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kirk - 09 Aug 2004 20:13 GMT Anyone have any experience with them? Good or bad?
TIA William
R.M - 10 Aug 2004 14:57 GMT > Anyone have any experience with them? Good or bad? > > TIA > William I've used it on both T-Mobile and Cingular. As far as Cingular, the best place for help is right here on this form. Few Customer Service people have a clue about GPRS or EDGE. Cingular support's both GPRS and EDGE. On Edge I have seen speed up to 200k, but because I'm in an area that supposably doesn't support EDGE yet, so its not stable. With GPRS you will typically see speed at about 44k to 60k. I am on a Package called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month. Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access, but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA. The promo I signed up on advertised "Media Works" for a limited time and the ad claimed the offer expired on July 31(I think). However, I think they did this so they have a way out just incase their networks became overwhelmed. I think you can still get the package. Compared to T-mobile, Cingular is faster, however people at T-mobile seemed to know what they where talking about when you need help. Looking back at Cingular you can see where they have GPRS and EDGE coverage by taking a look at this map http://www.cingular.com/download/Gprs-Edge_07_29.pdf . If you have any more question, just send us a post and I'm sure someone will help you.
Scott en Aztlan - 10 Aug 2004 18:12 GMT >I am on a Package >called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month. > Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access, >but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA. One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur... OTOH, this is what stopped me from defecting over to T-Mobile, who also offers unlimited GPRS Internet for $19.95/month. I can always follow through with my defection plans if Cingular decides to make detrimental changes... ;)
>The promo >I signed up on advertised "Media Works" for a limited time and the ad >claimed the offer expired on July 31(I think). However, I think they did >this so they have a way out just incase their networks became >overwhelmed. I think you can still get the package. Indeed you can - I just signed up for it today. In fact, I'm using it to reply to your post. ;)
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R.M - 10 Aug 2004 18:44 GMT > One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they > will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur... OTOH, this > is what stopped me from defecting over to T-Mobile, who also offers > unlimited GPRS Internet for $19.95/month. I can always follow through > with my defection plans if Cingular decides to make detrimental > changes... ;) Actually, I don't think this will happen(I hope), but I have been wrong before. The reason Cingular came out with the "Media Works" package was to compete with T-mobile Unlimited Package and Sprint upcoming unlimited data plan(not yet available as faw as I know). If anything, I think they will expand their unlimited data plan to isp.cingular. Back when T-mobile first offered unlimited data it was only for the Danger Sidekicks. Later they included the Trio PDA and shortly after that they open it for everyone. Cinuglar could be doing the same to make sure they don't overload their network. Again this is all speculative so it could go either way. I will say this, if they did stop it, I WILL break my contract with cingular to move back to T-mobile. Just last month I download 200mb of data and if I remember right that would have cost well over $100 just for the data. I just use it way too much.
> Indeed you can - I just signed up for it today. In fact, I'm using it > to reply to your post. ;) Cool deal!!
John Navas - 10 Aug 2004 18:45 GMT >>I am on a Package >>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they >will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur... ATTWS has equally tenuous restrictions on and thus likely loopholes in its "unlimited" data plans:
* $25/mo for phone device only ($.001 per KB for connected devices)
* $50/mo for PDA (or Blackberry) only
* $80/mo for PDA and laptop (req. for UMTS)
As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell the difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and laptop, all of which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
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John Navas - 10 Aug 2004 18:45 GMT >>I am on a Package >>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they >will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur... ATTWS has equally tenuous restrictions on and thus likely loopholes in its "unlimited" data plans:
* $25/mo for phone device only ($.001 per KB for connected devices)
* $50/mo for PDA (or Blackberry) only
* $80/mo for PDA and laptop (req. for UMTS)
As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell the difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and laptop, all of which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
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John Navas - 30 Aug 2004 00:11 GMT >>>I am on a Package >>>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and laptop, all of >which are capable of the same types of Internet usage. I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control. :(
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Trey - 30 Aug 2004 00:23 GMT > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control. > :( What about a Bluetooth phone? you can connect to the intrenet through the phone via BT. Not sure how the language in teh contract is worded in that area.
