CDMA, say hello to Next G wireless broadband
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Alan Parkington - 21 Sep 2007 06:29 GMT In flyers being sent out with the AGM Notice of Meeting, Telstra is letting its 1.5 million shareholders know it is on track to close down the ageing CDMA network on 28 January 2008, and Government intervention in the process is unnecessary.
Telstra is committed to closing down the CMDA network only after the new Next GT wireless broadband network can provide the guaranteed coverage that is the same or better than the coverage guaranteed by the old CDMA network.
In spite of Telstra's firm guarantee, the Federal Government has decided impose a licence condition that requires Telstra to do exactly what it has already promised - which is to guarantee that consumers have the same or better coverage than CDMA.
Telstra says the the Government's approach just creates additional red tape and compliance costs for Telstra shareholders, fosters uncertainty in the marketplace, and wastes taxpayers' money.
Rod Speed - 21 Sep 2007 07:15 GMT > In flyers being sent out with the AGM Notice of Meeting, Telstra is letting its 1.5 million shareholders know it is on > track to close > down the ageing CDMA network on 28 January 2008, Just more telstra lies. And it aint 'ageing', they just want to shaft those who were stupid enough to sign up with telstra for a system that telstra has a monopoly on and can shaft them like that.
> and Government intervention in the process is unnecessary. If that was actually true, why are they howling ?
No one is actually gunna buy that lie.
> Telstra is committed to closing down the CMDA network only after the new Next GT wireless broadband network can > provide the guaranteed coverage that is the same or better than the coverage guaranteed by the old CDMA network. And the govt aint about to let them decide whether that is true or not.
Cant imagine why for the life of me.
> In spite of Telstra's firm guarantee, Which the govt clearly doesnt believe.
Cant imagine why for the life of me.
> the Federal Government has decided impose a licence condition that requires Telstra to do exactly what it has already > promised - which is to guarantee that consumers have the same or better coverage than CDMA. But they aint actually stupid enough to let telstra decide if that has happened.
Cant imagine why for the life of me.
> Telstra says the the Government's approach just creates additional > red tape and compliance costs for Telstra shareholders, fosters > uncertainty in the marketplace, and wastes taxpayers' money. Thats what you get when you lose a stoush that you cant possible win with the govt, fuckwits.
Like it or lump it or f.ck off back where you came from and take your NextG abortion with you.
ARRRRRGH - 23 Sep 2007 08:54 GMT Rod,
I rarely agree with you, but Sol and friends will be responsible for the loss of Telstra's licence in the end. All shareholders, employees and customers should unite to get rid of these fuckwits.
>> In flyers being sent out with the AGM Notice of Meeting, Telstra is >> letting its 1.5 million shareholders know it is on track to close [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Like it or lump it or f.ck off back where you came from and take your > NextG abortion with you. Simon Templar - 23 Sep 2007 10:38 GMT > Rod, > > I rarely agree with you, but Sol and friends will be responsible for the > loss of Telstra's licence in the end. All shareholders, employees and > customers should unite to get rid of these fuckwits. Sol and friends don't give a sh.t about Tel$tra or Australia. They are gutting Tel$tra and taking what they can before it goes under and they return to where they came from!
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Rod Speed - 23 Sep 2007 10:59 GMT > ARRRRRGH wrote
>> Rod,
>> I rarely agree with you, but Sol and friends will be responsible for the loss of Telstra's licence in the end. All >> shareholders, >> employees and customers should unite to get rid of these fuckwits.
> Sol and friends don't give a sh.t about Tel$tra or Australia. They're actually so stupid that they dont have a clue about the damage they are doing.
The stupid Mex has done the same thing, time after time after time.
There's a reason it ended up having to take what it could get here.
> They are gutting Tel$tra and taking what they can before it goes under Even they cant gut telstra.
> and they return to where they came from! Sure, they'll eventually get the bums rush, just like the stupid mex has got repeatedly already.
That fool McGauchie should be strung up by the shareholders.
Alan Parkington - 23 Sep 2007 13:18 GMT >> Sol and friends don't give a sh.t about Tel$tra or Australia. > > They're actually so stupid that they dont have a clue about the damage > they are doing. So you "care" about Australia by supporting a foreign government via Optus? That is really helpful, speedy..
> The stupid Mex has done the same thing, time after time after time. Rubbish. Provide proof of this..
> Even they cant gut telstra. They have made it a better company.
