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NOKIA 6800 or MOTOROLA V60i ?

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Roy Beames - 26 Aug 2003 21:23 GMT
I want a new phone , can I get your thoughts on these 2 phones. I know the
obvious on the Nokia TEXT messaging is much easier But I never have used
either ...
Also I am with Cingular right now but am considering AT&T Wireless here in
Southern Indiana.

Please respond both to the newsgroups & my

Roy Beames
E-Mail   yor1960@yahoo.com
Georg Ten Brouck - 26 Aug 2003 22:24 GMT
>I want a new phone , can I get your thoughts on these 2 phones. I know the
>obvious on the Nokia TEXT messaging is much easier But I never have used
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Please respond both to the newsgroups & my

Both of those stink.

The only good phones being sold by Cingular (on the West Coast) are:

Nokia 3600
Sony Ericsson T616
Samsun S307
Motorola T720

In Evansville, IL (where your ISP is located), they also have the Nokia
6340i, which is a great phone.
0?0 - 16 Oct 2003 21:03 GMT
the v60i and its predecessor hte v60 have the same weakness... that little
stubby antenna tends to snap off... and that is not covered by warranty..
insurance will cover it at a 35 bux deductable

nokia in this case is a better choice... the 6800 is GSM/GPRS while the v60
is TDMA

> I want a new phone , can I get your thoughts on these 2 phones. I know the
> obvious on the Nokia TEXT messaging is much easier But I never have used
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Roy Beames
> E-Mail   yor1960@yahoo.com
D.J. Osborn - 17 Oct 2003 00:37 GMT
> the v60i and its predecessor hte v60 have the same weakness... that little
> stubby antenna tends to snap off... and that is not covered by warranty..
> insurance will cover it at a 35 bux deductable

My v60i antenna has never snapped off (nor have the antennas on the v60i
phones of my other family members). If it does, then I'll just go to Radio
Shack and get a new antenna for about $10.00.

> nokia in this case is a better choice... the 6800 is GSM/GPRS while the v60
> is TDMA

I've read rpeorts that the Nokias' performance on CDMA is somewhat lacking,
and so--based upon our excellent experiences with the v60i phones--I'd
definitely recommend it for anyone.
--
D.J., N8DO; FMCA 147762
davidjosborn at sbcglobal dot net
Mark. - 17 Oct 2003 13:09 GMT
> > nokia in this case is a better choice... the 6800 is GSM/GPRS while the
> v60
> > is TDMA

> I've read rpeorts that the Nokias' performance on CDMA is somewhat lacking,

GSM/GPRS is not CDMA technology. However, GSM is superior to TDMA in my
opinion.
NRG - 18 Oct 2003 19:13 GMT
You just have to think you have to choose a Ferrari(Nokia) or a
Toyota(Motorola). What do you choose? NOKIA is superior in ANY way from
Motorola.It has tradition on making mobile phones :)         !>>this is my
personal opinion<<!

> > > nokia in this case is a better choice... the 6800 is GSM/GPRS while the
> > v60
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> GSM/GPRS is not CDMA technology. However, GSM is superior to TDMA in my
> opinion.
Al Klein - 21 Oct 2003 01:46 GMT
>You just have to think you have to choose a Ferrari(Nokia) or a
>Toyota(Motorola). What do you choose? NOKIA is superior in ANY way from
>Motorola.

Except in CDMA.
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Martin Crosbie - 21 Oct 2003 02:48 GMT
> >You just have to think you have to choose a Ferrari(Nokia) or a
> >Toyota(Motorola). What do you choose? NOKIA is superior in ANY way from
> >Motorola.
>
> Except in CDMA.

Motorola has often being accused of being the largest supplier in the US,
but fairing badly in the rest of the world. for nokia, it's the other way
around. GSM is the dominant technology Globally, but the US is hanging on to
half a dozen other networks in an attempt to keep some coverage. The US has
a worse cellular coverage than the UK has broadband coverage.

The choice often comes down to where you live, and so what networks are
available. if you must go CDMA/TDMA, you might get better performance with a
Moto, otherwise go nokia and GSM.

Martin Crosbie
John S. - 21 Oct 2003 11:48 GMT
>Motorola has often being accused of being the largest supplier in the US,
>but fairing badly in the rest of the world.

It is a false accusation!

Nokia outsells Motorola by a large margin here in the USA as well as the rest
of the world.

--
John S.
e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
Al Klein - 22 Oct 2003 03:24 GMT
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:48:36 +0100, "Martin Crosbie"
<MartincrosbieDONTBOTHER@vodafone.net> posted in
alt.cellular.motorola:

>The choice often comes down to where you live, and so what networks are
>available. if you must go CDMA/TDMA, you might get better performance with a
>Moto, otherwise go nokia and GSM.

GSM currently has very little coverage in the US.
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Martin Crosbie - 23 Oct 2003 04:41 GMT
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:48:36 +0100, "Martin Crosbie"
> <MartincrosbieDONTBOTHER@vodafone.net> posted in
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> GSM currently has very little coverage in the US.

