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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / June 2008Spam
Have I been leading a sheltered live? Have had a mobile now for four years and until the last few weeks NEVER had any spam. All of a sudden I got a person to person call from someone wanting to sell me a different provider and a recorded message insisting on the virtues of gambling. Is mobile spamming new? Can one take worthwhile actions to report this type of pest? Interested to hear your opinions, John > Have I been leading a sheltered live? Yes. Life anyway. > Have had a mobile now for four years Nothing like 'living' on the bleeding edge technology wise. > and until the last few weeks NEVER had any spam. I've never ever had any, and I've had mobiles for a hell of a lot longer than 4 years. > All of a sudden I got a person to person call from someone wanting to sell me a different provider and a recorded > message insisting on the virtues of gambling. > Is mobile spamming new? Nope. Just less common because it costs spammers more. > Can one take worthwhile actions to report this type of pest? Nope. Not unless you have signed up for the do not call register and the operations that call anyway are local as opposed to outside the country. > Interested to hear your opinions, I never ever have any of those. They're like arseholes. >> Have I been leading a sheltered live? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I've never ever had any, and I've had mobiles for a hell of a lot longer > than 4 years. That's cos you're on the Pov register. No point trying to sell stuff to people who have no money. >> All of a sudden I got a person to person call from someone wanting to >> sell me a different provider and a recorded message insisting on the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Nope. Just less common because it costs spammers more. Though some overseas based VoIP operations are making it a lot more viable. >> Can one take worthwhile actions to report this type of pest? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I never ever have any of those. LOL. > They're like arseholes. In your case - definitely. (full of sh.t)  SignatureKwyj. > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Have I been leading a sheltered live? >> Yes. Life anyway. >>> Have had a mobile now for four years >> Nothing like 'living' on the bleeding edge technology wise. >>> and until the last few weeks NEVER had any spam. >> I've never ever had any, and I've had mobiles for a hell of a lot longer than 4 years. > That's cos you're on the Pov register. Its the pov register, stupid. > No point trying to sell stuff to people who have no money. How odd that I get so much on the landline, fuckwit. >>> All of a sudden I got a person to person call from someone wanting to sell me a different provider and a recorded >>> message insisting on the virtues of gambling. >>> Is mobile spamming new? >> Nope. Just less common because it costs spammers more. > Though some overseas based VoIP operations are making it a lot more viable. Yep. >>> Can one take worthwhile actions to report this type of pest? >> Nope. Not unless you have signed up for the do not call register and the operations that call anyway are local as >> opposed to outside the country. >>> Interested to hear your opinions, >> I never ever have any of those. > LOL. This is no laughing matter, fuckwit. >> They're like arseholes. > In your case - definitely. (full of sh.t) Any 2 year old could leave that for dead. Get one to help you before posting again, if anyone is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one. >> Interested to hear your opinions, > > I never ever have any of those. They're like arseholes. You've never had an arsehole? > Rod Speed wrote >>> Interested to hear your opinions, >> I never ever have any of those. They're like arseholes. > You've never had an arsehole? Never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that. >> Rod Speed wrote > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that. You've never ever had anything like an arsehole? >> Rod Speed wrote > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that. "never had an opinion" opinions are like arseholes so lets then replace opinion with arsehole "never had an arsehole" well I agree with Rod, nothing remotely resembling that but rather 100% spot on I guess by not having an arsehole that would explain the sh.t that flows from your mouth ? >> Interested to hear your opinions, >I never ever have any of those. They're like arseholes. I believe you've had lot's of these over the years (opinions that is). You are no doubt aware that this is National E-Security Awareness week as announced by Senator Conroy... http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2008/minister_launches_nat ional_e-security_awareness_week http://www.staysmartonline.gov.au/ Articles around such as the one here:- http://www.smartofficenews.com.au/Technology/Internet/C6S4B4F3 The Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, Senator Stephen Conroy, has turned himself into an online superhero in a bid to kill off spam, malware, hacking and other online abuse. Partnering with major Australian and international companies, peak bodies and community groups, the federal government has launched National E-security Awareness Week, with the aim being to highlight the simple steps Australians should take to stay smart online. ============================== You're not in the Queen's Birthday honours Rod. Your contribution to cyberspace