>> and they return to where they came from! > > Sure, they'll eventually get the bums rush, just like the stupid mex has > got repeatedly already. > > That fool McGauchie should be strung up by the shareholders. You're just jealous because the best you could manage was a PMG deliveryboy, until you fell of your red bike. Been on compo since..
Kwyjibo - 23 Sep 2007 16:39 GMT >>> Sol and friends don't give a sh.t about Tel$tra or Australia. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Optus? > That is really helpful, speedy.. And you 'care' about Australia by supporting a foreigner that is doing his best to dismantle and discredit one of Australia's largest employers?
>> The stupid Mex has done the same thing, time after time after time. > Rubbish. Provide proof of this.. http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/index.php?page=transcript&dte=2006-09-20&headlin eid=1184
"Just over two years after Sol Trujillo took over at Graviton, the company had burnt through nearly all its money and was heading for collapse"
"In mid-1999 the commission initiated proceedings investigating whether the company was in breach of its service obligations. The period of investigation covered 16 months, from January 1998 through April 1999 - a period when Sol Trujillo was CEO and chairman of US West. The commission's own staff testified that at a time when demand for phone services was booming, US West investment in plant and equipment was declining."
"They remember Sol Trujillo in Oregon as well. In particular, I'm interested in what they remember in rural areas. I reach Oakridge, where Sue Bond is the Mayor. SUE BOND, MAYOR OF OAKRIDGE: We had very poor service. Our service was out 20% percent of the time at least, more in the winter. The lines were poor, the connections were poor. Lot of static on the lines. "
"his promises to invest in infrastructure from 1995 to 1999 and make service better and instead it continued to deteriorate. "
"I think what he did was to dramatically cut back on the amount of money spent serving customers "
"the US West board, under the chairmanship of Sol Trujillo, moved the dividend date of record back by a week and a half to July 10. This meant the dividend, totalling $270 million, was never paid (to shareholders) because by that time, US West no longer existed. "
"In that situation the shareholders didn't get their 53 cents per share but Sol Trujillo walked out with $70 million. Coincidentally, the law suit that affected the rights of ten thousands of people was settled for $50 million. So they've got to divvy up $50 million, whereas one man walks away with over $70 million. That's not right. "
And then there's this: http://apcmag.com/6160/the_wiggles_more_trusted_than_telstra_ceo_reader_survey
He only just beat David Hicks and Sheik al-Hilali in the 'who would you trust' stakes.
>> Even they cant gut telstra. > They have made it a better company. The share price doesn't reflect that claim. Maybe if he concentrated on running the company and supporting Telstra's customers (i.e Doing his f.cking job), rather than pointlessly attacking the government and the ACCC, the share price might be doing a bit better.....
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Rod Speed - 23 Sep 2007 19:10 GMT > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Sol and friends don't give a sh.t about Tel$tra or Australia.
>> They're actually so stupid that they dont have a clue about the damage they are doing.
> So you "care" about Australia by supporting a foreign government via Optus? Yep, if thats what it takes to get a decent satellite service and to provide real competition to those yank arseholes 'running' telstra who are choosing to shaft the country on FTTN etc etc etc.
The LAST thing the govt should be doing is to be stupid enough to give telstra even more of a monopoly than it already has with wholesale broadband.
> That is really helpful, speedy.. Corse it is, fuckwit.
>> The stupid Mex has done the same thing, time after time after time.
> Rubbish. Provide proof of this.. Go and f.ck youself. Have a look at his record in every single one of the operations he f.cked up completely before he showed up here.
Every single one involved a pointless stoush with the regulatory authoritys, as he drove it into the ground.
>> Even they cant gut telstra.
> They have made it a better company. Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
In spades with completely f.cking up telstra/govt relations so that the govt takes every opportunity to f.ck telstra over now, most obviously with making an obscene gesture in telstra's general direction by awarding the contract for regional and rural broadband to Opel, imposing the license condition on the shutting of the cdma service, and the new capital city broadband where they will f.ck telstra over even more enthusiastically, you watch.
Even Labor will do that if the voters are actually stupid enough to elect them too.
>>> and they return to where they came from!
>> Sure, they'll eventually get the bums rush, just like the stupid mex has got repeatedly already.
