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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / November 2007What is wrong with Next G?
I see lots of people here criticizing Next G, calling it Extra G or Last G. What do people have against Next G? Telstra are using the same UMTS and HSDPA standards as 3 Mobile and many other carriers worldwide (especially in Europe). My only criticism with Next G is the way they try to force the cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your throats instead of the superior phones from major players like Motorola. > My only criticism with Next G is the way they > try to force the cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your throats > instead of the superior phones from major players like Motorola. A friend of mine was with Tel$tra since the analogue days and a few months ago was due to upgrade. He requested an N95 and Tel$tra said NO it doesn't meet the standards of the 3G (2100MHz) network, which is the biggest load of CRAP out considering it shares the same network with 3 who sell the N95! My friend is now on 3 with an N95 and spending less than half of what he was on Tel$tra AND using the phone MORE. Considering Tel$tra are forcing sh.t like the ZTE on customers it is obvious the only reason the N95 doesn't meet Tel$tra's is because the couldn't get them at the price they wanted! So much for standards!  SignatureThe views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452> > > My only criticism with Next G is the way they > > try to force the cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your throats [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > biggest load of CRAP out considering it shares the same network with 3 > who sell the N95! NextG is not UMTS-2100MHz. It is 850MHz, not all handsets support UMTS-850. Telstra/3 have their shared 2100MHz network, the N95 will work fine on that. Telstra will happily sell you a Nokia 6120C, which can talk UMTS-850. Matt. > NextG is not UMTS-2100MHz. It is 850MHz, not all handsets support UMTS-850. s/not all/few/ > Telstra/3 have their shared 2100MHz network, the N95 will work fine on > that. Telstra will happily sell you a Nokia 6120C, which can talk > UMTS-850. ...and UMTS 2100. Handy for when you're roaming overseas and still want useable data speeds/latency. POP3SSL over GPRS back to Oz is painful. PD SignaturePaul Day > I see lots of people here criticizing Next G, calling it Extra G or Last G. What do people have against Next G? Three things, it uses a band that no one else bothers with for that mode, so the choice of handset is pathetic. The other problem is that most of those who find cdma is fine for what they want to do have no need to change to NextG if it wasnt for the arsehole yanks deciding to turn the cdma system off to force everyone to change over. The data charges are a complete ripoff. > Telstra are using the same UMTS and HSDPA standards as 3 Mobile and many other carriers worldwide (especially in > Europe). But they dont use the same band. > My only criticism with Next G is the way they try to force the cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your throats > instead of the superior phones from major players like Motorola. The main problem is the pathetic choice of handsets. > I see lots of people here criticizing Next G, calling it Extra G or Last > G. What do people have against Next G? Telstra are using the same UMTS > and HSDPA standards as 3 Mobile and many other carriers worldwide > (especially in Europe). No they're not. They're using 850MHz UMTS - that's not what they use in Europe. I'm going to Europe soon and i'll only be able to use my Samsung phone on the GSM network, cos it's not compatible with European UMTS networks. > My only criticism with Next G is the way they > try to force the cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your throats > instead of the superior phones from major players like Motorola. That's because manufacturers don't want to make special phones for a very small Australian market. Telstra are up to their usual stupid tricks and making sure people in rural areas are disadvantaged when they take their phones anywhere else. > No they're not. They're using 850MHz UMTS - that's not what > they use in Europe. I'm going to Europe soon and i'll only be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That's because manufacturers don't want to make special phones > for a very small Australian market. They're counting on 850 MHz UMTS taking off in the USA, driving the availability of handsets. There's a problem with the proliferation of UMTS frequencies in the USA though. Live UMTS networks there use 850 and 1900 MHz, not the 850 and 2100 MHz we use here. But there are planned US UMTS networks using 2100 and 1700 MHz. See http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml John > Telstra are up to their usual stupid tricks and making sure > people in rural areas are disadvantaged when they take their > phones anywhere else. > > No they're not. They're using 850MHz UMTS - that's not what > > they use in Europe. I'm going to Europe soon and i'll only be [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - Show quoted text - According to gsm world, there's about 70 carriers in the USA, 27 of which are 850 and one is the planned 1700. > > - Show quoted text - > According to gsm world, there's about 70 carriers in the USA, 27 of > which are 850 Only two (2) of which are _3G_ 850, one which apepars to be a new small ma and pa operation. So that really only leavs AT&T and Telstra as the only two in the world with UMTS at 850MHz, with Telstra being the first cab off the rank. They will come though... 