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Reply7471859353@wmconnect.com - 11 Jun 2005 02:01 GMT
My cell is emergency call pickup ONLY, and is a unique and irreplacble
artifact, for that usage. I don't know about all cell phones, however,
every cell phone I have ever tested ( dozens) EXCEED ( former) United
States Federal electomagnetic radio emmision standards, which is/was
approx. 30 milli-gauss.  30 is/was considered extreamly dangerous for
short term exposure.  My personal understanding of electromagnetic
radiation sickness is that it is almost impossible to diagnose
correctly because of systemic failure of the human body.  Simply, the
result is an /uncurable/ illness that results in tumors, strokes ( cell
pohones in particular) and, unfortunately, deaths that is/are not
attributed to electromagnetic radiation sickness.  Maybe consider some
counter point to your presumption of cell phones are "absolutely safe."

Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU
KNOW THE FACTS.  The type of dynamic intense radiation field emited by
every cell phone I have tested is a dangerous gamble, each and every
TRANSMIT.

Mark A. Washburn
maw
Joseph - 11 Jun 2005 14:27 GMT
>Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU
>KNOW THE FACTS.

And unless you have the proven facts it is only your own supposition.
The truth is that there is no ABSOLUTE proof of what you infer. (I
know how to use the CAPS LOCK key as well!)

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Larry W4CSC - 12 Jun 2005 15:45 GMT
> Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU
> KNOW THE FACTS.  The type of dynamic intense radiation field emited by
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Mark A. Washburn
> maw

Horseshit.  Not far from your home is a 316,000 watt VHF TV station, a
25,000,000 watt UHF TV station, up to a 50,000 watt AM radio station, up to
a 100,000 watt FM radio station, paging transmitters running ERPs into the
multikilowatt ranges on VHF and UHF.  Are you near an airport?  With their
megawatt microwave radar transmitters?  Near any military?  Their running
multi-megawatt troposcatter phone transmitters.

A friend of mine died a couple of years ago.  His name was Linwood Sikes,
amateur radio call N4LS.  Linwood was in his 90's.  Since he was a boy,
around World War I when radio came into its own, Linwood was an amateur
radio operator (a "ham", the nickname for Hiram Maxim who started the
Amateur Radio Relay League (ARRL) back in the teens).  Being a ham, Linwood
had been exposed to high powered transmitters, right in his home, all his
life.  I have since I got my license in 1957.  I was 11.  Linwood died in
his 90s of old age.  He also put the first radio station in Charleston on
the air, traveled around the country for airlines putting them on the air
("Alameda calling China Clipper" from the movies).  Linwood, after WW2,
opened Sikes Radio Company, our local Motorola 2-way radio company his son
still runs today.  He was a broadcast engineer exposed to a multitude of
radio and television transmitters, most of which back in the "old days"
didn't even have a cabinet on them, to say nothing of some kind of RF
shielding.  Linwood died of old age in his 90's.

Sitting on my desk is a vhf/uhf walkie talkie I've used on the ham bands
for 20+ years.  It runs 7w on VHF and 5W on UHF.  I hold it right up in
front of my face and talk into the microphone.  There's a 1,500 watt ham
radio station on the desk whos antenna is right over the top of me.  If I
key it with this computer on, it trashes the computer at full power.  Does
your phone with its puny .2 watt transmitter?  Of course not...no power!  
Hell, the cell has trouble hearing that peanut whistle!  Go to my webpage
on qrz.com.  Browse to http://www.qrz.com/ and in the little callsign box
enter W4CSC, my ham radio call.  My ugly picture comes up grossing everyone
out, but look at it anyway.  See that little 300,000v ceramic insulator in
my hand?  It exploded right over my head when hit with 70,000 watts near 7
Mhz from a pirate radio ship the FCC finally confiscated here in
Charleston.  Too much RF voltage.  It was part of the feed through
insulator that fed the 70KW RF through the hatch to a T antenna between two
towers welded to the deck.  Fed with unterminated open wire feeders from an
old Voice Of America transmitter in the hold.  
(http://hawkins.pair.com/voanc/voanc07.jpg  is the actual image address of
this transmitter.)  Everything in the compartment glowed an eerie blue from
the power present that didn't make it up this insulator.  Me, too!  Totally
cool...(c;  I was just a guest of the ship's captain during the test.  The
ship belonged to a nutcase, Rev Stair of Overcomer Ministeries in
Walterboro, SC, you can hear on short wave every night.  Hold your wallet
and visit http://www.overcomerministry.org/ He talks directly to God!...(c;