hasn't been acknowledged. John Howard made it ! J. Veil wrote... > Is mobile spamming new? > Can one take worthwhile actions to report this type of pest? It seems that about all you can do is to prevent the likes of what happened to me last week when I got an unsolicited call and a pre-recorded message telling me how I "won" a "free" trial for a trivial pursuit SMS game. I quickly rang Telstra and advised them that under no circumstances will I be responsible for any such costs that may appear on any future phone bills. The guy them placed a bar on our phones receiving "premium" SMSes. As for receiving normal ones that are adverts, well, I dunno what you can do about that, other than to perhaps get a new phone number and don't give it out to anyone other than trusted family and friends. I've given up on releasing this info when signing up for stuff. In fact, when a shop that I buy something from asks me for personal details I decline. Some say it's store "policy" to take your details. I say to them that it's my policy not to. All they require from me is the wherewithall to conclude the transaction (money). And all I require from them is the product that I'm purchasing and a tax invoice. If they insist then I say to them, well, I can go and buy this product from somewhere else or you can conclude the sale without the info. Your choice. Sometimes they get narky, sometimes they don't. "Snapper" wrote > > It seems that about all you can do is to prevent the likes of what > happened to [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Sometimes they get narky, sometimes they don't. ================================================= Thank you Snapper, for being the only one replying to my original question...Very helpfull. It is truly refreshing to find at least one person on this news group, that is not moronic and foul mouthed or has the fruitless need to feed same. Thank you again, John > "Snapper" wrote > >> It seems that about all you can do is to prevent the likes of what [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Thank you again, Seconded. I've never consciously noticed it before, but Snapper's posts ARE truly refreshing. > J. Veil wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > be > responsible for any such costs that may appear on any future phone bills. What does that have to do with Telstra? Its your phone, not theirs > If they insist then I say to them, well, I can go and buy this product > from > somewhere else or you can conclude the sale without the info. Your choice. What a tool >> J. Veil wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > What a tool Agreed. Far either just to give them Micheal J Ellis' details. They rarely ask for ID unless it's required by law. > Agreed. Far either just to give them Micheal J Ellis' details. They > rarely ask for ID unless it's required by law. Far either? Do you have a lisp? SignatureKwyj. >> Agreed. Far either just to give them Micheal J Ellis' details. They >> rarely ask for ID unless it's required by law. >> > Far either? Do you have a lisp? I'm a Southerner. Michael wrote... > > I quickly rang Telstra and advised them that under no circumstances will I > > be responsible for any such costs that may appear on any future phone bills. > > What does that have to do with Telstra? Its your phone, not theirs Everything. Telstra is the one that issues the bills. I wanted to make it clear that if such charges appeared on my bill that I would not be paying them. The guy accomodated me by placing the bar on the service. It's called pro-active consumerism. > > If they insist then I say to them, well, I can go and buy this product > > from somewhere else or you can conclude the sale without the info. Your choice. > What a tool Well, fuckwit, do you give all your details out to whoever you buy stuff from? If so, good luck to you. The rest of us would like to ensure some privacy in this ever increasingly privacy-less world... > Michael wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It's called pro-active consumerism. No, its called "w.nk w.nk w.nk" You, sir, are a w.nker >> > If they insist then I say to them, well, I can go and buy this product >> > from somewhere else or you can conclude the sale without the info. Your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, fuckwit, do you give all your details out to whoever you buy stuff > from? Sure, why not? I dont have a tinfoil hat either, are they the latest fashion? > If so, good luck to you. The rest of us would like to ensure some privacy > in > this ever increasingly privacy-less world... Stop being a big girls blouse. >> Michael wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Sure, why not? I dont have a tinfoil hat either, are they the latest > fashion? What's the relevance of tinfoil hats? He just hates marketing crap, and giving your details out to businesses is a great way to ensure you receive marketing crap. >>> Michael wrote... >>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > What's the relevance of tinfoil hats? They provide 'splashback' protection for Mr Ellis while he carries out the duties of his chosen vocation. SignatureKwyj. Horry wrote... > What's the relevance of tinfoil hats? He's grasping at, well, tinfoil hats... > He just hates marketing crap, and giving your details out to businesses is > a great way to ensure you receive marketing crap. Perazkly. To top it off we're regularly getting faxes from mobs selling holidays, winery tours and so on. I think that I may know the culprit who "onsold" our fax number as