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90% of what? (coverage)

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david clayton - 24 Jun 2003 15:22 GMT
Can some knowledgeable person please clarify (I've gotten contradictory
impressions from local salespeople and this newsgroup):

When cingular says that "90% of their coverage will be GSM by year's end" --
does that mean that 90% of the Nationwide map (i.e., most of the US)?  Or
90% of the Preferred Nation map (i.e., the spidery web that follows
interstates)? Or something else yet again?

dc
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Jared Robinson - 24 Jun 2003 17:32 GMT
More than likely 90% of their licensed areas. That's GSM not GPRS.

david clayton <dclayton@life.uiuc.edu> wrote in article
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> Can some knowledgeable person please clarify (I've gotten contradictory
> impressions from local salespeople and this newsgroup):
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> dc
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XFF - 24 Jun 2003 18:59 GMT
> Can some knowledgeable person please clarify (I've gotten contradictory
> impressions from local salespeople and this newsgroup):
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 90% of the Preferred Nation map (i.e., the spidery web that follows
> interstates)? Or something else yet again?

Probably 90% of POPS in native Cingular markets.
John Navas - 24 Jun 2003 22:54 GMT
>Can some knowledgeable person please clarify (I've gotten contradictory
>impressions from local salespeople and this newsgroup):
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>90% of the Preferred Nation map (i.e., the spidery web that follows
>interstates)? Or something else yet again?

What it actually means, other responses notwithstanding, is 90% of Cingular
*subscribers*.

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david clayton - 25 Jun 2003 01:01 GMT
>> Can some knowledgeable person please clarify (I've gotten contradictory
>> impressions from local salespeople and this newsgroup):
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> What it actually means, other responses notwithstanding, is 90% of Cingular
> *subscribers*.

A ha.  That is "something else yet again" isn't it?

90% of subscribers is probably accounted for by the major metropolitan
areas alone. So, if I'm concerned about whether I can rely on GSM-only (as
opposed to TDMA or GAIT) for travel, that 90% number doesn't mean much does
it -- if my travel involves lots of time on interstates between cities, much
less off interstates?

JN-  Thank you for the clarification.

-DC
John Navas - 25 Jun 2003 02:26 GMT
>>> Can some knowledgeable person please clarify (I've gotten contradictory
>>> impressions from local salespeople and this newsgroup):
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>it -- if my travel involves lots of time on interstates between cities, much
>less off interstates?

I expect the interstates and other major highways to be pretty well covered.
It's beyond that where you're likely to find coverage gaps.

>JN-  Thank you for the clarification.

You're welcome.  :-)

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Brevdude - 25 Jun 2003 09:49 GMT
I believe they mean 90% of the nation map.  I just switched to GSM and love
it.. Check it out
John Navas - 25 Jun 2003 15:46 GMT
>I believe they mean 90% of the nation map.  ...

It's 90% of subscribers -- see
<http://www.cellular-news.com/story/8054_print.shtml>.

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Jared Robinson - 26 Jun 2003 17:21 GMT
I believe the article says 90% of the covered population for their
licensed areas by EOY 2003 for GPRS.

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John Navas - 26 Jun 2003 20:14 GMT
>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in article
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>> It's 90% of subscribers -- see
>> <http://www.cellular-news.com/story/8054_print.shtml>.

>I believe the article says 90% of the covered population for their
>licensed areas by EOY 2003 for GPRS.

GPRS has the same footprint as GSM, since all GSM service areas will have
GPRS.  That's why it says "GSM/GPRS".

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Robert Saville - 26 Jun 2003 05:33 GMT
Or perhaps it means 90% of the population will be covered. I tried GSM, it
failed the number one purpose of a cell phone - the ability to make and
recieve calls. Without that, nothing else matters.

You get contradictory information from local sales people, because that's
what they get. Long term planning is next week with Cingular (and most other
cellular companies)

Bob

> Can some knowledgeable person please clarify (I've gotten contradictory
> impressions from local salespeople and this newsgroup):
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> dc
> dclayton@uiuc.edu
John Navas - 26 Jun 2003 07:15 GMT
>... Long term planning is next week with Cingular (and most other
>cellular companies)

They actually have multi-year plans -- read the SEC filings.

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John S. - 26 Jun 2003 13:50 GMT
> I tried GSM, it
>failed the number one purpose of a cell phone - the ability to make and
>recieve calls. Without that, nothing else matters.

YEAH!!!! Someone else finally states exactly my feelings on the subject!!!

Thank you!

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John Navas - 26 Jun 2003 14:57 GMT
>> I tried GSM, it
>>failed the number one purpose of a cell phone - the ability to make and
>>recieve calls. Without that, nothing else matters.
>
>YEAH!!!! Someone else finally states exactly my feelings on the subject!!!

Don't hold back, John (aka sexyexotiche), tell us how you really feel!  ;-)

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John S. - 27 Jun 2003 13:45 GMT
>Don't hold back, John (aka sexyexotiche), tell us how you really feel!  ;-)

:-)

I thought that I pretty well summed it up!

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John Navas - 27 Jun 2003 19:20 GMT
>>Don't hold back, John (aka sexyexotiche), tell us how you really feel!  ;-)
>
>:-)
>
>I thought that I pretty well summed it up!

Darn.

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Mark W. Oots - 27 Jun 2003 23:45 GMT
Since 100% of Cingulars network covers about 40% of the land mass of the
contiguous 48 states.....What the......?????     Most of North America will
not have any GSM for a long time. Cingular's Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan,
Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky systems are already GSM-over-TDMA and only about
35% of the great Lakes area is covered at all. ATT, TMO et al are using far
more Cingular towers than the other way around. Here in Illinois those areas
not in Cingular Land that have GSM on TMO and ATT are; a small area around
the Quad Cities,  Peoria to Galesburg along I-74, along I-90 through
Rockford up into S Beloit and a small stretch of I-74 east of Champaign. I
have property about 2 hours west of Chicago in Lee County and the only
carries there are Verizon (B band) and US Cellular (A band) both CDMA and
neither of which will ever be GSM.  If you fly from place to place, GSM will
be fine. If you drive across several states, especially west of the
Mississippi, go with GAIT. At no time will 90% of the US be
GSM....ever.....only about that much has  wireless coverage of ANY kind.
Consider this. The biggest players are; Verizon, Cingular, ATTWS, Sprint and
T-Mobile. Nearly all of them are present (at least 3 and usually 4 of the 5)
in all big markets (here we have all 5 & US Cellular, too). Most of the land
mass is covered by small operators like RCC ( Rural Cellular Corp) or
Mid-sized ones like US Cellular. Places that have as few people as  western
North Dakota will need big financial help to build much of anything.

Mark
 
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