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Which has a better GPS?

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William Bray - 02 Sep 2003 05:27 GMT
I have found that Cingular's new GSM phones and all of Verizon's CDMA
phones have GPS chips in them though the technology behind each group
may vary.  Which E-911 system do you think is better?
John Navas - 02 Sep 2003 05:37 GMT
>I have found that Cingular's new GSM phones and all of Verizon's CDMA
>phones have GPS chips in them though the technology behind each group
>may vary.  Which E-911 system do you think is better?

CDMA has GPS in the base station (for accurate time reference).

What new Cingular GSM phone has a "GPS chip?"

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Rich Brome - 02 Sep 2003 16:23 GMT
wmbray@hotmail.com (William Bray) wrote in article
<vl8729j70r03ce@corp.supernews.com>:
> I have found that Cingular's new GSM phones and all of Verizon's CDMA
> phones have GPS chips in them though the technology behind each group
> may vary.  Which E-911 system do you think is better?

Not sure where you heard that about Cingular's phones. Cingular's E-911
plans have never involved GPS. Certainly none of their current phones
have that kind of technology.

Cingular at one time planned to use E-OTD technology, which does require
special software in the phones. Some phones they currently sell do have
that technology, although it has nothing to do with GPS. But Cingular
has dropped plans to use E-OTD, and they are now going with a technology
that doesn't require anything special in the phones at all.

Most of Sprint and Verizon's CDMA phones do have GPS technology, but
it's not a complete GPS system in the phone. The phone can receive GPS
signals directly from the satellites, but it can only take raw signal
readings, not interpret them and determine location. The phone requires
help from the network to take the readings (it needs to know which
satellites to look for) and the final calculations to determine location
are done by a location server on the network.

The GPS-based technology is more accurate. Cingular's network-side
technology is less accurate, but that's the nature of network-only
technologies. You can only be so accurate without the phone being
actively involved. The FCC recognizes that fact, and their standards are
less strict for network-only technologies.

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William Bray - 02 Sep 2003 23:23 GMT
Very interesting.  Thanks for the feed back.  Rural Telecom is claiming
that the smaller outfits should not to be E-911 compliant.  According to
their argument it has something to do with being able to triangulate via
the towers.  
This sort of helps explain why TDMA and AMPS is not E-911 compliant.
The argument would be that the towers are too far apart to provide an
effective, accurate, triangulation.

I use an older model GSM phone, it lacks any GPS feature.  Yet when I
place a 911 call on I-405 WSP seems to no trouble telling me where I'm
at.  They do this by triangulating my position.  This has led to some
rapid late night rescues.  All Cingular phones, made from 2002 on, are
GPS compliant.    

rXich@phonescoop.com (Rich Brome) wrote in article
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> wmbray@hotmail.com (William Bray) wrote in article
> <vl8729j70r03ce@corp.supernews.com>:
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William Bray - 03 Sep 2003 02:41 GMT
Did some homework since the last post.  www.geometrix9111.com is a good
place to refer to.  Apparently CDMA has chips in the handsets while most
GSM providers have settled for a pure layover at the towers.  This
explains why CDMA is more precise in its positioning.  Also, TDMA and
AMPS are listed for GPS overlay technology.  It would appear that the
real difference is that CDMA phones have a small part of the GPS system
built inside- enhancing their handsets.  It is possible to have any
handset modified in the same way- it will cost you extra.

wmbray@hotmail.com (William Bray) wrote in article
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> Very interesting.  Thanks for the feed back.  Rural Telecom is claiming
> that the smaller outfits should not to be E-911 compliant.  According to
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