>> That fool McGauchie should be strung up by the shareholders. <reams of your puerile sh.t any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
Kwyjibo - 24 Sep 2007 00:41 GMT >> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Every single one involved a pointless stoush with the > regulatory authoritys, Except for the cases where his relationship with the regulator was thought to be a little too 'cozy'.
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Rod Speed - 24 Sep 2007 00:51 GMT >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Except for the cases where his relationship with the regulator was > thought to be a little too 'cozy'. There's been f.ck all of those.
Alan Parkington - 24 Sep 2007 09:25 GMT >> Every single one involved a pointless stoush with the >> regulatory authoritys, Yes, Sol has had run-ins with politicians. But to be honest, he has only had them because he fights for Telstra at every opportunity. After all, that is the job that shareholders expect of him. If anything, he is guilty of caring too much.
John Henderson - 24 Sep 2007 10:15 GMT > Yes, Sol has had run-ins with politicians. But to be honest, > he has only had them because he fights for Telstra at every > opportunity. After all, that is the job that shareholders > expect of him. If anything, he is guilty of caring too much. Being American, he's obviously got no idea about the importance of caring for customers and staff in order to build shareholder value.
John
Will Kemp - 24 Sep 2007 10:36 GMT >>> Every single one involved a pointless stoush with the regulatory >>> authoritys, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that is the job that shareholders expect of him. If anything, he is > guilty of caring too much. You wearing brown lipstick again? Or is that something else around your mouth?
My arse the seppo fights for Tel$cum at any opportunity. He takes any opportunity to start a pointless fight that he can't win and which ultimately does damage to Tel$cum.
He's like one of those morons you don't want to go to the pub with, because he's guaranteed to pick a fight - and you're likely to get a fist in your face because of him.
Rod Speed - 24 Sep 2007 19:10 GMT > Rod Speed wrote
>> Every single one involved a pointless stoush with the regulatory authoritys,
> Yes, Sol has had run-ins with politicians. And ended up getting the bums rush from every single one.
There might just be a reason why he ended up here, fuckwit.
> But to be honest, he has only had them because he fights for Telstra at every opportunity. Pity that he's so stupid that he cant manage to work out that he cant possibly win a stoush with the govt.
> After all, that is the job that shareholders expect of him. Pigs arse it is when he ends up losing every single stoush with the govt.
> If anything, he is guilty of caring too much. Pity that he's so stupid that he cant manage to work out that he cant possibly win a stoush with the govt.
And too stupid to even be able to work out what the situation is here before he accepted the job.
Corse he was desperate after he had got the bums rush from everywhere else and will get the bums rush from here too, you watch.
In spades if the voters are actually stupid enough to elect Rudd and fools like Tanner get to use the govt shareholding in Telstra to get rid of McGauchie and the stupid yanks he was stupid enough to import.
Simon Templar - 23 Sep 2007 20:34 GMT > So you "care" about Australia by supporting a foreign government via Optus? > That is really helpful, speedy.. This would have to be the lamest excuse out! Don't give me this crap about Optarse and revenue going off shore, Sol and his mate's are taking as much as they can out of Tel$tra and putting it offshore before they completely f.ck the company and bolt back to the US!
The Government should have kept Tel$tra and made it infrastructure only and NEVER deal with the public again. Resellers could have created the competition. Too late now, that will never happen and as a result we are the laughing stock of the world when it comes to Telecommunications and the Internet.
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Rod Speed - 23 Sep 2007 22:13 GMT > Alan Parkington wrote
>> So you "care" about Australia by supporting a foreign government via Optus? That is really helpful, speedy..
> This would have to be the lamest excuse out! We in fact got rid of a sink for out taxes when we got rid of the satellites to Optarse.
> Don't give me this crap about Optarse and revenue going off shore, Not that much revenue goes offshore in that case.
> Sol and his mate's are taking as much as they can out of Tel$tra and putting it offshore Thats peanuts too.
> before they completely f.ck the company Even they cant f.ck telstra.
The most they can do is f.ck the relations between telstra and the govt.
> and bolt back to the US! I doubt the US will have those clowns any decade soon employment wise.
> The Government should have kept Tel$tra and made it infrastructure only No thanks, thats never worked anywhere in the entire world.
> and NEVER deal with the public again. Resellers could have created the competition. Pity that there would have been no competition with the infrastructure, just where the problem lies.
> Too late now, that will never happen Correct.
> and as a result we are the laughing stock of the world when it comes to Telecommunications and the Internet. Mindlessly silly. The mobile system here leaves that in the US for dead.