Most people have never seen a serious broadcast beast that's frying their
brains.  Go to Jim Hawkins' broadcast museum and have a look around:
http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
It's the finest broadcast transmitter site on the net.  The VOA runs
500,000 watts from Ohio and Greenville, NC.  I've been to NC to tour it.  
Amazing power since WW2.

I'm still alive and nothing seems fried.  I'm 60 in January if I survive my
V60i's intermittent pulse transmissions...(c;

Now, let's talk about the REAL reason for all this panic.....M-O-N-E-Y!

Back in the AMPS days, cellular phones ran 3 watts of power on 800 Mhz and
noone got fried.  The brick handhelds ran 600 mw because they wanted the
little batteries of the day to last longer than 15 minutes..not much
longer, but longer than 15 minutes.  They sucked because the system was
incomplete at worst and setup for 3w car antenna transmitters with towers
10 miles apart.  Then cellular exploded in popularity.  In cities, you
could hardly use it because the system was totally overloaded, even at
$1.50/minute!  The solution?  Closer spaced cells with much lower antennas
(100') that didn't have the range of the 500' AMPS beasts of old.  You may
still see some 500' cellphone towers around your neighborhood but now with
antennas way down the tower, not at the top.  The new antenna panels,
you'll note, actually point DOWN at an angle, to keep them from hearing the
phones in the next cells over from them.  Take a look.  Every cell sector
has several hundred channels on them.  There's 3 sectors on each cell 120
degrees apart.  (See the three panel arrays pointing in different
directions?)  More, lower powered, lower down cells meant that many extra
"channels per square mile" that could be running up those minute meters.  
The companies kept building in cities making fat revenues from all the
minute meters per square mile clicking away.

But, alas, those 3W cars, in spite of how we pointed the panels, kept
occupying way too many cell sectors every time they went on the air.  You
were talking on this cell, but were jamming that channel on 8 other cells
we could be makin' money off of at the same time.  The solution?  Dump
mobile cellphones and bagphones with 3W transmitters and come out with a
much smaller phone called the "flip phone", an AMPS phone with a 600 mw
(.6w) transmitter.  It sold like hotcakes to bagphone users luggin' around
the high powered monsters or to people who had to leave their phone access
in their cars.  The flip phones had poorer antennas, too, which helped
reduce their range to only a couple of cells.  The buildout continued as
the complaints of dead zones kept rollin' in.  3 miles from a tower, flip
phones sucked.  In the country where towers were 10 miles apart, they
really sucked.  Sales dropped off and bagphones were put back on the air.

Then came "digital".  Around the time of digital, a propaganda campaign
rivalling The Third Reich's was instigated.  "Cellphones are terribly
dangerous and will fry your brains, cause you cancer, your eyeballs will
fall out!"  Isn't that convenient?!  Just when we're gonna sell 'em all new
digital phones that will let us put 24 people on each sector channel, we'll
convince them those awful "high-powered" phones are just frying the kids!  
The paid hacks lined up to tell you how dangerous your tiny 600 mw flip
phone that never killed anyone was.  The gullible, stupid public, as usual,
bought it hook line and sinker.  So, we came out with a SAFER, more
profitable transmitter that only put out 300 mw....then 200 mw....now 150
mw...or less in the future.  Because the tiny transmitters only have a
range of about a mile or so, OUTSIDE in the clear, more towers, more cells,
more sectors-per-square-mile were erected, only in the cities and along
major roads connecting them, the Interstates.  Now with 24 users per
channel, with transmitter powers the COMPANY controls with CDMA's data, we
can turn 'em down to just a few milliwatts so they only hit one or two
sectors, and only then in the overlap between two minicells.

