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Reply7471859353@wmconnect.com - 11 Jun 2005 02:01 GMT My cell is emergency call pickup ONLY, and is a unique and irreplacble artifact, for that usage. I don't know about all cell phones, however, every cell phone I have ever tested ( dozens) EXCEED ( former) United States Federal electomagnetic radio emmision standards, which is/was approx. 30 milli-gauss. 30 is/was considered extreamly dangerous for short term exposure. My personal understanding of electromagnetic radiation sickness is that it is almost impossible to diagnose correctly because of systemic failure of the human body. Simply, the result is an /uncurable/ illness that results in tumors, strokes ( cell pohones in particular) and, unfortunately, deaths that is/are not attributed to electromagnetic radiation sickness. Maybe consider some counter point to your presumption of cell phones are "absolutely safe."
Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU KNOW THE FACTS. The type of dynamic intense radiation field emited by every cell phone I have tested is a dangerous gamble, each and every TRANSMIT.
Mark A. Washburn maw
Joseph - 11 Jun 2005 14:27 GMT >Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU >KNOW THE FACTS. And unless you have the proven facts it is only your own supposition. The truth is that there is no ABSOLUTE proof of what you infer. (I know how to use the CAPS LOCK key as well!)
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Larry W4CSC - 12 Jun 2005 15:45 GMT > Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU > KNOW THE FACTS. The type of dynamic intense radiation field emited by [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Mark A. Washburn > maw Horseshit. Not far from your home is a 316,000 watt VHF TV station, a 25,000,000 watt UHF TV station, up to a 50,000 watt AM radio station, up to a 100,000 watt FM radio station, paging transmitters running ERPs into the multikilowatt ranges on VHF and UHF. Are you near an airport? With their megawatt microwave radar transmitters? Near any military? Their running multi-megawatt troposcatter phone transmitters.
A friend of mine died a couple of years ago. His name was Linwood Sikes, amateur radio call N4LS. Linwood was in his 90's. Since he was a boy, around World War I when radio came into its own, Linwood was an amateur radio operator (a "ham", the nickname for Hiram Maxim who started the Amateur Radio Relay League (ARRL) back in the teens). Being a ham, Linwood had been exposed to high powered transmitters, right in his home, all his life. I have since I got my license in 1957. I was 11. Linwood died in his 90s of old age. He also put the first radio station in Charleston on the air, traveled around the country for airlines putting them on the air ("Alameda calling China Clipper" from the movies). Linwood, after WW2, opened Sikes Radio Company, our local Motorola 2-way radio company his son still runs today. He was a broadcast engineer exposed to a multitude of radio and television transmitters, most of which back in the "old days" didn't even have a cabinet on them, to say nothing of some kind of RF shielding. Linwood died of old age in his 90's.
Sitting on my desk is a vhf/uhf walkie talkie I've used on the ham bands for 20+ years. It runs 7w on VHF and 5W on UHF. I hold it right up in front of my face and talk into the microphone. There's a 1,500 watt ham radio station on the desk whos antenna is right over the top of me. If I key it with this computer on, it trashes the computer at full power. Does your phone with its puny .2 watt transmitter? Of course not...no power! Hell, the cell has trouble hearing that peanut whistle! Go to my webpage on qrz.com. Browse to http://www.qrz.com/ and in the little callsign box enter W4CSC, my ham radio call. My ugly picture comes up grossing everyone out, but look at it anyway. See that little 300,000v ceramic insulator in my hand? It exploded right over my head when hit with 70,000 watts near 7 Mhz from a pirate radio ship the FCC finally confiscated here in Charleston. Too much RF voltage. It was part of the feed through insulator that fed the 70KW RF through the hatch to a T antenna between two towers welded to the deck. Fed with unterminated open wire feeders from an old Voice Of America transmitter in the hold. (http://hawkins.pair.com/voanc/voanc07.jpg is the actual image address of this transmitter.) Everything in the compartment glowed an eerie blue from the power present that didn't make it up this insulator. Me, too! Totally cool...(c; I was just a guest of the ship's captain during the test. The ship belonged to a nutcase, Rev Stair of Overcomer Ministeries in Walterboro, SC, you can hear on short wave every night. Hold your wallet and visit http://www.overcomerministry.org/ He talks directly to God!...(c;
Most people have never seen a serious broadcast beast that's frying their brains. Go to Jim Hawkins' broadcast museum and have a look around: http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html It's the finest broadcast transmitter site on the net. The VOA runs 500,000 watts from Ohio and Greenville, NC. I've been to NC to tour it. Amazing power since WW2.
