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Laptop and Cellphone?

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Ryan - 24 Jul 2003 02:37 GMT
Hey, Im pretty much a cellphone newb, never had one so sorry if my questions
are kinda silly.  I need a phone for college, but I was thinking that
wireless internet would be really great.  I heard I need a CDMA phone...
not sure exactly what kind..  How would I link my laptop to the cell anyway,
IR?  If anyone can explain this to me.  Possibly suggest a phone and a plan,
it would be much appreciated.  Thanks alot guys.
James Knott - 24 Jul 2003 11:48 GMT
> Hey, Im pretty much a cellphone newb, never had one so sorry if my
> questions
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> plan,
> it would be much appreciated.  Thanks alot guys.

Many digital phones, not just CDMA, can emulate a modem.  However those
phones are limited to about 9600 b/s.  Also, the cell company has to
support that service.  There are some new phones that support GPRS or other
high speed protocols, that connect via serial port or USB.

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Stuart G. Friedman - 24 Jul 2003 14:23 GMT
Ryan,

Why don't you tell us where you live (or where you want to use your phone if
that is different, e.g. college) and what your intended use is (emergency
communications, landline replacement, talk to friends, business, etc).  Also
indicate whether you pretty much confine yourself to one place or are a
frequent traveler.

Stu

> > Hey, Im pretty much a cellphone newb, never had one so sorry if my
> > questions
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> support that service.  There are some new phones that support GPRS or other
> high speed protocols, that connect via serial port or USB.
Ryan - 24 Jul 2003 21:24 GMT
Well I live in Bayonne, NJ. My school is in West Long Branch.  Using the
Laptop on the train and having a net connection would be pretty sweet...
Intended use is basically just surfing and communicating when there isnt an
available internet connection.  Also, Ill be in Maryland in like 2 weeks,
not sure if Ill have it by then, but it would certainly be good if I could
use wireless instead of the hotels internet and get ripped off.  Thanks guys
> Ryan,
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> other
> > high speed protocols, that connect via serial port or USB.
Donald Newcomb - 25 Jul 2003 02:08 GMT
> Well I live in Bayonne, NJ. My school is in West Long Branch.  Using the
> Laptop on the train and having a net connection would be pretty sweet...
> Intended use is basically just surfing and communicating when there isnt an
> available internet connection.  Also, Ill be in Maryland in like 2 weeks,
> not sure if Ill have it by then, but it would certainly be good if I could
> use wireless instead of the hotels internet and get ripped off.  Thanks guys

You might find that a T-Mobile GSM/GPRS phone with the $20 unlimited
internet option would work for you. Verizon and Sprint might also work well,
also. A colleague of mine had a lot of problems with Verizon charging him
for roaming when he was in an area that was supposed to be his home service
area. Each month for several months they took hundreds of dollars off the
bill. Then they gave him a "get out of your contract for free card" and he
went with another carrier.
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Stuart Friedman - 26 Jul 2003 15:08 GMT
T-Mobile would be my suggestion as well.  They have the least expensive
rates for both minutes and internet.  While Sprint Vision is technically
cheaper
as to Internet usage, technically you are not supposed to be using laptops
on it and who knows when they will start cracking down.  The GSM providers
(T-Mobile, ATT, and Cingular) use a form of wireless data called GPRS.  Its
competitor CDMA 1X  is offered by Sprint and Verizon.  GPRS at this moment
in time is slower than CDMA 1X, but you pay significantly more for unlimited
data from Sprint or Verizon.  On Verizon, I think it is $79 a month.  On
Sprint I think it is $89 a month.  Compare that to $19 with T-Mobile and I
think that for most people the slower solution makes more sense.

If I were you, I'd spring for the Bluetooth solution.  Add a Bluetooth card
to your laptop and you can seemlessly connect your laptop or a bluetooth
enabled PDA to the net.  The reason why I asked where you were is that in
certain parts of the country, certain providers are stronger than elsewhere.
T-Mobile has solid coverage in the Eastern corridor.  Its problems are in
the true heartland in states like Nebraska, the Dakotas, Wyoming, etc.

While it is not the cheapest phone that T-Mobile offers, look at the 3650.
I haven't look for this particular phone, but take a look at Amazon.com's
deals on T-Mobile.  They often have pretty good deals on the phones when you
sign up for a plan.

Stu

> Well I live in Bayonne, NJ. My school is in West Long Branch.  Using the
> Laptop on the train and having a net connection would be pretty sweet...
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Ryan - 26 Jul 2003 17:27 GMT
Thats certainly a nice phone, but really way past what I can spend.  Also
the camera is unecessary, so if you know of something thats a bit more
reasonable, let me know.  Thanks
> T-Mobile would be my suggestion as well.  They have the least expensive
> rates for both minutes and internet.  While Sprint Vision is technically
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Ryan - 26 Jul 2003 17:39 GMT
Ugh, my mom is basically forcing me to go with Sprint because thats what she
uses... not sure what to do now.
> Thats certainly a nice phone, but really way past what I can spend.  Also
> the camera is unecessary, so if you know of something thats a bit more
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Donald Newcomb - 26 Jul 2003 18:28 GMT
> Ugh, my mom is basically forcing me to go with Sprint because thats what she
> uses... not sure what to do now.

Pay for your own cellular service? Ever hear of the "Golden Rule". (Them
what brings the gold makes the rules.)
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John Bartley K7AAY (ex-KGH2126) - 24 Jul 2003 18:56 GMT
>Hey, Im pretty much a cellphone newb, never had one so sorry if my questions
>are kinda silly.  I need a phone for college, but I was thinking that
>wireless internet would be really great.  

Yep.

Don't try it with TDMA systems (used by ATT Wireless, Cingular, many
others), it won't work.  It _can_ work, but it won't. Als, avoid iDEN
systems (NEXTEL), their data service is slow (9.6kbbps).

>I heard I need a CDMA phone...

All CDMA phones are capable, but you also need the data cable to the
laptop, and not all phones have cables available.

See http://celdata.cjb.net for a list of some CDMA systems.
Majors are Verizon and SprintPCS, and they have the CDMA2000 1xRTT systems
which deliver data much faster than standard '2g' type CDMA (14.4kbps).

However, your cellular carrier must also allow you to use their system for
data, and that can be an extra $5-10/month, sometimes more.

All GSM phones are capable, and unlike CDMA (which AFAIK does not have
infrared links), many GSM phones have an IR link.  GSM major carriers are
ATT Wireless, T-Mobile (nee Voicestream) and Cingular.  

GSM delivers data at a thundering 9.6kbps, but you can use their GPRS
add-on for multiple channels of data. The GPRS phones vary widely as to how
many channels up and down they deliver data; find out before you buy.

>not sure exactly what kind..  How would I link my laptop to the cell anyway,
>IR?  If anyone can explain this to me.  Possibly suggest a phone and a plan,
>it would be much appreciated.  Thanks alot guys.

Again, check the voice plans, and then say, 'and how much extra will it
cost to use my phone to let my laptop browse the web?'

You can also get a PC Card from many cellular companies to plug inside your
laptop for data use.... faster and handier than an IR link or a cable. I
would live in mortal fearif I used an IR link, because I'd forget the phone
and leave it behind sooner or later.
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