Revenue per square mile couldn't be better!  We can even drop the prices on
minutes because our competitors did.  

An we lived happily.....and safe from those big 3w transmitters....ever
after.....(c;.....er, ah, unless you wanna use your phone inside a building
2 miles from the nearest cell....(d^:)

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Kentish - 12 Jun 2005 16:28 GMT
I love it when ham's explain RF, not to mention the amateur band which is
around the wireless phone spectrum...

>> Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU
>> KNOW THE FACTS.  The type of dynamic intense radiation field emited by
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Linwood
> had been exposed to high powered transmitters, right in his home, all his
[snip]
George - 12 Jun 2005 18:07 GMT
>>Don't bet your life or the life of your spouse and children, until YOU
>>KNOW THE FACTS.  The type of dynamic intense radiation field emited by
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> megawatt microwave radar transmitters?  Near any military?  Their running
> multi-megawatt troposcatter phone transmitters.

I am sure you know about the inverse square law.

> A friend of mine died a couple of years ago.  His name was Linwood Sikes,
> amateur radio call N4LS.  Linwood was in his 90's.  Since he was a boy,
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> I'm still alive and nothing seems fried.  I'm 60 in January if I survive my
> V60i's intermittent pulse transmissions...(c;

The current knowledge about cancer says that two conditions are
necessary. One is a genetic predisposition and two is some enviromental
condition to "turn it on". That is the reason why you can have a
population that may be exposed to paint thinner for example and only a
few will get liver cancer. The ones that didn't did not have the
predisposition. Your arguement represents only a sample size of one and
is very similar to "my grandpa smoked 8 packs/day and lived to 97 and
didn't get cancer". Possibly interesting but should you bet that you had
the exact genes that grandpa had?

> Now, let's talk about the REAL reason for all this panic.....M-O-N-E-Y!
>
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> can turn 'em down to just a few milliwatts so they only hit one or two
> sectors, and only then in the overlap between two minicells.

I see the problem. Cell companies should revert back to a business model
where they can only service a few hundred customers in a market and not
use effective lower power systems that allow frequency reuse/more users
and lower power equipment that may be safer, compact and has longer
battery life.

> Revenue per square mile couldn't be better!  We can even drop the prices on
> minutes because our competitors did.  
>
> An we lived happily.....and safe from those big 3w transmitters....ever
> after.....(c;.....er, ah, unless you wanna use your phone inside a building
> 2 miles from the nearest cell....(d^:)
Larry W4CSC - 12 Jun 2005 23:24 GMT
George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:1cWdncXzC4hH9jHfRVn-
pA@adelphia.com:

> The current knowledge about cancer says that two conditions are
> necessary. One is a genetic predisposition and two is some enviromental
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> didn't get cancer". Possibly interesting but should you bet that you had
> the exact genes that grandpa had?

But the problem with that is I know THOUSANDS of hams, people who do 12
hour shifts at major broadcast transmitters, in fields so strong they can't
turn the flourescent lights in the building OFF with the transmitters
on....None of them are fried.  Some of these people have been doing it for
50 years!  Are they all some magic gene pool?  Nonsense....same crap as the
Freon 12 in your car....it's about money.

As to the snide remark about the ham bands being around cellphone's magic-
cooking frequency...that's more smokin' nonsense.  The UHF TV transmitters
are thousands of times more powerful, and those engineers that sit there
aren't killed by the RF leaking out of it.  The old guys were eradiated
like hell.  They were in more danger driving TO the transmitter than
sitting for 60 hours a week for 30 years in front of it.

If what you say is so, we need to shut down every high powered RF source in
the countries....to protect us.  Your measily milliwatt cellphone at 6"
isn't nearly as intense as Rock 96 FM's blowtorch just down the street.

The air is polluted with Jet engines and power plants, not R-12 leaking
from the old Ford.  You have just about as much chance of shutting down
Rock 96's 100KW transmitter as you do that 747 dumping its engine crap on
your kids.....

It's always the CONSUMER's stuff that produces all the pollution, air or
RF....bullshit.

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O/Siris - 13 Jun 2005 03:10 GMT
> It's always the CONSUMER's stuff that produces all the pollution, air or
> RF....bullshit.

