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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / June 2008Telstra attacks Optus over iPhone claims
From http://news.theage.com.au/national/telstra-attacks-optus-over-iphone-claims-2008 0612-2pl2.html Telstra has threatened legal action against rival Optus, claiming the Singapore-owned telco has made misleading comments about the Apple iPhone's compatibility with its new network. Optus this week announced it would launch the long-awaited third-generation iPhone in Australia on July 11. "With Optus, more iPhone users can enjoy 3G services as we expand our network to 96 per cent of the population by December 2008 and 98 per cent by December 2009," Optus chief executive Paul O'Sullivan said in a statement. But Telstra said such claims were misleading because the iPhone was not compatible with the 900 megahertz Optus network to which Mr O'Sullivan was referring. Telstra lawyer Jennifer Crichton faxed a warning to Optus' legal department on Thursday. "Telstra is concerned that Optus may represent to customers that they can enjoy a range of 3G features and services with Optus using a 3G device and that they will be able to access those services in more places as Optus expands its network," the fax reads. "However, in fact those features and services will not be available if the 3G device is incompatible with Optus' 3G 900MHz network. "Telstra considers that any such representation amounts to misleading or deceptive conduct, or be likely to mislead and deceive consumers in breach of section 52 of the Trade Practices Act (TPA) 1974 ... or otherwise amounts to a false representation in breach of section 53 of the TPA in relation to the quality of the service. "Telstra will continue to monitor Optus' claims in relation to use of 3G devices on its 3G 900 MHZ network, and will not hesitate to take such action as is appropriate." Telstra spokesman Peter Taylor said Mr O'Sullivan's comments were like "someone claiming they can get cable TV without a cable". "It's important that consumers understand when they are choosing their mobiles that some of these new phones simply won't work properly on other frequencies like 900," Mr Taylor said. The iPhone is compatible with Telstra's 850MHz NextG network Alan Poxington <w.nker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote > From > http://news.theage.com.au/national/telstra-attacks-optus-over-iphone-claims-2008 0612-2pl2.html > Telstra has threatened legal action against rival Optus, claiming the Singapore-owned telco has made misleading > comments about the Apple iPhone's compatibility with its new network. Corse telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ? > Optus this week announced it would launch the long-awaited > third-generation iPhone in Australia on July 11. And Telstra cant manage anything like that. > "With Optus, more iPhone users can enjoy 3G services as we expand our network to 96 per cent of the population by > December 2008 and 98 percent by December 2009," Optus chief executive Paul O'Sullivan said in a statement. Suck on that, Telstra. > But Telstra said such claims were misleading because the iPhone was not compatible with the 900 megahertz Optus > network to which Mr O'Sullivan was referring. Corse telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ? > Telstra lawyer Jennifer Crichton faxed a warning to Optus' legal department on Thursday. And they wiped their arse with it. > "Telstra is concerned that Optus may represent to customers that they can enjoy a range of 3G features and services > with Optus using a 3G device and that they will be able to access those services in more places as Optus expands its > network," the fax reads. Like it or lump it, fuckwits. > "However, in fact those features and services will not be available > if the 3G device is incompatible with Optus' 3G 900MHz network. Like it or lump it, fuckwits. > "Telstra considers that any such representation amounts to misleading > or deceptive conduct, or be likely to mislead and deceive consumers > in breach of section 52 of the Trade Practices Act (TPA) 1974 ... or > otherwise amounts to a false representation in breach of section 53 > of the TPA in relation to the quality of the service. Telstra has always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant. > "Telstra will continue to monitor Optus' claims in relation to use of 3G devices on its 3G 900 MHZ network, and will > not hesitate to take such action as is appropriate." You're always welcome to send them another fax, dinosaurs. > Telstra spokesman Peter Taylor said Mr O'Sullivan's comments were like "someone claiming they can get cable TV without > a cable". Bare faced lie. > "It's important that consumers understand when they are choosing their mobiles that some of these new phones simply > won't work properly on other frequencies like 900," Mr Taylor said. Bare faced lie. > The iPhone is compatible with Telstra's 850MHz NextG network Then why arent you clowns flogging it, fuckwits ? > Alan Poxington <w.nker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Bare faced lie. How is it a bare faced lie? The iPhone 3G can't operate at 900Mhz (unless Jobs is bringing out another, special, 2100/900Mhz model). >> The iPhone is compatible with Telstra's 850MHz NextG network > > Then why arent you clowns flogging it, fuckwits ? > Rod Speed wrote >> Alan Poxington <w.nker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote >>> From >>> http://news.theage.com.au/national/telstra-attacks-optus-over-iphone-claims-2008 0612-2pl2.html >>> Telstra has threatened legal action against rival Optus, claiming >>> the Singapore-owned telco has made misleading comments >>> about the Apple iPhone's compatibility with its new network. >> Corse telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ? >>> Optus this week announced it would launch the long-awaited >>> third-generation iPhone in Australia on July 11. >> And Telstra cant manage anything like that. >>> "With Optus, more iPhone users can enjoy 3G services as we expand >>> our network to 96 per cent of the population by December 2008 and >>> 98 percent by December 2009," Optus chief executive Paul O'Sullivan >>> said in a statement. >> Suck on that, Telstra. >>> But Telstra said such claims were misleading because the iPhone was >>> not compatible with the 900 megahertz Optus network to which Mr >>> O'Sullivan was referring. >> Corse telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ? >>> Telstra lawyer Jennifer Crichton faxed a warning to Optus' legal >>> department on Thursday. >> And they wiped their