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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / May 2008Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data
1GB now available on Next G "Telstra Prepaid Plus". The cost is high - $89, but much better value that 200MB for $59. http://www.telstra.com.au/telstraprepaidplus/latestoffers/plus_packs/browse.htm > 1GB now available on Next G "Telstra Prepaid Plus". > > The cost is high - $89, but much better value that 200MB for $59. > > http://www.telstra.com.au/telstraprepaidplus/latestoffers/plus_packs/browse.htm Also, the new Optus Prepaid Turbo recharges include a "free" data allowance of up to 500MB (for a $100 recharge). http://www.optus.com.au/prepaidchanges Horry wrote... > 1GB now available on Next G "Telstra Prepaid Plus". > > The cost is high - $89, but much better value that 200MB for $59. Fark... > http://www.telstra.com.au/telstraprepaidplus/latestoffers/plus_packs/browse.htm I'll have to have a read of it, when I can get time to wait for the Telstra pages to finish loading, sometime next week. I wonder how long the data pack lasts for, timewise, before it expires. Horry wrote... > 1GB now available on Next G "Telstra Prepaid Plus". Forget my last pondering. I managed to get on to check the website. 30 days expiry. f.ck that. You're forced to pay for data that you may not use. Imagine if pre-paid call credits lasted 30 days. The pre-paid SIM that I have sitting in the desk drawer is good til Sept (I bought it for the dragon (MIL) when she was here visiting. Didn't get much use, got about $50 on it. > Horry wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 30 days expiry. Data packs are a monthly product, postpaid and prepaid > f.ck that. > > You're forced to pay for data that you may not use. Imagine if pre-paid Use PAYG then, and spend more Idiot Michael wrote... > > 30 days expiry. > > Data packs are a monthly product, postpaid and prepaid Stating the obvious again... > > f.ck that. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Idiot You call ME an idiot. Sort of like Rod Speed telling someone that he's (that someone) is an offensive prick. You training up to take over from him when Alzheimers finally takes hold of the old goat? Getting back to the issue, what is wrong with wanting a data pre-paid pack that expires along the same timespan as the voice calls? That is what I'd prefer. But as I am on post-paid and I rarely use the data side of NextG I don't bother buying a data pack. And because PAYG is so expensive I don't use it. Rather, I do, but I restrict it to the free content at Bigpond. Usually to check footy scores mainly. > Getting back to the issue, what is wrong with wanting a data pre-paid pack > that expires along the same timespan as the voice calls? Nothing wrong with it, I'd also like free calls for the rest of my life, but unlikely to get it. > That is what I'd prefer. But as I am on post-paid and I rarely use the > data side of NextG I don't bother buying a data pack. And because PAYG is > so expensive I don't use it. Rather, I do, but I restrict it to the free So buy a SMALLER data pack, not the largest one possible! Almost everyone will save cash with a data pack >> Getting back to the issue, what is wrong with wanting a data pre-paid pack >> that expires along the same timespan as the voice calls? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Almost everyone will save cash with a data pack We're talking about Browse Plus Packs, not data packs. Michael wrote... > > Getting back to the issue, what is wrong with wanting a data pre-paid pack > > that expires along the same timespan as the voice calls? > > Nothing wrong with it, I'd also like free calls for the rest of my life, but > unlikely to get it. This isn't about getting something for free. This is asking why the pre-paid data packs can't be sold along the same lines as the voice packs as far as expiration goes. If you think that this is unreasonable could you explain why? > So buy a SMALLER data pack, not the largest one possible! I don't buy either. Because I rarely use the data services I'd be paying for something that I wouldn't use, except on the odd occasion. This is on a post paid account, not a pre-paid, mind you. > Almost everyone will save cash with a data pack Eh? Since when is paying for something "saving" cash? The savings come when you don't spend the money at all or use the services, which, as Telstra is finding out, that most people don't do. Why? Because most people think that the 3G services are too expensive, or too slow, or difficult to use on a small screen mobile phone. This is particularly so when most websites are designed for viewing on desktop/laptop displays. NextG is great if you're using it for business purposes. But for home/residential use it's a luxury that most of us can't justify. Thing is, competitors such as 3 seem to be able to offer cheap data packs. Why can't Telstra? Why? Because outside of the large metro areas it effectively has no competition. And hence it will charge what it wants. Look at the poor bastards in Tassie. Being reamed comprehensively because Telstra can, and because Optus's parent which bought Basslink can't come to an agreement to provide data services across the link. > Michael wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > pre-paid data packs can't be sold along the same lines as the voice packs > as far as expiration goes. Prepaid data packs are the same as post paid data packs, they are charged per month Not hard to comprehend Just like Foxtel on your mobile is sold "per month" >> Almost everyone will save cash with a data pack > > Eh? Since when is paying for something "saving" cash? The savings come If you are on PAYG, your data pack price is $0 and your data charges are (as an example) $50. Total cost = $50 If you are on say a $5 data pack, and your data charges were, say $25 (with excess data), then Total cost = $25. See which one is cheaper. Almost everyone benefits from a data pack > Telstra is finding out, that most people don't do. Why? Because most > people think that the 3G services are too expensive, or too slow, or CYS - NextG is very fast > NextG is great if you're using it for business purposes. But for > home/residential use it's a luxury that most of us can't justify. Unless you are a pov, anyone can afford it Michael wrote... > Prepaid data packs are the same as post paid data packs, they are charged > per month > > Not hard to comprehend Except that you're failing miserably in what we're talking about - not the cost comparisons but