The internet is comparable to what the rest of the first world has.
The only real exception is tiny little pimple of countrys which have a MUCH higher population density than we do where fibre to the home is economically feasible when the govt has paid for it.
Will Kemp - 24 Sep 2007 09:49 GMT >>> Sol and friends don't give a sh.t about Tel$tra or Australia. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So you "care" about Australia by supporting a foreign government via > Optus? That is really helpful, speedy.. Where does Tel$cum get it's equipment from and the phones it sells? All Australian made?
And the seppos clearly don't care about Australia - or Tel$cum, for that matter!
Craig Welch - 24 Sep 2007 22:48 GMT > So you "care" about Australia by supporting a foreign government via Optus? 'Telstra' != 'Australia'.
But in any case, is it your argument that no Australian company should buy services from a foreign entity?
Further, do you argue that no foreign entity should buy services or products from Australian companies?
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Alan Parkington - 24 Sep 2007 23:45 GMT > But in any case, is it your argument that no Australian company should buy > services from a foreign entity? > > Further, do you argue that no foreign entity should buy services or > products from Australian companies? Not always.. but where available, we should buy local products first.
1, Australia made & owned 2. Australia made or owned
I like to buy my kids a job. Unfortunately it seems this country will soon be just a branch office of some foreign power.
Simon Templar - 25 Sep 2007 03:48 GMT > I like to buy my kids a job. Corruption at it's best, sling some prick money just to get your kids out of your hair and they 'think' they have a job!
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Alan Parkington - 25 Sep 2007 05:25 GMT >> I like to buy my kids a job. > > Corruption at it's best, sling some prick money just to get your kids out > of your hair and they 'think' they have a job! Look at it this way, Simon. How many other successful countries sell off their national assets?.. None.
Simon Templar - 25 Sep 2007 05:46 GMT > Look at it this way, Simon. How many other successful countries sell off > their national assets?.. None. Well I agree Tel$tra should NEVER have been sold off. I would have preferred to have seen it become Wholesale only, be responsible for a single infrastructure Australia wide and NEVER deal direct with the public again. Unfortunately it will NEVER happen.
The current situation we have for mobile and broadband infrastructure is hopeless and only encourages companies to set up where they can make the most money and screw the rest of the country. Tel$tra is just as guilty as all the others when it comes to this, with all their exchanges capable of ADSL2+ but refusing to enable them because they don't want to be told to wholesale ADSL2+!
As for your argument of keeping money here in Australia, it is total CRAP because Sol and his mates are stripping as much as they can from Tel$tra and putting it in their US bank accounts.
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Rod Speed - 25 Sep 2007 07:07 GMT > Alan Parkington wrote
>> Look at it this way, Simon. How many other successful countries sell off their national assets?.. None.
> Well I agree Tel$tra should NEVER have been sold off. More fool you.
> I would have preferred to have seen it become Wholesale only, be responsible for a single infrastructure Australia > wide and NEVER deal direct with the public again. You cant list even a single country thats done it that way.
There might just be a reason for that.
> Unfortunately it will NEVER happen. Yep, even labor aint actually THAT stupid.
The only reason they didnt flog telecom off was because the unions wouldnt let them.
> The current situation we have for mobile and broadband infrastructure is hopeless Not a f.cking clue, as always.
> and only encourages companies to set up where they can > make the most money and screw the rest of the country. Have fun explaining how come telstra drove down the price of the lowest price adsl to levels it had not been seen previously.
> Tel$tra is just as guilty as all the others when it comes to this, with all their exchanges capable of ADSL2+ No they arent.
> but refusing to enable them because they don't want to be told to wholesale ADSL2+! Thats just the stupid fuckwit yanks.
> As for your argument of keeping money here in Australia, it is total CRAP because Sol and his mates are stripping as > much as they can from Tel$tra and putting it in their US bank accounts. Its peanuts in telstra's total cash flow.
Rod Speed - 25 Sep 2007 07:02 GMT > Simon Templar <usenet@vk3xem.net> wrote
>>> I like to buy my kids a job.
>> Corruption at it's best, sling some prick money just to get your kids out of your hair and they 'think' they have a >> job!
> Look at it this way, Simon. How many other successful countries sell off their national assets?.. Some werent actually stupid enough to have a govt owned telecoms monopoly in the first place.
