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Not one person interested to help family, Katrina displaced, in Peoria. Option to help a person from NOLA one-on-one; Brainstorm: How can I/You/Me help those people in New Orleans   outside of money, gifts, and prayers

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dr.news - 11 Sep 2005 13:48 GMT
One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru this
newsgroup.   Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a reply, or
offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state of affairs.
I called the shelter, and did what I could.  dr
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"dr.news" <dr.news@better-price.biz.delete-the-obvious> wrote in message
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> Opportunity strikes when you don't expect it:  Larry suggested doing
> something one-on-one.  Well, opportunity knocks.  The Peoria center has
> some NOLA folks, and a number of them have come in looking for cell
> phones.  Some needed a $100-$125 deposit (Nextel/Sprint), and they
> wondered if we could help.
>
> Well, I thought about Larry's suggestion, helping someone one-on-one, with
> communications, aka: cell phone service.  I prefer to not be in the
> middle, but here is a possibility:
> 1) confirm that the person is from NOLA of course
> 2) suggesting that you "talk" to them, and make a personal decision.
> 3) if you agree, we would help the customer setup their electronic billing
> with the carrier of choice, and you could contribute to their bill.  Once,
> or as many times as you like.
> 4) if you want to help them get started, and pay the deposit, that could
> be done as well.
>
> I didn't expect this to come up but it just did.  Which brings me to this
> person from NOLA, staying at a Peoria temporary home.  Her name is Sandra
> M, and if you want to be connected to her, via her temporary home, you
> have the option of picking up her $100 deposit.  Drop me a note if you'd
> like to be connected with her and help.  An opportunity to help one NOLA
> person has now been dropped in your lap.
>
> (Their verizon deposit was $400... so, we tried other carriers...in case
> you wondered)
>
> Or you can kiss this off as a bad idea... dr
>> Peoria, puts their hearts where it belongs.  Expecting 200-2000 people
>> for free housing and care.
>>
>> A Peoria area Baptist church, working with the Red Cross AND the
>> Salvation Army, offered to house 200-2000 people at their facility.  We
>> understand that the offer has been accepted, and they are waiting for
>> confirmation that a large group of people is being air-lifted to the
>> area.  The Baptist church is organizing volunteers, food, accommodation,
>> playground equipment, and dry green grass to play on.  While I can't say
>> how many will be here, the call for volunteers to assist has been made on
>> local media.
>>
>> I guess if we can't get to NOLA, we bring them to us.  Happy to report
>> that so many have come to the aid of those in need.  Not just Peoria, but
>> the global community.  Feels good, doesn't it.   dr
>>
>> PS: I looked at the NOLA forum, and it is outstanding.  It would have
>> been better if someone had set some rules for posting subject lines in a
>> standard format.  But perfect would have been better planning before the
>> storm.
>>> They don't need internet access, we do.  If we published phone
>>> number(s), they call in, and we do the internet.  For sure, internet is
>>> their last concern, but communication is a high concern.  We/you/I take
>>> the call, and we post into the "blog" or whatever it is called.
>>> Keyword, last name, first name.  If you want to pick up a message or
>>> leave a message, you call.  Of course, if you have internet access,
>>> great.
>>>
>>> We need the internet access and a phone.  We publish our service, and do
>>> the transcribe to post, or read if someone asks if they have a message.
>>> I imagine this:
>>>
>>> Carol Williams calls in asking about "bob smith"  We then create a blog
>>> or notes entry called:
>>> Smith, Bob, 555-123-1234: carol williams called you at 10:15am Sunday.
>>> Wanted you to know that your cat/dog were fine and are being cared for
>>> at xxx.xxx.xxxx.  We know you are busy, so we will check in each day to
>>> see if we have made a connect.  Don't worry about your xxxxxx, as we've
>>> already contacted them and are taking care of your xxxxx.  (time/date
>>> stamp)
>>>
>>> I would think this is just "notes", but perhaps what I'm describing is
>>> now called a blog.  dr
>>>
>>> (It is just an idea... no middle man, and anyone who can field a call,
>>> can enter this information.  If it is dumb, I'm okay with that as well.
>>> Just thinking)
>>>> "dr.news" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry, "idea." in 911, they created  a local message board.
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> One problem... How many, of those involved, have Internet access?
>>>>
>>>> Notan
Diamond Dave - 11 Sep 2005 14:34 GMT
I'l already planning on helping a displaced NOLA person (who is a
friend of mine). He's out of NOLA and safe, and might visit me soon
(along with several other of his friends along the way).