850 and 900MHz UMTS has its distinct advantages and others are looking into it (eg, Optus and Telecom NZ). PD SignaturePaul Day > Only two (2) of which are _3G_ 850, one which apepars to be a new small > ma and pa operation. So that really only leavs AT&T and Telstra as the > only two in the world with UMTS at 850MHz, with Telstra being the first > cab off the rank. Actually, I think Rogers in Canada have/are deploying one too. PD SignaturePaul Day "850 and 900MHz UMTS has its distinct advantages" Please explain... >> > - Show quoted text - > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > PD > "850 and 900MHz UMTS has its distinct advantages" > Please explain... A 850Mhz transmission is useable further from the base station than a 2100MHz one at the same power, resulting in less cells being required to cover the same (sparesly populated) area, thus saving cost. I think when Optus did the maths earlier this year, they felt they'd save 40% on the project cost if they used UMTS at 900MHz instead of 2100MHz to match their current GSM footprint. PD SignaturePaul Day > Telstra are up to their usual stupid tricks and making sure people in > rural areas are disadvantaged when they take their phones anywhere else. To what end? >I see lots of people here criticizing Next G, calling it Extra G or Last G. Like it or lump it. Makes absolutely no sense to allow telstra to rape the consumer using NextG. > What do people have against Next G? Telstra are using the same UMTS and > HSDPA standards as 3 Mobile and many other carriers worldwide (especially > in Europe). My only criticism with Next G is the way they try to force the > cheap Asian phones (from ZTE/LG) down your throats instead of the superior > phones from major players like Motorola. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >I see lots of people here criticizing Next G, calling it Extra G or Last G. >What do people have against Next G? Telstra are using the same UMTS and >HSDPA standards as 3 Mobile and many other carriers worldwide (especially Dunno, most of the people here are just a pack of w.nkers >>I see lots of people here criticizing Next G, calling it Extra G or Last >>G. What do people have against Next G? Telstra are using the same UMTS >>and HSDPA standards as 3 Mobile and many other carriers worldwide >>(especially > > Dunno, most of the people here are just a pack of w.nkers And the rest are tel$cum apologists, ey? Jonathan Wilson wrote... > I see lots of people here criticizing Next G, calling it Extra G or Last G. > What do people have against Next G? Telstra are using the same UMTS and I'm a NextG customer. Technically it's OK, insofar as making calls go. Its data services aren't that flash. I've played with video calls. They were nothing like the ads that I'm seeing on TV at the moment. The images on the ads make it look like fluid broadcast quality. WHereas my experience is akin to a jerky webcam. Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the minimum speed that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 kbps. Then there is the cost of data. Casual "pay as you go" rates are expensive. You can buy data packs but while not as expensive as the other rates, they're still not cheap, and for the average user, I doubt that you'd want to use it that much. As for the phones, I can only speak of the Samsung A501 and more recently, a Palm Treo 750. As phones go, the Samsung's a better bit of gear. But the Palm is pretty nifty with its PDA and "smart" phone features. I've yet to test the Palm's reception qualities out of town. If it performs better than what the Samsung did down Phillip Island next weekend, I'll be happy. > Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the minimum speed > that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 kbps. How where you using the phone as a modem? Bluetooth? USB? I regularly get 2Mbps+ > Then there is the cost of data. Casual "pay as you go" rates are expensive. You > can buy data packs but while not as expensive as the other rates, they're still > not cheap, and for the average user, I doubt that you'd want to use it that > much. The casual PAYG rate has dropped from $15/MB to $2/MB in the past week so that is a HUGE cut in data rates plus the value of the data packs has increased significantly as well. >> Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the >> minimum speed that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 kbps. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> other rates, they're still not cheap, and for the average user, I >> doubt that you'd want to use it that much. > The casual PAYG rate has dropped from $15/MB to $2/MB in the past week so that is a HUGE cut in data rates Pity its STILL a complete f.cking ripoff. > plus the value of the data packs has increased significantly as well. Pity its STILL a complete f.cking ripoff. >> Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the minimum >> speed that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 kbps. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > The casual PAYG rate has dropped from $15/MB to $2/MB in the past week Wow! Only $2000 a GB!!! That means only $40,000 for 20GB, ey? That's amazingly competitive! The ADSL companies are going to have to pick up their act a bit if they're going manage to stay in business now! sh.t! That's such a good deal i think i'm going to have to start downloading movies right now! >>> Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the minimum >>> speed that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 kbps. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Wow! Only $2000 a GB!!! Given that you're saving $13,000/GB over the old casual pricing it's a big discount. If you don't like the pricing then use another service. >>>> Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the >>>> minimum speed that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 kbps. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > If you don't like the pricing then use another service. I don't like the pricing. And i do use another service. Thanks for your helpful suggestion. >>>>> Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the >>>>> minimum speed that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 kbps. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I don't like the pricing. And i do use another service. Thanks for your > helpful suggestion. f.ck off Kemp. >>>>>> Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the >>>>>> minimum speed that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > f.ck off Kemp. Ah, the ever friendly and helpful voice of tel$cum. > Ah, the ever friendly and helpful voice of tel$cum. Yes, it's more honest when the comtempt for the public/customers is out in the open. Michael does a great job in this respect. John >>>> Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the >>>> minimum speed that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Given that you're saving $13,000/GB over the old casual pricing it's a big discount. Both are an utterly obscene ripoff. > If you don't like the pricing then use another service. Only a fool would use NextG for data of any volume. You qualify. > Only a fool would use NextG for data of any volume. Precisely. >> Only a fool would use NextG for data of any volume. > > Precisely. only a fool would use NextG without a data pack for any volume for anyone else, NextG is very suitable >>> Only a fool would use NextG for data of any volume. >> >> Precisely. > only a fool would use NextG without a data pack for any volume > > for anyone else, NextG is very suitable Wrong. The data charges are STILL utterly obscene even with the data packs. >>>> Only a fool would use NextG for data of any volume. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Wrong. The data charges are STILL utterly obscene even with the data > packs. maybe for pensioners like you > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> mattic <this@wontwork.com> wrote >>>>> Only a fool would use NextG for data of any volume. >>>> Precisely. >> only a fool would use NextG without a data pack for any volume >>> for anyone else, NextG is very suitable >> Wrong. The data charges are STILL utterly obscene even with the data packs. > maybe for pensioners like you Not a pensioner, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>> mattic <this@wontwork.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Not a pensioner, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. heh. davmel wrote... > If you don't like the pricing then use another service. Dunno about Will's circumstances, but I don't have that luxury. So, I don't use the service at all. > davmel wrote... > >> If you don't like the pricing then use another service. > > Dunno about Will's circumstances, but I don't have that luxury. So, I > don't use the service at all. My circumstances are that i'm stuck with crappy dialup. Even if i felt inclined to waste the hundreds of dollars a month it would cost me to get a minimal internet service via nextg, i wouldn't - because i refuse to give tel$cum that sort of money for virtually nothing. If i wanted broad-ish-band internet badly enough, i'd get satellite. But i figured it wasn't worth paying out all that money for installation and then get stuck with a 2 year contract, when Opel's service will be along in a few months anyway - and it will be better than satellite. Will Kemp wrote... > My circumstances are that i'm stuck with crappy dialup. Even if i felt Have you considered