Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / May 2008
Phones have come a long way
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Alan Parkington - 05 May 2008 10:55 GMT From http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=lifestyle%20news&subclass=news %20extra&story_id=1237609&category=news%20extra
UNDERSTANDABLE concern by rural folk over coverage of Telstra's Next G network rather begs the question of how we managed only 20 years ago when mobile technology in Australia was extremely limited and costly.
Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are unreasonably expensive, the cost today of buying and operating mobile telephones is significantly less than in 1981, when a car-based phone cost almost $5000. Connection cost a further $350 with the annual access charge $800. Coverage was initially only in Melbourne, then Sydney.
The first hand-held mobiles, generally known as bricks, became available in 1987 and cost $4250. By about 1993, only about 4 per cent of Australians owned one.
The digital network grew rapidly, with about one million subscribers by 1995. Then there were about 1.6 million on the analogue network.
In September, 1999, Telstra launched its CDMA network and by the end of that year the analog network was effectively closed.
By February, 2001, with about 10.7 million, there were more mobile telephones in Australia than fixed-line phones. The growth has continued, with the Australian Communications and Media Authority reporting last week that there are more mobile phone services in Australian than people.
With such growth, there is a general expectation that mobile telephone coverage is a right, regardless of isolation. Though this is impractical, or at least uneconomic, politicians are conscious of this demand. Hence the pressure on Telstra to improve its Next G coverage before closing the CDMA network, which it did last Monday.
Australia's telecommunications have come a long way in 40 years. Then, you could not dial Queanbeyan direct from Canberra. The farm on which I grew up was served by a manual telephone exchange. There was something quaint about a service that opened at 9am, closed for lunch and dinner, and finished at 9pm.
Today's obsession over privacy would outlaw the potential for intrusion by operators of such exchanges. After a misadventure at school, I was hauled off to hospital by ambulance and my parents were advised by a long-distance telephone call. Though they had not spoken with any neighbours, they were stopped by one as they drove out.
"How's the boy?" the concerned neighbour asked. The exchange operators, a friendly local couple, ensured the community was kept informed of such details.
After the couple died, the 20 or so farms in the valley had the local exchange replaced by party lines with connections made by an operator in the nearest town about 40km away.
The party line system had four or five telephones on the same circuit. Only one call could be made at a time and any of those parties could, and sometimes did, listen to another's conversation. The only benefit was that calls could be made at no charge to others on the party line.
The trick with a party line was to know when an incoming call was for you. Our number was 3W. So the operator selected the correct circuit, then delivered one short and two long rings, the Morse code for W. Other letters that could be used were; d, g, k, o, r, s and u, all requiring only three rings.
The replacement of the party line in the early 1970s with an automatic telephone from which most of Australia could be called directly was a major step. Though the area now has mobile coverage, it is at best sporadic, with best results from hill tops.
Polly the Parrot - 05 May 2008 11:22 GMT > Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are > unreasonably expensive, I am surprised that you would allow us to see that, Parky bot!
Alan Parkington - 05 May 2008 12:08 GMT >> Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are >> unreasonably expensive, > > I am surprised that you would allow us to see that, Parky bot! Not at alll. you get the best with Telstra so you have to expect to pay a fraction more than the cheap overseas Singaporean and pommy junk..
Kwyjibo - 05 May 2008 12:18 GMT >>> Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are >>> unreasonably expensive, >> >> I am surprised that you would allow us to see that, Parky bot! > > Not at alll. you get the best with Telstra Lie. You don't get the best coverage with Telstrta and their pricing is not even close to being the best.
> so you have to expect to pay a fraction more "Unreasonably expensive" does not equate to "a fraction more" you useless c.nt.
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Michael - 07 May 2008 07:03 GMT >>>> Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are >>>> unreasonably expensive, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Lie. You don't get the best coverage with Telstrta Of course you do.
>and their pricing is not even close to being the best. Since when does Telstra compete on price? Or need to
mathewm@sNOSPAMdf.lonestar.org - 07 May 2008 08:54 GMT >>>>> Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are >>>>> unreasonably expensive, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Of course you do. How do you define "best?" Best is highly subjective in this context.
As a customer, I couldn't care less whether my phone will work in, say, Bourke, because I will never go there.
I'm only concerned about it working where I need it to (i.e. places I will go.) In my case, that would mean Optus GSM900 is the best.
Kwyjibo - 07 May 2008 09:57 GMT >>>>> Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are >>>>> unreasonably expensive, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Of course you do. Wrong. Try GlobalStar. sh.ts all over Telstra.
>>and their pricing is not even close to being the best. > > Since when does Telstra compete on price? Or need to Parky-bot was claiming Telstra were 'the best'. I've already shown they aren't the best in terms of coverage. Everyone knows they aren't the best in terms of customer service. The only thing left is price, and they clearly aren't the best on that either.
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Michael - 07 May 2008 10:26 GMT >> Since when does Telstra compete on price? Or need to > > Parky-bot was claiming Telstra were 'the best'. I've already shown they > aren't the best in terms of coverage. Everyone knows they aren't the best > in Only one network can be "the best"
They may not be the best for you, but overall, they are the best. Like it or lump it.
And yes, they are the best in customer service.
Polly the Parrot - 05 May 2008 15:22 GMT > > > >> Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > pay a fraction more than the cheap overseas Singaporean and pommy > junk.. The word, Parky, is "unreasonable". Did you miss that bit?
