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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / February 2008What is peculiar about Tel$tra NextG?
"HTC has launched a version of its Touch Dual for Telstra's NextG network. The Dual combines the touch-screen functions of the HTC Touch, which we reviewed last year, with a slide out ...(blah blah & snipped) This $929 version of the Touch Dual has HSDPA wireless broadband which works on Telstra's peculiar NextG network" (Financial Review 08.02.08 Page L10) So what is the peculiarity compared to other 3G networks? > "HTC has launched a version of its Touch Dual for Telstra's NextG network. > The Dual combines the touch-screen functions of the HTC Touch, which we > reviewed last year, with a slide out ...(blah blah & snipped) > This $929 version of the Touch Dual has HSDPA wireless > broadband which works on Telstra's peculiar NextG network" > (Financial Review 08.02.08 Page L10) > So what is the peculiarity compared to other 3G networks? The band it uses. >> "HTC has launched a version of its Touch Dual for Telstra's NextG >> network. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > The band it uses. And it's HSDPA - not 3G  SignatureKwyj. > > The band it uses. > > And it's HSDPA - not 3G So what exactly is "3G", and is there a standard band it should be using? What about the band / system Optus will be using? > So what exactly is "3G", and is there a standard band it > should be using? 3G is also known as 3GSM and as UMTS. It's basically the next generation of GSM, built on a W-CDMA (code division) radio layer instead of the TDMA (time division) layer used by the older GSM system. GSM's initial band was 900 MHz, but 850, 1800 and 1900 MHz GSM bands are now in common use as well. A world GSM phone is quad-band. UMTS's initial band was 2100 MHz, as used by Australian carriers until NextG. Telstra NextG and the US have gone for 850 MHz, and 1900 MHz is being used in the US as well: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml For the HSPDA extension to 3G, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPDA > What about the band / system Optus will be using? I've read on this newsgroup that they'll be using 900 MHz. Maybe someone can confirm this with a reference. John >> What about the band / system Optus will be using? > > I've read on this newsgroup that they'll be using 900 MHz. > Maybe someone can confirm this with a reference. > > John Optus' 3G network uses 2100 MHz & 900 MHz. 2100 MHz will be used in the metropolitan areas & 900 MHz will be used as well as 2100 MHz in regional & rural areas, 900 MHz will be mainly in rural areas. I think it's on the Optus web site under the media releases/newsroom section if you really have to read it for yourself. Glenn. GlennP wrote... >I think it's on the Optus web site under the media releases/newsroom >section if you really have to read it for yourself. I had a bit of a browse of the Optus website looking for more info on this. Certainly the newly failed-to-finish school sales assistant in the local Optus shop hadn't a clue as to how its new "3G" service would be working. All she could tell me was that new phones would be released on May 1, the day after CDMA for its Optus CDMA customers closes. Torque about cutting it fine. I wonder what they would've been doing had it closed on Jan 28. They'd have to either migrate over to the piss poor Optus GSM network or move to Telstra NextG. Currently the Optus option is all that they have if they wish to stay with Optus. Which would be rather annoying if, when their CDMA service closes and Optus hasn't got any 3G service running, they'd have to make a difficult choice insofar as trying to get an equivalent to CDMA service goes. SignatureA little knowledge is dangerous. So is a lot. Here is a link to the Optus media release for the 3G, 2100/900 Mhz rollout plan: http://www.optus.com.au/portal/site/aboutoptus/menuitem.813c6f701cee5a14f0419f10 8c8ac7a0/?vgnextoid=0c5025717ccc6110VgnVCM10000029867c0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=daf6d 7ef03820110VgnVCM10000029867c0aRCRD&vgnextfmt=default >> So what exactly is "3G", and is there a standard band it >> should be using? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > John > Here is a link to the Optus media release for the 3G, 2100/900 > Mhz rollout plan: http://www.optus.com.au/portal/site/aboutoptus/menuitem.813c6f701cee5a14f0419f10 8c8ac7a0/?vgnextoid=0c5025717ccc6110VgnVCM10000029867c0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=daf6d 7ef03820110VgnVCM10000029867c0aRCRD&vgnextfmt=default Thanks. As Stelera Wireless in the US is planning a 1700 MHz UMTS network, that'll be a pentaband UMTS world phone. With the inevitable GSM backwards-compatibility, it'll be hexband: 850 GSM + UMTS 900 GSM + UMTS 1700 UMTS 1800 GSM 1900 GSM + UMTS 2100 UMTS John > Thanks. As Stelera Wireless in the US is planning a 1700 MHz > UMTS network, With coverage in Floresville & Poth, Texas only, no doubt no phone will work there at all. Floresville 5,868 (2000 census) and Poth 1,850 people. WTF? Their web site talks about a wireless modem card, not GSM phones. > With coverage in Floresville & Poth, Texas only, no doubt no > phone will work there at all. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > WTF? Their web site talks about a wireless modem card, not > GSM phones. Sony Ericsson seems to be taking 1700 MHz UMTS more seriously than the need to cover both 850 and 900. The new XPERIA X1 has two models. One covers the 4 GSM bands plus 850/1700/1900/2100 UMTS while the other has the same GSM bands plus 900/1700/1900/2100 UMTS. http://tinyurl.com/2q2h57 http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/?lc=en&cc=%20AU John Optus are already selling the first 3G HSDPA 900/2100 MHz capable phone in Australia, (It's also Quad-band GSM) the Nokia 6121. I believe it's free on the cap and YES plans, $49 and above. Here's a link to the specs: http://www.nokia.com.au/A4688333 >> Here is a link to the Optus media release for the 3G, 2100/900 >> Mhz rollout plan: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > John > Optus are already selling the first 3G HSDPA 900/2100 MHz capable phone in > Australia, (It's also Quad-band GSM) the Nokia 6121. I believe it's free on > the cap and YES plans, $49 and above. Why would optus sell a HSDPA hand set? isnt that a telstra only network? or did telstra just borrow an existing standard? ~Dan > Why would optus sell a HSDPA hand set? Because it's faster than UMTS. > isnt that a telstra only network? Nope. > or did telstra just borrow an existing standard? Borrow? No, they _implemented_ an existing standard. PD SignaturePaul Day > Why would optus sell a HSDPA hand set? isnt that a telstra > only network? or did telstra just borrow an existing standard? Telstra is using an industry standard. High-Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) is a high-speed data add-on to UMTS (3G) networks. In some ways, it's like GPRS is to GSM networks. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deployed_HSDPA_networks for a list of who's using it. John >> Optus are already selling the first 3G HSDPA 900/2100 MHz capable phone >> in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Why would optus sell a HSDPA hand set? isnt that a telstra only network? > or did telstra just borrow an existing standard? Its a standard. Telstra just use existing standards in the marketplace > ~Dan QUEBURN wrote... >Here is a link to the Optus media release for the 3G, 2100/900 Mhz rollout >plan: >http://www.optus.com.au/portal/site/aboutoptus/menuitem.813c6f701cee5a14f0419f10 8c8ac7a0/?vgnextoid=0c5025717ccc6110VgnVCM10000029867c0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=daf6d 7ef03820110VgnVCM10000029867c0aRCRD&vgnextfmt=default Why didn't Telstra do this: "3G/HSPA network operators around the world are increasingly shifting to the 900 MHz frequency range, meaning that handsets and network equipment will be produced in high volume in this configuration, leading to cost efficiencies and bringing value to rural and regional Australia." SignatureA little knowledge is dangerous. So is a lot. >Why didn't Telstra do this: > >"3G/HSPA network operators around the world are increasingly shifting to >the 900 MHz frequency range, meaning that handsets and network equipment >will be produced in high volume in this configuration, leading to cost >efficiencies and bringing value to rural and regional Australia." You need to ask? They ALWAYS wan't to do it a differnt way to try and lock in anyone silly enough to be one of their users. >>> "HTC has launched a version of its Touch Dual for Telstra's NextG >>> network. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > And it's HSDPA - not 3G All networks round their Gs down to the nearest unit. That's why 3 hasn't been done like a dinner for continuing to call itself "3" after upgrading its ENTIRE network to HSDPA. HTH. Horry wrote... >That's why 3 hasn't been done like a dinner for continuing to call itself >"3" after upgrading its ENTIRE network to HSDPA. So, explain to us how a company's name has to be related to the services that it provides that it needs this loophole that you wrote about to stop it being "done like a dinner". >HTH. Nope. SignatureA little knowledge is dangerous. So is a lot. > Horry wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that it provides that it needs this loophole that you wrote about to stop > it being "done like a dinner". The comment was tongue-in-cheek. It's frustrating when one has to explain such things, so I won't bother. |
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