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Cellular Phone Forum / General / General Topics / December 2004Sprint, Nextel agree to merge
From NEWS.COM: http://myturl.com/001pR  SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. Steve, The best thing to come out of this deal for us might be the new coverage on Hwy 58 and Hwy 395 that Sprint will be getting as a result of this deal. Bishop, Mammoth, Mojave, Tehacapi, and Ridgecrest are included. The Nextel cell sites in that area will be converted to Sprint possibily in 12-18 months. > Steve, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > included. The Nextel cell sites in that area will be converted to > Sprint possibily in 12-18 months. Y'all know where my issues are with Sprint: by the cement plants, on National Trails Highway (old US 66/US 91) at Air Expressway in Victorville. That's the only big hole Sprint has around here - I'd like to see it fixed. Improving coverage on 395 in or around Adelanto may fix a couple minor problems I have out there too. *crossing fingers!* SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. >Steve, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >included. The Nextel cell sites in that area will be converted to >Sprint possibily in 12-18 months. Decidedly you're an optimist. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I can not believe my eyes. You people are talking about a couple of cell towers and how it will "improve your coverage in your small little corner of your world". What about the thousands of people that are going to lose there jobs on both the Sprint and Nextel side. And on top of it Sprint will be able to completely screw up Nextel as they have their own company and look what they have to do, buy a profitable company in order to make their company look good. It is indeed a sad day in the world of cellular and once again corporate greed prevails. :( > Steve, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > included. The Nextel cell sites in that area will be converted to > Sprint possibily in 12-18 months. > I can not believe my eyes. You people are talking about a couple of cell > towers and how it will "improve your coverage in your small little corner of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > company look good. It is indeed a sad day in the world of cellular and once > again corporate greed prevails. :( You are such a twit! "Corporate greed"? The ENTIRE purpose of a corporation is to return a profit for the shareholders! That's the way it is meant to be! And also supply jobs to the community which in turn spends money on cell plans, all a big circle. >> I can not believe my eyes. You people are talking about a couple of cell >> towers and how it will "improve your coverage in your small little corner [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > corporation is to return a profit for the shareholders! That's the way it > is meant to be! > "Corporate greed"? The ENTIRE purpose of a > corporation is to return a profit for the shareholders! That's the way it > is meant to be! But in fact what we're seeing is that the compensation paid to CEOs is growing by leaps and bounds, while stockholder returns and employee salaries have remained stagnant in terms of real dollars. SignatureJohn Richards >And also supply jobs to the community which in turn spends money on cell >plans, all a big circle. You don't have a very good grasp of reality do you? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - And how much is enough? 20%, 30%, 40%? More? >> I can not believe my eyes. You people are talking about a couple of cell >> towers and how it will "improve your coverage in your small little corner [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > corporation is to return a profit for the shareholders! That's the way it > is meant to be! The way capitalism is supposed to work, if one company was making that much profit, you'd see all sorts of new competition getting into the field, with the end result being a lowering of prices. SignatureJohn Richards > And how much is enough? 20%, 30%, 40%? More? > >> You are such a twit! "Corporate greed"? The ENTIRE purpose of a >> corporation is to return a profit for the shareholders! That's the way it >> is meant to be! > And how much is enough? 20%, 30%, 40%? More? 20, 30, 40% of what? Your waning IQ? ;) SignatureE-mail fudged to thwart spammers. Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply. Please, use your head...you must be from the east coast >> And how much is enough? 20%, 30%, 40%? More? > > 20, 30, 40% of what? Your waning IQ? ;) >> I can not believe my eyes. You people are talking about a couple of cell >> towers and how it will "improve your coverage in your small little corner [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >corporation is to return a profit for the shareholders! That's the way it >is meant to be! Well, no. Corporations are not natural entities. They are created by human laws, and their purpose is whatever those laws declare it to be. == Jack Hamilton jfh@acm.org == In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted comfort and security. And in the end, they lost it all - freedom, comfort and security. Edward Gibbon > I can not believe my eyes. You people are talking about a couple of cell > towers and how it will "improve your coverage in your small little corner of > your world". What about the thousands of people that are going to lose there > jobs on both the Sprint and Nextel side. Having lost jobs before due to companies being bought, I certainly don't wish to minimize the impact of the layoffs. Just because I haven't said anything about them -- and we don't know what exactly is going to happen yet, so any talk about layoffs is premature anyhow -- just because I haven't said anything about layoffs doesn't mean I'm cheering about them. > And on top of it Sprint will be > able to completely screw up Nextel as they have their own company and look > what they have to do, buy a profitable company in order to make their > company look good. It is indeed a sad day in the world of cellular and once > again corporate greed prevails. :( I'm sick and tired of hearing "X sucks." All cellular carriers suck. Nextel has pissed-off former customers too. Don't like Sprint? That's your choice and you have a right to your opinion. Sprint has worked well for me and has done better than another carrier that is supposed to have a far better network and far better customer service. YMMV. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > I can not believe my eyes. You people are talking about a couple of cell > towers and how it will "improve your coverage in your small little corner of > your world". What about the thousands of people that are going to lose there > jobs on both the Sprint and Nextel side. Have layoffs been announced yet? No, they haven't. And quite frankly, those jobs are just as much at risk if Sprint and Nextel DIDN'T merge. These two companies have to expand one way or another, or lose out, and that puts jobs in danger no matter hwo you slice it. I was an opponent of the merger, but after seeing the presentation, I'm cautiously neutral to it. And I'm still certain that if people do get laid off, those who are truly worth their salt will be able to find jobs with competitors. The cell networks in the US still have a long way to go to build out and upgrade. > And on top of it Sprint will be > able to completely screw up Nextel as they have their own company and look > what they have to do, buy a profitable company in order to make their > company look good. Actually, I see it this way: Nextel was on borrowed time with dead end technology and no clear upgrade path. A potentially chaotic spectrum swap was near. The easy way to avoid getting caught under such traps is to BE bought out by another company to help absorb the heavy costs ahead. If anything, Nextel is using Sprint as a life raft to transition to CDMA, which is why I had my misgivings about this merger. Remember, it takes two to tango, and Nextel could have very easily said "we're not for sale." > It is indeed a sad day in the world of cellular and once > again corporate greed prevails. :( Oh, boo hoo. SignatureE-mail fudged to thwart spammers. Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply. > I can not believe my eyes. You people are talking about a couple of cell > towers and how it will "improve your coverage in your small little corner of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > company look good. It is indeed a sad day in the world of cellular and once > again corporate greed prevails. :( You could probably use a little information before spouting off like that. If you had taken the time to research, you would have noticed that of the 8 executive positions named so far, 3 are from Sprint and 5 from Nextel. If you had read a little more, you would see that Sprint stockholders only hold 51% of the new company, and this was done for tax breaks on the spinoff of the landline division. Could it be that 2% of current Sprint stock is held in portfolios that also contain Nextel stock? If so, there is no advantage to either company. Maybe they do know what they are doing, and all of the Internet CEO wannabes are wrong. Although I have to admit that the noise about this is quite amusing. I was all excited about the arrangement until I found out that Sprint bought Nextel and not the other way around. I hear terrible things about Sprint, especially in the arena of billing and customer service. So, now I'm really worried. > From NEWS.COM: > > http://myturl.com/001pR > I was all excited about the arrangement until I found out that Sprint bought > Nextel and not the other way around. I hear terrible things about Sprint, > especially in the arena of billing and customer service. So, now I'm really > worried. They used to be horrible. I've been with them since 12/2000 and they have made a bunch of huge improvements since then. They absolutely still have their issues and there is still work to do, and they have a crappy reputation to overcome because they lost a lot of customers back a couple years ago. But they've made huge improvements in many areas. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > .... and they have a crappy reputation to > overcome because they lost a lot of customers back a couple years ago. But > they've made huge improvements in many areas. You may recall that many of those lost customers were terminated by Sprint. They were deadbeats signed on by the failed policies of the previous administration, policies of marketing to people with poor credit histories. Gary Forsee came on board in late 2002, and has improved Sprint greatly. >>.... and they have a crappy reputation to >>overcome because they lost a lot of customers back a couple years ago. But >>they've made huge improvements in many areas. > > You may recall that many of those lost customers were terminated by Sprint. Yes, this is true too. > They were deadbeats signed on by the failed policies of the previous > administration, policies of marketing to people with poor credit histories. > Gary Forsee came on board in late 2002, and has improved Sprint greatly. I agree. Len Lauer had made some strides to fix things before that, though. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > I was all excited about the arrangement until I found out that Sprint bought > Nextel and not the other way around. I hear terrible things about Sprint, > especially in the arena of billing and customer service. So, now I'm really > worried. That's funny, I've EXPERIENCED (not just heard) very bad things while I had service with Nextel, and EXPERIENCED (not just heard) far better service on Sprint. At least Sprint credits payments when they receive them, rather than putting them in a "lockbox" for three weeks as Nextel did, virtually ensuring that accounts are frequently running a balance and making it infinitely more difficult to track down how much you *really* owe them. SignatureE-mail fudged to thwart spammers. Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply. > I was all excited about the arrangement until I found out that Sprint bought > Nextel and not the other way around. I hear terrible things about Sprint, > especially in the arena of billing and customer service. So, now I'm really > worried. Why worry? Both companies have strengths, and they happen to be in different areas. Sprint has the edge in sales, advertising, marketing and engineering, and Nextel in customer service, billing, employee satisfaction and cost management. If they play off the strengths of each company, they come out much stronger than anyone else in the industry and become much more attractive to customers. The doomsayers here are convinced that this will never happen, but it only makes sense. Whether sprint bought nextel or nextel bought sprint is all a matter of optimizing the accounting for the surviving organization. What matters is who's the surviving management. >I was all excited about the arrangement until I found out that Sprint >bought Nextel and not the other way around. I hear terrible things about >Sprint, especially in the arena of billing and customer service. So, now >I'm really worried. As a current Nextel subscriber, at first glance I wasn't too happy with this. Today, I switched the wife, and myself, over to Sprint, got two new (free) phones, and we're saving $55.00/month! Sometimes change can be a good! Bill Crocker > From NEWS.COM: > > http://myturl.com/001pR It didn't go well at all with Sprint. I'm back to Nextel. Bill Crocker > As a current Nextel subscriber, at first glance I wasn't too happy with > this. Today, I switched the wife, and myself, over to Sprint, got two new [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> http://myturl.com/001pR > It didn't go well at all with Sprint. I'm back to Nextel. > > Bill Crocker Welllll...are you just going to keep us guessing as to what made you switch back to Nextel? - tex |
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