Pseudo-science.  Fun stuff, eh?

I notice the OP provided NOTHING to prove his claim.  Not measurement
equipment, not how the tests were carried out, not even what phones
used.

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John Cummings - 13 Jun 2005 08:50 GMT
>> It's always the CONSUMER's stuff that produces all the pollution,
>> air or RF....bullshit.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> equipment, not how the tests were carried out, not even what phones
> used.

Having spent twentyfive years in broadcast engineering and two-way radio
service, and thirtyseven years in amateur radio, I can confirm Larry's (OP)
observations of the participants. Non-ionizing RF doesn't matter, but watch
out for heating effects at the higher frequencies and powers.

John C., N4BKN
Dean - 13 Jun 2005 06:00 GMT
You tell 'em, Larry.

What's really scary is the high-powered stuff we get blasted with every
minute of every day from everywhere BESIDES the cellphone.

Dean
N2QNE
________________________________________
> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:1cWdncXzC4hH9jHfRVn-
> pA@adelphia.com:
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> It's always the CONSUMER's stuff that produces all the pollution, air or
> RF....bullshit.
Larry W4CSC - 14 Jun 2005 02:13 GMT
> What's really scary is the high-powered stuff we get blasted with every
> minute of every day from everywhere BESIDES the cellphone.

Their cellphones should be the LEAST of their worries....(c;

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Reply7471859353@wmconnect.com - 15 Jun 2005 04:22 GMT
1 milli-gauss was/is considered marginally dangerous ( according to the
documentation that came with my testers, the test equipment is designed
for assuring compliance with Federal law.  Three meters altogether, two
with identical sensitivity and the third dampened by about three
milli-gauss.  One of the two with identical sensitivity, I call "Bugs
Bunny" for no reason.

I have used these devices for about twelve years.  I have tested
electronic equipment, TVs, Home and industrial electric motors, power
lines, lighting systems, generators, power inverters and converters, an
industrial laser ...

OK

A standard household light bulb emits about 1 milli-gauss at 1/2 inch.

TVs and computer monitors can measure a wide variety of patterns.  I
had a TV in the living room of my house that seemed OK, I measured a 30
milli-gauss field extending about two feet in front of the TV, what
supprised me was that a steady/strong 30 milli-gauss field was cutting
thru the edge of the toilet behind the wall of the TV ( a built in
entertainment center location).

I purchased a motor home from a RV 'lifer', well, until his wife died.
He wasn't interested in keeping their home any further, and offered the
RV for sale thru his dealership.  I detected a 30 milli-gauss field
extending several feet thru the lower cabin single bed.  He slept in
the loft.

About two and 1/2 feet away from a 30 amp main power line, I read 30
milli-gauss.

There are two different types of spikes from a cell phone, from the
transmitter and from the load speaker, both typically 30 milli-gauss
extending from the phone for five to seven inches, during transmit and
from the speaker ( during recieve).

For example, the phone I currently am holding in my hand, ( name brands
withheld)
1) emits a 30 milli-gauss field, at zero inches at the ear piece after
a full power on; the ear piece field drops to 1 milli-gauss at a
distance of one inch.
2) every where else the phone meters about 1 milli-gause at zero inches
with power-on.
3) emits a stong and steady 30 milli-gauss field extending about three
inches during talk, with two types of em radiation, the transmitter AND
the ear piece locations, and ( very) variable 30 milli-gauss field out
to six inches.

... ( insert long list of consumer and commercial tests)

The field strength meter's detect electromagnetic field strength
/differentials/ as sampled using the 'normal' environment noise.

About fifteen feet below a power transformer, I can detect a 1 to 2
milli-gauss field, a few feet more then I can not detect any filed
differential.

Your turn.

maw

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Tinman - 15 Jun 2005 09:30 GMT
<snip a buncha of test-everything-I-encounter)

> Your turn.

Might I suggest a tinfoil hat?