ISDN? I know that it's a Telstra product, but ISDN Home, together with Bigpond ISDN isn't that bad when all things are considered. You get "two" phone "lines" and a 128k service. Caller ID is free and the Bigpond service has no download limits. And yeah, it IS significantly quicker than dialup, with 128/128 speeds, there's bugger all lag compared to a dialup connection. Also, where are you located? There are regional ISPs which are now offering some fairly good deals on Satellite (well, they're "good" for satellite). Wideband Networks is one. http://www.wideband.net.au/ http://www.wideband.net.au/satellite_plans.html 256K/64K 500Mb $29.95 512K/128K 1Gb $39.95 512K/128K 3Gb $79.95 512K/128K 5Gb $124.95 1024K/256K 1Gb $49.95 1024K/256K 3Gb $94.95 1024K/256K 5Gb $139.95 > Will Kemp wrote... > >> My circumstances are that i'm stuck with crappy dialup. Even if i felt > > Have you considered ISDN? Hmmm... It crossed my mind. But i couldn't be bothered with it really. > I know that it's a Telstra product, but ISDN Home, together with Bigpond > ISDN isn't that bad when all things are considered. You get "two" phone [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And yeah, it IS significantly quicker than dialup, with 128/128 speeds, > there's bugger all lag compared to a dialup connection. Maybe i should have looked into it. We've got it at work and it's not too bad. > Also, where are you located? Arnhem Land, NT. > There are regional ISPs which are now > offering some fairly good deals on Satellite (well, they're "good" for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 1024K/256K 3Gb $94.95 > 1024K/256K 5Gb $139.95 Hmmm... Those are bloody good rates for satellite. And no contract period! I'm out of here in a few weeks though, so it's not worth bothering about - i'm going to ADSL land! ;-) I wish i'd found that satellite service when i got here though - not having to pay for a landline would have almost covered the monthly charge on its own! No bloody installation fee, either (it looks like i'm just inside a spot beam coverage area). Thanks for that, anyway. >> Will Kemp wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Thanks for that, anyway. Oh, Victoria only... Wouldn't have been much good to me anyway! >>> Will Kemp wrote... >>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Oh, Victoria only... Wouldn't have been much good to me anyway! There are other similar ones that arent Vic only. Will Kemp wrote... > Hmmm... Those are bloody good rates for satellite. And no contract > period! I'm out of here in a few weeks though, so it's not worth > bothering about - i'm going to ADSL land! ;-) Firstly, I'm not sure if they're available to people outside of this ISP's region. > I wish i'd found that satellite service when i got here though - not It's only been introduced in the past couple of weeks. But there are other ISPs with comparable packages. Signature"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." - Einstein > Opel's service will be along > in a few months anyway - and it will be better than satellite. Pffffft! This "Opel" doesn't exist. No CEO, no staff, they don't even have a carrier licence! Their coverage maps are a joke, just a series of circles drawn around 10 and 20 cent coins, they take in to account none of the gegraphical features of the land and are just complete fantasy. good call mattic. thats 2 posts of yours I like >> Opel's service will be along >> in a few months anyway - and it will be better than satellite. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and 20 cent coins, they take in to account none of the gegraphical > features of the land and are just complete fantasy. > Given that you're saving $13,000/GB over the old casual pricing it's a > big discount. > > If you don't like the pricing then use another service. What a f.cking ridiculous argument, you terminal fuckwit. That's like saying "Given we're going to rape you up the arse with blunt butchers knife instead of an electrified welding arc, it's a big improvement!" TLS Sycophant. >> Given that you're saving $13,000/GB over the old casual pricing it's a >> big discount. >> >> If you don't like the pricing then use another service. > > What a f.cking ridiculous argument, you terminal fuckwit. It's not an 'argument' FUCKWIT. It's a simple statement that expresses our freedom to choose what services we choose to pay for. If you don't have competition to choose from then build your own network. Companies aren't going to spend an obscene amount of money for little to no profit just to stop you whining like a baby. >>> Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the minimum >>> speed that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 kbps. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > That means only $40,000 for 20GB, ey? That's amazingly competitive! The No, there isnt a 20gb data pack for $40000, fuckwit > sh.t! That's such a good deal i think i'm going to have to start > downloading movies right now! Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month Maybe you are that fuckwit :-) >>>> Download speeds when using the phone as a modem were under the >>>> minimum speed that Telstra classes as "broadband" at around 236 kbps. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > No, there isnt a 20gb data pack for $40000, fuckwit I've told you before about eating those mushrooms for breakfast! >> sh.t! That's such a good deal i think i'm going to have to start >> downloading movies right now! > > Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month Only a fuckwit would use tel$cum at all if they didn't have a choice. > Maybe you are that fuckwit :-) There's no way i'd use any amount of data a month via nextg, little boy. And the nextg PAYG phones don't work anyway - so you can't use the network at all, not even your "5 milli bits in a month". >> Maybe you are that fuckwit :-) > > There's no way i'd use any amount of data a month via nextg, little boy. > And the nextg PAYG phones don't work anyway - so you can't use the > network at all, not even your "5 milli bits in a month". Good, you needn't be concerned with charging then Michael wrote... > > Wow! Only $2000 a GB!!! > > > > That means only $40,000 for 20GB, ey? That's amazingly competitive! The > > No, there isnt a 20gb data pack for $40000, fuckwit Whooosh.... > Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month 5MB? 5MB? WTF!!!!! Is this 1975 again you FUCKWIT? How the f.ck can anybody justify ANY service when anything over 5MB starts being excessive in cost. ROFL. LUDICROUS. >> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > LUDICROUS. Oh quit whining you little child. If you don't like the prices then build your own network or wait a long time before a competitor bothers to build a network with adequate coverage. >>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > build your own network or wait a long time before a competitor bothers > to build a network with adequate coverage. Stop whining about him whining! >>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > build your own network or wait a long time before a competitor bothers > to build a network with adequate coverage. Or just notice that Opel will be available soon. Too much for you tho. >>>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Or just notice that Opel will be available soon. Too much for you tho. I'll go on record now and say that Opel will never surface. This is a "company" that doesn't exist. There's no CEO, no staff, no premises, they don't even have a f.cking carrier licence ffs! Waltzing up to the Government and threatening to pull out of Australia unless Optus gets the billion bucks was a measured ploy by SingTel and maybe not so far from the truth given the woeful performance of Optus compared to other off-shore SingTel concerns. Of course, what WILL happen is O'Sullivan will sidle up again and say, "Look guys, this is a compete f.ck-up, it's going to fail and you'll look really stupid. Unless, of course, you stump up another billion; and another." >>>>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a >>>>> month [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> Or just notice that Opel will be available soon. Too much for you tho. > I'll go on record now and say that Opel will never surface. More fool you. > This is a "company" that doesn't exist. It will. > There's no CEO, no staff, no premises, There will be. > they don't even have a f.cking carrier licence ffs! They dont need one and if they do, they'll get one. > Waltzing up to the Government and threatening to pull out of Australia unless Optus gets the billion bucks Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child. The govt put that up for tender and both Optarse and Telstra put in bids, fuckwit. Telstra's was deliberately non compliant. > was a measured ploy by SingTel and maybe not so far from the truth given the woeful performance of > Optus compared to other off-shore SingTel concerns. Bare faced pig ignorant lie with their mobile service. > Of course, what WILL happen is O'Sullivan will sidle up again and say, "Look guys, this is a compete f.ck-up, it's > going to fail and you'll look really stupid. Unless, of course, you stump up another billion; and another." Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child. And it would STILL be much better to have real competition in rural areas so the consumers who cant get anything else are shafted with NextG utterly obscene data charges for any viable volume ANYWAY. After all, that money is only a tiny part of what the govt got when it flogged off telstra and its hilarious that that is being used to give telstra the shafting with a telephone pole that it so richly deserves. I bet which ever shinybum dreamt that one up is still wetting its pants laughing. >>>>>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a >>>>>> month [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > I bet which ever shinybum dreamt that one up is still wetting its pants > laughing. I always think of the Rev. Ian Paisley, whenever Rod talks. >>>>>>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a >>>>>>> month [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > I always think Obvious lie. Ear to ear dog sh.t isnt capable of thought. >>>>>>>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a >>>>>>>> month [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Obvious lie. Ear to ear dog sh.t isnt capable of thought. Excellent. I'm closing in. >>>>>>>>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a >>>>>>>>> month [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Excellent. I'm closing in. The only thing thats closing in is your head up your lard arse, as always. >>>>>>>>>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a >>>>>>>>>> month [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > The only thing thats closing in is your head up your lard arse, as always. Poor Rod! Not a good dissembler. mattic wrote... > I'll go on record now and say that Opel will never surface. Some anonymous poster called "mattic" going on record? Please, give us a break. > mattic wrote... > >> I'll go on record now and say that Opel will never surface. > > Some anonymous poster called "mattic" going on record? Please, give us a > break. I see what you mean. Though I'm not sure you should have been expecting Reuters. It is what it is. >> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month > > 5MB? 5MB? WTF!!!!! Calm down, youll have a coronary > Is this 1975 again you FUCKWIT? How the f.ck can anybody justify ANY > service when anything over 5MB starts being excessive in cost. Feel free to pay for PAYG rates for >5 mb if you like, its just extra revenue in telstra's pockets. everyone else has a data pack. total cost is all thats important >> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > LUDICROUS. Depends. Mobile data, no probs at all, I'd pay for the convenience and the speed. I certainly wouldn't be using it as my primary internet service. If I was, I'd be on ADSL or, if that wasn't available, the 3G plan @ $149 isn't unreasonable given that, if I did live where there wasn't ADSL, there's probably a really good reason why I chose to live there. I think that's what we miss when we talk about this subject. We talk as though internet access fast and cheap is our reason for living. Well, if it is, move to where you can get it. A major regional town, a cap city, the US of f.cking A, if that's your baby. If it's NOT important enough for you to move for, then stop whining because you are where you want to be for whatever reason is most important to you. Australia's a real twat for Telcos. Massive space, virtually zero population. When a suburb of Islamabad has 7 million people and can be covered with 5 base stations, you can see why SingTel and the others don't want to throw a cent the way of Australia. I love Australia and the region where I live. My internet needs are adequately catered for and, while not optimal and more expensive, there's no way I'd move from all the advantages this country and my region brings to my lifestyle. We all have choices. Stop whining about it. >>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > covered with 5 base stations, you can see why SingTel and the others > don't want to throw a cent the way of Australia. Have fun explaining what they have spent on mobile bases, and the satellite service too. > I love Australia and the region where I live. My internet needs are > adequately catered for and, while not optimal and more expensive, > there's no way I'd move from all the advantages this country and my > region brings to my lifestyle. We all have choices. Stop whining about it. Some of us actually have enough of a clue to get the lifestyle with as good a net service as is available in the capital citys. >>>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month >>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Some of us actually have enough of a clue to get the lifestyle > with as good a net service as is available in the capital citys. Why are you still whining, then? >>>>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a >>>>> month [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Why are you still whining, then? You wouldnt know what whining was if it bit you on your lard arse, child. >>>>>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a >>>>>> month [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > You wouldnt know what whining was if it bit you on your lard arse, child. Answer the question. mattic wrote... > I love Australia and the region where I live. My internet needs are > adequately catered for and, while not optimal and more expensive, there's no > way I'd move from all the advantages this country and my region brings to my > lifestyle. We all have choices. Stop whining about it. One of the problems with say, rural Australia is that in order for us to say, eat, or to say, have electricity, or to, say, have water to drink, or to say, have somewhere for our waste products to be pumped to and processed, then we have to accept that there will be people who need to live in those regions so these services can be provided