I'm still alive and nothing seems fried. I'm 60 in January if I survive my V60i's intermittent pulse transmissions...(c;
Now, let's talk about the REAL reason for all this panic.....M-O-N-E-Y!
Back in the AMPS days, cellular phones ran 3 watts of power on 800 Mhz and noone got fried. The brick handhelds ran 600 mw because they wanted the little batteries of the day to last longer than 15 minutes..not much longer, but longer than 15 minutes. They sucked because the system was incomplete at worst and setup for 3w car antenna transmitters with towers 10 miles apart. Then cellular exploded in popularity. In cities, you could hardly use it because the system was totally overloaded, even at $1.50/minute! The solution? Closer spaced cells with much lower antennas (100') that didn't have the range of the 500' AMPS beasts of old. You may still see some 500' cellphone towers around your neighborhood but now with antennas way down the tower, not at the top. The new antenna panels, you'll note, actually point DOWN at an angle, to keep them from hearing the phones in the next cells over from them. Take a look. Every cell sector has several hundred channels on them. There's 3 sectors on each cell 120 degrees apart. (See the three panel arrays pointing in different directions?) More, lower powered, lower down cells meant that many extra "channels per square mile" that could be running up those minute meters. The companies kept building in cities making fat revenues from all the minute meters per square mile clicking away.
But, alas, those 3W cars, in spite of how we pointed the panels, kept occupying way too many cell sectors every time they went on the air. You were talking on this cell, but were jamming that channel on 8 other cells we could be makin' money off of at the same time. The solution? Dump mobile cellphones and bagphones with 3W transmitters and come out with a much smaller phone called the "flip phone", an AMPS phone with a 600 mw (.6w) transmitter. It sold like hotcakes to bagphone users luggin' around the high powered monsters or to people who had to leave their phone access in their cars. The flip phones had poorer antennas, too, which helped reduce their range to only a couple of cells. The buildout continued as the complaints of dead zones kept rollin' in. 3 miles from a tower, flip phones sucked. In the country where towers were 10 miles apart, they really sucked. Sales dropped off and bagphones were put back on the air.
Then came "digital". Around the time of digital, a propaganda campaign rivalling The Third Reich's was instigated. "Cellphones are terribly dangerous and will fry your brains, cause you cancer, your eyeballs will fall out!" Isn't that convenient?! Just when we're gonna sell 'em all new digital phones that will let us put 24 people on each sector channel, we'll convince them those awful "high-powered" phones are just frying the kids! The paid hacks lined up to tell you how dangerous your tiny 600 mw flip phone that never killed anyone was. The gullible, stupid public, as usual, bought it hook line and sinker. So, we came out with a SAFER, more profitable transmitter that only put out 300 mw....then 200 mw....now 150 mw...or less in the future. Because the tiny transmitters only have a range of about a mile or so, OUTSIDE in the clear, more towers, more cells, more sectors-per-square-mile were erected, only in the cities and along major roads connecting them, the Interstates. Now with 24 users per channel, with transmitter powers the COMPANY controls with CDMA's data, we can turn 'em down to just a few milliwatts so they only hit one or two sectors, and only then in the overlap between two minicells.
Revenue per square mile couldn't be better! We can even drop the prices on minutes because our competitors did.