arse with it. >>> "Telstra is concerned that Optus may represent to customers that >>> they can enjoy a range of 3G features and services with Optus using >>> a 3G device and that they will be able to access those services in >>> more places as Optus expands its network," the fax reads. >> Like it or lump it, fuckwits. >>> "However, in fact those features and services will not be available >>> if the 3G device is incompatible with Optus' 3G 900MHz network. >> Like it or lump it, fuckwits. >>> "Telstra considers that any such representation amounts to >>> misleading or deceptive conduct, or be likely to mislead and >>> deceive consumers in breach of section 52 of the Trade Practices >>> Act (TPA) 1974 ... or otherwise amounts to a false representation >>> in breach of section 53 of the TPA in relation to the quality of the service. >> Telstra has always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant. >>> "Telstra will continue to monitor Optus' claims in relation to use >>> of 3G devices on its 3G 900 MHZ network, and will not hesitate to >>> take such action as is appropriate." >> You're always welcome to send them another fax, dinosaurs. >>> Telstra spokesman Peter Taylor said Mr O'Sullivan's comments were >>> like "someone claiming they can get cable TV without a cable". >> Bare faced lie. >>> "It's important that consumers understand when they are choosing >>> their mobiles that some of these new phones simply won't work >>> properly on other frequencies like 900," Mr Taylor said. >> Bare faced lie. > How is it a bare faced lie? The iPhone 3G can't operate at 900Mhz > (unless Jobs is bringing out another, special, 2100/900Mhz model). That limitation only applys to PART of the network, not the whole network. And thats just as true of Telstra's network too. >>> The iPhone is compatible with Telstra's 850MHz NextG network >> Then why arent you clowns flogging it, fuckwits ? >> How is it a bare faced lie? The iPhone 3G can't operate at 900Mhz >> (unless Jobs is bringing out another, special, 2100/900Mhz model). > > That limitation only applys to PART of the network, not the whole network. What on earth are you talking about? >>> How is it a bare faced lie? The iPhone 3G can't operate at 900Mhz >>> (unless Jobs is bringing out another, special, 2100/900Mhz model). >> That limitation only applys to PART of the network, not the whole network. > What on earth are you talking about? The entire Optarse network isnt entirely on 900MHz, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. >>>> How is it a bare faced lie? The iPhone 3G can't operate at 900Mhz >>>> (unless Jobs is bringing out another, special, 2100/900Mhz model). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The entire Optarse network isnt entirely on 900MHz, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. No-one said it was. > Rod Speed wrote >>>>> How is it a bare faced lie? The iPhone 3G can't operate at 900Mhz >>>>> (unless Jobs is bringing out another, special, 2100/900Mhz model). >>>> That limitation only applys to PART of the network, not the whole network. >>> What on earth are you talking about? >> The entire Optarse network isnt entirely on 900MHz, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > No-one said it was. No one said they did. >>>> "It's important that consumers understand when they are choosing >>>> their mobiles that some of these new phones simply won't work [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > That limitation only applys to PART of the network, not the whole > network. You're saying that the limitation of the 3G iPhone (that it doesn't work on the 900Mhz frequency) only applies to part of Optus' network? Are you suggesting that the 3G iPhone WILL work at 900Mhz on some parts of the Optus network? > And thats just as true of Telstra's network too. The 3G iPhone's limitation doesn't affect Telstra's network because the entirety of the Next G network operates at 850Mhz (which the 3G iPhone supports). > Rod Speed wrote >>>>> "It's important that consumers understand when they are choosing >>>>> their mobiles that some of these new phones simply won't work >>>>> properly on other frequencies like 900," Mr Taylor said. >>>> Bare faced lie. >>> How is it a bare faced lie? The iPhone 3G can't operate at 900Mhz >>> (unless Jobs is bringing out another, special, 2100/900Mhz model). >> That limitation only applys to PART of the network, not the whole network. > You're saying that the limitation of the 3G iPhone (that it doesn't work > on the 900Mhz frequency) only applies to part of Optus' network? Yes. > Are you suggesting that the 3G iPhone WILL work > at 900Mhz on some parts of the Optus network? Depends on what you call work. >> And thats just as true of Telstra's network too. > The 3G iPhone's limitation doesn't affect Telstra's network because the entirety > of the Next G network operates at 850Mhz (which the 3G iPhone supports). There is more to Telstra's network than JUST the NextG network. >> Alan Poxington <w.nker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > How is it a bare faced lie? The iPhone 3G can't operate at 900Mhz (unless > Jobs is bringing out another, special, 2100/900Mhz model). Lookie here:- http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html Cellular and wireless a.. UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz) b.. GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz) c.. Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) d.. Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR According to:- http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/824576.html This is the spec for Optus's 3G ntework:- Optus Mobile 3G Radio Freqnecy: 2100Mhz Voice system: WBCDMA Mobile Internet System: 3G UMTS and 3G HSDPA Service Location: Metro + major regional areas like Newcastle (NSW) Popualtion Coverage: claimed 55% Mobile Intranet Service: Optus Zoo See something there? You only drop back to EDGE on 900MHz if you are outside Optus's 3G area. Keith >>> Alan Poxington <w.nker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote >>> [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > > See something there? Yeah, you're an idiot. > You only drop back to EDGE on 900MHz if you are outside Optus's 3G area. That's out of date (see the reference to 55% population coverage). And we're not talking about EDGE. To get to "96 per cent of the population by December 2008", Optus is "rolling out" 900Mhz UMTS/HSDPA in regional and remote parts of Australia. The 3G iPhone will NOT work at that frequency. |
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