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Cellular Phone Forum / General / General Topics / July 2003Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
How do I update the PRL in an old Motorola Bag Phone (analog only)? My carrier is Verizon. Josh III upstate south carolina >How do I update the PRL in an old Motorola Bag Phone (analog only)? >My carrier is Verizon. The older (AMPS) system did not use a PRL. The carrier had a data base (as did all the carriers) that checked to see if your carrier was a roaming partner and allowed the phone to work if your carrier was. I suspect that this is still the case. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net SON, HOLD YOUR TONGUE!.....(c; YOU control who the bagphone talks to.......not "them"! When the "roam" sign comes on solid, you're paying roaming rates. When it's blinking "roam" you're on the extended system. (And they said I was the only AMPS customer left).....HA! Enjoy your high fidelity, excellent ranged AMPS bagphone at LEAST until Feb 16, 2008! FCC extended us again....and probably will many more times.....(c; In Charleston, leave it on STD A/B and it'll try VZW before roaming over to Alltel on extended. Works great! >How do I update the PRL in an old Motorola Bag Phone (analog only)? >My carrier is Verizon. > >Josh III >upstate south carolina Larry And now a word from our flamers and masochists..... I don't know if its still true, but when analog was in wide use, sin some areas verizon was an "a" system, and in others it might be a "B" system, so depends on system--I used to call 611 to see if verizon or whomever's customer service answered--I'm not sure if this still works or not???? nospam@home.com (Larry) wrote in article <3f182bb8.4969683@news.usenetserver.com>: > SON, HOLD YOUR TONGUE!.....(c; > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > And now a word from our flamers and masochists..... >I don't know if its still true, but when analog was in wide use, sin >some areas verizon was an "a" system, and in others it might be a "B" >system, so depends on system--I used to call 611 to see if verizon or >whomever's customer service answered--I'm not sure if this still works >or not???? Yes, it depends on who Verizon bought up and what system them had whether Verizon is on A or B. Here it's A.... Larry And now a word from our flamers and masochists..... The only way to find the SID of the carrier when using an analog only phone is to dial 611 and talk to a CSR? I thought analog phones still communicated with the carrier via built-in digital modem, i.e., communicating ESN, number dialed, etc.? The bag phone in question is my Dad's exclusive car phone. I used it on extended trips myself a few times, but never really played with it to learn all its capabilities/bells-n-whistles. My first cellphone I owned personally was a digital nokia and my carrier is Verizon. I've had it a year and I'm just now finding out how get it to list its SID. Josh III upstate south carolina > ....... > YOU control who the bagphone talks to.......not "them"! > > When the "roam" sign comes on solid, you're paying roaming rates. > When it's blinking "roam" you're on the extended system. It was Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:20:40 GMT, and nospam@home.com (Larry) wrote in alt.cellular: | SON, HOLD YOUR TONGUE!.....(c; To thy own tounge be held! Please answer correctly, or don't answer at all. Too many errors, Larry. | YOU control who the bagphone talks to.......not "them"! Partially true. Any system can refuse any call except 911. | When the "roam" sign comes on solid, you're paying | roaming rates. When it's blinking "roam" you're on the | extended system. On a bag phone? That's pure BS Larry and you know it. The roam light only blinks when there is a short in the handset on the led leads, :) On a modern phone (non-bag phone) the roaming should follow the pattern shown, but there is no guarantee that ROAM = paying higher rates. "Expect to pay roaming rates." is more accurate, but billing doesn't know or care what your roam indicator displayed at that moment. | Enjoy your high fidelity, excellent ranged AMPS bagphone | at LEAST until Feb 16, 2008! FCC extended us again.... | and probably will many more times.....(c; No extension Larry. Prior to the date being set there was no sunset to the AMPS rule. The FCC's choosing a date is NOT an extension, it is reducing the date from infinity to something within the near future. BTW: There is no PRL in a bag phone. Later models had a shorth SID list which could be marked positive or negative. Some AMPS only phones had a longer list which could affect the roam indication (Home, Roam, Negative per SID) but it was not a PRL nor was it called a PRL. JL >| When the "roam" sign comes on solid, you're paying >| roaming rates. When it's blinking "roam" you're on the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >roaming rates." is more accurate, but billing doesn't know >or care what your roam indicator displayed at that moment. Nope, sorry. The ROAM sign blinks on some systems and is solid on on others....just like I said. Do YOU have one to play with or just trolling? The AMPS phones DO tell you what's extended and what's pure roaming. Mine even did it in Florida going after the yacht.....(c; Larry And now a word from our flamers and masochists..... It was Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:05 GMT, and nospam@home.com (Larry) wrote in alt.cellular: |> On a bag phone? No, Liar Larry. Tri-Mode in AMPS mode, but not a bag phone. JL > It was Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:05 GMT, and nospam@home.com > (Larry) wrote in alt.cellular: > |> On a bag phone? > > No, Liar Larry. Tri-Mode in AMPS mode, but not a bag phone. My Motorola bag phone shows a solid Roam indicator if I'm on a B side system (my home system is also B), and a blinking Roam indicator if I'm on an A side system. If I subscribed to the A system instead, the indicator would show the reverse. Jim I am not an expert on this, but I still have a bag phone I used in a rather rural area- and before there was as much roaming and consolidation of smaller cellular providers, the bag phone a/b thing worked pretty well--but you may or may not remember there was littlle book issue with your contract--it was a listing by state of who and where and MAINLY "what system either A or B you could roam with. VErizon or at the time Cellular one, GTE, ete, etc, etc, depending on where your home carrier was located, was usually an "A" system--but there were MANY, MANY, MANY EXCEPTIONS" For instance, on a road trip from Tn to Washington and on to New york--your "PREFERRED ROAM SYSTEM" MIGHT CHANGE 5 OR 6 TIMES--YOU WOULD GET THE "PREFERRED" roam rates only if you switched to the "A" or