An we lived happily.....and safe from those big 3w transmitters....ever after.....(c;.....er, ah, unless you wanna use your phone inside a building 2 miles from the nearest cell....(d^:)
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Kentish - 12 Jun 2005 16:28 GMT I love it when ham's explain RF, not to mention the amateur band which is around the wireless phone spectrum...
>> Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU >> KNOW THE FACTS. The type of dynamic intense radiation field emited by [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Linwood > had been exposed to high powered transmitters, right in his home, all his [snip]
George - 12 Jun 2005 18:07 GMT >>Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU >>KNOW THE FACTS. The type of dynamic intense radiation field emited by [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > megawatt microwave radar transmitters? Near any military? Their running > multi-megawatt troposcatter phone transmitters. I am sure you know about the inverse square law.
> A friend of mine died a couple of years ago. His name was Linwood Sikes, > amateur radio call N4LS. Linwood was in his 90's. Since he was a boy, [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > I'm still alive and nothing seems fried. I'm 60 in January if I survive my > V60i's intermittent pulse transmissions...(c; The current knowledge about cancer says that two conditions are necessary. One is a genetic predisposition and two is some enviromental condition to "turn it on". That is the reason why you can have a population that may be exposed to paint thinner for example and only a few will get liver cancer. The ones that didn't did not have the predisposition. Your arguement represents only a sample size of one and is very similar to "my grandpa smoked 8 packs/day and lived to 97 and didn't get cancer". Possibly interesting but should you bet that you had the exact genes that grandpa had?
> Now, let's talk about the REAL reason for all this panic.....M-O-N-E-Y! > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > can turn 'em down to just a few milliwatts so they only hit one or two > sectors, and only then in the overlap between two minicells. I see the problem. Cell companies should revert back to a business model where they can only service a few hundred customers in a market and not use effective lower power systems that allow frequency reuse/more users and lower power equipment that may be safer, compact and has longer battery life.
> Revenue per square mile couldn't be better! We can even drop the prices on > minutes because our competitors did. > > An we lived happily.....and safe from those big 3w transmitters....ever > after.....(c;.....er, ah, unless you wanna use your phone inside a building > 2 miles from the nearest cell....(d^:) Larry W4CSC - 12 Jun 2005 23:24 GMT George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:1cWdncXzC4hH9jHfRVn- pA@adelphia.com:
> The current knowledge about cancer says that two conditions are > necessary. One is a genetic predisposition and two is some enviromental [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > didn't get cancer". Possibly interesting but should you bet that you had > the exact genes that grandpa had? But the problem with that is I know THOUSANDS of hams, people who do 12 hour shifts at major broadcast transmitters, in fields so strong they can't turn the flourescent lights in the building OFF with the transmitters on....None of them are fried. Some of these people have been doing it for 50 years! Are they all some magic gene pool? Nonsense....same crap as the Freon 12 in your car....it's about money.
As to the snide remark about the ham bands being around cellphone's magic- cooking frequency...that's more smokin' nonsense. The UHF TV transmitters are thousands of times more powerful, and those engineers that sit there aren't killed by the RF leaking out of it. The old guys were eradiated like hell. They were in more danger driving TO the transmitter than sitting for 60 hours a week for 30 years in front of it.
If what you say is so, we need to shut down every high powered RF source in the countries....to protect us. Your measily milliwatt cellphone at 6" isn't nearly as intense as Rock 96 FM's blowtorch just down the street.
The air is polluted with Jet engines and power plants, not R-12 leaking from the old Ford. You have just about as much chance of shutting down Rock 96's 100KW transmitter as you do that 747 dumping its engine crap on your kids.....
It's always the CONSUMER's stuff that produces all the pollution, air or RF....bullshit.
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O/Siris - 13 Jun 2005 03:10 GMT > It's always the CONSUMER's stuff that produces all the pollution, air or > RF....bullshit. Pseudo-science. Fun stuff, eh?