> None. Pig ignorant bare faced lie. The vast bulk of modern first world countrys that used to have a national govt telco have flogged that off.
Will Kemp - 26 Sep 2007 10:24 GMT >>> I like to buy my kids a job. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Look at it this way, Simon. How many other successful countries sell off > their national assets?.. None. Australia isn't and never has been a "successful" country, in that case. Because the entire economy of this country is based on digging assets out of the ground and selling them overseas, or cutting down assets from the forests and selling them overseas, or running sheep or cattle on the assets (and trashing them in the process usually) and selling them overseas.
Australia's the only banana republic with a queen!
Craig Welch - 26 Sep 2007 11:30 GMT > Australia isn't and never has been a "successful" country, in that case. > Because the entire economy of this country is based on digging assets out > of the ground and selling them overseas, or cutting down assets from the > forests and selling them overseas, or running sheep or cattle on the > assets (and trashing them in the process usually) and selling them > overseas. You seem to have just described a rather successful country.
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Will Kemp - 26 Sep 2007 11:47 GMT >> Australia isn't and never has been a "successful" country, in that >> case. Because the entire economy of this country is based on digging [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You seem to have just described a rather successful country. Exactly.
Rod Speed - 25 Sep 2007 07:00 GMT > Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg> wrote
>> But in any case, is it your argument that no Australian company should buy services from a foreign entity?
>> Further, do you argue that no foreign entity should buy services or products from Australian companies?
> Not always.. but where available, we should buy local products first. Even telstra aint actually that stupid.
Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that they have employed some fuckwit yanks.
> 1, Australia made & owned > 2. Australia made or owned Tell telstra.
> I like to buy my kids a job. There's no shortage of jobs with an unemployment rate of 4.x%
It makes a hell of a lot more sense to have real competition because that makes telstra deliver decent prices etc.
> Unfortunately it seems this country will soon be just a branch office of some foreign power. Not a f.cking clue, as always.
And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that telstra has employed some fuckwit yanks.
Do the decent thing and set fire to yourself outside corporate HQ or sumfin.
Will Kemp - 26 Sep 2007 10:29 GMT >> But in any case, is it your argument that no Australian company should >> buy services from a foreign entity? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Not always.. but where available, we should buy local products first. How many of you are there?
How ever many there are, yous can buy what you like! And i'll buy what i like, thanks!
Anyway, you're full of sh.t, cos almost everything *you* buy comes from overseas - and if it doesn't, a proportion of it does.
Rod Speed - 23 Sep 2007 10:55 GMT > Rod,
> I rarely agree with you, That didnt last long |-)
> but Sol and friends will be responsible for the loss of Telstra's licence in the end. I doubt it. Even McGauchie aint actually THAT stupid.
> All shareholders, employees and customers should unite to get rid of these fuckwits. Sure, they should get the bums rush, right back where they came from.
McGauchie should go with them.
>>> In flyers being sent out with the AGM Notice of Meeting, Telstra is >>> letting its 1.5 million shareholders know it is on track to close [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> Like it or lump it or f.ck off back where you came from and take your >> NextG abortion with you. Michael - 23 Sep 2007 12:38 GMT > Rod, > > I rarely agree with you, but Sol and friends will be responsible for the > loss of Telstra's licence in the end. All shareholders, employees and > customers should unite to get rid of these fuckwits. Sol will be responsible for whatever happens. Either make or break
>>> In flyers being sent out with the AGM Notice of Meeting, Telstra is >>> letting its 1.5 million shareholders know it is on track to close [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> Like it or lump it or f.ck off back where you came from and take your >> NextG abortion with you. Simon Templar - 23 Sep 2007 20:37 GMT > Sol will be responsible for whatever happens. Either make or break His track record indicates that he will break it and f.ck off back to the US with all the money!
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Rod Speed - 23 Sep 2007 22:14 GMT > Michael wrote
>> Sol will be responsible for whatever happens. Either make or break
> His track record indicates that he will break it Even the mex cant break telstra, you watch.
The most he can break is govt relations.
> and f.ck off back to the US with all the money! He cant do that either.
Kwyjibo - 21 Sep 2007 09:34 GMT > In flyers being sent out with the AGM Notice of Meeting, Telstra is > letting its 1.5 million shareholders know it is on track <blah blah> 1.5 million flyers. More money down the drain that could have been used to assist with upgrades, or paid to shareholders as dividends. Good one Telstra, you useless pack of fuckwits.
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