how the expiration policy for pre-paid data packs work compared to that for voice pre-paid packs or whatever they're called. > Just like Foxtel on your mobile is sold "per month" Totally different kettle of fish. We're talking about pre=paid data, not some bullshit gimmick that's inherently worthless in itself. > > Eh? Since when is paying for something "saving" cash? The savings come > > If you are on PAYG, your data pack price is $0 and your data charges are (as > an example) $50. Total cost = $50 Woosh... > > Telstra is finding out, that most people don't do. Why? Because most > > people think that the 3G services are too expensive, or too slow, or > > CYS - NextG is very fast CYS? > > NextG is great if you're using it for business purposes. But for > > home/residential use it's a luxury that most of us can't justify. > > Unless you are a pov, anyone can afford it Depends on your definition of "afford", I s'pose. Fact remains that very few people who own mobiles for personal use make use of the 3G or NextG services, other than say, for MMS'ing. And cost is only one factor. > Michael wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cost comparisons but how the expiration policy for pre-paid data packs > work compared to that for voice pre-paid packs or whatever they're called. Data packs are a montly product, always have been, and always will be. So why would you expect the CED (credit expiry date) of your data pack to be anything other than monthly? >> Just like Foxtel on your mobile is sold "per month" > > Totally different kettle of fish. Exactly the same. It's a monthly VAS like your data pack >> > Telstra is finding out, that most people don't do. Why? Because most >> > people think that the 3G services are too expensive, or too slow, or >> >> CYS - NextG is very fast > > CYS? Check Your Settings - your phone is f.cked if NextG is slow. > Fact remains that very few people who own mobiles for personal use make > use of the 3G or NextG services, other than say, for MMS'ing. And cost is Bullshit. MOST do. Michael wrote... > >> CYS - NextG is very fast > > > > CYS? > > Check Your Settings - your phone is f.cked if NextG is slow. I have. Settings are correct. NextG is slow. And none of your bullshit "spin" will fix that. > > Fact remains that very few people who own mobiles for personal use make > > use of the 3G or NextG services, other than say, for MMS'ing. And cost is > > Bullshit. MOST do. References? Certainly, an article in the papers the other day suggests otherwise. > Michael wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "spin" > will fix that. Works fine for everyone I know. Get your phone repaired or replaced >> > Fact remains that very few people who own mobiles for personal use make >> > use of the 3G or NextG services, other than say, for MMS'ing. And cost [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > References? Certainly, an article in the papers the other day suggests > otherwise. Its just people who cant CYS who dont make use of the 3G services > Thing is, competitors such as 3 seem to be able to offer cheap data packs. Because 3 is desperate for customers Telstra could easily add another 2m customers if it dropped its prices and priced everryone out of the market > Look at the poor bastards in Tassie. Being reamed comprehensively because f.ck those "poor bastards". If anything, they need to start paying the true cost of their services. Lets charge line rental based in bands. They can pay $60 per month, not $30. Michael wrote... > f.ck those "poor bastards". If anything, they need to start paying the true > cost of their services. You're not a very nice person, are you? If Telstra can make a regular annual profit that goes into billions, then it's safe to assume that everyone who has a service of any kind with Telstra is paying the "true cost" and then some. >> f.ck those "poor bastards". If anything, they need to start paying the >> true >> cost of their services. > > You're not a very nice person, are you? Like it or lump it. > If Telstra can make a regular annual profit that goes into billions, then > it's safe to assume that everyone who has a service of any kind with > Telstra is paying the "true cost" and then some. You missed the point, whoosh-head. Line rental for urban customers should be DROPPED, whilst line rental for country bumpkins should be RAISED, to achieve the same revenue base. Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is 22c now, compared to 25c years ago. > Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten > years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is > 22c now, compared to 25c years ago. Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance? >> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten >> years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is >> 22c now, compared to 25c years ago. > > Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance? Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years???? > Polly the Parrot <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote >>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went >>> down. A local call is 22c now, compared to 25c years ago. >> Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance? > Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years???? Nope, the lack of competition is what did that. >> Polly the Parrot <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Nope, the lack of competition is what did that. We've had heaps of competition in line rental over the years. Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping from 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Polly the Parrot <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote >>>>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls >>>>> ten years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local >>>>> call is 22c now, compared to 25c years ago. >>>> Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance? >>> Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years???? >> Nope, the lack of competition is what did that. > We've had heaps of competition in line rental over the years. Pig ignorant lie. There was no competition in line rent when resellers got shafted by telstra with that tippling in the line rent they paid telstra, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to > go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping from 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved Another pig ignorant lie. >>>>>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls >>>>>> ten years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Pig ignorant lie. There was no competition in line rent when resellers Clearly there was competition given the fact that you just claimed there was a reseller >> Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to >> go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping from 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years > > Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the > line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. See above >> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved > > Another pig ignorant lie. Mine hasnt moved. Has yours? >>>>>>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local >>>>>>> calls ten years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. >>>>>>> A local call is 22c now, compared to 25c years ago. >>>>>> Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance? >>>>> Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years???? >>>> Nope, the lack of competition is what did that. >>> We've had heaps of competition in line rental over the years. >> Pig ignorant lie. There was no competition in line rent when resellers got shafted by telstra with that tippling in >> the line rent they paid telstra, >> you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Clearly there was competition given the fact that you just claimed there was a reseller Pig ignorant lie. There was no competition in line rent when resellers got shafted by telstra with that tippling in the line rent they paid telstra, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>> Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping from >>> 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years >> Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the >> line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > See above Completely useless, as always with your pig ignorant sh.t, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved >> Another pig ignorant lie. > Mine hasnt moved. You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant. > Has yours? Yep, and so has plenty of others' too. >>>> Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to >>>> go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping from 25 to 22c, over 7-10 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Yep, and so has plenty of others' too. From what to what? Has it moved more than CPI? Which was the context of the whole post, clearly 11.65 to 30.00 is in EXCESS of CPI and 25c DOWNCARDS to 22c is clearly in excess of CPI, as the price has gone backwards >>>>> Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping >>>>> from 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years >>>> Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the >>>> line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>> See above >> Completely useless, as always with your pig ignorant >> sh.t, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>>>> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved >>>> Another pig ignorant lie. >>> Mine hasnt moved. >> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant. >>> Has yours? >> Yep, and so has plenty of others' too. > From what to what? Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim. > Has it moved more than CPI? The CPI is completely irrelevant, telecoms cost DROP over time, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Which was the context of the whole post, Pigs arse it was, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > clearly 11.65 to 30.00 is in EXCESS of CPI Yep, and a complete f.cking ripoff, only possible because there is f.ck all competition with local lines, so telstra chose to gouge as aggressively as they could where they had no real competition and couldnt do that with the call charges where they had real competition ever since their monopoly was ripped away. > and 25c DOWNCARDS to 22c is clearly in excess of CPI, as the price has gone backwards ALL telecoms costs do, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >> From what to what? > > Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim. Ha fuckwit, you dont even know if your line rental has moved >> Has it moved more than CPI? > > The CPI is completely irrelevant, telecoms cost DROP over > time, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. Nope, theyve finished dropping in PSTN world. >> Which was the context of the whole post, > > Pigs arse it was, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. Rod we all know you have trouble with context >> clearly 11.65 to 30.00 is in EXCESS of CPI > > Yep, and a complete f.cking ripoff, only possible because there is f.ck > all > competition with local lines, so telstra chose to gouge as aggressively as > they Not Telstra's problem > could where they had no real competition and couldnt do that with the call > charges > where they had real competition ever since their monopoly was ripped away. ACCC approved rebalancing >> and 25c DOWNCARDS to 22c is clearly in excess of CPI, as the price has >> gone backwards > > ALL telecoms costs do, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit > child. So why didn't line rental? You cant make the argument "ALL telecoms costs do", and then agree that line rental went from 11.65 to 30. Youre arguing with yourself now. Take your meds. >>>>>>> Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping >>>>>>> from 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years >>>>>> Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the >>>>>> line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>>>> See above >>>> Completely useless, as always with your pig ignorant >>>> sh.t, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>>>>>> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved >>>>>> Another pig ignorant lie. >>>>> Mine hasnt moved. >>>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant. >>>>> Has yours? >>>> Yep, and so has plenty of others' too. >>> From what to what? >> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim. > Ha fuckwit, you dont even know if your line rental has moved Wrong, as always. No surprise that you only ever get to clean the dunnys. >>> Has it moved more than CPI? >> The CPI is completely irrelevant, telecoms cost DROP over >> time, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Nope, theyve finished dropping in PSTN world. Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a f.cking clue about anything at all, ever. No surprise that you only ever get to clean the dunnys. >>> Which was the context of the whole post, >> Pigs arse it was, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Rod we all know you have trouble with context You're a pathological lying fuckwit dunny cleaning child. >>> clearly 11.65 to 30.00 is in EXCESS of CPI >> Yep, and a complete f.cking ripoff, only possible because there is f.ck all competition with local lines, > Not Telstra's problem Its the real reason that the line rent went thru the roof, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >> so telstra chose to gouge as aggressively as they could where they had no real competition and couldnt do that with >> the call charges where they had real competition ever since their monopoly was ripped away. > ACCC approved rebalancing Yep, they got conned, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>> and 25c DOWNCARDS to 22c is clearly in excess of CPI, as the price has gone backwards >> ALL telecoms costs do, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > So why didn't line rental? Because there is f.ck all competition when the absolutely vast bulk of lines are provided by telstra, and telstra chose to gouge like a wounded bull because they could, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > You cant make the argument "ALL telecoms costs do", and then agree that line rental went from 11.65 to 30. So stupid that it cant even work out the difference between telecom COSTS and what the telco CHARGES THEIR CUSTOMERS. > Youre arguing with yourself now. Only in your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasyland. No surprise that you only ever get to clean the dunnys. Michael wrote... > > Nope, the lack of competition is what did that. > > We've had heaps of competition in line rental over the years. Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? Aside from pockets of inner and some outer urban areas of Melbourne and Sydney where Optus may run its cable services, there is no 'competition'. Telstra owns the lot, lock stock and barrel. And this is something that it inherited from its statutory monopoly days. Imagine what we could have had if the PMG/Telecom/Telstra didn't have the game sewn up from the get go. > In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved And neither should it. > Michael wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? Aside from pockets of > inner Who else provides competition in line rental? Well over the years you've had Optus, AAPT, Primus, iinet resell i think, and they are just the majors >> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved > > And neither should it. No reason why it wouldnt move with CPI. Telstra's costs have gone up, so should line rentall >> Michael wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Who else provides competition in line rental? Well over the years you've had Optus, AAPT, Primus, iinet resell i > think, and they are just the majors You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. None of those do anything more than resell telstra, so there is no real competition on the provision of the line, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved >> And neither should it. > No reason why it wouldnt move with CPI. Wrong, as always. Telecoms costs ALWAYS drop over time, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Telstra's costs have gone up, You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > so should line rentall Have fun explaining why they havent in the last couple of years, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >> Who else provides competition in line rental? Well over the years you've >> had Optus, AAPT, Primus, iinet resell i think, and they are just the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > competition > on the provision of the line, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. Plenty of competition there. If I can buy something from two or more companies, its competition. Whether the resellers choose to give a better price is up to them. The absence of a price difference does not constitute a lack of competition. > Wrong, as always. Telecoms costs ALWAYS drop over time, you stupid dunny > cleaning fuckwit child. > >> Telstra's costs have gone up, > > You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. Petrol, wages, the cost of copper, none have gone up over time? >> so should line rentall > > Have fun explaining why they havent in the last couple of years, you > stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. Because Telstra have been able to arrest the slide in PSTN revenue by offering more innovative pricing packages compared to its competitors. >>> Who else provides competition in line rental? Well over the years you've had Optus, AAPT, Primus, iinet resell i >>> think, and they are just the majors >> You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >> None of those do anything more than resell telstra, so there is no real competition >> on the provision of the line, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Plenty of competition there. You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > If I can buy something from two or more companies, its competition. Like hell it is when anyone wanting to compete has to pay more to telstra than telstra charges their retail customers, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Whether the resellers choose to give a better price is up to them. Nope, when anyone wanting to compete has to pay more to telstra than telstra charges their retail customers, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > The absence of a price difference does not constitute a lack of competition. Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a f.cking clue, and why you only ever get to clean dunnys. >> Wrong, as always. Telecoms costs ALWAYS drop over time, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>> Telstra's costs have gone up, >> You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Petrol, wages, the cost of copper, none have gone up over time? Pity about their total costs, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. And they CERTAINLY never TRIPPLED, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>> so should line rentall >> Have fun explaining why they havent in the last couple of years, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Because Telstra have been able to arrest the slide in PSTN revenue by > offering more innovative pricing packages compared to its competitors. Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a f.cking clue, and why you only ever get to clean dunnys. The real reason is that the ACCC wasnt going to buy that scam twice. > > Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? Aside from pockets of > > inner > > Who else provides competition in line rental? Well over the years you've had > Optus, AAPT, Primus, iinet resell i think, and they are just the majors All reselling Telstra. You can't call it "competition" when Telstra wholesale charges more to the reseller than Telstra retail charges to the end customer (ie, Homeline Budget, which is available to all). PD  SignaturePaul Day >> > Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? Aside from pockets of >> > inner [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > All reselling Telstra. You can't call it "competition" when Telstra You sure can. if you can buy "it" from more than one party, its competition > wholesale charges more to the reseller than Telstra retail charges to > the end customer (ie, Homeline Budget, which is available to all). HLB is not available to all; feel free to read the T&Cs on that one. And if it was illegal in any way the pathetic companies like Optus et al would have had Telstra savaged by the ACCC a long, long, time ago > Paul Day <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote >>>> Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? >>> Who else provides competition in line rental? Well over the years you've had >>> Optus, AAPT, Primus, iinet resell i think, and they are just the majors >> All reselling Telstra. You can't call it "competition" when Telstra > You sure can. if you can buy "it" from more than one party, its competition Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a f.cking clue, and why you only ever get to clean dunnys. >> wholesale charges more to the reseller than Telstra retail charges to >> the end customer (ie, Homeline Budget, which is available to all). > HLB is not available to all; feel free to read the T&Cs on that one. Irrelevant to whether non one can compete when telstra charges their retail customers less than they charge the reseller for that line. > And if it was illegal in any way the pathetic companies like Optus et > al would have had Telstra savaged by the ACCC a long, long, time ago Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a f.cking clue, and why you only ever get to clean dunnys. >>> > Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? Aside from pockets >>> > of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > HLB is not available to all; Yes it is. > feel free to read the T&Cs on that one. Just did. There are a couple of conditions attached, but nothing that *anyone* would not be capable of complying with if they wanted the service. At least one of those conditions is not enforcable anyway. SignatureKwyj. >> HLB is not available to all; > > Yes it is. feel free to read the T&Cs >> feel free to read the T&Cs on that one. > > Just did. > There are a couple of conditions attached, but nothing that *anyone* would Glad you mentioned that >>> HLB is not available to all; >> Yes it is. > feel free to read the T&Cs Irrelevant to the law on who its available to. >>> feel free to read the T&Cs on that one. >> Just did. >> There are a couple of conditions attached, but nothing that *anyone* would > Glad you mentioned that Pity those conditions arent legally enforceable. >>> HLB is not available to all; >> >> Yes it is. > > feel free to read the T&Cs I've already done that. It's pretty clear you haven't, or haven't understood them if you have read them. >>> feel free to read the T&Cs on that one. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Glad you mentioned that Thanks for deceptively snipping the bit where I said that they were conditions that *anyone* would be able to comply with. Useless sneaky c.nt. SignatureKwyj. Michael wrote... > > Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? Aside from pockets of > > inner > > Who else provides competition in line rental? Well over the years you've had > Optus, AAPT, Primus, iinet resell i think, and they are just the majors So, the above carriers actually have connections into peoples' homes or businesses? Well, I know that Optus does via its cable network. But it, like Telstra/Foxtel cable, is limited to selected suburbs in major cities. So it really doesn't count. As for the others? > Michael wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > So, the above carriers actually have connections into peoples' homes or What does that have to do with "competition in line rental"? >> Michael wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > What does that have to do with "competition in line rental"? Everything to do with the fact that there is no competition on line rent when telstra charges resellers more than they charge their retail customers, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. Michael wrote... > Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years???? thing is, there is no real competition in the line rental market, is there? You get your bundled services through the likes of Optus or iPrimus and they'll charge you the max of $30 or whatever it is today. Or you can go through Telstra and either pay the same line rental and get not as expensive phone calls, or pay the budget rate of around $20/mth and pay heaps more for calls. Whichever way you look at it, Telstra's nett revenue is still way up and it continues to make huge profits while at the same time delivering an average service, particularly in the area of data communications. > Michael wrote... > >> Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years???? > > thing is, there is no real competition in the line rental market, is > there? You Of course there is. The fact that you can buy it from ONE other MAJOR company (like Optus or Primus), means there is competition > get your bundled services through the likes of Optus or iPrimus and > they'll > charge you the max of $30 or whatever it is today. So you've just proved there is competition. COMPETITION IS NOT DEEMED TO BE NON-EXISTENT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE CHARGES THE SAME PRICE. In caps for fuckwits like you >> Michael wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Of course there is. The fact that you can buy it from ONE other MAJOR > company (like Optus or Primus), means there is competition No it doesnt when they only resell what telstra slugs them for that line, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >> get your bundled services through the likes of Optus or iPrimus and >> they'll >> charge you the max of $30 or whatever it is today. > So you've just proved there is competition. You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > COMPETITION IS NOT DEEMED TO BE NON-EXISTENT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE CHARGES THE SAME PRICE. YES IT IS WHEN THE REASON ITS THE SAME PRICE IS BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY ARE PAYING TELSTRA FOR THAT RESOLD LINE. > In caps for fuckwits like you DITTO. >> So you've just proved there is competition. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > YES IT IS WHEN THE REASON ITS THE SAME PRICE IS BECAUSE > OF WHAT THEY ARE PAYING TELSTRA FOR THAT RESOLD LINE. Resale means Telstra charges them LESS than the retail price. If the reseller chooses to sell it at the Telstra retail price, this means the reseller is taking all the profit and not providing any price differential. Their problem. it does not consitute a lack of competition. >>> So you've just proved there is competition. >> You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>> COMPETITION IS NOT DEEMED TO BE NON-EXISTENT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE >>> ELSE CHARGES THE SAME PRICE. >> YES IT IS WHEN THE REASON ITS THE SAME PRICE IS BECAUSE >> OF WHAT THEY ARE PAYING TELSTRA FOR THAT RESOLD LINE. > Resale means Telstra charges them LESS than the retail price. Nope, just that telstra allows resale, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. In fact telstra charges them more than telstra charges the retail customers. > If the reseller chooses to sell it at the Telstra retail price, this means the reseller is taking all the profit and > not providing any price differential. Or that there is no profit for them, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Their problem. > it does not consitute a lack of competition. Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a f.cking clue about anything at all, ever, and why you only ever get to clean the dunnys. > Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever > had a f.cking clue about anything at all, ever, and why you only ever > get to clean the dunnys. Michael is getting a promotion next week, please be kind to him. He will be promoted to cleaning Sol the Wog's private dunny. The one with the heated mahogany seat. > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a f.cking >> clue about anything at all, ever, and why you only ever get to clean the dunnys. > Michael is getting a promotion next week, Dont believe it. He hasnt licked the mex's arse anything like enthusiastically enough. > please be kind to him. No way. > He will be promoted to cleaning Sol the Wog's private dunny. Nar, he's FAR too incompetant for that. > The one with the heated mahogany seat. Its an electric dunnyseat installed by the ACCC, designed to fry his wog arse, and relys on the oil dripping off his wog arse to fry him very comprehensively indeed. Cant let fools like Mikey anywhere near it. Michael wrote... > So you've just proved there is competition. Only in the reseller market. > COMPETITION IS NOT DEEMED TO BE NON-EXISTENT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE > CHARGES THE SAME PRICE. > > In caps for fuckwits like you You really should be careful about what you write. Particuarly when you talk about irrelevant crap (copper to the residence and actual ownership). Oh, as for stating the obvious if it was an artform you'd have your own wing in the Louvré... Missed this. Michael wrote... > >> f.ck those "poor bastards". If anything, they need to start paying the > >> true [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Like it or lump it. Sorry. I'll rephrase it. You're a dead c.nt. How does that sound? Better, more accurate a description, perhaps? > > If Telstra can make a regular annual profit that goes into billions, then > > it's safe to assume that everyone who has a service of any kind with > > Telstra is paying the "true cost" and then some. > > You missed the point, whoosh-head. Whoosh-head? Don't tell me. Speed has come up with a new insult and you're grabbing and running with it. > Line rental for urban customers should be DROPPED, whilst line rental for > country bumpkins should be RAISED, to achieve the same revenue base. Yep, way to go, drongo. Make it even more difficult for rural Australia. And dickwads like you wonder why the cost of essentials continues to rise unabated. > Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten years > ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is 22c now, > compared to 25c years ago. Wow, 3 cents price drop for calls. While we see line rentals treble in cost, meanwhile, the level of service, or its quality continues to deteriorate. Just ask anyone in parts of Sydney, particularly during the wet season, who'd love the idea of a regular dial tone, let alone one that can be heard over the static... When a relatively pissy company like Telstra can make regular multi-billion dollar profits then something is clearly wrong. All that money for what? A service that is hardly world class. Well, third world class, perhaps... >> >> f.ck those "poor bastards". If anything, they need to start paying the >> >> true [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > description, > perhaps? You're an anti-Telstra troll. Ive dispatched many like you, over the years Come up with cogent, sound arguments, or f.ck off >> You missed the point, whoosh-head. > > Whoosh-head? > > Don't tell me. Speed has come up with a new insult and you're grabbing and > running with it. "running with it" - what are you, a w.nker? >> Line rental for urban customers should be DROPPED, whilst line rental for >> country bumpkins should be RAISED, to achieve the same revenue base. > > Yep, way to go, drongo. Make it even more difficult for rural Australia. > And Rural Australia doesnt need any handouts. They can pay their fair share or f.ck off > dickwads like you wonder why the cost of essentials continues to rise > unabated. It doesnt rise "unabated" and the CPI is fine >> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten >> years [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Wow, 3 cents price drop for calls. While we see line rentals treble in > cost, What do you think a 3c drop means OVER TEN YEARS WHEN COMPARED TO CPI? Its probably a 10c drop in real terms. Tried to find a CPI calculator once but couldnt find one. Feel free to prove its not 10c > meanwhile, the level of service, or its quality continues to deteriorate. > Just Quality hasnt changed. The average phone service might