I notice the OP provided NOTHING to prove his claim. Not measurement equipment, not how the tests were carried out, not even what phones used.
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John Cummings - 13 Jun 2005 08:50 GMT >> It's always the CONSUMER's stuff that produces all the pollution, >> air or RF....bullshit. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > equipment, not how the tests were carried out, not even what phones > used. Having spent twentyfive years in broadcast engineering and two-way radio service, and thirtyseven years in amateur radio, I can confirm Larry's (OP) observations of the participants. Non-ionizing RF doesn't matter, but watch out for heating effects at the higher frequencies and powers.
John C., N4BKN
Dean - 13 Jun 2005 06:00 GMT You tell 'em, Larry.
What's really scary is the high-powered stuff we get blasted with every minute of every day from everywhere BESIDES the cellphone.
Dean N2QNE ________________________________________
> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:1cWdncXzC4hH9jHfRVn- > pA@adelphia.com: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > It's always the CONSUMER's stuff that produces all the pollution, air or > RF....bullshit. Larry W4CSC - 14 Jun 2005 02:13 GMT > What's really scary is the high-powered stuff we get blasted with every > minute of every day from everywhere BESIDES the cellphone. Their cellphones should be the LEAST of their worries....(c;
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Reply7471859353@wmconnect.com - 15 Jun 2005 04:22 GMT 1 milli-gauss was/is considered marginally dangerous ( according to the documentation that came with my testers, the test equipment is designed for assuring compliance with Federal law. Three meters altogether, two with identical sensitivity and the third dampened by about three milli-gauss. One of the two with identical sensitivity, I call "Bugs Bunny" for no reason.
I have used these devices for about twelve years. I have tested electronic equipment, TVs, Home and industrial electric motors, power lines, lighting systems, generators, power inverters and converters, an industrial laser ...
OK
A standard household light bulb emits about 1 milli-gauss at 1/2 inch.
TVs and computer monitors can measure a wide variety of patterns. I had a TV in the living room of my house that seemed OK, I measured a 30 milli-gauss field extending about two feet in front of the TV, what supprised me was that a steady/strong 30 milli-gauss field was cutting thru the edge of the toilet behind the wall of the TV ( a built in entertainment center location).
I purchased a motor home from a RV 'lifer', well, until his wife died. He wasn't interested in keeping their home any further, and offered the RV for sale thru his dealership. I detected a 30 milli-gauss field extending several feet thru the lower cabin single bed. He slept in the loft.
About two and 1/2 feet away from a 30 amp main power line, I read 30 milli-gauss.
There are two different types of spikes from a cell phone, from the transmitter and from the load speaker, both typically 30 milli-gauss extending from the phone for five to seven inches, during transmit and from the speaker ( during recieve).
For example, the phone I currently am holding in my hand, ( name brands withheld) 1) emits a 30 milli-gauss field, at zero inches at the ear piece after a full power on; the ear piece field drops to 1 milli-gauss at a distance of one inch. 2) every where else the phone meters about 1 milli-gause at zero inches with power-on. 3) emits a stong and steady 30 milli-gauss field extending about three inches during talk, with two types of em radiation, the transmitter AND the ear piece locations, and ( very) variable 30 milli-gauss field out to six inches.
... ( insert long list of consumer and commercial tests)
The field strength meter's detect electromagnetic field strength /differentials/ as sampled using the 'normal' environment noise.
About fifteen feet below a power transformer, I can detect a 1 to 2 milli-gauss field, a few feet more then I can not detect any filed differential.
Your turn.
maw
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Tinman - 15 Jun 2005 09:30 GMT <snip a buncha of test-everything-I-encounter)
> Your turn. Might I suggest a tinfoil hat?