B system indicated in the little book--it it's latter issues, the preferred systems were printed in red--and as time went by, as verizon or whatever it was at that time, the red listing grew, and grew. It worked, but it was a little confusing, as a lot of folks didn't have a clue as to what in h-- A?B was much less how to change it--but if you made a call, while off home system, roaming could cost as much a $1 or more per minute if the wrong A/B system were selected, or not selected --arrantly now with the new digital systems, the prl thing does this automatically. I would appreciate further explanation if anyone can. Again, I'm no expert, but I do remember the roaming books-and always had it with me to travel "Jim MacKenzie" <jim@dusykbarlow.sk.ca> wrote in article <3f1c0167@news3.accesscomm.ca>: > > It was Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:05 GMT, and nospam@home.com > > (Larry) wrote in alt.cellular: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Jim Well thats not a total lie I do know that the older motorola programming did have multiple sid enteries, their for making sort of a prl since it has more than one sid. so you could be right but why the long post ,when we aquire other carriers and absorb their network, wouldn't the obvious answer be that we change the sid registered at that tower?  SignatureJosh Csepegi Sr. Sales Represenative Fredom Wireless Verizon Wireless Agents The opinions expressed here are the opinions of Joshua Csepegi These opinions in no way are the thoughts or opinions of Freedom wireless , or Verizon wireless. plane@usa.com (p lane) wrote in article <vho5a4ohelq3d9@corp.supernews.com>: > I am not an expert on this, but I still have a bag phone I used in a > rather rural area- and before there was as much roaming and [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] I don't think you understood what I was saying--until the auto prl in the phones, it was up to the user of the phone to know what system the phone might be roaming or not roaming on--the roam light on the phone would never be on home unless, it were located in the home area( the home sid) verizon could change the sys id of the carriers they buy, but I doubt they could change the system from an "a" System to a B" system--it was a nightmare,much better now--with the new phones-- however what I said is mostly right, as I mentioned On the very last model moto's (bags and others) I believe you could load in sys codes which would exclude a particular systems use--to keep you from roaming off the wrong system I still have an old moto bag phone which I keep to use out in the hills--it would have to be a big emergency to try to use it out of home area--(it's on a local plan) The old phones had three indications, home, and roam, the roam would either flash or be solid==indicating roaming on the home t ype carrier or the other system--I forget which-and was I am trying to indicate, most folks didn't have clue as to what A/B was or how to change it- However at that time a call on the wrong system could cost over a $1/minute -for the most part this has now been fixed--pardon the long post joshcsepegi@hotmail.com (Joshua Csepegi) wrote in article <vhog40o9bcikd4@corp.supernews.com>: > Well thats not a total lie I do know that the older motorola programming > did have multiple sid enteries, their for making sort of a prl since it [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] > On the very last model moto's (bags and others) I believe you could load > in sys codes which would exclude a particular systems use--to keep you > from roaming off the wrong system That's exactly right. But you can't tell it to *prefer* a certain SID. If a provider had the same SID nationwide, that would be great if the phone supported it. But Motorola analog phones don't. You can just tell them who to avoid using. This might not be desirable if, e.g., the other side system was very expensive but had coverage where your native provider didn't. Jim Short question: If you bought an established "b" system, could you reassign the sys code that would also be used in an "a" system--if I'm not wrong, on the old motorola, when you loaded a particular sys code, this also automatically assigned the a/b system and the other parameters needed at that time. joshcsepegi@hotmail.com (Joshua Csepegi) wrote in article <vhog40o9bcikd4@corp.supernews.com>: > Well thats not a total lie I do know that the older motorola programming > did have multiple sid enteries, their for making sort of a prl since it [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] >>On a bag phone? That's pure BS Larry and you know it. The >>roam light only blinks when there is a short in the handset [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > others....just like I said. Do YOU have one to play with or just > trolling? IIRC, the ROAM light would blink on my old Motorola AMPS phone when i had it. However, the blinking wasn't really determined by any internal list in the phone, but rather by how the phone was programmed. If the phone's home system ws on the A side, then all A side roaming systems would blink. If the home system was "B" then all "B" systems would blink. The assumption was that A side carriers would tend to have more favorable roaming agreements with other A sides, and the same would be true for B carriers. Of course in practice, this didn't always hold true, but it was frequently correct. Back when I ahd Bell Atalntic Mobile on AMPS, I remember being told that follow-me roaming would only work on B carriers, with the exception of a couple markets where BAM was A-side. > On a bag phone? That's pure BS Larry and you know it. The > roam light only blinks when there is a short in the handset [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > roaming rates." is more accurate, but billing doesn't know > or care what your roam indicator displayed at that moment. It depends where you are, alright. I was in northeastern Montana and northwestern North Dakota on Saturday. All I could get was a solid ROAM on the B side (I'm on the B carrier here). (My GSM phone was a paperweight of course, although we have lots of GSM coverage up here in Canada.) And that would likely have cost me a couple of dollars a minute, but it did work (I called a test busy signal number to be sure). But if I were in Alberta or Manitoba, the phone would look the same, but I'd only be using my bucket of minutes and pay no extra fees. The other analog provider up here shows ROAM about fifteen minutes in any direction out of the city, but you don't pay extra as long as you're on its towers. It just has a ton of different SIDs, and as soon as you're on a new SID, your phone shows ROAM. Jim |
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