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O/Siris - 16 Jun 2005 01:20 GMT
> 1 milli-gauss was/is considered marginally dangerous ( according to the
> documentation that came with my testers,

Interesting that the State of Minnesota says no such standard exists:

"Currently there are no federal or state health-based exposure standards
for magnetic fields. This is due to the fact that there is inadequate
scientific evidence to develop a health-based standard. References to
safe/unsafe magnetic field levels in studies are not health-based
standards; they are arbitrary exposure cut off points used by
researchers, and they provide no scientific basis to evaluate or
estimate potential health risks.

While there is currently no "safe" level determined for EMF, people may
obtain measurements in their home and use information about typical
magnetic field exposures to determine if their exposures are likely to
be higher than, comparable to, or lower than the levels in other
residential settings."

http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/radiation/emf/#standards

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Larry W4CSC - 16 Jun 2005 02:35 GMT
> Currently there are no federal or state health-based exposure standards
> for magnetic fields.

If they had standards for magnetic and electric fields, powerful lobby
power companies would be forced to bury the 1925 electric system in the
USA.  Unlike the developed countries of Europe, our AC power system still
hangs on old wooden poles just like it did back then.  The fields produced
by it all account for a loss of 1/3 of the power generated from leakage.

We just raise power rates to make up for the losses....

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dr.news@better.price.biz.nospam - 16 Jun 2005 03:06 GMT
This has marginal interest to maybe one person, but I found these 6 Kyocera
t-shirts, and they were really Kool.  As I'm a fan of the phones, there must
be a geek or two, that can't live without a Kyocera t-shirt.  If you hate
the phone, you probably won't like the shirt either.

Well, now that you know I'm selling something it is on ebay.  Don't follow
the link if you don't want to see it.  But the shirt is surprisingly kool, I
thought so.  Any size, any color as long as it is XL and white.  I only have
the ones show.  Sorry to be a bother, but I did tell you I was selling em.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8312330039

     A really NEAT, Classic Kyocera T-Shirt, I LOVE it, u 2 Item number:
8312330039

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Garner Miller - 16 Jun 2005 03:28 GMT
> This has marginal interest to maybe one person, but I found these 6 Kyocera
> t-shirts, and they were really Kool.
> Well, now that you know I'm selling something it is on ebay.  Don't follow
> the link if you don't want to see it....

Don't spam newsgroups to sell your crap.

And for a $15 shipping charge, it better come next-day-air packed in
dry ice!

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dr.news@better.price.biz.nospam - 17 Jun 2005 02:22 GMT
Hello: this isn't spam, it was listed as commercial "stuff" and only posted
to the verizon news group.  Garner Miller: You shouldn't have read it, if
you didn't like it.  Save yourself some time, put me in your kill file, then
I won't have to answer your notes either.  The Kyocera shirt is kool... if I
sent it to your email box that is spam; posting Verizon stuff to anyone only
interested in VZW stuff is what, among other things, a newsgroup is for.  I
didn't hide anything.  Don't like it, don't read it.  I contribute my fair
share of technical value and hints.  Go elsewhere if you don't like it. dr

And yes, I'd pack your shirt in dry ice, didn't you send me mail saying you
wanted to give me lots of money if I sent my products to Nigeria... wasn't
that you?  Now that is spam.
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> Don't spam newsgroups to sell your crap.
>
> And for a $15 shipping charge, it better come next-day-air packed in
> dry ice!
Jim Seymour - 17 Jun 2005 16:58 GMT
> Hello: this isn't spam,

Yeah, yeah, we know: "Spam is something other than what I do."  Hear
it all the time.

>                         it was listed as commercial "stuff" and only posted
> to the verizon news group.

Wrong, Oh Top-Posting, Spamming, Clue-Impaired One.  Observe:

   Newsgroups: alt.cellular,sdnet.wireless.pcs,alt.cellular.sprintpcs,
   alt.cellular.verizon,alt.cellular.gsm.carriers.voicestream

I count five (5) newsgroups.

>                             Garner Miller: You shouldn't have read it, if
> you didn't like it.

Oh boy, the "Just Hit Delete" suggestion.  Never heard *that* one
before.

>                      Save yourself some time, put me in your kill file, then
> I won't have to answer your notes either.

Keep spamming Usenet and you may find yourself relieved of answering
*any* "notes."