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O/Siris - 16 Jun 2005 01:20 GMT > 1 milli-gauss was/is considered marginally dangerous ( according to the > documentation that came with my testers, Interesting that the State of Minnesota says no such standard exists:
"Currently there are no federal or state health-based exposure standards for magnetic fields. This is due to the fact that there is inadequate scientific evidence to develop a health-based standard. References to safe/unsafe magnetic field levels in studies are not health-based standards; they are arbitrary exposure cut off points used by researchers, and they provide no scientific basis to evaluate or estimate potential health risks.
While there is currently no "safe" level determined for EMF, people may obtain measurements in their home and use information about typical magnetic field exposures to determine if their exposures are likely to be higher than, comparable to, or lower than the levels in other residential settings."
http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/radiation/emf/#standards
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Larry W4CSC - 16 Jun 2005 02:35 GMT > Currently there are no federal or state health-based exposure standards > for magnetic fields. If they had standards for magnetic and electric fields, powerful lobby power companies would be forced to bury the 1925 electric system in the USA. Unlike the developed countries of Europe, our AC power system still hangs on old wooden poles just like it did back then. The fields produced by it all account for a loss of 1/3 of the power generated from leakage.
We just raise power rates to make up for the losses....
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dr.news@better.price.biz.nospam - 16 Jun 2005 03:06 GMT This has marginal interest to maybe one person, but I found these 6 Kyocera t-shirts, and they were really Kool. As I'm a fan of the phones, there must be a geek or two, that can't live without a Kyocera t-shirt. If you hate the phone, you probably won't like the shirt either.
Well, now that you know I'm selling something it is on ebay. Don't follow the link if you don't want to see it. But the shirt is surprisingly kool, I thought so. Any size, any color as long as it is XL and white. I only have the ones show. Sorry to be a bother, but I did tell you I was selling em.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8312330039
A really NEAT, Classic Kyocera T-Shirt, I LOVE it, u 2 Item number: 8312330039
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Garner Miller - 16 Jun 2005 03:28 GMT > This has marginal interest to maybe one person, but I found these 6 Kyocera > t-shirts, and they were really Kool. > Well, now that you know I'm selling something it is on ebay. Don't follow > the link if you don't want to see it.... Don't spam newsgroups to sell your crap.
And for a $15 shipping charge, it better come next-day-air packed in dry ice!
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dr.news@better.price.biz.nospam - 17 Jun 2005 02:22 GMT Hello: this isn't spam, it was listed as commercial "stuff" and only posted to the verizon news group. Garner Miller: You shouldn't have read it, if you didn't like it. Save yourself some time, put me in your kill file, then I won't have to answer your notes either. The Kyocera shirt is kool... if I sent it to your email box that is spam; posting Verizon stuff to anyone only interested in VZW stuff is what, among other things, a newsgroup is for. I didn't hide anything. Don't like it, don't read it. I contribute my fair share of technical value and hints. Go elsewhere if you don't like it. dr
And yes, I'd pack your shirt in dry ice, didn't you send me mail saying you wanted to give me lots of money if I sent my products to Nigeria... wasn't that you? Now that is spam.
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> Don't spam newsgroups to sell your crap. > > And for a $15 shipping charge, it better come next-day-air packed in > dry ice! Jim Seymour - 17 Jun 2005 16:58 GMT > Hello: this isn't spam, Yeah, yeah, we know: "Spam is something other than what I do." Hear it all the time.
> it was listed as commercial "stuff" and only posted > to the verizon news group. Wrong, Oh Top-Posting, Spamming, Clue-Impaired One. Observe:
Newsgroups: alt.cellular,sdnet.wireless.pcs,alt.cellular.sprintpcs, alt.cellular.verizon,alt.cellular.gsm.carriers.voicestream
I count five (5) newsgroups.
> Garner Miller: You shouldn't have read it, if > you didn't like it. Oh boy, the "Just Hit Delete" suggestion. Never heard *that* one before.
> Save yourself some time, put me in your kill file, then > I won't have to answer your notes either. Keep spamming Usenet and you may find yourself relieved of answering *any* "notes."
