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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Cingular / May 2005difficult reception area
Does anyone here, by chance, live in Manhattan, facing the HUdson River. I live in the 90s and on VZ, I pick up a Jersey City Cell site which really just isn't strong enough for the distance. Of course there are several VZ sites geographically nearer to me .... but I have the misfortune to be picking up that cell site. I'm womdering whether Cingular has a more appropriately located cell site for me. Louise You can go to a Cingular store and based on your street address they can tell you where the nearest tower is. > Does anyone here, by chance, live in Manhattan, facing the HUdson River. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Louise > You can go to a Cingular store and based on your street address they can > tell you where the nearest tower is. You ARE kidding right? Most people in the local stores have no idea how cellular works, let alone where the local towers are located. I have talked to people in the two local stores out here where I live and although in both instances they can see the "local" tower out their business window, they have no idea where it is. In bigger cities it is even worse. And as the cell companies share towers and own fewer and fewer themselves, it will only get even worse (if that is possible). As far as i know, the people in Cingular stores have access to an application that pin points tower locations. It's not something that we have access to on the Net. >> You can go to a Cingular store and based on your street address they can >> tell you where the nearest tower is. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > and own fewer and fewer themselves, it will only get even worse (if that > is possible). > As far as i know, the people in Cingular stores have access to an > application that pin points tower locations. You are right on that. They can even tell you which ones were erected by Cingular, and which ones were purchased by ATT, and which ones are GSM, but not on the Cingular/ATT network. -Dave >> As far as i know, the people in Cingular stores have access to an >> application that pin points tower locations. > >You are right on that. They can even tell you which ones were erected by >Cingular, and which ones were purchased by ATT, and which ones are GSM, but >not on the Cingular/ATT network. -Dave Not in the Stroudsburg, PA store (was AT&T), they said they had no way of looking up that information. Worst customer service I have ever experienced in general at that store. A sister store nearby in Mt Pocono is totally different, very helpful but I didn't ask them the tower question. >> As far as i know, the people in Cingular stores have access to an >> application that pin points tower locations. > > You are right on that. They can even tell you which ones were erected by > Cingular, and which ones were purchased by ATT, and which ones are GSM, > but not on the Cingular/ATT network. -Dave Which store??? Address, City and State please! I have never been in any Cingular or AWS store that had this information available. In any state or any city!!! I would like to visit this mythological store. > As far as i know, the people in Cingular stores have access to an > application that pin points tower locations. It's not something that we > have access to on the Net. They don't in the stores either. > Does anyone here, by chance, live in Manhattan, facing the HUdson River. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Louise Cellular phone signals are "Line of Sight" technology. That is they radiate out from the cell site in straight lines. The range is generally from 1/2 mile to 5 miles depending on weather and other influences - YMMV. Cellular reception in the "canyons" of many large cities can be poor for many reasons. 1.) More users in a smaller area, sites tend to be overloaded at peak usage times. 2.) Cellular RF signals don't travel too well through big buildings. 3.) Fewer cell sites in some downtown areas. Few people outside of engineering can tell where the cell cites are located and they wont divulge that kind of information for many reasons. Your best bet is to move around town to where you get the best reception. Funny thing, I had AT&TWS One Rate TDMA plan. I had a client over by the Meadowlands. I could look over and see Manhattan but I had NO coverage any where across the river in Jersey! Chas. > > Does anyone here, by chance, live in Manhattan, facing the HUdson > River. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > located and they wont divulge that kind of information for many > reasons. Nonsense. Tower location maps are in the public domain. > Your best bet is to move around town to where you get the best > reception. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Chas. > Nonsense. Tower location maps are in the public domain. Point to the location that you can find this information. Cellular carriers are not required to disclose the individual site information within their lisenced area. Building roof tops are not disclosed anyplace publicly. Most tower locations now days are on shared towers owned by someone else. In fact, if a tower is under 200' it doesn't even have to be registered with the FAA (with certain exceptions) so a cellular tower under 200' (that might even be owned by a particular carrier) doesn't even need to show up on any data base other than in the engineering department of the individual carrier. You should speak only of what you know. WAIT WAIT..... That would cause you to stop posting! hmmmmmmmmmm that would be a good thing. > > Nonsense. Tower location maps are in the public domain. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > WAIT WAIT..... That would cause you to stop posting! hmmmmmmmmmm that would > be a good thing. http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness/coverage/towermaps.html http://www.t-mobiletowers.com/homeTowers.aspx http://www.nwconline.com/towers.cfm You may apologize now. > > > Nonsense. Tower location maps are in the public domain. > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > You may apologize now. And all towers may be found (with some difficulty) at: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp "Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:jzwick3-> And all towers may be found (with some difficulty) at: > http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp Not true. > "Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:jzwick3-> And > all towers may be found (with some difficulty) at: > > > > http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp > > Not true. Sorry, its true. We're all still waiting for you to apologize. After saying no carrier makes public their Tower information, I proved you wrong. > http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness/coverage/towermaps.html > > http://www.t-mobiletowers.com/homeTowers.aspx > > http://www.nwconline.com/towers.cfm I love the way you snipped that part of the post out. > We're all still waiting for you to apologize. After saying > no carrier makes public their Tower information, I proved > you wrong. This is the internet. There are no apologies on the internet.  