go faulty once every 10 years. Mum's phone - connected since 1972. Three faults, one of which was the Telstra supplied handset (which lasted 20 years) My old service - one fault in 5 years My current service - one fault in 5.5 years Thats "normal" service > ask anyone in parts of Sydney, particularly during the wet season, who'd > love > the idea of a regular dial tone, let alone one that can be heard over the > static... Urban legend > When a relatively pissy company like Telstra can make regular > multi-billion > dollar profits then something is clearly wrong. All that money for what? A > service that is hardly world class. Well, third world class, perhaps... The service is fantastic and i wouldnt swap it for anyone else >>>>> f.ck those "poor bastards". If anything, they need to start >>>>> paying the true [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > You're an anti-Telstra troll. Ive dispatched many like you, over the years You're lying, as always, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Come up with cogent, sound arguments, or f.ck off Go and f.ck yourself, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>> You missed the point, whoosh-head. >> Whoosh-head? >> Don't tell me. Speed has come up with a new insult and you're >> grabbing and running with it. > "running with it" - what are you, a w.nker? >>> Line rental for urban customers should be DROPPED, whilst line >>> rental for country bumpkins should be RAISED, to achieve the same >>> revenue base. >> Yep, way to go, drongo. Make it even more difficult for rural >> Australia. And > Rural Australia doesnt need any handouts. They can pay their fair > share or f.ck off Fools like you in spades. >> dickwads like you wonder why the cost of essentials continues to rise unabated. > It doesnt rise "unabated" and the CPI is fine Nope, telecoms costs DROP over time, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls >>> ten years >>> ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is 22c >>> now, compared to 25c years ago. >> Wow, 3 cents price drop for calls. While we see line rentals treble in cost, > What do you think a 3c drop means OVER TEN YEARS WHEN COMPARED TO CPI? > Its probably a 10c drop in real terms. Tried to find a CPI calculator > once but couldnt find one. Feel free to prove its not 10c YOU made the claim. YOU get to do the proving. THATS how it works. >> meanwhile, the level of service, or its quality continues to deteriorate. Just > Quality hasnt changed. The average phone service might go faulty once every 10 years. > Mum's phone - connected since 1972. Three faults, one of which was the > Telstra supplied handset (which lasted 20 years) > My old service - one fault in 5 years > My current service - one fault in 5.5 years The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample', you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Thats "normal" service Thats just you w.nking away by yourself, as always. >> ask anyone in parts of Sydney, particularly during the wet season, who'd love >> the idea of a regular dial tone, let alone one that can be heard over the static... > Urban legend >> When a relatively pissy company like Telstra can make regular multi-billion >> dollar profits then something is clearly wrong. All that money for >> what? A service that is hardly world class. Well, third world class, perhaps... > The service is fantastic and i wouldnt swap it for anyone else You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant. >>>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls >>>> ten years [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > THATS how it works. Your lack of disproving means I am correct. Thanks >>> meanwhile, the level of service, or its quality continues to >>> deteriorate. Just [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample', you > stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. No, its just normal behaviour for PSTN lines >>>>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten years ago. Line rental went up, and calls >>>>> went down. A local call is 22c now, compared to 25c years ago. >>>> Wow, 3 cents price drop for calls. While we see line rentals> treble in cost, >>> What do you think a 3c drop means OVER TEN YEARS WHEN COMPARED TO CPI? Its probably a 10c drop in real terms. Tried >>> to find a CPI >>> calculator once but couldnt find one. Feel free to prove its not 10c >> YOU made the claim. >> YOU get to do the proving. >> THATS how it works. > Your lack of disproving means I am correct. Thanks YOU made the claim. YOU get to do the proving. THATS how it works. And you aint anything like correct, as always. >>>> meanwhile, the level of service, or its quality continues to deteriorate. >>> Quality hasnt changed. The average phone service might go faulty once every 10 years. >>> Mum's phone - connected since 1972. Three faults, one of which was >>> the Telstra supplied handset (which lasted 20 years) >>> My old service - one fault in 5 years >>> My current service - one fault in 5.5 years >> The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample', you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > No, Yep. > its just normal behaviour for PSTN lines The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample', you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. Michael wrote... > You're an anti-Telstra troll. Ive dispatched many like you, over the years > Come up with cogent, sound arguments, or f.ck off Haven't "dispatched" squat. You're forever derided in these forums and your performance in Whirlpool ain't that flash, either. At least there you have to keep your natural arseholiness in check for risk of being booted out. > Rural Australia doesnt need any handouts. They can pay their fair share or > f.ck off [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It doesnt rise "unabated" and the CPI is fine Doesn't it? Cost of groceries rising way beyond CPI which includes natural produce, meat, milk, vegetables, etc. Which, in case you don't know, come from rural Australia. That's that place which is on the other side of the westgate bridge in case you live in Melbourne, or past Dandenong, where, truth be known you probably live, anyway. > Quality hasnt changed. The average phone service might go faulty once every > 10 years. So, all those stories about Sydney's failing telecomms infrustructure is just bullshit, then? > Mum's phone - connected since 1972. Three faults, one of which was the > Telstra supplied handset (which lasted 20 years) > My old service - one fault in 5 years > My current service - one fault in 5.5 years > > Thats "normal" service For you and your mother, perhaps. But it doesn't paint the entire picture. Face it. The network is what, 100 years old? Nothing lasts forever and the same goes here as well. Telstra has or had the opportunity to invest in new fire optic technologies to replace the copper network, but it didn't. As a privately owned (well, by shareholders) it now has an obligation to put profits before service. And this has shown up in spades. > The service is fantastic and i wouldnt swap it for anyone else Here are some definitions of "fantastic", most of which apply to what you wrote above: (I'd suggest that No. 3 is more applicable to your usage of the word) Fan·tas·tic Audio Help /fæn?tæst?k/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fan-tas-tik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective 1. conceived or appearing as if conceived by an unrestrained imagination; odd and remarkable; bizarre; grotesque: fantastic rock formations; fantastic designs. 2. fanciful or capricious, as persons or their ideas or actions: We never know what that fantastic creature will say next. 3. imaginary or groundless in not being based on reality; foolish or irrational: fantastic fears. 4. extravagantly fanciful; marvelous. 5. incredibly great or extreme; exorbitant: to spend fantastic sums of money. 6. highly unrealistic or impractical; outlandish: a fantastic scheme to make a million dollars betting on horse races. >> You're an anti-Telstra troll. Ive dispatched many like you, over the >> years [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > performance in Whirlpool ain't that flash, either. At least there you have > to What performance in Whirlpool? I havent posted in Whirlpool for at least 3 months Obviously you are going on old data ;-) >> Rural Australia doesnt need any handouts. They can pay their fair share >> or [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > produce, meat, milk, vegetables, etc. Which, in case you don't know, come > from The CPI is fine, and groceries are not rising "way beyond CPI" > rural Australia. That's that place which is on the other side of the > westgate I get many of my vegetables from Werribee South. This is NOT rural, you fuckwit >> Quality hasnt changed. The average phone service might go faulty once >> every [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > just > bullshit, then? Faults are faults and as above, the average service might go faulty once every 10 years. >> Mum's phone - connected since 1972. Three faults, one of which was the >> Telstra supplied handset (which lasted 20 years) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > For you and your mother, perhaps. But it doesn't paint the entire picture. It paints the picture of normal PSTN land. > Face it. The network is what, 100 years old? Nothing lasts forever and the > same Very little of it is 100 years old. The bricks in the exchange might be. > goes here as well. Telstra has or had the opportunity to invest in new > fire > optic technologies to replace the copper network, but it didn't. As a > privately Telstra basically replaced almost all of their IEN with fibe optic, and replaced EVERY exchange with either S12 or AXE, completed in the early 90's. You dont need fibre optic to your front door. > > rural Australia. That's that place which is on the other side of > > the westgate > > I get many of my vegetables from Werribee South. Anywhere in Victoria is rural, Roddles. Michael wrote... > You're an anti-Telstra troll. Actually, I'm not. I'm a Telstra customer with both landline and mobile services. What I am "anti", if anything, is the way that Telstra gouges its customers and how it proactively limits technological advances or restricts the technology that is in place. In the case of DSL2 it was about competition and how to exclude it. Fair enough, given its mandate to consider shareholders first. But if it has its way we'll pay through the nose for whatever future technologies that we'll have set in place. It'll be like 3G services. Most people won't use it because it'd be too expensive. As you said, if Telstra did drop its prices, say for mobile services it could attract another two million customers. Why won't it do this? Isn't it about market share? > Michael wrote >> You're an anti-Telstra troll. > Actually, I'm not. I'm a Telstra customer with both landline and > mobile services. What I am "anti", if anything, is the way that > Telstra gouges its customers and how it proactively limits > technological advances or restricts the technology that is in place. > In the case of DSL2 it was about competition and how to exclude it. > Fair enough, given its mandate to consider shareholders first. But if > it has its way we'll pay through the nose for whatever future > technologies that we'll have set in place. > It'll be like 3G services. Most people won't use it because it'd be too expensive. > As you said, if Telstra did drop its prices, say for mobile services > it could attract another two million customers. Why won't it do this? > Isn't it about market share? Nope, its actually about what maximises the profit. > Michael wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > services. What I am "anti", if anything, is the way that Telstra gouges > its Then f.ck off to another company. But you havent, which means you like Telstra the best > In the case of DSL2 it was about competition and how to exclude it. Fair > enough, They certain should exclude it. Other ADSL companies have been leeching off Telstra too long. Put your own DSLAMs in, or f.ck off and die > It'll be like 3G services. Most people won't use it because it'd be too > expensive. Telstra struggles to keep up with the amount of usage, its that good. Over 200% growth in 12 months for data usage > As you said, if Telstra did drop its prices, say for mobile services it > could > attract another two million customers. Why won't it do this? Isn't it > about > market share? Hello, wake up! This is not 1993. The world is about ARPU, average revenue per user, much more so, than SIOs (services in operation). One customer spending $100 per month is better than 5 customers spending $10 a month. Telstra could stop disconnecting expired prepaids and in six months it would have an extra 100,00 customers. But would that actually mean anything? No. > Come up with cogent, sound arguments, or f.ck off Jeez, talk about the pot calling the kettle black there Michael! PD SignaturePaul Day |
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