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Fax over cellular using the Internet

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John Navas - 21 Mar 2005 15:57 GMT
Although it is possible to fax over cellular with a dial-up type connection
(CSD in the case of GSM), it's slow, difficult to set up and use, and isn't
available from all carriers in all areas.

An alternative for cellular with email or Internet access is to use a fax
service.  I'm currently using two such services:

INCOMING FAX

eFax <http://www.efax.com/>
Supports fax-to-email (and vice versa).  No charge for eFax Free (non-local
number, receive-only) if you're willing to put with occasional marketing
email.

OUTGOING FAX

Fax1 <http://fax1.com/>
Supports email-to-fax and web-to-fax, as well as proprietary Internet software
(FaxBlaster).  Free to sign up with $1 trial credit.  No monthly charge.
Prepay credit never expires.  $0.12/page (successfully delivered) to the USA

I'm compiling this information for the cellular webpages I publish.  If anyone
knows of comparable or better services, please follow-up here.  Thank you.

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cricket - 21 Mar 2005 17:10 GMT
FWIW, efax sucks - if your free efax number gets more than 20 spam faxes a
month they cancel the account if you refuse to upgrade to their paid plan.
And yes, you will get tons of spam faxes after you've had the number a
couple of years (I had one since they started and lost it last year because
of spam faxes). Reporting the spam using their form is a PITA (takes a good
10 min per spam, probably longer if using a cell phone connection to access
the efax site) but necessary if you don't want all of the spam faxes to
count against you. I do not recommend them at all.

Send2fax.com is an email  and web based fax service that gives you an 800#
and is good for both in and outbound. My account is $1 service fee a month,
but new subscribers will pay $1.95 service fee. Per page fee is 15 cents for
successful in or outbound faxes. (They have high volume plans available
too - at lower rates than the efax paid plans.) if you send many faxes, it's
well worth $2 a month to have both in and outbound faxes using the same fax
system.

> Although it is possible to fax over cellular with a dial-up type
> connection
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> anyone
> knows of comparable or better services, please follow-up here.  Thank you.
John Navas - 21 Mar 2005 18:37 GMT
>FWIW, efax sucks - if your free efax number gets more than 20 spam faxes a
>month they cancel the account if you refuse to upgrade to their paid plan.
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>the efax site) but necessary if you don't want all of the spam faxes to
>count against you. I do not recommend them at all.

FWIW, I've never had a single spam fax on my eFax Free number, and I've had it
for quite a long time.  (You may be giving your fax number out to the wrong
people.)  If I did start getting spam faxes, I would simply change the number.

>Send2fax.com is an email  and web based fax service that gives you an 800#
>and is good for both in and outbound. My account is $1 service fee a month,
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>well worth $2 a month to have both in and outbound faxes using the same fax
>system.

Why would I care about using the same fax system?  My current setup of eFax
for free inbound and Fax1 for low-cost outbound is dead simple and works fine.

>> Although it is possible to fax over cellular with a dial-up type
>> connection
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>> anyone
>> knows of comparable or better services, please follow-up here.  Thank you.

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Drewdawg - 21 Mar 2005 21:52 GMT
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
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> number out to the wrong people.)  If I did start getting spam faxes,
> I would simply change the number.

I'll have to agree only to add I've never had to change my eFax number in
the 6 years I've had it.  I've only received a couple span faxes in the
beginning, but that dried up not long after.

Besides, I can't give it up now. I got it in Lakewood CA and received a
Maryland number. I now live in Delaware. Go figure ;-)
Stuart Friedman - 20 Apr 2005 04:15 GMT
k-7.net has a free e-fax type inbound number, but you can only get a
Washington State number.

>> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>>
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> Besides, I can't give it up now. I got it in Lakewood CA and received a
> Maryland number. I now live in Delaware. Go figure ;-)
BTD - 22 Mar 2005 07:27 GMT
>FWIW, efax sucks - if your free efax number gets more than 20 spam faxes a
>month they cancel the account if you refuse to upgrade to their paid plan.
>And yes, you will get tons of spam faxes after you've had the number a
>couple of years (I had one since they started and lost it last year because
>of spam faxes).

I've had a free efax number for three years and only 2 spam faxes
total in all that time.  
Todd Copeland - 23 Mar 2005 13:19 GMT
> FWIW, efax sucks - if your free efax number gets more than 20 spam faxes a

Agreed.. efax is the worst. I signed up and they the flood gates of smap
email started. They sent me advertizments for any and everything every day.
I had used them many years ago, when they were still starting out, and they
only advertizment they had was in their fax reader. Now their software
installs all kinds of crap on your system.
John Navas - 23 Mar 2005 17:00 GMT
>> FWIW, efax sucks - if your free efax number gets more than 20 spam faxes a
>
>Agreed.. efax is the worst. I signed up and they the flood gates of smap
>email started. They sent me advertizments for any and everything every day.

Perhaps things have changed, because I'm getting no more than about one eFax
ad message per week, most of which are taken care of by my spam filtering.  To
me it seems a small price to pay for a free fax number.  What's your
alternative?

>I had used them many years ago, when they were still starting out, and they
>only advertizment they had was in their fax reader. Now their software
>installs all kinds of crap on your system.