>                                            The Kyocera shirt is kool... if I
> sent it to your email box that is spam; posting Verizon stuff to anyone only
> interested in VZW stuff is what, among other things, a newsgroup is for.

Oh, I see *now*: *You* define the purpose of a newsgroup, not its
Charter.  *You* are the Ultimate Arbiter of Usenet etiquette.

>                                                                           I
> didn't hide anything.  Don't like it, don't read it.  I contribute my fair
> share of technical value and hints.  Go elsewhere if you don't like it. dr

Have you read your ISP's Terms Of Service lately?  In fact: Have you
ever read them *at* *all*?  I'm guessing "no" on both counts.

> And yes, I'd pack your shirt in dry ice, didn't you send me mail saying you
> wanted to give me lots of money if I sent my products to Nigeria... wasn't
> that you?  Now that is spam.

You don't get to define "spam," Oh Top-Posting, Spamming, Clueless
One.  More likely "harassment" than spam, which is probably also a
violation of the sender's ISP's TOS.  But in complaining: You fail
the "clean hands" test.  So please stfu and go away.  Thank you.

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bushman - 16 Jun 2005 03:47 GMT
Dude. $15 for shipping?

That is wrong of you.

jb
dr.news@better.price.biz.nospam - 17 Jun 2005 02:18 GMT
Let me see... if you get a box of stuff for a penny; we stuff the whole
thing in a USPS box for $7.70 for fast shipping.  They were boiler plated...
the box of phones, the box of car chargers.... but ok, if someone wins it,
they can pick the shipping....  as long as they cover the cost of the
shipping/box.  But if they get it for a penny, they have to buy me a six
pack of pop, to make the drive to the po worth my time.  A penny mind you,
some of this stuff was for a penny!  dr
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> Dude. $15 for shipping?
>
> That is wrong of you.
>
> jb
dr.news@better.price.biz.nospam - 17 Jun 2005 02:28 GMT
Ooops, sorry for the broad post.  I should have left this to VZW only.
Sorry. Any posts to questions will be to vzw.news only... sorry. I should
know better. :-(  dr
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    home of the better priced phone and service:
http://free.better-price.biz

> Let me see... if you get a box of stuff for a penny; we stuff the whole
> thing in a USPS box for $7.70 for fast shipping.  They were boiler
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> buy me a six pack of pop, to make the drive to the po worth my time.  A
> penny mind you, some of this stuff was for a penny!  dr
Notan - 17 Jun 2005 02:34 GMT
> Let me see... if you get a box of stuff for a penny; we stuff the whole
> thing in a USPS box for $7.70 for fast shipping.  They were boiler plated...
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> pack of pop, to make the drive to the po worth my time.  A penny mind you,
> some of this stuff was for a penny!  dr

What the hell are you talking about?

Notan
Quick - 17 Jun 2005 05:46 GMT
>> Let me see... if you get a box of stuff for a penny; we
>> stuff the whole thing in a USPS box for $7.70 for fast
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>
> What the hell are you talking about?

He is spamming the known universe with his eBay
auctions.  ISP TOS anyone?

-Quick
Larry W4CSC - 16 Jun 2005 06:05 GMT
> Path:
> be05!atl-c01.usenetserver.com!atl-c02.usenetserver.com!newscon02.news.p
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> alt.cellular.verizon:313423
> alt.cellular.gsm.carriers.voicestream:182577

Geez, is Prodigy still in business??  Oh, look, those idiots left his IP
hangin' out for the bots to find, too...(c;

Not very good spamming, is it?

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castellan - 16 Jun 2005 12:55 GMT
I miss my QCP-860 :(

However, my model was labelled Qualcomm, even though the later ones had Kyocera
on them.

> This has marginal interest to maybe one person, but I found these 6 Kyocera
> t-shirts, and they were really Kool.  As I'm a fan of the phones, there must
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>       A really NEAT, Classic Kyocera T-Shirt, I LOVE it, u 2 Item number:
> 8312330039

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Larry W4CSC - 16 Jun 2005 06:01 GMT
> A standard household light bulb emits about 1 milli-gauss at 1/2 inch.

