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Cellular Phone Forum / General / General Topics / December 2004NEED cell phone that can stay charging in car without turning off.
I currently have a Motorola i720 and it does this bull@#$% at the end of its charging time (in my car): "Charge Complete" Thing is, I want my phone ALWAYS ON, and ALWAYS CONNECTED AND CHARGING. Are there any phones out there (I'm going verizon) that can stay on, and stay charging (like the old startac's could), and perhaps even have the ability to relay-off the charger to keep from cooking the battery? That last part is secondary, since I've cooked the bejeezers out of lithium batteries with no problem. TIA!  SignatureWith knowledge comes sorrow. > I currently have a Motorola i720 and it does this bull@#$% at the end of its > charging time (in my car): > > "Charge Complete" > > Thing is, I want my phone ALWAYS ON, and ALWAYS CONNECTED AND CHARGING. Your phone won't charge if the battery is full. > Are there any phones out there (I'm going verizon) that can stay on, and > stay charging (like the old startac's could), and perhaps even have the > ability to relay-off the charger to keep from cooking the battery? Why do you think the charger doesn't keep charging the batter when it's full? I'm utterly confused as to what you think you'll gain by manually controlling when the phone charges. Please enlighten me. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. Lithium is a dangerous chemical. To use it in a cell phone battery (Lithium-Ion) requires a "chip" inside the battery pack and it must communicate with the charger. Charging Li-ion batteries requires control of the charging rate and if the rate is too high or the battery is overcharged, it can explode. (As did some Kyocera and Nokia batteries a few months back). You won't find an OEM battery or charger that will not turn off a Li-ion battery when fully charged. 1. Turn you phone on 2. Connect the charger 3. Dont worry, Even if the charge is complete the phone will stay on. When the battery drops down, the charger will kick in assuming it has a voltage source (i.e. car is not turned off). SignatureSteve >> I currently have a Motorola i720 and it does this bull@#$% at the end of >> its [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I'm utterly confused as to what you think you'll gain by manually > controlling when the phone charges. Please enlighten me. Steve coughed up: > Lithium is a dangerous chemical. To use it in a cell phone battery > (Lithium-Ion) requires a "chip" inside the battery pack and it must [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > battery drops down, the charger will kick in assuming it has a > voltage source (i.e. car is not turned off). Actually that's what the StarTac does. But the 720 actually "turns off" with the message "charge complete". By turning off I mean that it no longer functions as a phone without specifically turning on by holding down the red-hang-up button for 3 secs. It's an utter annoyance. I've tried every single permutation of options in the thing, and it still does that. Ah well, it's being replaced /very/ soon anyway... Signature"It eats you starting with your bottom". Botched translation of the demonic warning "From beneath, it devours", in Buffy the Vampire Slayer ~2003. Steve coughed up: ...[rip]... > 1. Turn you phone on > 2. Connect the charger > 3. Dont worry, > Even if the charge is complete the phone will stay on. ...[rip]... I'm begining to think that what I'm talking about is a nasty quirk of the 720, and is not something I have to worry about in the moto line in general. Signature"It eats you starting with your bottom". Botched translation of the demonic warning "From beneath, it devours", in Buffy the Vampire Slayer ~2003. I think you're right. The v600 and v3 don't do that. > Steve coughed up: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 720, and is not something I have to worry about in the moto line in > general. I have a T720g that did that until I unlocked it and reflashed and flexed it now it stays on when I charge it in my truck > Steve coughed up: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > translation of the demonic warning "From beneath, it > devours", in Buffy the Vampire Slayer ~2003. Fester coughed up: > I have a T720g that did that until I unlocked it and reflashed and > flexed it now it stays on when I charge it in my truck Aside: Please don't top post after others have bottom posted. It totally screws up the message. What do you mean by the following: unlocked reflashed <--I know this one--- flexed I know that there is a special number to receive the latest software rev., which I assume must be flashed into place, but what is "unlocked" and "flexed"? Thanks. Signature"His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Robert Paulson..." Steve Sobol coughed up: >> I currently have a Motorola i720 and it does this bull@#$% at the >> end of its charging time (in my car): [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I'm utterly confused as to what you think you'll gain by manually > controlling when the phone charges. Please enlighten me. I didn't think I'd have to explain it to this level, but basically it has to do with the phone turning itself off after it thinks it has been charged. My old startac did this perfectly (as all other phones I've seen do perfectly as well): I plug them into my always-on cig. lighter, and it is always charging and always on. There is a detail in that internally the phone apparently doesn't continue to charge per se, but it is still connected to my car and is still on and the charging indicator is blinking. But in any case, no matter how long the sucker was in my car connected to the charger, it was always on and ready to receive or place a call whether I'm there or not. My [newer] 720 does not do this. Instead, once it is fully charged, it will in face turn *OFF* the phone and put "Charge Complete" into the window. The phone cannot be used in that state without turning on again. Signature"It eats you starting with your bottom". Botched translation of the demonic warning "From beneath, it devours", in Buffy the Vampire Slayer ~2003. > Steve Sobol coughed up: >> I'm utterly confused as to what you think you'll gain by manually >> controlling when the phone charges. Please enlighten me. > > I didn't think I'd have to explain it to this level, but basically it has to > do with the phone turning itself off after it thinks it has been charged. Certainly that does not happen with our Motorola v60s phones (although we only uses house chargers, nothing in a car). > Steve Sobol coughed up: > >> I currently have a Motorola i720 and it does this bull@#$% at the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > in face turn *OFF* the phone and put "Charge Complete" into the window. The > phone cannot be used in that state without turning on again. My i830 doesn't do anything like that- it simply shows a full charge- I never have to turn it off and when I do decide to leave it on when charging, it functions as normal. >> Steve Sobol coughed up: >> >> I currently have a Motorola i720 and it does this bull@#$% at the [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > charging, > it functions as normal. Don't know about your phone, but the V400 has a car settings menu & has a power-off delay setting, did you check this? bamp bamp coughed up: >>> Steve Sobol coughed up: >>>>> I currently have a Motorola i720 and it does this bull@#$% at the [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > bamp Yes. About 50 times. All settings. Nothing will keep the thing ON. Here's someone else who chimed in last year when I asked this question. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.cellular.motorola/msg/04329542e7554179 It's a T720, and not an i720. SignatureEverythinginlifeisrealative.Apingpongballseemssmalluntilsomeoneramsitupyourn ose. > > My [newer] 720 does not do this. Instead, once it is fully > > charged, it will in face turn *OFF* the phone and put "Charge [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I never have to turn it off and when I do decide to leave it on when > charging, it functions as normal. My V710 doesn't turn off either; the window does say "Charge complete," but the phone remains turned on. SignatureStop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush. Michelle Steiner coughed up: >>> My [newer] 720 does not do this. Instead, once it is fully >>> charged, it will in face turn *OFF* the phone and put "Charge [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > My V710 doesn't turn off either; the window does say "Charge > complete," but the phone remains turned on. Check-----Can you dial out? Can it receive calls with thismessage in the window? Mine cannot. SignatureEverythinginlifeisrealative.Apingpongballseemssmalluntilsomeoneramsitupyourn ose. > My [newer] 720 does not do this. Instead, once it is fully charged, it will > in face turn *OFF* the phone and put "Charge Complete" into the window. The > phone cannot be used in that state without turning on again. There are several flavors of the 720; the following applies to the CDMA version of the T720... I am not familiar with the GSM version. Either the phone is defective, or you have old software. The CDMA 720 was released with software which, charitably speaking, was not ready to be released. The latest CDMA software is 2.22.6D.1P. My phone does not have this behavior. >Are there any phones out there (I'm going verizon) that can stay on, and >stay charging (like the old startac's could), and perhaps even have the >ability to relay-off the charger to keep from cooking the battery? Well, it may not be the phone that is the culprit. It may be that yourcar's Power outlet goes off when you turn the ignition off. Other than Fords, MOST cars CLA go off when the ignition goes off. even the auxilliary power outlets go off. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net John S. coughed up: >> Are there any phones out there (I'm going verizon) that can stay on, >> and stay charging (like the old startac's could), and perhaps even [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Well, it may not be the phone that is the culprit. It may be that > yourcar's Power outlet goes off when you turn the ignition off. No, that's obviously not it, since the connection IS always-on in that car, and we're talking about the message in the window of the phone, which would not say "charge complete" simply by having the power cut off at the cig. lighter. So it is completely to the side of the issue. > Other > than Fords, MOST cars CLA go off when the ignition goes off. even the > auxilliary power outlets go off. No, that's not true, not for the cars I've seen. My Mitsubishi eclipse stayed on. My Audi a4 stays on. My old buick skylark stayed on. My parents volvo stayed on. My wife's Honda CRV doesn't. But that's all to the side of the issue. This issue is about what the phone does, and has NOTHING TO DO WITH IGNITION DRIVEN CIG. LIGHTERS. Signature"It eats you starting with your bottom". Botched translation of the demonic warning "From beneath, it devours", in Buffy the Vampire Slayer ~2003. >Other than Fords, MOST cars CLA go off when the ignition goes off. even the auxilliary power outlets >go off. Not true, has nothing to do with the manufacturer, it's generally based on the level of the car, i.e. high end or lower end car models won't do it, but it will stay on in the higher end car. BMW's, Mercede's, etc. SignatureTo reply, remove TheObvious from my e-mail address. Finally understood what you're talking about-since I just got a car charger for my Moto V265. Here's what I was able to find out (and I don't know what sort of settings/options your 720 has but this worked for mine): From my manual: Set the phone to stay on for a period of time after the ignition is switched off: Menu > Settings > Car Settings > Power-off Delay Charger Time Charge your phone for a period of time after the ignition is switched off: Menu > Settings > Car Settings > Charger Time Hope this is helpful (or at least aids you in deciding what your next phone might be!) JDB I'm replying to my own message because I found out a few more details. On my v265 the power options for the car include: Power-off Delay: 0 min, 15 min, 30 min, 60 min and Continuous (for how long after the car's ignition is turned off that the phone should stay on) Charger time: Off, 1 hr, 2 hr, 3 hr, 8 hr (for how long the phone should charge after the ignition is shut off). I also went to Motorola's website and looked at the T720i manual (at http://www.motorola.com/mdirect/manuals/T720i.pdf ) and on page 75 it shows the same options for your phone as it does for my V265. Again, hope this is helpful. JDB JDBraun via CellPhoneKB.com coughed up: > I'm replying to my own message because I found out a few more > details. On my v265 the power options for the car include: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Again, hope this is helpful. > JDB I've tried all those. Over. and. over. I'm thinking if it is the bad software that CharlesH was talking about for the T720i. SignatureEverythinginlifeisrealative.Apingpongballseemssmalluntilsomeoneramsitupyourn ose. |
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