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Kevin - 29 Aug 2003 15:25 GMT
James answered me in a post buried in a differnt thread concerning Cingular
National with a multiband phone.  So how much of this no-roaming is due to
shutting down service when signals exist, just not for plan users?

"James " <jamesmh@excite.com> wrote in message
news:vkt6ildngm0d4c@corp.supernews.com...
The Cingular is not like ATTWS Digital one rate, not at all. Cingular
stops the roaming capabilty, where as ATTWS allows you to roam.

There is a big difference in having a signal and not having a signal.

Cingulars answer to no roaming fees is by stopping you being able to
roam. False advertising really.

Sprint Free and Clear America looks pretty good, but I have heard they
pull the same tricks as Cingular, not full roaming capabilty. Where you
can roam with Verizon, SprintPCS can have no signal.
John Navas - 29 Aug 2003 15:59 GMT
>>The Cingular is not like ATTWS Digital one rate, not at all. Cingular
>>stops the roaming capabilty, where as ATTWS allows you to roam.

It all depends on the roaming agreements in place.  ATTWS may have roaming
agreements in places that Cingular doesn't, and vice versa.

>>Cingulars answer to no roaming fees is by stopping you being able to
>>roam. False advertising really.
>>
>>Sprint Free and Clear America looks pretty good, but I have heard they
>>pull the same tricks as Cingular, not full roaming capabilty. Where you
>>can roam with Verizon, SprintPCS can have no signal.

No digital carrier has roaming agreements with *everyone*.  Carriers usually
provide coverage maps to show where you can roam.

>James answered me in a post buried in a differnt thread concerning Cingular
>National with a multiband phone.  So how much of this no-roaming is due to
>shutting down service when signals exist, just not for plan users?

Which network the phone will select depends on how the phone is programmed (on
the SIM) by the carrier.  There are four different modes of GAIT operation:

     * GSM Native Mode: This is where the mobile is homed to a GSM
  network and is operating on a GSM network. In this mode, the mobile
  is able to perform standard GSM type functions including SMS and Data
  services (circuit switched at 9600 or 14400 bps and packet switched
  service if it is offered).

     * ANSI-136 Native Mode: This is where the mobile is homed to an
  ANSI-136 network and is operating on an ANSI-136 network. In this
  mode, the mobile is able to perform standard ANSI-136 functions
  including text messaging using GHOST SMS and Data services (circuit
  switched at 9600 bps).

     * GSM Foreign Mode: This is where the mobile is homed to an
  ANSI-136 network but is operating on a GSM network. At this time, the
  GSM portion of the phone is operational and the network's
  Interworking and Interoperability Function (IIF) handles the call
  delivery and SMS routing from the ANSI-136 network to the serving GSM
  network.

     * ANSI-136 Foreign Mode: This is where a GSM native subscriber is
  accessing an ANSI-136 network. Again, routing of calls and SMS is
  handled by the network's Interworking and Interoperability Function.

In short, a GAIT phone will be "homed" to either GSM or ANSI-136 (TDMA).
Network selection will be based on standard mechanisms in both
technologies.

Suppose that the GAIT phone scans for service and determines that there
are two networks available for selection, an ANSI-136 Neutral system and
a GSM Neutral system. If the PPI (Protocol Priority Indicator) is set to
ANSI-136 Preferred, then the mobile selects the ANSI-136 Neutral system.
Conversely, if the PPI is set to GSM Preferred, then the mobile selects
the GSM Neutral system.

Suppose that the GAIT phone scans for service and determines that there
are two network available for selection, an ANSI-136 Group A (Home)
system and a GSM Group B (Preferred) system.  The mobile selects the
ANSI-136 system even if the signal is better on the GSM system.

Network selection is a function of preferences configured by the
carrier, not signal strength.  It doesn't matter that the signal might
be better on the other technology.

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Best regards,        HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas           <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular

James - 29 Aug 2003 23:11 GMT
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in article
<KTJ3b.16413$dk4.540263@typhoon.sonic.net>:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
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> It all depends on the roaming agreements in place.  ATTWS may have roaming
> agreements in places that Cingular doesn't, and vice versa.

Yes, true.
The problem with Cingular's roaming plans is that they DO have roaming
agreements with AT&T Wireless, they just don't want you to roam to fill
the big holes in Cingulars own coverage.

I have roamed before onto AT&T Wireless with a Cingular TDMA nation plan
for months.

I would like to know if anyone from outside
California/Washington/Idaho/Nevada with a GAIT nation plan is able to
roam onto AT&T TDMA or GSM in these states.
John Navas - 29 Aug 2003 23:31 GMT
>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in article
><KTJ3b.16413$dk4.540263@typhoon.sonic.net>:

>> It all depends on the roaming agreements in place.  ATTWS may have roaming
>> agreements in places that Cingular doesn't, and vice versa.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>California/Washington/Idaho/Nevada with a GAIT nation plan is able to
>roam onto AT&T TDMA or GSM in these states.

My guess is that the GAIT phone would have to be "homed" to TDMA, not GSM.
California GAIT phones would presumably be "homed" to GSM.

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Best regards,        HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas           <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular

Chris Russell - 29 Aug 2003 23:24 GMT
From my originally TDMA Detroit market, I have been able to roam with my
Nokia 6340i everywhere the GAIT nation map says I should get a
signal-except for a 30 mile stretch of I-77 South of I-81.  This phone
is programmed to seek service in this order: Cingular TDMA, GSM, AMPS;
ATTWS TDMA, GSM; T-Mobile GSM; other TDMA carriers; other GSM carriers;
other AMPS carriers.  I deduced this by watching in field-test mode the
selection process in fields 01-01 (GSM or CCCH) and 21-01 (TDMA or DCCH,
AMPS or ACCH).

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Chris

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"Kevin" <kevin.hergert@sba.gov> wrote in article
<binnpd$b7521$1@ID-176791.news.uni-berlin.de>:

> James answered me in a post buried in a differnt thread concerning Cingular
> National with a multiband phone.  So how much of this no-roaming is due to
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> pull the same tricks as Cingular, not full roaming capabilty. Where you
> can roam with Verizon, SprintPCS can have no signal.
 
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