Go over to alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean and download the movie I've
posted there.  Wonder how many milligauss that flamethrower puts out?

The switch that arcs opens an inductor that's placed on a very high voltage
transmission line to correct its power factor.  I don't think it liked them
taking the power away....(c;

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Klein - 19 Jun 2005 05:20 GMT
>1 milli-gauss was/is considered marginally dangerous ( according to the
>documentation that came with my testers, the test equipment is designed
>for assuring compliance with Federal law.  Three meters altogether, two
>with identical sensitivity and the third dampened by about three
>milli-gauss.  One of the two with identical sensitivity, I call "Bugs
>Bunny" for no reason.

That's funny, the earth's magnetic field measures around 500
milli-gauss.  Also, take a look at this:
http://www.greenfacts.org/power-lines/l-3/power-lines-1.htm

The table at the bottom would indicate that we're wallowing in much
stronger magnetic fields than you've measured from a cell phone.  Add
to that the fact that no one has convincing evidence that magnetic
fields of _any_ strength are hazardous.  But don't let that stop you
from having fun with your gadget.

Some years ago, one of the buildings used by my employer had a very
high voltage line running quite close to it.  People who's offices
were on that side of the building were complaining of not feeling well
after working there a while.  On investigating further, we found that
all the complainers had PC's in their offices and used them quite a
bit.  Knowing that CRT monitors can be influenced by external magnetic
fields we tried shielding the monitors - but not the people.  Problem
solved.  But we decided it was easier to move people away from the
field if they had a computer monitor in their office than to shield
all the monitors from the field.  We believed that the feeling of
unease was caused by a small but perceptable jitter of the computer
display caused by the magnetic field, i.e., the problem was really
visual - not magnetic.

Klein

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Larry W4CSC - 19 Jun 2005 14:42 GMT
> The table at the bottom would indicate that we're wallowing in much
> stronger magnetic fields than you've measured from a cell phone.  Add
> to that the fact that no one has convincing evidence that magnetic
> fields of _any_ strength are hazardous.  But don't let that stop you
> from having fun with your gadget.

If you'd like to hear the alternating current flowing through your body in
any house in the land, just unplug the audio cable from your computer that
runs to the input of your audio amplifier or stereo.  Touch the end of the
cable with your finger and listen to the loud hum coming out of the
speaker.  That signal is coming from YOU...capacitively coupled from all
the 60 Hz (USA/Canada) or 50 Hz (rest of the planet) unshielded wiring
around you.

Everything plugged into the wall outlet is radiating you, too.  Touch the
center pin of that audio cable to any metal part of your computer,
appliances, etc. and you can hear their really loud AC hum on their metal
cases....even grounded ones.

WARNING - START WITH THE VOLUME CONTROL SET VERY LOW AS THE INTENSE 60 Hz
SIGNAL THROUGH A POWERFUL AMP WILL BLOW THE SPEAKERS and I'm not going to
pay for them...(c;

Humans have been part of the AC fields since Nikola Tesla strung that first
high voltage AC powerline to Rochester from Niagara Falls, which put Thomas
Edison, and almost GE, out of the electric power business.  Tesla, himself,
sat in very intense fields from the time he was in his 20's until his old
age death in 1943 at the age of 87.  Now, if you boys want to study a REAL
threat to your electromagnetic health, and of the planet's, start reading
about HAARP in Gakona, Alaska, another one of Tesla's inventions, the
Death Ray:
http://www.2012.com.au/HAARP.html
http://www.fbi.gov/foipa/tesla/tesla1.pdf
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1999/may/m08-002.shtml
just search Google for Tesla or HAARP

Maybe cellphone owners should buy some "Tesla Plates" for their cellphones.  
We could sell them to the same idiots who bought those little stick-on
bogus "antenna boosters" still sold in the malls.
http://www.teslaplatten.ch/tp_start_e.htm#What exactly are these Tesla
plates

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djk - 14 Jun 2005 12:50 GMT
> "Cellphones are terribly
> dangerous and will fry your brains, cause you cancer, your eyeballs will
> fall out!"  Isn't that convenient?!  

not to mention, obesity and hairloss.
 
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