> The Kyocera shirt is kool... if I > sent it to your email box that is spam; posting Verizon stuff to anyone only > interested in VZW stuff is what, among other things, a newsgroup is for. Oh, I see *now*: *You* define the purpose of a newsgroup, not its Charter. *You* are the Ultimate Arbiter of Usenet etiquette.
> I > didn't hide anything. Don't like it, don't read it. I contribute my fair > share of technical value and hints. Go elsewhere if you don't like it. dr Have you read your ISP's Terms Of Service lately? In fact: Have you ever read them *at* *all*? I'm guessing "no" on both counts.
> And yes, I'd pack your shirt in dry ice, didn't you send me mail saying you > wanted to give me lots of money if I sent my products to Nigeria... wasn't > that you? Now that is spam. You don't get to define "spam," Oh Top-Posting, Spamming, Clueless One. More likely "harassment" than spam, which is probably also a violation of the sender's ISP's TOS. But in complaining: You fail the "clean hands" test. So please stfu and go away. Thank you.
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bushman - 16 Jun 2005 03:47 GMT Dude. $15 for shipping?
That is wrong of you.
jb
dr.news@better.price.biz.nospam - 17 Jun 2005 02:18 GMT Let me see... if you get a box of stuff for a penny; we stuff the whole thing in a USPS box for $7.70 for fast shipping. They were boiler plated... the box of phones, the box of car chargers.... but ok, if someone wins it, they can pick the shipping.... as long as they cover the cost of the shipping/box. But if they get it for a penny, they have to buy me a six pack of pop, to make the drive to the po worth my time. A penny mind you, some of this stuff was for a penny! dr
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> Dude. $15 for shipping? > > That is wrong of you. > > jb dr.news@better.price.biz.nospam - 17 Jun 2005 02:28 GMT Ooops, sorry for the broad post. I should have left this to VZW only. Sorry. Any posts to questions will be to vzw.news only... sorry. I should know better. :-( dr
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> Let me see... if you get a box of stuff for a penny; we stuff the whole > thing in a USPS box for $7.70 for fast shipping. They were boiler [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > buy me a six pack of pop, to make the drive to the po worth my time. A > penny mind you, some of this stuff was for a penny! dr Notan - 17 Jun 2005 02:34 GMT > Let me see... if you get a box of stuff for a penny; we stuff the whole > thing in a USPS box for $7.70 for fast shipping. They were boiler plated... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pack of pop, to make the drive to the po worth my time. A penny mind you, > some of this stuff was for a penny! dr What the hell are you talking about?
Notan
Quick - 17 Jun 2005 05:46 GMT >> Let me see... if you get a box of stuff for a penny; we >> stuff the whole thing in a USPS box for $7.70 for fast [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > What the hell are you talking about? He is spamming the known universe with his eBay auctions. ISP TOS anyone?
-Quick
Larry W4CSC - 16 Jun 2005 06:05 GMT > Path: > be05!atl-c01.usenetserver.com!atl-c02.usenetserver.com!newscon02.news.p [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > alt.cellular.verizon:313423 > alt.cellular.gsm.carriers.voicestream:182577 Geez, is Prodigy still in business?? Oh, look, those idiots left his IP hangin' out for the bots to find, too...(c;
Not very good spamming, is it?
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castellan - 16 Jun 2005 12:55 GMT I miss my QCP-860 :(
However, my model was labelled Qualcomm, even though the later ones had Kyocera on them.
> This has marginal interest to maybe one person, but I found these 6 Kyocera > t-shirts, and they were really Kool. As I'm a fan of the phones, there must [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > A really NEAT, Classic Kyocera T-Shirt, I LOVE it, u 2 Item number: > 8312330039
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Larry W4CSC - 16 Jun 2005 06:01 GMT > A standard household light bulb emits about 1 milli-gauss at 1/2 inch. Go over to alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean and download the movie I've posted there. Wonder how many milligauss that flamethrower puts out?
