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Can a Cell Phone in the US (California) block outgoing Caller ID info?

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Steve Jacobs - 29 Aug 2004 16:23 GMT
Last night my daughter was either in receipt of a death threat or the
victim of a prank call. The caller claimed to be watching our house
and thus had to be using a cell phone. On her cell phone there was no
caller ID info but rather 'Caller ID not available'. Over the years
members of my family have had cell phones from about half a dozen
companies here in California (3 currently) and none have advertised a
way to block outgoing caller ID info. I've never received a cell phone
call without it's number appearing on my caller ID screen.

So, my question is: can a cell phone caller block outgoing info? If
not, the call was a prank. If so, we won't know....…
Notan - 29 Aug 2004 16:31 GMT
> Last night my daughter was either in receipt of a death threat or the
> victim of a prank call. The caller claimed to be watching our house
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> So, my question is: can a cell phone caller block outgoing info? If
> not, the call was a prank. If so, we won't know....…

SprintPCS affords the option of blocking all outgoing IDs.

If I want my ID to be seen, I've got to dial #82, first.

Notan
Steve Sobol - 29 Aug 2004 17:19 GMT
> SprintPCS affords the option of blocking all outgoing IDs.

As do all carriers.

> If I want my ID to be seen, I've got to dial #82, first.

Nope. It's *82, and *67 to block CID on a per-call basis if you don't have it
perma-blocked. These dialing codes are industry-standard and are used for the
same purposes on landlines.

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Notan - 29 Aug 2004 18:24 GMT
> > SprintPCS affords the option of blocking all outgoing IDs.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> perma-blocked. These dialing codes are industry-standard and are used for the
> same purposes on landlines.

Ooops. I *meant* *82.

Thanks!

Notan
Archon - 29 Aug 2004 23:19 GMT
Major Caveat. Your number gets reported regardless of what you do if you
call Law Enforcement or any "800" number; and there may be other
conditions that would make an attempt to block a number fail.
Notan - 30 Aug 2004 00:42 GMT
> Major Caveat. Your number gets reported regardless of what you do if you
> call Law Enforcement or any "800" number; and there may be other
> conditions that would make an attempt to block a number fail.

What's interesting is, here in California, a 9-1-1 call to the CHP
gets you an operator that asks for the number that you're calling
from.

Hmmm.

Notan
Joseph - 30 Aug 2004 04:35 GMT
>> Major Caveat. Your number gets reported regardless of what you do if you
>> call Law Enforcement or any "800" number; and there may be other
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>gets you an operator that asks for the number that you're calling
>from.

That's only because the 911 center that the call is being routed to
does not have the proper equipment to tell them what the ANI says.

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Jack Hamilton - 30 Aug 2004 05:42 GMT
>> Major Caveat. Your number gets reported regardless of what you do if you
>> call Law Enforcement or any "800" number; and there may be other
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>gets you an operator that asks for the number that you're calling
>from.

And why would they need or want to know that?  The message behind asking
seems to be that they don't want to receive anonymous tips.

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Joseph - 30 Aug 2004 04:34 GMT
>Major Caveat. Your number gets reported regardless of what you do if you
>call Law Enforcement or any "800" number; and there may be other
>conditions that would make an attempt to block a number fail.

What are the other "conditions" that would make an attempt to block a
number fail?

Also note that CID and ANI are not the same thing.

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Joseph - 29 Aug 2004 18:49 GMT
>Last night my daughter was either in receipt of a death threat or the
>victim of a prank call. The caller claimed to be watching our house
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>companies here in California (3 currently) and none have advertised a
>way to block outgoing caller ID info.

You must have lead a sheltered life!  All phones whether cell phones
or land line phones have the ability to block caller ID.  Depending on
whether it's a GSM phone or another type all calls can be blocked.
ANI can not be blocked but caller ID most certainly can be blocked by
keying *67 before a call or #31# on GSM systems.  And make sure you
know that there's a difference between a blocked call and a call where
there is no information available where you'll get out of area or
unavailable or no information at all.

>I've never received a cell phone
>call without it's number appearing on my caller ID screen.

Either you do not receive many calls or you never noticed before.

>So, my question is: can a cell phone caller block outgoing info?

Yes.  Very easily.  Of course you don't have to answer any number that
shows up as private or blocked (which it will if it's really blocked)
by the caller and you can just let it go to voicemail.  Or if you see
it's blocked and don't want to answer it just reject the call so it
goes to voicemail.
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Steve Jacobs - 29 Aug 2004 23:57 GMT
Thanks all.

Yep, she shouldn't answer ID blocked calls. She knows this, and she
answers them anyway.

>>Last night my daughter was either in receipt of a death threat or the
>>victim of a prank call. The caller claimed to be watching our house
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>goes to voicemail.
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John S. - 29 Aug 2004 21:35 GMT
>So, my question is: can a cell phone caller block outgoing info? If
>not, the call was a prank. If so, we won't know....…

As far as I know any *62<number> call has the caller ID blocked for that call.
This includes calls from land lines and cell phones.

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Steve Sobol - 29 Aug 2004 23:08 GMT
> As far as I know any *62<number> call has the caller ID blocked for that call.
> This includes calls from land lines and cell phones.

Close -- *67

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John S. - 29 Aug 2004 23:17 GMT
>> As far as I know any *62<number> call has the caller ID blocked for that
>call.
>> This includes calls from land lines and cell phones.
>
>Close -- *67

oops....

Never done it.

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Donald Newcomb - 30 Aug 2004 02:35 GMT
> So, my question is: can a cell phone caller block outgoing info? If
> not, the call was a prank. If so, we won't know.....

It doesn't matter. You should reoprt the incident to your phone company.
They *can* find out where the call came from. If the person had any sense,
it was a pay phone. Otherwise, the phone can be tracked back to the owner.

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Michael Datillo - 30 Aug 2004 22:00 GMT
I know in Delaware you can dial *67 before calling any phone and it blocks
the caller ID.  I am sure CA has the same thing.
> Last night my daughter was either in receipt of a death threat or the
> victim of a prank call. The caller claimed to be watching our house
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> So, my question is: can a cell phone caller block outgoing info? If
> not, the call was a prank. If so, we won't know.....
 
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