it isn't listed. It's a faxstream duet service with distinctive ring on the home phone line. What annoys me is that machine, a Brother MFC, gets used occasionally for printing, more for scanning and sending faxes. So, most of the ink in the picolitre sized ink tanks gets wasted on these faxes. And there's no return number to call them to tell 'em to f.ck off, just the advertiser. If I had THEIR fax number a few solid black pages would be on their way, every day... > Horry wrote >> What's the relevance of tinfoil hats? > He's grasping at, well, tinfoil hats... >> He just hates marketing crap, and giving your details out to >> businesses is a great way to ensure you receive marketing crap. > Perazkly. > To top it off we're regularly getting faxes from mobs selling holidays, winery tours and so on. > I think that I may know the culprit who "onsold" our fax number as it > isn't listed. It's a faxstream duet service with distinctive ring on > the home phone line. > What annoys me is that machine, a Brother MFC, gets used occasionally > for printing, more for scanning and sending faxes. So, most of the > ink in the picolitre sized ink tanks gets wasted on these faxes. And > there's no return number to call them to tell 'em to f.ck off, just > the advertiser. > If I had THEIR fax number a few solid black pages would be on their > way, every day... Try putting a caller ID displaying phone on the line to see if you can get the number that way. Rod Speed wrote... > Try putting a caller ID displaying phone on the line to see if you can get the number that way. I have. They all come up as "private caller", with the occasional "overseas' on the CLID. > Rod Speed wrote >> Try putting a caller ID displaying phone on the >> line to see if you can get the number that way. > I have. They all come up as "private caller", with the occasional "overseas' on the CLID. Then unless you have foip (fax over voip), it wouldnt be much use to you anyway. The better faxes can reject fax calls that dont present their caller ID, or just use the PC to receive faxes, so you dont waste ink on the spam. It should even be possible to have the PC recieve only the faxes that dont present their Caller ID. Rod Speed wrote... > The better faxes can reject fax calls that dont present their caller ID, That would be a handy feature. I have a Brother MFC, but it's the cheaper model, bought two years ago. Still, I'll check its settings out, though I don't recall seeing anything like that. > or just use the PC to receive faxes, so you dont waste ink on the spam. Another option but that requires a fax modem and a PC to be running all the time. which I have neither of. Probably the easiest option is to see if Telstra will change the faxstream number. Of course whoever gets my number in the reallocation process may be stuck with fax screeching when a call comes in... > Rod Speed wrote >> The better faxes can reject fax calls that dont present their caller ID, > That would be a handy feature. I have a Brother MFC, but it's > the cheaper model, bought two years ago. Still, I'll check its > settings out, though I don't recall seeing anything like that. >> or just use the PC to receive faxes, so you dont waste ink on the spam. > Another option but that requires a fax modem Your dialup modem should be able to do that fine. Presumably you still have one of those for when the broadband is down etc. They cost peanuts now even if you dont. > and a PC to be running all the time. Yeah, tho I always have 2 on all the time. > which I have neither of. > Probably the easiest option is to see if Telstra will change the faxstream number. Yeah, they certainly will. Presumably there is a small charge for that. > Of course whoever gets my number in the reallocation process > may be stuck with fax screeching when a call comes in... They dont reallocate it immediately and by then the spammer may well have taken it of the list when it never answers. Or just leave the fax off and only turn it on when you expect an incoming fax. Thats what I do, I get so few now. >> Probably the easiest option is to see if Telstra will change the >> faxstream number. > > Yeah, they certainly will. Presumably there is a small charge for that. not for unwelcome calls > Rod Speed wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > be > stuck with fax screeching when a call comes in... 6 mth quarantine period applies, and most of the fax spammers will take your number off the list afterr they get the disconnected message a few times >Rod Speed wrote... > >> Try putting a caller ID displaying phone on the line to see if you can get the number that way. > >I have. They all come up as "private caller", with the occasional "overseas' on >the CLID. My "betting voucher" call in Lismore came from an anonymous number. Landlord reckons his in Grafton came from an 08 number......??? ----------------------------------------------- Death is Nature's way of telling you you aren't needed, any more. brian w edginton wrote... > My "betting voucher" call in Lismore came from an anonymous number. > Landlord reckons his in Grafton came from an 08 number......??? I've posted the two numbers of the trivial contest and the betting mob here in other messages. One, I think, was from QLD, the other from NSW. I now will ignore all incoming calls that originate from out of state as I know no-one who lives interstate who has my mobile. If it comes via a private caller, then I need to decide, as I get calls from work that are unlisted numbers. > brian w edginton wrote >> My "betting voucher" call