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Anyone come to Cingular from Sprint?
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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 24 Jul 2005 20:47 GMT Did anyone here move recently to Cingular from Sprint?
If so, how would you compare the two?
Mij Adyaw - 25 Jul 2005 01:14 GMT Why would anyone make that move? When you have the "best", why switch providers? The only reason that I can think of to make the switch from SprintPCS to Cingular is if your friends and family are on Cingular and therefore you can get free in-network calling.
-mij
> Did anyone here move recently to Cingular from Sprint? > > If so, how would you compare the two? Kevin K - 25 Jul 2005 01:41 GMT > Why would anyone make that move? When you have the "best", why switch > providers? The only reason that I can think of to make the switch from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >> [quoted text muted] How about if Sprint's signal is too weak at home, and one of the reasons for a cell phone is the "free" long distance?
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 25 Jul 2005 02:38 GMT > Why would anyone make that move? When you have the "best", why switch > providers? The only reason that I can think of to make the switch from > SprintPCS to Cingular is if your friends and family are on Cingular and > therefore you can get free in-network calling. Are you saying that in your opinion, Sprint is "the best"?
I'm looking for data to back that up.
Mij Adyaw - 25 Jul 2005 05:20 GMT Sprint has a very good high speed data service and the voice quality is superior to GSM. I have done as side-by-side comparison. You really need to purchase the service the works the best at your home, work, and the location constantly visit. In some cases that may be a provider other than Sprint or Cingular, however, here is Southern California Sprint wins.
-mij
>> Why would anyone make that move? When you have the "best", why switch >> providers? The only reason that I can think of to make the switch from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm looking for data to back that up. Isaiah Beard - 26 Jul 2005 02:57 GMT > Sprint has a very good high speed data service Actually, EDGE is on par with Sprint's current data offering.
> and the voice quality is > superior to GSM. This is also a subjective assessment. Some people swear by GSM and utterly hate the "muddyness" of CDMA's audio. Others (like myself) are quite fond of the dynamic range in CDMA and were a bit put off by the "raspyness" that GSM exhibited in previous years. The vast majority of cell phones users though, either can't tell or simply don't care about the differences in audio performance.
FWIW, I have to assume that GSM has improved their vocoders over time, as the audio I get from my RAZR is quite acceptable. On the other hand, I haven't been AS happy with CDMA ever since Sprint and Verizon switched from 13k QCELP vocoders (which gave the best sound I had EVER heard on ANY phone, even landline) to 8k EVRC vocoders (which can sound passable in most situations but perform REALLY badly on a crowded network).
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Ed Buffey - 25 Jul 2005 11:04 GMT > Why would anyone make that move? When you have the "best", why switch > providers? The only reason that I can think of to make the switch from > SprintPCS to Cingular is if your friends and family are on Cingular and > therefore you can get free in-network calling. > > -mij I used to work for Sprint and had a SprintPCS phone at the time. The customer service at that time was probably the worst in the industry. Since I worked at the headquarters in Kansas City, the lost call rate is significant there.
I've been on Verizon for the past two years. Other than a huge billing error and places in Kansas City where Sprint won't allow other carriers to operate, Verizon was a great choice. I just now switched to Cingular for the roll over.
Isaiah Beard - 26 Jul 2005 02:50 GMT > Why would anyone make that move? I did it, because I wanted to continue to be able to make and receive calls. :)
> When you have the "best", why switch > providers? The "best" is a relative term. Sprint USED to be the best value in my area. Recently that has changed dramatically. While they still offer the best plans for the least money, such plans are of no use to me if the coverage has deteriorated to the point where places where I once had great service now have nonexistent coverage.
> The only reason that I can think of to make the switch from > SprintPCS to Cingular is if your friends and family are on Cingular and > therefore you can get free in-network calling. Oh yes, all my friends are on Sprint. Well scratch that, some WERE on Sprint, but ARE switching with me to Cingular, and the rest are seriously considering it, after experienceing the same problems I have been. :)
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Thurman - 25 Jul 2005 01:54 GMT > Did anyone here move recently to Cingular from Sprint? > > If so, how would you compare the two? I switched 6 weeks ago:
Sprint has better data throughput,
Cingular has better voice coverage.
John Navas - 26 Jul 2005 00:02 GMT >> Did anyone here move recently to Cingular from Sprint? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Cingular has better voice coverage. Here in the San Francisco Bay Area, Cingular has both better data throughput and better voice coverage.
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BrianT - 27 Jul 2005 03:30 GMT I recently switched data plans from Sprint to Cingular and so far Cingular wins, better speed and coverage for were I've used it. If it's important to you, you can use Cingular data in Canada but Sprint data won't work.
>> Did anyone here move recently to Cingular from Sprint? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cingular has better voice coverage. Scott - 25 Jul 2005 02:10 GMT I moved first to AT&T and then to Cingular. I was drawn to the GSM phones which offered more advanced features. The reception in my house is about the same. The reception at my work is better with Cingular. I also occasionally travel and the places I travel have better reception with Cingular.
I tend to change phones every 4-5 months and the SIM card makes it easy.
I also plan on taking a vacation overseas at the beginning of next year and GSM will allow me to use my phone. Sprint does not have that option.