The switch that arcs opens an inductor that's placed on a very high voltage transmission line to correct its power factor. I don't think it liked them taking the power away....(c;
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Klein - 19 Jun 2005 05:20 GMT >1 milli-gauss was/is considered marginally dangerous ( according to the >documentation that came with my testers, the test equipment is designed >for assuring compliance with Federal law. Three meters altogether, two >with identical sensitivity and the third dampened by about three >milli-gauss. One of the two with identical sensitivity, I call "Bugs >Bunny" for no reason. That's funny, the earth's magnetic field measures around 500 milli-gauss. Also, take a look at this: http://www.greenfacts.org/power-lines/l-3/power-lines-1.htm
The table at the bottom would indicate that we're wallowing in much stronger magnetic fields than you've measured from a cell phone. Add to that the fact that no one has convincing evidence that magnetic fields of _any_ strength are hazardous. But don't let that stop you from having fun with your gadget.
Some years ago, one of the buildings used by my employer had a very high voltage line running quite close to it. People who's offices were on that side of the building were complaining of not feeling well after working there a while. On investigating further, we found that all the complainers had PC's in their offices and used them quite a bit. Knowing that CRT monitors can be influenced by external magnetic fields we tried shielding the monitors - but not the people. Problem solved. But we decided it was easier to move people away from the field if they had a computer monitor in their office than to shield all the monitors from the field. We believed that the feeling of unease was caused by a small but perceptable jitter of the computer display caused by the magnetic field, i.e., the problem was really visual - not magnetic.
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Larry W4CSC - 19 Jun 2005 14:42 GMT > The table at the bottom would indicate that we're wallowing in much > stronger magnetic fields than you've measured from a cell phone. Add > to that the fact that no one has convincing evidence that magnetic > fields of _any_ strength are hazardous. But don't let that stop you > from having fun with your gadget. If you'd like to hear the alternating current flowing through your body in any house in the land, just unplug the audio cable from your computer that runs to the input of your audio amplifier or stereo. Touch the end of the cable with your finger and listen to the loud hum coming out of the speaker. That signal is coming from YOU...capacitively coupled from all the 60 Hz (USA/Canada) or 50 Hz (rest of the planet) unshielded wiring around you.
Everything plugged into the wall outlet is radiating you, too. Touch the center pin of that audio cable to any metal part of your computer, appliances, etc. and you can hear their really loud AC hum on their metal cases....even grounded ones.
WARNING - START WITH THE VOLUME CONTROL SET VERY LOW AS THE INTENSE 60 Hz SIGNAL THROUGH A POWERFUL AMP WILL BLOW THE SPEAKERS and I'm not going to pay for them...(c;
Humans have been part of the AC fields since Nikola Tesla strung that first high voltage AC powerline to Rochester from Niagara Falls, which put Thomas Edison, and almost GE, out of the electric power business. Tesla, himself, sat in very intense fields from the time he was in his 20's until his old age death in 1943 at the age of 87. Now, if you boys want to study a REAL threat to your electromagnetic health, and of the planet's, start reading about HAARP in Gakona, Alaska, another one of Tesla's inventions, the Death Ray: http://www.2012.com.au/HAARP.html http://www.fbi.gov/foipa/tesla/tesla1.pdf http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1999/may/m08-002.shtml just search Google for Tesla or HAARP
Maybe cellphone owners should buy some "Tesla Plates" for their cellphones. We could sell them to the same idiots who bought those little stick-on bogus "antenna boosters" still sold in the malls. http://www.teslaplatten.ch/tp_start_e.htm#What exactly are these Tesla plates
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You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in chalk.
djk - 14 Jun 2005 12:50 GMT > "Cellphones are terribly > dangerous and will fry your brains, cause you cancer, your eyeballs will > fall out!" Isn't that convenient?! not to mention, obesity and hairloss.
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