for say, metro Melbourne. Now, if you want people to live there then you need to provide some sort of incentive. Make it attractive for people to either move there, or to stop them moving to, say, Melbourne. One way of doing this is to provide them with the same level of service in areas such as telecommunications that people in metro areas enjoy. One real area of concern is that of health services. It is difficult to entice doctors out of the larger cities, mainly because the opportunity to make big bucks isn't there. So, what we see are lots of "foreign trained" doctors being more or less forced to practise in such areas until they fulfil their commitment. Then they're out of there. Oh, don't even expect to retain specialists. If you're lucky, they'll visit these regions once every so often. SignatureThose who live by the sword get shot by those who don't. > mattic wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > bucks isn't there. So, what we see are lots of "foreign trained" doctors > bein Supply and demand, give more dollars Increase medicare rebate in that area if necessary > more or less forced to practise in such areas until they fulfil their > commitment. Then they're out of there. > > Oh, don't even expect to retain specialists. If you're lucky, they'll > visit > these regions once every so often. >> mattic wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Supply and demand, give more dollars > Increase medicare rebate in that area if necessary It aint about the money. >> more or less forced to practise in such areas until they fulfil their >> commitment. Then they're out of there. >> >> Oh, don't even expect to retain specialists. If you're lucky, they'll >> visit >> these regions once every so often. >>> One real area of concern is that of health services. It is difficult >>> to entice [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > It aint about the money. Of course it is, Rod f.cker. Youd find you would have all the doctors you need and more, if they were all on a wage of $500k (example) >>>> One real area of concern is that of health services. It is difficult to entice >>>> doctors out of the larger cities, mainly because the opportunity to make big >>>> bucks isn't there. So, what we see are lots of "foreign trained" doctors bein >>> Supply and demand, give more dollars >>> Increase medicare rebate in that area if necessary >> It aint about the money. > Of course it is Nope. > Youd find you would have all the doctors you need and more, if they were all on a wage of $500k (example) Have fun explaining the specialists who are on that sort of income, who arent interested in going there, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. Mine flys in and out every week, literally. He's an ex south african jew and there are no synagogs here, and he wants his kids to go to jewish private schools and there aint none of those here either. One hell of a way to 'live' and there are plenty of others who arent interested in that sort of lifestyle, even at that sort of income per year. As always, you have never ever had a f.cking clue about anything at all, ever. Rod Speed wrote... > > Youd find you would have all the doctors you need and more, if they were all on a wage of $500k (example) > > Have fun explaining the specialists who are on that sort of income, who > arent interested in going there, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. Maybe because they earn their dough from city practices and wouldn't get it if they had practices outside of the rural areas. That's why they're not interested in setting up shop outside of the cities, except as a once in a blue moon visit. > Rod Speed wrote >>> Youd find you would have all the doctors you need and >>> more, if they were all on a wage of $500k (example) >> Have fun explaining the specialists who are on that sort of income, who >> arent interested in going there, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Maybe because they earn their dough from city practices and > wouldn't get it if they had practices outside of the rural areas. > That's why they're not interested in setting up shop outside > of the cities, except as a once in a blue moon visit. This one flys in every week and spends the whole week here, just goes home on the weekends. He just commutes from Sydney because that works better for his family and his own weekend activitys. It isnt even that expensive, $250 a week. >>>>> One real area of concern is that of health services. It is difficult >>>>> to entice [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > jew and there are no synagogs here, and he wants his kids to go > to jewish private schools and there aint none of those here either. thats his problem >>>>>> One real area of concern is that of health services. It is >>>>>> difficult to entice [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > thats his problem Irrelevant to your mindlessly silly claim about how to fix that problem. > The casual PAYG rate has dropped from $15/MB to $2/MB in the past week > so that is a HUGE cut in data rates