John Navas - 30 Aug 2004 18:10 GMT >>> As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell >>> the difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >phone via BT. Not sure how the language in teh contract is worded in that >area. Quite clear it's prohibited, and easily tracked by the carrier, since only an ATTWS-provided handset can be used.
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Gunnar H Reichert-Weygold - 30 Aug 2004 20:52 GMT > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Quite clear it's prohibited, and easily tracked by the carrier, since only an > ATTWS-provided handset can be used. I use a T637 BTT and connect with my PowerBook. I told the rep this when I signed up and that the MediaWorks package would serve well for this.
His answer: ok.
When I look at my bill, it show the data transferred. I t is obvious that no phone is going to transfer that many MB's on a weekend night. I was picking up email from the coffee shop, and cruising the text/Avantgo versions of news web sites.
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John Navas - 31 Aug 2004 23:55 GMT >>>>> As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell >>>>> the difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >signed up and that the MediaWorks package would serve well for this. >[SNIP] Media Works is Cingular. The thread above applies to ATTWS.
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John Navas - 30 Aug 2004 23:45 GMT >>>>I am on a Package >>>>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an >ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control. :( Well, that's not right either -- I was confusing the consumer "mMode" (consumer data) "unlimited" plan with business "Mobile Internet" (business data) "unlimited" plans. (ATTWS reps concede that the plans and the website are confusing.)
<http://www.attwireless.com/global/content/popup_mmode_terms.jhtml> Consumer "mMode" "unlimited" ($25/month) is *not* limited to ATTWS-provided devices and does include UMTS, but costs extra with a "connected" device (e.g., laptop), although it's hard to see how ATTWS could actually police that (other than by monitoring usage), as I noted earlier.
<http://www.attwireless.com/global/business/plans/popup_mobileinternet_terms_b2b.jhtml Business "Mobile Internet" "unlimited" *is* limited to ATTWS-provided handsets and ATTWS-certified PDAs, and UMTS is only available at the $80/month level. The $25/month Unlimited Handset Plan, same price as the consumer plan, again costs extra with a "connected" device (e.g., laptop). ATTWS could obviously police the use of "connected" since it provides the handsets.
There also a ton of restrictions on use in all these ATTWS plans that seem to boil down to, "We reserve the right to terminate your service if you make too much use of it ('unlimited' notwithstanding)." Thus the simple T-Mobile Unlimited plans <http://www.t-mobile.com/plans/default.asp?tab=internet> ($20/month added to a voice plan, $30/month standalone) look much more attractive. There's also unlimited T-Mobile HotSpot for $20/month on a voice plan.
While checking this all out I had an interesting debate with a "data specialist" who first told me that ATTWS would *only* sell service for ATTWS-provided devices as a matter "policy" and (after conferring with a "Supervisor") that she would therefore refuse to enter an order since I'm using my own non-ATTWS Sony Ericsson Z600 handset, but backed down (after conferring again with a "supervisor") and offered to try it when I pointed out that ATTWS knowingly sold me service for that very handset, that no such policy is documented in my Service Agreement, and that such an undocumented restriction might constitute an unethical business practice.
Although I've generally had good to very good experience with ATTWS customer service, this was a big exception -- it took me at least a dozen tries to get past dropped and misrouted calls to someone that would take ownership, and even then it took another 20 minutes to get good answers. She confessed that things were a "bit chaotic given the merger" and apologized several times. So persistence paid off, and all's well that end's well.
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R.M - 10 Aug 2004 15:01 GMT Woops, I read the subjet as "Internet Wireless" and not "Intelnet Wireless". Owe well maybe someone will get some inforamtion out of my other post. I'll read more closely next time :-b
> Anyone have any experience with them? Good or bad? > > TIA > William Ralph Blach - 11 Aug 2004 01:11 GMT Kirk,
I use a nokia 6200 and the wireless internet program that cingular provide for my laptop
Works fine. You just have to will to pay the cost.
Chip
> Anyone have any experience with them? Good or bad? > > TIA > William
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