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SMS limitation question

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John Phillips - 19 Apr 2008 20:13 GMT
Using an Optus SIM (actually Soul Communications).

SMS is limited to 160 characters since I changed phones (Palm Treo 650
to Palm Centro).

Previously on the 650, 160 characters x 3.

Is this a device setting, or operator setting?
Rod Speed - 19 Apr 2008 20:32 GMT
> Using an Optus SIM (actually Soul Communications).

> SMS is limited to 160 characters since I changed
> phones (Palm Treo 650 to Palm Centro).

> Previously on the 650, 160 characters x 3.

> Is this a device setting, or operator setting?

Its obviously not an operator setting if you are using the
same sim with two different results in two different devices.
John Phillips - 19 Apr 2008 20:37 GMT
> > Is this a device setting, or operator setting?  
>
> Its obviously not an operator setting if you are using the
> same sim with two different results in two different devices.

Perhaps they sent down a SIM "upgrade"?
Rod Speed - 19 Apr 2008 22:11 GMT
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Using an Optus SIM (actually Soul Communications).

>>> SMS is limited to 160 characters since I changed
>>> phones (Palm Treo 650 to Palm Centro).

>>> Previously on the 650, 160 characters x 3.

>>> Is this a device setting, or operator setting?

>> Its obviously not an operator setting if you are using the
>> same sim with two different results in two different devices.

> Perhaps they sent down a SIM "upgrade"?

Trivial to check that remote possibility by putting it back in the Treo again etc.

Bet they didnt.
Horry - 19 Apr 2008 21:06 GMT
> Using an Optus SIM (actually Soul Communications).
>
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>
> Is this a device setting, or operator setting?

It could be either.  But if you're using the same SIM, it's almost
certainly the Centro.

Handsets do need to support concatenated SMS for it to work.

Does the Centro allow you to enter more than 160 characters?
John Henderson - 19 Apr 2008 22:40 GMT
> Using an Optus SIM (actually Soul Communications).
>
> SMS is limited to 160 characters since I changed phones (Palm
> Treo 650 to Palm Centro).
>
> Previously on the 650, 160 characters x 3.

A minor point, but a single unsplit message is limited to 160
chars whereas the parts of a split message are limited to 153
chars each (limited by referencing overheads).

> Is this a device setting, or operator setting?

For whatever reason, it's the device that's not playing ball.
The operator doesn't care (but more message parts = more
profit).

The device does the splitting into individual message parts (and
the cross-referencing), and submits each part to the operator
as a complete and separate PDU-encoded payload.  Checking for
well-formedness by the operator will be very rudimentary.  The
receiver reassembles the long message (if it's smart enough to
do so) according to the referencing info in the parts' headers.

There's inconclusive discussion about this Treo issue, eg here:
http://tinyurl.com/5mdl6t

There's some talk there about different SIMs affecting some
Treo's willingness to accept and split long messages.
Technically, this makes no sense to me (unless the SIM's SMS
storage capacity is near-full perhaps).  But you might want to
experiment.  I'd be interested in any findings.

John
John Phillips - 19 Apr 2008 23:18 GMT
> There's inconclusive discussion about this Treo issue, eg here:
> http://tinyurl.com/5mdl6t

Thanks, I have posted there with inconclusive results; I will try Palm
service.
 
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