U N R E A S O N A B L E !
Moron.
Paul Day - 06 May 2008 01:15 GMT > >> Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are > >> unreasonably expensive, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Not at alll. you get the best with Telstra so you have to expect to pay a > fraction more than the cheap overseas Singaporean and pommy junk.. No, you pay an unreasonably expensive amount more, not a fraction. Clearly stated in the article you recited like a parrot.
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Alan Parkington - 06 May 2008 06:12 GMT >> >> Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are >> >> unreasonably expensive, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No, you pay an unreasonably expensive amount more, not a fraction. > Clearly stated in the article you recited like a parrot. Actually the article claimed Australian costs were 'high'.. not specifically Telstra's.
Paul Day - 06 May 2008 09:09 GMT > >> >> Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are > >> >> unreasonably expensive, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Actually the article claimed Australian costs were 'high'.. not specifically > Telstra's. Can't even read what he's written...
Alan, your article is quoted at the top of this post. Just in case you can't spot it, I'll paste it again: "Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are unreasonably expensive,"
Note the words "unreasonably expensive" and the common knowledge that Telstra leads the way in expensive mobile phone service charges in the Australian market.
PD
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Alan Parkington - 06 May 2008 15:13 GMT >> >> >> Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are >> >> >> unreasonably expensive, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > PD Listen Dummy.. the article only says that charges could be considered expensive, not that they necessarily are expensive. Also it does not mention Telstra as being expensice either.
Kwyjibo - 06 May 2008 15:20 GMT >>> >> >> Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services >>> >> >> are [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Listen Dummy.. Hehe. Obviously been to the Telstra 'Customer Service' school.....
> the article only says that charges could be considered expensive, not that > they necessarily are expensive. Wrong. It says "Australia's mobile telephone services *ARE* unreasonably expensive"
> Also it does not mention Telstra as being expensice either. It doesn't need to. As Telstra are the dearest mobile carrier in the country, it goes without saying that if Australia's mobile phone services are expensive, Telstra *must* be unreasonably expensive.
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Alan Parkington - 07 May 2008 00:04 GMT > As Telstra are the dearest mobile carrier in the country, Actually Dodo's data charges are higher. Current discussion here on whirlpool
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=971100
Polly the Parrot - 06 May 2008 16:08 GMT > Listen Dummy.. the article only says that charges could be considered > expensive, not that they necessarily are expensive. Also it does not > mention Telstra as being expensice either. But Tel$tra is expensive, Parky!
Rod Speed - 06 May 2008 19:40 GMT Alan Poxington <w.nker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote
>> Alan Poxington <w.nker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote >>>> Alan Poxington <w.nker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote >>>>>> Alan Poxington <w.nker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>> Though by world standards Australia's mobile telephone services are unreasonably expensive,
>>>>>> I am surprised that you would allow us to see that, Parky bot!
>>>>> Not at alll. you get the best with Telstra so you have to expect to pay a >>>>> fraction more than the cheap overseas Singaporean and pommy junk..
>>>> No, you pay an unreasonably expensive amount more, not a fraction. >>>> Clearly stated in the article you recited like a parrot.
>>> Actually the article claimed Australian costs were 'high'.. not specifically Telstra's. Pity Telstra dominates the expensive end of Aust mobile services, fuckwit.
>> Can't even read what he's written...
>> Alan, your article is quoted at the top of this post. Just in case >> you can't spot it, I'll paste it again: "Though by world standards >> Australia's mobile telephone services are unreasonably expensive,"
>> Note the words "unreasonably expensive" and the common knowledge that Telstra leads the way in expensive mobile phone >> service charges in the Australian market.
> Listen Dummy.. the article only says that charges could be considered expensive, not that they necessarily are > expensive. Bare faced lie. Read the quote right at the top, fuckwit.
> Also it does not mention Telstra as being expensice either. Doesnt need to when it dominates Aust mobile services, fuckwit.
Paul Day - 07 May 2008 09:25 GMT > Listen Dummy.. the article only says that charges could be considered > expensive, not that they necessarily are expensive. Also it does not mention > Telstra as being expensice either. That's a nice spade you've got there Alan. :) Be careful not get blisters digging like this though.
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will_s - 06 May 2008 02:57 GMT > From > http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=lifestyle%20news&subclass=news %20extra&story_id=1237609&category=news%20extra [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > major step. Though the area now has mobile coverage, it is at best > sporadic, with best results from hill tops. I was surprised by the lack of coverage ie from Batemans Bay to Canberra on the weekend. One bike went down and no coverage for mobiles to ring an ambulance or contact the other riders.
John Henderson - 06 May 2008 04:07 GMT > I was surprised by the lack of coverage ie from Batemans Bay > to Canberra on the weekend. One bike went down and no coverage > for mobiles to ring an ambulance or contact the other riders. That brings up an important point for making emergency calls from 3G-capable phones where there's no 2G coverage.
With existing 2100 MHz 3G networks, Telstra NextG on 850 MHz, and Optus about to roll out its 900 MHz 3G network, 3G phones sold in Australia should cover at least these 3 bands. If the phone doesn't cover the only band in operation in a particular area, the phone won't be able to carry the call. Emergency calls to 112 or 000 will otherwise use any carrier available.
John
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