But GSM has the vast majority of coverage in the rest of the world.

My point above is that if you can go GSM, if your locality is covered by the
GSM net, then go for nokia, but if you have to go with other technologies,
then the Motorola is probably the better option.

Martin Crosbie
John S. - 21 Oct 2003 11:46 GMT
>Except in CDMA.

Actually I have had excellent luck with CDMA and Nokia. I had several 6185's
and they all worked flawlessly for years.

My son's girlfreind has a Nokia 3585i and it seems to be working just fine too!
A co worker just got one this weekend and so far is hapy with it. Admittadly,
he hasn't a lot of experience with it just yet.

--
John S.
e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
jerry - 19 Oct 2003 03:38 GMT
"0¿0" <not@all.likely> wrote in message news:<CQCjb.15608$M71.417916@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>...
> the v60i and its predecessor hte v60 have the same weakness... that little
> stubby antenna tends to snap off... and that is not covered by warranty..
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> > Roy Beames
> > E-Mail   yor1960@yahoo.com

never have broken ant on my v60i.
Tim Smoot - 24 Oct 2003 13:50 GMT
I live in southern Michigan. I have AT&T they are the worst wireless company
I ever had. They lost a lot of towers that they had so now my phone doesn't
work is a lot of areas that it worked in before. I tried to get out of my
contract because I can't use my phone in the areas that I work in. They will
only let me out if I pay the 175.00 cancellation fee. It hardly seems fair
if the coverage area is smaller that I still have to pay the cancellation
fee.  AT&T says they can change the coverage area any time.
Also many time when I try to call out the network is to busy to make a call.
A lot of time when someone tries to call me the phone never rings and goes
directly to voice mail or it tells them that I am not answering my phone.
Ever time I call customer service I get the run around. I spend hours every
week talking to them trying to resolve these problems.
But they never fix and of them.
> I want a new phone , can I get your thoughts on these 2 phones. I know the
> obvious on the Nokia TEXT messaging is much easier But I never have used
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Roy Beames
> E-Mail   yor1960@yahoo.com
Jer - 24 Oct 2003 14:45 GMT
> I live in southern Michigan. I have AT&T they are the worst wireless company
> I ever had. They lost a lot of towers that they had ...

Their maps don't work too good for them either, huh?

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Martin Crosbie - 24 Oct 2003 15:10 GMT
> I live in southern Michigan. I have AT&T they are the worst wireless company
> I ever had. They lost a lot of towers that they had so now my phone doesn't
> work is a lot of areas that it worked in before.

How can they lose towers? The US network is poor as it is, so why on earth
would they reduce their coverage? it makes no sense. is it common for
service areas to change like this?

Martin Crosbie
Tim Smoot - 24 Oct 2003 16:35 GMT
They were leasing towers from other companies. When the least ran out the
company would not release them the towers.

> > I live in southern Michigan. I have AT&T they are the worst wireless
> company
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Martin Crosbie
Tim Smoot - 24 Oct 2003 21:35 GMT
Good news, They finally let me out of my contract and I don't have to pay
the 175.00 fee.
I am going with Alltel they have great coverage in Michigan.
They also have good deals for there national plan.

> They were leasing towers from other companies. When the least ran out the
> company would not release them the towers.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> >
> > Martin Crosbie
Al Klein - 25 Oct 2003 20:44 GMT
>Good news, They finally let me out of my contract and I don't have to pay
>the 175.00 fee.

Ignore my previous post. :)

And congratulations.
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bg - 24 Oct 2003 17:49 GMT
I have the local TDMA Digital Advantage here in Tennessee. We're getting all
circuits busy here, too and GSM in this area is not yet fully functional. I
think we have fewer channels here, too. It used to better. We may switch
after our commit time is up.

-Bud
Al Klein - 25 Oct 2003 20:43 GMT
>I live in southern Michigan. I have AT&T they are the worst wireless company
>I ever had. They lost a lot of towers that they had so now my phone doesn't
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>if the coverage area is smaller that I still have to pay the cancellation
>fee.  AT&T says they can change the coverage area any time.

Does Michigan have a warrantee of marketability?  If it does AT&T may
be violating it for you, and your contract may be void.  (If it's
void, it doesn't exist, so there wouldn't be any fee to "get out of
it".)

>Also many time when I try to call out the network is to busy to make a call.

There's nothing we can do about that.  There's no guarantee of time of
service.

>A lot of time when someone tries to call me the phone never rings and goes
>directly to voice mail or it tells them that I am not answering my phone.

Same problem - no more slots available in any cell you can reach.

>Ever time I call customer service I get the run around. I spend hours every
>week talking to them trying to resolve these problems.

The only legitimate problem you've posted is the change in coverage.
Check your state out for a warrantee of marketability.  Check with
your state Attorney General's office.
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