in Lismore came from an anonymous number. >> Landlord reckons his in Grafton came from an 08 number......??? > I've posted the two numbers of the trivial contest and the betting mob here > in other messages. One, I think, was from QLD, the other from NSW. > I now will ignore all incoming calls that originate from out of state > as I know no-one who lives interstate who has my mobile. If it comes > via a private caller, then I need to decide, as I get calls from work > that are unlisted numbers. And you can get calls from operations like the cops or the hospital etc that dont show their caller ID. It would be a real problem if she who must be obeyed etc ended up in a car crash etc and couldnt call you. Rod Speed wrote... > And you can get calls from operations like the cops or the hospital etc > that dont show their caller ID. It would be a real problem if she who > must be obeyed etc ended up in a car crash etc and couldnt call you. If whoever is calling is "private number" and they bother to leave a message we'll pick up if they're legit callers. It doesn't happen that much anyway (that call centres actually leave messages). What sh.ts me are those that do call, then place YOU on hold saying that their operators are all busy.... That's what ended up prompting us to ignore the private callers. As for emergency services one would hope that if they got the answering machine that they'd leave a message. Of course if it's that bad then the police generally come around. It's already happened once... > Rod Speed wrote >> And you can get calls from operations like the cops or the hospital etc >> that dont show their caller ID. It would be a real problem if she who >> must be obeyed etc ended up in a car crash etc and couldnt call you. > If whoever is calling is "private number" and they bother to leave > a message we'll pick up if they're legit callers. It doesn't happen > that much anyway (that call centres actually leave messages). > What sh.ts me are those that do call, then place YOU > on hold saying that their operators are all busy.... > That's what ended up prompting us to ignore the private callers. > As for emergency services one would hope that if they > got the answering machine that they'd leave a message. Dunno, havent tried that myself. > Of course if it's that bad then the police generally come around. Sure, but generally you'd prefer the quicker phone call. And the hospital presumably doenst bother to visit in person if the message doesnt get thru. > It's already happened once... I've mostly got phone calls from the cops. Not always tho. >> It's already happened once... > > I've mostly got phone calls from the cops. Not always tho. Your complaint file is growing, I see >>> It's already happened once... >> I've mostly got phone calls from the cops. Not always tho. > Your complaint file is growing, I see Obvious lie, you've clearly wanked yourself blind. The most recent time they called me was to give me a reference number for a crime I reported to them. The time before that, they rang me to tell me that a couple of stupid kids had been roaming the neighbourhood with a wheelbarrow, quite literally, one night and loading it from people's cars, to ask me to come down to the copshop and pickup my stuff they had got from my car. >>>> It's already happened once... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > literally, one night and loading it from people's cars, to ask me to come > down to the copshop and pickup my stuff they had got from my car. Why would they steal sh.t from your car? > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>> It's already happened once... >>>> I've mostly got phone calls from the cops. Not always tho. >>> Your complaint file is growing, I see >> Obvious lie, you've clearly wanked yourself blind. >> The most recent time they called me was to give me >> a reference number for a crime I reported to them. >> The time before that, they rang me to tell me that a couple of stupid >> kids had been roaming the neighbourhood with a wheelbarrow, quite >> literally, one night and loading it from people's cars, to ask me to come down to the copshop and pickup my stuff >> they had got from my car. > Why would they steal sh.t from your car? Same reason they were stupid enough to 'think' that they would get away with wheeling a wheelbarrow around the streets filling it from every car they could get into. Those two aint exactly what you might call rocket scientist material. The problem is between their ears, trivially measurably. > To top it off we're regularly getting faxes from mobs selling holidays, > winery > tours and so on. Yeah I get that sh.t on my work fax now. > I think that I may know the culprit who "onsold" our fax number as it > isn't > listed. It's a faxstream duet service with distinctive ring on the home > phone > line. Mine isnt listed either. > > Well, fuckwit, do you give all your details out to whoever you buy stuff > > from? > > Sure, why not? Becuase you might value your privacy? PD SignaturePaul Day > Have I been leading a sheltered live? Yes > All of a sudden I got a person to person call from someone wanting to sell > me a different provider and a recorded message insisting on the virtues of > gambling. > > Is mobile spamming new? Spam is e-mail. You didn't get spam > Can one take worthwhile actions to report this type of pest? Report? To whom? and about what? Anyone has always been free to call your mobile anytime they like > Interested to hear your opinions, > > John |
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