plus the value of the data packs > has increased significantly as well. 1.5c/kB to 0.2c/kB? Got a URL to that one? Any idea if the data packs are going down similarly? PD SignaturePaul Day >> The casual PAYG rate has dropped from $15/MB to $2/MB in the past week >> so that is a HUGE cut in data rates plus the value of the data packs >> has increased significantly as well. > > 1.5c/kB to 0.2c/kB? Got a URL to that one? Any idea if the data packs > are going down similarly? Consumer plans: http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/mobiles/prices/datapacks.htm Business plans: http://www.telstra.com.au/business/products/internetanddata/mobilebroadbanddatap lans/payasyougo.htm http://www.telstra.com.au/business/products/internetanddata/mobilebroadbanddatap lans/datapacks.htm > The casual PAYG rate has dropped from $15/MB to $2/MB in the past week > so that is a HUGE cut in data rates plus the value of the data packs > has increased significantly as well. Seems they've updated their FAQ: http://telstramobile.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/telstramobile.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp. php?p_faqid=2049&p_created=1140737554&p_sid=o*zIXzNi&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9 zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MyZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N 2PSZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PVBBWUc*&p_li=&p_topview=1 PD SignaturePaul Day davmel wrote... > The casual PAYG rate has dropped from $15/MB to $2/MB in the past week > so that is a HUGE cut in data rates plus the value of the data packs has > increased significantly as well. Depends on what you think the word "significantly" means. The top data pack has gone from 70 megs to 80 megs for the same amount - $29. Had you said, say, 100 megs, then yeah, I might have considered that as "significant". The lower end packs don't seem to have changed much, if at all. > davmel wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Depends on what you think the word "significantly" means. The top data pack has > gone from 70 megs to 80 megs for the same amount - $29. You're obviously not looking at the available data packs correctly. The previous top data pack was $179 for 2GB. You now get 3GB for $119 which is a big saving. http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/mobiles/prices/datapacks.htm Plus the excess rate on the lower data packs has dropped as well. davmel wrote... > > Depends on what you think the word "significantly" means. The top data pack has > > gone from 70 megs to 80 megs for the same amount - $29. > > You're obviously not looking at the available data packs correctly. The I was looking at the data packs that are available for my mobile service. I'm not interested in datapacks that aren't available for it. There'd be no point, would there? > previous top data pack was $179 for 2GB. You now get 3GB for $119 which > is a big saving. Depends on what you think the word "saving" means. SignatureFirst things first, but neccesarily in that order > davmel wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > not interested in datapacks that aren't available for it. There'd be no point, > would there? If you have ANY GSM/3G/NextG mobile service with Telstra those data packs ARE available. Just call up and add or remove them at will. Simple. >> previous top data pack was $179 for 2GB. You now get 3GB for $119 which >> is a big saving. > > Depends on what you think the word "saving" means. As per the dictionary: 1. Rescue from harm, danger, or loss. 2. Avoidance of excess expenditure; economy. 3. A reduction in expenditure or cost. 4. Something saved. If you were on the 2GB plan previously and paying $179 you can now pay $119/month to get 50% more data, hence a $60/month SAVING. Even a dickhead could work that one out. davmel wrote... > As per the dictionary: > 2. Avoidance of excess expenditure; economy. > If you were on the 2GB plan previously and paying $179 you can now pay > $119/month to get 50% more data, hence a $60/month SAVING. > > Even a dickhead could work that one out. I think that definition "2" above is what applies here, or indeed, to any Telstra product that you can avoid purchasing, or that you don't really need to keep that heart/lung machine going... SignatureI must confess, I was born at a very early age. - Groucho Marx >> davmel wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > expenditure; economy. 3. A reduction in expenditure or cost. 4. > Something saved. It'll be number 1 then, i guess. Cos it certainly ain't number 2. And it ain't number 3 - unless you were stupid enough to have been paying that extortionate price in the first place. > If you were on the 2GB plan previously and paying $179 you can now pay > $119/month to get 50% more data, hence a $60/month SAVING. Yeah, but if you weren't, you won't save anything at all by signing up for it now! > Even a dickhead could work that one out. Well, obviously not all dickheads could. |
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