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RobR - 28 Jul 2005 18:00 GMT
Just wondering how I'd reach these guys?  They're usually the
ones who can cut through the red tape and offer you the
best deals.

My problem is we just moved, and the new house barely
has cell service, my SE and my wife's Samsung are
virtually useless, so after some research on Howard's,
it seems our best solution is to replace our phones with
a Nokia 6620, 6230 or a RAZR.  I called Cingular for pricing
on these, but because we have a 2 years contract
with 8 months remaining, I was told the best they
could offer was $200 each.  It's cheaper for me
to break our contract, pay the $350 and jump on
with Tmobile who will give us two new RAZRs for
free after rebates (and has better coverage at the new place).

I'd prefer to stay with Cingular, I don't mind signing
another contract, but I need to do quite a bit better than
$400 for a pair of phones.  The 611 and 866-CINGULAR
people are useless. Any ideas?  Thanks!
WhosIt - 28 Jul 2005 19:39 GMT
> Just wondering how I'd reach these guys?  They're usually the
> ones who can cut through the red tape and offer you the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> $400 for a pair of phones.  The 611 and 866-CINGULAR
> people are useless. Any ideas?  Thanks!

How sure are you that new phones will solve the problem? With a weak
signal you may only go from virtually useless to only works on the side
of the house facing the tower.
Ted B. - 28 Jul 2005 20:08 GMT
> How sure are you that new phones will solve the problem? With a weak
> signal you may only go from virtually useless to only works on the side of
> the house facing the tower.

That's exactly what I was thinking.  The Nokia models will offer the best
reception, period.  But if reception isn't at least adequate to begin with,
the only solution is to switch to a different cell carrier.  -Dave
nospam@ptd.net - 28 Jul 2005 19:58 GMT
>Just wondering how I'd reach these guys?  They're usually the
>ones who can cut through the red tape and offer you the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>$400 for a pair of phones.  The 611 and 866-CINGULAR
>people are useless. Any ideas?  Thanks!

The RAZR works great but probably not good enough to overcome an
inadequate signal.  You will probably notice fluctuations in signal
strength which is also common if you are not line of sight.

Before you go to all the trouble and expense of getting new phones,
see if you can get someone to come over and check it out for awhile.

You may not have any other choice but switching.

BTW, retention is usually reached from the choices to disconnect
service.
John Navas - 29 Jul 2005 00:23 GMT
>My problem is we just moved, and the new house barely
>has cell service, my SE and my wife's Samsung are
>virtually useless, so after some research on Howard's,
>it seems our best solution is to replace our phones with
>a Nokia 6620, 6230 or a RAZR.  ...

It's doubtful that one of those phones would make a significant difference.
You may need to switch carriers.

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RobR - 29 Jul 2005 03:21 GMT
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
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> difference.
> You may need to switch carriers.

Just an update, I did finally manage to reach retention and they gave me
some
pretty decent options with the guarantee that if they don't work, they can
back
everything out and put us back to where we are now without any cost
(including
back to the ATTWS plan we have now from a Cingular plan).  They did point
out
that our current phone are only operating on one half of their cell system
(the ATT
side) and that by switching phones and plans we'll also be operating off
Cingular
towers as well (I sort of thought GSM was GSM in this case, and that we had
access to both types of towers, but they started saying something about a
32K
SIM card vs. a 64K).  Basically they offered me the 6230 for $39 or a 6620
for
$179 or a RAZR for $199, not amazing, but they did mention they could give a
credit for 1 month of service of any type free with a nod and a wink
suggesting I
pick the most expensive ($299/mo), they give me the $299 credit immediately
then I switch plans to the one I really want in a couple of days ($79 plan)
so
that effectively gives me a free RAZR.  The wife though of course just wants
to elect to take the free v551 they've offered (after mail in rebate), wants
me
to take the $39 6230, take the $220 in additional credit and call it a day.
Of
course if this doesn't work, we're probably screwed anyway, what were we
thinking moving onto an island?!?!?  Cingular pulled up their maps and said
the
nearest tower is 3 miles away with all sorts of crap in between us and the
tower
location on the mainland.  T-Mob is non-existant and local residents tell us
Verizon is BAD and Cingular is the company they've had the best luck with.
Great.
nospam@ptd.net - 29 Jul 2005 14:21 GMT
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>>
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>Verizon is BAD and Cingular is the company they've had the best luck with.
>Great.

There is a HUGE difference if you don't have the 850 band.  I don't
know if your phones have both or not.
John Navas - 29 Jul 2005 15:43 GMT
>There is a HUGE difference if you don't have the 850 band.  I don't
>know if your phones have both or not.

It's only a HUGE difference if there's better 850 signal where you happen to
be.  Here in Northern California, my non-850 phone works just as well as
phones with 850.

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John Navas - 29 Jul 2005 15:42 GMT
>Just an update, I did finally manage to reach retention and they gave me
>some
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>towers as well (I sort of thought GSM was GSM in this case, and that we had
>access to both types of towers,

You are correct -- if they have the proper band coverage, ATTWS (blue)
handsets will roam freely on the Cingular (orange) network.

>but they started saying something about a
>32K
>SIM card vs. a 64K).

That's just for ENS, which allows Cingular to remotely change the Home network
of your phone between ATTWS (blue) and Cingular (orange).  Otherwise, the
phone works no differently from what you have now.

>Of
>course if this doesn't work, we're probably screwed anyway, what were we
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Verizon is BAD and Cingular is the company they've had the best luck with.
>Great.

Consider an external antenna for use in your home and/or your car -- can make
a significant difference.

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Joe - 29 Jul 2005 02:39 GMT
The only way you get them is if you are prepared to switch and pay the price
or have them call your bluff. I had Cingular and switched to Verizon for two
years because of this. I called Cingular before I switched and told them  I
was going to switch if they did not match Verizons offer and they said they
could not, I said ok. The next day when I called back to cancel my service
they were then willing to match Verizon. I said sorry its to late and spent
two years with Verizon. So in my experience if you want the customer
retention department you have to call and say I want to shut my service off
now.
Joe

> Just wondering how I'd reach these guys?  They're usually the
> ones who can cut through the red tape and offer you the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> $400 for a pair of phones.  The 611 and 866-CINGULAR
> people are useless. Any ideas?  Thanks!
RobR - 29 Jul 2005 03:26 GMT
The way I finally got to customer retention was to try 866-CINGULAR
twice and tell the bozos what I wanted.  They gave me crap offers and
said that was the best I'd get, including from customer retention and that
retention couldn't offer me anything additional.  They always ask why you
want to talk to retention then try to avoid connecting you.  The THIRD
time I called, told the CSR I did not like the attitude I got from the first
two CSRs I spoke with and they were doing nothing for me and that
I was going to cancel my service if they didn't put me through.  I was
told 'please hold', then 'I have retention on the line with you, thank you'.
Retention is bending over backwards now to help me, the person I'm
working with is an angel.  Finally!!!!!!

> The only way you get them is if you are prepared to switch and pay the
> price or have them call your bluff. I had Cingular and switched to Verizon
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>> $400 for a pair of phones.  The 611 and 866-CINGULAR
>> people are useless. Any ideas?  Thanks!
 
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