SignaturePoseur "That's just kooky talk." --Kramer >> We're all still waiting for you to apologize. After saying >> no carrier makes public their Tower information, I proved >> you wrong. > > This is the internet. There are no apologies on the internet. I wouldn't apologize to that TROLL anyway. I should stop posting to his posts but he is so pathetic and clueless that it is fun to bait him. > >> We're all still waiting for you to apologize. After saying > >> no carrier makes public their Tower information, I proved [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I wouldn't apologize to that TROLL anyway. I should stop posting to his > posts but he is so pathetic and clueless that it is fun to bait him. John was wrong. Here are the links he always omits from his replys. After saying no carrier makes public their Tower information, I proved him wrong. > http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness/coverage/towermaps.html > > http://www.t-mobiletowers.com/homeTowers.aspx > > http://www.nwconline.com/towers.cfm > John was wrong. Here are the links he always omits from his replys. > After saying no carrier [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> http://www.nwconline.com/towers.cfm OK you ignoramus. Show me where it lists the tower that Cingular owns at - N 32 19 28.4 W96 7 14.5 Show me where it shows that Dobson (Cellular 1) is also on that same tower. Show me where it says Sprint is on the tower located at - N32 17 32.9 W96 11 52.3 Show me where it says that the owner is Sprint PCS. Show ME! I can give you thousands of instances where you cannot find the carrier on the towers. I can show you just as many instances where you cannot identify the owner of the tower. So SHOW ME ..................... > > John was wrong. Here are the links he always omits from his replys. > > After saying no carrier [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > So SHOW ME ..................... You said no carrier makes public their tower locations. > http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness/coverage/towermaps.html > > http://www.t-mobiletowers.com/homeTowers.aspx > > http://www.nwconline.com/towers.cfm says different. >You said no carrier makes public their tower locations. I don't believe he did say that. He said this: Cellular carriers are not required to disclose the individual site information within their lisenced area. Building roof tops are not disclosed anyplace publicly. Most tower locations now days are on shared towers owned by someone else. In fact, if a tower is under 200' it doesn't even have to be registered with the FAA (with certain exceptions) so a cellular tower under 200' (that might even be owned by a particular carrier) doesn't even need to show up on any data base other than in the engineering department of the individual carrier. > >You said no carrier makes public their tower locations. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > department of > the individual carrier. Fine but the URL's I listed prove even that VERY wrong, which re never discussed, and merely omitted from his replies. Which strangely you did also, but maybe you are John. > http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness/coverage/towermaps.html > > http://www.t-mobiletowers.com/homeTowers.aspx > > http://www.nwconline.com/towers.cfm >> >You said no carrier makes public their tower locations. >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >> http://www.nwconline.com/towers.cfm Looks like two different statements. I was looking at the first sentence (Cellular carriers are not required...) and overlooked the second (Building roof tops are not disclosed...) which is countered by the links. I've looked at the t-mobile app before and it's pretty slick. In fact it's a bit too conservative. Then again, maybe everyone in this group is either you or John. > > We're all still waiting for you to apologize. After saying > > no carrier makes public their Tower information, I proved > > you wrong. > > This is the internet. There are no apologies on the internet. We're all still waiting for you him apologize. After saying no carrier makes public their Tower information, I proved you wrong. > http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness/coverage/towermaps.html > > http://www.t-mobiletowers.com/homeTowers.aspx > > http://www.nwconline.com/towers.cfm I love the way you snipped that part of the post out. >> "Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:jzwick3-> And >> all towers may be found (with some difficulty) at: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > We're all still waiting for you to apologize. After saying no carrier > makes public their Tower information, I proved you wrong. I looked at the link. Several towers that I know about within 5 miles of my home are not listed. Go away Phillipe! > >> "Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:jzwick3-> And > >> all towers may be found (with some difficulty) at: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I looked at the link. Several towers that I know about within 5 miles of my > home are not listed. Are you sure you're not JOHN Navas. Such childish arogance. Lack of perfection (if one belives you, still leaves you wrong saying cellular carriers don't tell where theii towers are, and of course, you childishly left out the links proving you wrong. We're all still waiting for you to apologize. After saying no carrier makes public their Tower information, I proved you wrong. > http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness/coverage/towermaps.html > > http://www.t-mobiletowers.com/homeTowers.aspx > > http://www.nwconline.com/towers.cfm I love the way you snipped that part of the post out. >> >> "Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:jzwick3-> >> >> And [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Are you sure you're not JOHN Navas. Such childish arogance. I am not John Navas. That's why my signature doesn't say John Navas. No arogance at all. > >> >> "Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:jzwick3-> > >> >> And [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > No arogance at all. But you again snip the proof you were wrong. > http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness/coverage/towermaps.html > > http://www.t-mobiletowers.com/homeTowers.aspx > > http://www.nwconline.com/towers.cfm > Are you sure you're not JOHN Navas. Such childish arogance. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I love the way you snipped that part of the post out. Thank you for showing that the maps are accurate. Otherwise, why would you use them? I will now ask you to refrain from your whining about cellular maps when the subject comes up in the future. You are just an ignorant Troll. This is my last post to ANY message you write. > You are just an ignorant Troll. This is my last post to ANY message you > write. Of course it should be. You were proven wrong. You said cellular carriers dont make public the location of their towers, and I proved you wrong, so you leave out the links proving you wrong, and then call me a troll. > http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness/coverage/towermaps.html > > http://www.t-mobiletowers.com/homeTowers.aspx > > http://www.nwconline.com/towers.cfm Isn't it OBVIOUS I have a size 7 Poop shoot? |
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