The switch was easy and I am happy with Cingular. I was not displeased with Sprint, just that Cingular had more options for me.
>Did anyone here move recently to Cingular from Sprint? > >If so, how would you compare the two? Spectre - 25 Jul 2005 16:48 GMT I switched from Sprint to Cingular.....And Cingular SUCKS in every way possible..!
The ONLY reason for switching is if you have lot's of CLUELESS friends on the network which I do. Sprint is cheaper, has better voice quality, better signal and MUCH< MUCH better customer service than cingular. Also, Cingulars data service sucks and all they do is try and nickel and dime for every conceivable service. Like I said NO reason to switch unless you have friends on network.
>I moved first to AT&T and then to Cingular. I was drawn to the GSM > phones which offered more advanced features. The reception in my [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >>If so, how would you compare the two? Isaiah Beard - 26 Jul 2005 03:17 GMT > I also plan on taking a vacation overseas at the beginning of next > year and GSM will allow me to use my phone. Sprint does not have that > option. FWIW, Sprint now has a Samsung CDMA/GSM phone that allows international roaming. The only problem is that it's VERY expensive to buy.
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BBB - 27 Jul 2005 11:56 GMT > I tend to change phones every 4-5 months and the SIM card makes it > easy. Hello Scott. Here's a dumb question. Is there only a single SIM card standard? That is, does a Nokia card work on in a Motorola phone? Does a 1 year old SIM card work in a new phone? Etc....
Thanks.
>I moved first to AT&T and then to Cingular. I was drawn to the GSM > phones which offered more advanced features. The reception in my [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >>If so, how would you compare the two? John Navas - 29 Jul 2005 00:00 GMT >> I tend to change phones every 4-5 months and the SIM card makes it >> easy. > >Hello Scott. Here's a dumb question. Is there only a single SIM card >standard? That is, does a Nokia card work on in a Motorola phone? Does a >1 year old SIM card work in a new phone? Etc.... In general, any GSM SIM will "work" in any GSM phone (band issues aside). However, if the phone is locked to a given carrier, then it will only accept SIMs from that carrier. An unlocked phone will accept SIMs from any carrier. The brand of phone is irrelevant.
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Isaiah Beard - 26 Jul 2005 02:46 GMT > Did anyone here move recently to Cingular from Sprint? I just switched voer about two weeks ago. Haven't looked back yet (except I HAVE been waiting with dread for that final Sprint bill).
> If so, how would you compare the two? 1. Coverage is better with Cingular, at least in NJ. Here, Sprint USED to be a consistent 1 to 2 bars just about everywhere, wth decent call quality, but lately things have gone WAY downhill and deadspots are starting to become very frequent. Cingular USED to have very bad here, but using a Motorola RAZR, I've been frequently getting 3 to 5 bars everywhere I've gone.
2. Cingular just revamped the account access website, and it includes call details for the CURRENT billing cycle, listing all calls made and received that haven't been billed yet. It's a level of detail that Sprint never could give. HOWEVER, The minute usage summary portion of the site is usually about 48 hours behind, whereas Sprint's usage summary was almost always up-to-the-minute.
3. Bills are more detailed. The call detail lists the numbers of incoming as well as outgoing calls. Sprint never would do this for me, always citing "privacy reasons." Hell if they were THAT concerned about privacy, then they shouldn't be offering Caller ID.
4. Bluetooth phones that AREN'T crippled. If you want OBEX push on your bluetooth phone, the Cingular handsets will do that. If you want DUN, that's offered too. All of the profiles are there and aren't hindered like on Verizon or Sprint, and there is a greater selection of bluetooth capable phones as well.
5. You have 30 days to try out the service, instead of 14 like on Sprint.
6. Finally, customer service IS better at Cingular than Sprint. Every single rep and agent I've spoken to at Cingular was helpful, and seemed to have have a genuine interest in wanting to help. Not all of them were fully knowledgeable, but the ones that weren't knowledgeable about something were willing to admit it and escalate the issue to someone who DID know the answer. This is a stark contrast from being a fed what may be a BS answer if the rep isn't certain, as often happens on Sprint.
I even had a situation where I had to exchange my phone; the first Motorola RAZR I tried out ended up introducing static into the call once it got warmed up a bit in the middle of a call. The defective phone was swapped out with another new phone on the spot, in store and without any fuss. The replacement phone works wonderfully.
There are some drawbacks though:
1. First and most obvious, your old CDMA phone won't work on Cingular. That means a new phone and most likely new accessories.
2. No unlimited text messaging. There IS a 1,000 text message tier at the same $10 price point as Sprint's unlimited tier. 1,000 might be good for most (and is more than enough for me), but it's still not unlimited, if that sort of thing bothers you.
3. Unlimited data plan is $5 more expensive. However it doesnt' appear that they freak out as much about tethering the phone to your laptop.
4. The base plan is $5 more expensive than the base plan on Sprint, but does offer 150 more anytime minutes.
5. There's just something about the blue and orange color scheme that really irks me. Though it's still way better than the Yellow and Black color scheme that Sprint intends to adopt once the merger with Nextel is complete. :)
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