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Using a Class 1 headset with Class 2 cell phone

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mikesbaker2002@yahoo.com - 04 Oct 2007 18:57 GMT
Given: Class 1 Bluetooth headset has a range of 100 meters.

Given: Class 2 cell phone has a range of 10 meters.

Query: Will the Class 2 cell phone's range also extend to 100 meters
when paired with the Class 1 headset?  I know that signal clarity will
increase due to the boosted signal, but what happens when you put the
phone down on the goal line of a football field and start walking away
to the 50 yard line?  Will the signal drop beyond the 10 meter
specification of the Class 2 cell phone?

Second query:  How does one identify the Bluetooth class of one's
Bluetooth-enabled cell phone?  My Verizon rep directed me to Samsung
for my phone, but the tech support rep couldn't "see that information
on her screen."

Third query:  If one does indeed require a Class 1 cell phone in order
to take advantage of the full range of the Class 1 headset, then there
must be Class 1 cell phones currently available in the market.  Yet,
it is not easy to find out from most phone manufacturers about the
class.

I'm interested to hear the responses...

mikesbaker2002@yahoo.com
John Henderson - 04 Oct 2007 21:14 GMT
> Given: Class 1 Bluetooth headset has a range of 100 meters.
>
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> Will the signal drop beyond the 10 meter specification of the
> Class 2 cell phone?

Yes.  The range is limited by the class 2 device.  You'll
probably gain a little extra distance using it in combination
with a class 1 device, but it'll be very much closer to 10
metres than to 100.

> Second query:  How does one identify the Bluetooth class of
> one's Bluetooth-enabled cell phone?  My Verizon rep directed
> me to Samsung for my phone, but the tech support rep couldn't
> "see that information on her screen."

From the manufacturer's specifications.  Other than that, it's
by experimentation, although I've found a lot of variability in
the actual range of class 2 devices.  My old Siemens phone
works happily at over 30 metres to a standard class 1 device,
whereas the Sony-Ericsson is much closer to the specified 10
metres.

> Third query:  If one does indeed require a Class 1 cell phone
> in order to take advantage of the full range of the Class 1
> headset, then there must be Class 1 cell phones currently
> available in the market.

I'm not aware of any class 1 mobile phones.  Class 2 devices are
more commonly used in industrial applications or for creating
local networks.

>  Yet, it is not easy to find out from most phone manufacturers
> about the class.

Class 1 devices will usually proudly advertise the fact.

> I'm interested to hear the responses...

I find I get noticeably greater distance between my class 1
Parani SD100 Bluetooth RS232 adapter and class 2 phones by
fitting the SD100 with the optional dipole antenna (advertised
as 400 metres between 2 similarly equipped units).

John
John Henderson - 04 Oct 2007 21:36 GMT
I wrote:

> Class 2 devices are more commonly used in industrial
> applications or for creating local networks.

That should say "class 1" of course.

John
mikesbaker2002@yahoo.com - 05 Oct 2007 21:20 GMT
>  mikesbaker2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Given: Class 1 Bluetooth headset has a range of 100 meters.
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>
> John

The Motorola RAZR manual (PDF) states it uses a Class 1 radio.  I
haven't read it with my own eyes, but apparently the new Blackjack,
Palm Treo, and the Moto SLVR have Class 1 radios.
mikesbaker2002@yahoo.com - 05 Oct 2007 22:02 GMT
On Oct 5, 3:20 pm, mikesbaker2...@yahoo.com wrote:

> >  mikesbaker2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Given: Class 1 Bluetooth headset has a range of 100 meters.
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> haven't read it with my own eyes, but apparently the new Blackjack,
> Palm Treo, and the Moto SLVR have Class 1 radios.

Of course, this means those of us who *must* have a 100M range BT
headset will essentially be "wearing" a cell phone with a 100 mW radio
right on their head, thus soaking up plenty of RF goodies.  I liken
this to folks who refuse to wear motorcycle helmets by saying "I
prefer to let evolution take its course."
Bob Fry - 04 Oct 2007 23:24 GMT
>>>>> "mb" == mikesbaker  <mikesbaker2002@yahoo.com> writes:

   mb> Given: Class 1 Bluetooth headset has a range of 100 meters.
   mb> Given: Class 2 cell phone has a range of 10 meters.

Whoa!  Where did you get a Class 1 BT headset??  That would be great
for use with Skype: Class 1 BT dongle on your PC, make the connection
at the PC then free to wander the house with the BT headset.
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mikesbaker2002@yahoo.com - 05 Oct 2007 21:17 GMT
> >>>>> "mb" == mikesbaker  <mikesbaker2...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> give the wrong answers.
> --Peter Kay

I don't have such a headset -- my questions more theoretical.
 
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