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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Cingular / October 2004Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?
Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los Angeles market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion that it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure. (It could be Verizon too, though. But given that Verizon has stopped building out analog and given that they have almost no analog capacity in this part of SBD County, I'm pretty sure it's *not* Verizon.) Also, I was curious if there are any Cingular customers posting to the Cingular newsgroup from the Apple Valley or Victorville, CA. Specifically, I'm curious about Cingular coverage between National Trails Highway (old US 66) and US 395 on Air Expressway.  SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the > Los Angeles market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Specifically, I'm curious about Cingular coverage between National > Trails Highway (old US 66) and US 395 on Air Expressway. Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California. >>Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the >>Los Angeles market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California. I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as Pac Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system. According to Andrew Shepherd's maps, ATTWS is the A-side carrier in San Bernardino County and Verizon is the B-side carrier. Have you received an analog signal (or a digital roam 800CDMA signal) in the places you mention? Can you put your phone in field debug mode to reveal a SID number? Or call 611 and see who answers? SignatureFrank Harris in San Francisco with an A680 >> Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California. > > I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as Pac > Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system. Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up analog towers too, for roamers. > According to Andrew Shepherd's maps, ATTWS is the A-side carrier in San > Bernardino County and Verizon is the B-side carrier. That'd be correct. > Have you received an analog signal (or a digital roam 800CDMA signal) in > the places you mention? Can you put your phone in field debug mode to > reveal a SID number? Or call 611 and see who answers? Well, in the area I referred to I have basically no digital signal, from Air Expressway just east of Village Drive down to old Route 66 (National Trails Highway) down into Victorville's Old Town neighborhood, D Street just past I-15. I don't have problems elsewhere, and can use my Sprint phone at my house out on the edge of town where my Verizon phone was basically unusable. Out on the eastern part of Air Expressway, there's nothing... no houses, no businesses, nothing except a junkyard, so I suspect that Sprint has little incentive to put a tower there. But my father-in-law's T-Mobile phone works, and he'd be using Cingular towers if he's using his phone here in California. (Of course, he's not using the phone in analog.) I have Fair & Flexible, but I'd need to pay the additional five bucks per month for F&F America in order to not pay roaming charges; right now if I try to make an analog call I get charged 50c/minute, so I'm not real keen on experimentation :) SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. >Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up >analog towers too, for roamers. I don't think there's much of a business case for putting up towers just to serve roaming customers. Roaming business only makes sense when the towers first serve your own customers and then *also* serve roaming customers for an additional fee. jc >>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up >>analog towers too, for roamers. > > I don't think there's much of a business case for putting up towers > just to serve roaming customers. Used to be big business; may or may not be as much of an issue now. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. >>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from >putting up [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >when the towers first serve your own customers and then *also* serve >roaming customers for an additional fee. If Cingular in CA is only 1900MHz, then they cannot provide analog, since there is no analog on the PCS band. Only digital of one flavor or another. When they merge with AT&T Wireless, then the combined company will have 850MHz (cellular band) service. > >>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from <snip> > If Cingular in CA is only 1900MHz, then they cannot provide analog, since > there is no analog on the PCS band. Only digital of one flavor or another. > When they merge with AT&T Wireless, then the combined company will have > 850MHz (cellular band) service. -->AT&T has the "A" band spectrum for most of So Cal, which Cingular now has. Scotty >> If Cingular in CA is only 1900MHz, then they cannot provide analog, since >> there is no analog on the PCS band. Only digital of one flavor or another. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >-->AT&T has the "A" band spectrum for most of So Cal, which Cingular now >has. Cingular should have soon, but not yet. SignatureBest regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES: John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular There are at least two carriers who have set up cell sites with no other use than to serve roamers. Western Wireless provides CDMA digital to all their own new customers. They also maintain TDMA for old customers and TDMA roamers. Recently they added GSM service at both 1900 MHz and 850 MHz. Also, they are now adding CDMA at 1900 MHz for Sprint PCS roaming customers with single-band phones. Commnet Wireless does not have any of their own customers. They have set up TDMA, GSM and analog sites strictly to serve roamers, and are still expanding. > I don't think there's much of a business case for putting up towers > just to serve roaming customers. Roaming business only makes sense > when the towers first serve your own customers and then *also* serve > roaming customers for an additional fee. Zeno, On-Star has contracts with many carriers across the country, and that includes both cellular carriers in Florida, Alltel, AT&T, Cingular, and others. On-Star customers have the advantage of an external vehicle antenna, and those who still have analog (all pre-2004), have higher-power units. So they have a MUCH better chance of making contact in analog. >So "On-Star" works in digital mode in Florida, since Verizon does not >have any anlog in Florida, its all 1900 Mhz PCS there??? And if one has >a car that only has analog On-Star, does it not work in Florida at >all??? >> I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as Pac >> Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system. > >Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up >analog towers too, for roamers. Uh, Steve it sure does if they don't have that spectrum assigned to them. Perhaps when they become one with AT&T Wireless that will be a different story. However, we are dealing with the here and now not what may be a year or two from now. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Uh, Steve it sure does if they don't have that spectrum assigned to > them. *blink* Yeah, that would be a problem, wouldn't it. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. >>> Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up >analog towers too, for roamers. Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum. SignatureBest regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES: John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular >[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] > >>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up >>analog towers too, for roamers. > >Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum. Actually, it doesn't. Cingular could put up an analog tower for roamers, but the FCC would order them to take it down or stop using it. But even that really wouldn't stop them if they just put a Maginot Line around the tower and were determined to defy the FCC. > Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum. Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence... SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. >> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum. > >Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850, >isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence... And does not exist with Cingular in California, where it has only 1900 MHz spectrum. SignatureBest regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES: John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular >> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum. > > Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it > is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence... And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. How exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range of frequencies instead of just 800? **SJS SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. >>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range >of frequencies instead of just 800? It's a range of frequencies, the same frequencies for TDMA/AMPS 800 as for GSM 850. See <http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/spectrum/frequencies.shtml> SignatureBest regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES: John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular >>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range >of frequencies instead of just 800? It's not 800 or 850 in reality. It is frequencies *around* 800 Mhz for sending and receiving. It isn't exactly 800 Mhz nor is it exactly 850 either. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >It's not 800 or 850 in reality. It is frequencies *around* 800 Mhz >for sending and receiving. It isn't exactly 800 Mhz nor is it exactly >850 either. Actually it is 824 to 896. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net d[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] >>It's not 800 or 850 in reality. It is frequencies *around* 800 Mhz >>for sending and receiving. It isn't exactly 800 Mhz nor is it exactly >>850 either. > >Actually it is 824 to 896. Or more precisely: 824-849 MHz paired with 869-894 MHz. SignatureBest regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES: John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular >And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. >How >exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start >handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a >range >of frequencies instead of just 800? Well, actually there are 2 800MHz carriers. They are the original cellular carriers, a wireline company and a non-wireline company. That's it!!!! Do NOT confuse the issue with 850. For some reason someone along the way started calling the 800MHz cellular frequencies 850. A BIG mistake in my estimation - but they didn't come ask me. This variation is what is causing the confusion. 800 is the legal name of the frequency spectrum and 850 is the nick name. Using an old saying - A Rose is a Rose by any other name. 800 is a 850 by another name. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >Do NOT confuse the issue with 850. For some reason someone along the way >started calling the 800MHz cellular frequencies 850. A BIG mistake in my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >an old saying - A Rose is a Rose by any other name. 800 is a 850 by another >name. Actually 800 is the "legal" name for TDMA, and 850 is the "legal" name for GSM, different probably to minimize confusing GSM service with TDMA service. SignatureBest regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES: John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular >> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum. > >Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850, >isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence... GSM 850 is what is referred to as 800 for other technologies such as TDMA, CDMA and analog AMPS. For whatever reason when they use the same frequencies with GSM they call it 850. Go figure. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >TDMA, CDMA and analog AMPS. For whatever reason when they use the >same frequencies with GSM they call it 850. Go figure. Probably to minimize confusion between TDMA and GSM. SignatureBest regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES: John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular > For whatever reason when they use the >>same frequencies with GSM they call it 850. Go figure. > >Probably to minimize confusion between TDMA and GSM. Probably some marketeers bad dream. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >> For whatever reason when they use the >>>same frequencies with GSM they call it 850. Go figure. >> >>Probably to minimize confusion between TDMA and GSM. > >Probably some marketeers bad dream. I think it was probably done by technical people. SignatureBest regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES: John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular >Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los Angeles >market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion that >it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure. San Bernardino? Absolutely not possible that it's cingular considering that cingular in California was the successor to Pacific Bell PCS a *GSM* operator. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los Angeles >>market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > considering that cingular in California was the successor to Pacific > Bell PCS a *GSM* operator. You're right, although that doesn't preclude them putting up analog towers for roamers. Verizon's high level of suckage here in the Victor Valley leads me to believe it's not Verizon. Since I had to switch my Verizon phone to analog pretty often to make calls from my house, and on at least half the calls I got fast busy signals, I already know that their analog capacity is basically nonexistent. I guess it would have to be ATTWS then... SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. Steve, It isn't Cingular. They aren't analog in CA. If you have the latest PRL, 10025, your phone will search for Verizon digital first, then Verizon analog. Previous PRL's would have either found AT&T analog eventually, or may have searched for AT&T analog first. AT&T is not in 10025. Bill Radio Click for Western U.S. Wireless Reviews at: http://www.mountainwireless.com > Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los Angeles > market, specifically in San Bernardino County? > Steve, > It isn't Cingular. They aren't analog in CA. > > If you have the latest PRL, 10025, your phone will search for Verizon > digital first, then Verizon analog. Well, Verizon digital works on that side of Middle Of Nowheresville... just not real well (ok, not at all) in my corner of town. Maybe I should pay the extra money and have usable service heading out towards Adelanto... **SJS (making a mental note to call and have my phone flagged for a PRL update) SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. Steve, First of all like others have said it is not Cingular. They have no licenses to put up any analog coverage and have never used analog here in CA or NV. Sprint's one and only roaming partner for San Bernardino County is the same as it is for all of So. California. It's Verizon. AT&T has never been useable (without a credit card) as there have never been any roaming agreements between them & Sprint here in So. Cal. > Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los Angeles > market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > about Cingular coverage between National Trails Highway (old US 66) and US 395 > on Air Expressway. Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star" It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime. . >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star" >It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the >beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime. From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware: In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment. SignatureBest regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES: John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through > dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment. This affects Sobol's service TODAY how? >> >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on >> >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star" [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >This affects Sobol's service TODAY how? My point was that those "two MAJOR customers" have no bearing on the availability of AMPS (analog) service. SignatureBest regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES: John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > My point was that those "two MAJOR customers" have no bearing on the > availability of AMPS (analog) service. Today or in 2008 ? >> >> >Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on >> >> >Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star" [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Today or in 2008 ? At any time. SignatureBest regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES: John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > At any time. So you didnt answer the question then. How does it affect it now? >> At any time. > >So you didnt answer the question then. ... Actually I did. SignatureBest regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES: John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular >Today or in 2008 ? Take your pick..... -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net > This affects Sobol's service TODAY how? Doesn't at all today, since my phone is set to Sprint-only. :) I'm speculating on whether I could benefit from roaming in the particular section of Victorville where Sprint doesn't have a tower. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on > Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star" > It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the > beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime. But it's not. Pissed me off big time, too - my house was a little too far from the tower to reliably get a digital signal but analog worked fine... but a majority of analog calls wouldn't go through anyhow, I assume due to lack of capacity - I constantly got fast busy signals. The phone could acquire the analog carrier with no problems, I just couldn't make a call. I hope no one tries to make an On-Star call from my neighborhood. I only got through in analog maybe on time out of every three or four. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on > Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star" > It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the > beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime. So "On-Star" works in digital mode in Florida, since Verizon does not have any anlog in Florida, its all 1900 Mhz PCS there??? And if one has a car that only has analog On-Star, does it not work in Florida at all??? Curious... >>Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on >>Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a car that only has analog On-Star, does it not work in Florida at > all??? Curious... OnStar has agreements with lots of analog carriers, so in Florida they probably work on some 800MHz carrier other than Verizon, such as ATTWS, Alltel, or Cingular. SignatureFrank Harris in San Francisco with an A680 |
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