I'm using eFax Messenger 2.0, which has no ads.  You can get it from
<http://appdb.codeweavers.com/appview.php?appId=667&versionId=887>.

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John Richards - 23 Mar 2005 18:20 GMT
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> I'm using eFax Messenger 2.0, which has no ads.  You can get it from
> <http://appdb.codeweavers.com/appview.php?appId=667&versionId=887>.

I uninstalled eFax Messenger (1.x?) quite some time ago, and subsequently
discovered that the native "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer" renders eFax
incoming faxes quite well.

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John Navas - 23 Mar 2005 18:34 GMT
>> I'm using eFax Messenger 2.0, which has no ads.  You can get it from
>> <http://appdb.codeweavers.com/appview.php?appId=667&versionId=887>.
>
>I uninstalled eFax Messenger (1.x?) quite some time ago, and subsequently
>discovered that the native "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer" renders eFax
>incoming faxes quite well.

Thanks for the tip!

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Stuart Friedman - 20 Apr 2005 04:16 GMT
E-faxes can now be set to come in as PDFs.

Stu

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>
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>
> Thanks for the tip!
John Richards - 20 Apr 2005 16:58 GMT
Is that for the free version of eFax? I only have the free service,
and recent faxes have come in as  .TIF files.

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> E-faxes can now be set to come in as PDFs.
>
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>>
>> Thanks for the tip!
Stuart Friedman - 22 Apr 2005 02:34 GMT
Don't know.  I have the pay version.  Sorry!
> Is that for the free version of eFax? I only have the free service,
> and recent faxes have come in as  .TIF files.
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>>>
>>> Thanks for the tip!
Richie - 24 Mar 2005 22:02 GMT
Really? I receive my efax messages in .efx format and Windows Picture and
Fax viewer is not able to open those files. I tried many times to no avail.

I used jfax before and those files, I was able to open using Windows Picture
and Fax Viewer.

What format do you receive your efax in?

>> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>>
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> discovered that the native "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer" renders eFax
> incoming faxes quite well.
Cyrus Afzali - 24 Mar 2005 22:59 GMT
>Really? I receive my efax messages in .efx format and Windows Picture and
>Fax viewer is not able to open those files. I tried many times to no avail.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>What format do you receive your efax in?

Everyone who has an eFax account receives them in the .efx format,
which is a proprietary format that requires the free eFax Messenger
program.

>>> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> discovered that the native "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer" renders eFax
>> incoming faxes quite well.
Steve Sobol - 24 Mar 2005 23:42 GMT
> Everyone who has an eFax account receives them in the .efx format,
> which is a proprietary format that requires the free eFax Messenger
> program.

But you can choose to receive your eFaxes in TIFF format, which Windows Fax
viewer can open. (And I do receive mine as TIFFs.)

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Zen Cohen - 25 Mar 2005 03:37 GMT
> But you can choose to receive your eFaxes in TIFF format, which Windows
> Fax
> viewer can open. (And I do receive mine as TIFFs.)

I can receive my j-faxes in tif and in pdf format, too.
Steve Sobol - 25 Mar 2005 04:16 GMT
>>But you can choose to receive your eFaxes in TIFF format, which Windows
>>Fax
>>viewer can open. (And I do receive mine as TIFFs.)
>
> I can receive my j-faxes in tif and in pdf format, too.

Not surprising. Both services are owned by the same company.

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Richie - 25 Mar 2005 03:58 GMT
In order to receive efax in .tif format, do you have to subscribe to efax
Plus?  I have the free service and I don't see that option in my account.

Their website does say that with efax Plus, you can receive faxes in .pdf
format.   I don't need to do that because I can convert faxes to pdf format
myself.

> But you can choose to receive your eFaxes in TIFF format, which Windows
> Fax viewer can open. (And I do receive mine as TIFFs.)
Steve Sobol - 25 Mar 2005 04:17 GMT
> In order to receive efax in .tif format, do you have to subscribe to efax
> Plus?  I have the free service and I don't see that option in my account.

I don't think so.

I'm pretty sure I get them in TIF format, and I have a free account too. (I'd
be more inclined to pay for an account if they would actually get local numbers
in my area instead of just telling me they have them.)

Someone would probably have to send me a fax. Been a while since the last time
I received one.

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Richie - 25 Mar 2005 05:39 GMT
i find that with efax, i cannot open the document with anything but their
viewer.   With Jfax, however, i can open with the Microsoft viewer.  That's
my experience.  I'm careful of the programs i install on my computer and I
want to keep applications to a minimum, therefore my interest in this issue.

>> In order to receive efax in .tif format, do you have to subscribe to efax
>> Plus?  I have the free service and I don't see that option in my account.
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> Someone would probably have to send me a fax. Been a while since the last
> time I received one.
Cyrus Afzali - 23 Mar 2005 20:33 GMT
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>
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>me it seems a small price to pay for a free fax number.  What's your
>alternative?

People on the paid service don't get anywhere near the levels of junk
faxes that the free services get. Junk faxers have a database
containing many of the free eFax numbers because they generally only
come from one or two area codes.

I can count the number of junk faxes I've received on my premium eFax
account easily on one hand. And I give out my number freely, as I use
it a lot in the course of business even though I've got a standard
machine because it's nice to be able to get all my communications
remotely no matter where I am.
 
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