We figure each of us friends can house him for a week or so, hopefully
by then he can go back to his apartment (which was spared in the
flooding) - and at the same time have a nice welcomed vacation from
the hell he went through for a week and a half of no electricity or
running water, and no landline or cell phone (he uses Cingular - I
pitty the guy)

Dave

>One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru this
>newsgroup.   Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a reply, or
>offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state of affairs.
>I called the shelter, and did what I could.  dr
Notan - 11 Sep 2005 15:07 GMT
> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru this
> newsgroup.   Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a reply, or
> offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state of affairs.
> I called the shelter, and did what I could.  dr
>
> <snip>

It's just possible that this newgroup's contributors are assisting NOLA
survivors in numerous other ways. One can only hope.

On a side note, wouldn't it be great if the cellular carriers *didn't*
require deposits, etc., and even went as far as providing pre-paid
phones to those involved.

Take care.

Notan
Joseph - 11 Sep 2005 16:38 GMT
>On a side note, wouldn't it be great if the cellular carriers *didn't*
>require deposits, etc., and even went as far as providing pre-paid
>phones to those involved.

T-Mobile is providing all prepaid users with at *least* $50 in their
accounts even if they have exhausted all minutes.

They are also providing a $50 credit to "smart access" customers if
they've gone over their limit.

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nospam - 11 Sep 2005 16:43 GMT
> On a side note, wouldn't it be great if the cellular carriers *didn't*
> require deposits, etc., and even went as far as providing pre-paid
> phones to those involved.

Really.  My cousin tried to get Cingular to swap out his 504 sim for one
based in this area code since he expects to be here for several months and
no one can get through to his 504 number (when I need to talk to him, I
text-msg him, and he calls me back).  Cingular said they'd be happy to sell
him a new phone and plan with a local area code, but he'd have to sign a
1-year contract and continue to pay for it once he's back in New Orleans.
Ben Skversky - 12 Sep 2005 00:55 GMT
I don't believe that for one minute.

>> On a side note, wouldn't it be great if the cellular carriers *didn't*
>> require deposits, etc., and even went as far as providing pre-paid
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> him a new phone and plan with a local area code, but he'd have to sign a
> 1-year contract and continue to pay for it once he's back in New Orleans.
nospam - 12 Sep 2005 02:19 GMT
I'm sorry you don't believe it's true, but it happened.  After the local
store here in Upstate SC said they couldn't help him, he talked to several
levels of customer support about it.  No dice.

I was stunned when he told me what they said since I just assumed they would
bend over backwards to help out.  Up until now, he's been very happy with
Cingular, but he's fairly pissed off with them right now.

> I don't believe that for one minute.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> > him a new phone and plan with a local area code, but he'd have to sign a
> > 1-year contract and continue to pay for it once he's back in New Orleans.
Cliff - 14 Sep 2005 05:33 GMT
I would say that this person must have gone into a retail store and talked
to a sales person who was looking for a little commission.  I guess
commission and compassion kind of sound alike.

Now for the real answer.  Just have your friend call the relocation
department and they will fix him up.  (800-331-0500 and ask the rep for
relocation)

> I'm sorry you don't believe it's true, but it happened.  After the local
> store here in Upstate SC said they couldn't help him, he talked to several
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> > > 1-year contract and continue to pay for it once he's back in New
> Orleans.
nospam - 14 Sep 2005 05:58 GMT
I'll pass it along - thanks for the info!

> I would say that this person must have gone into a retail store and talked
> to a sales person who was looking for a little commission.  I guess
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> > > > 1-year contract and continue to pay for it once he's back in New
> > Orleans.
NotMe - 17 Sep 2005 05:31 GMT
"Ben Skversky"

| >> On a side note, wouldn't it be great if the cellular carriers *didn't*
| >> require deposits, etc., and even went as far as providing pre-paid
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
| > him a new phone and plan with a local area code, but he'd have to sign a
| > 1-year contract and continue to pay for it once he's back in New Orleans.

We had a similar experiance with VZN when the 504 A/C phones would not work
out of area.
Steve Sobol - 12 Sep 2005 01:41 GMT
> It's just possible that this newgroup's contributors are assisting NOLA
> survivors in numerous other ways. One can only hope.

Some of us aren't in a financial position to offer help, or we already would
have.

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Scott - 11 Sep 2005 15:53 GMT
> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru this
> newsgroup.   Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a reply, or
> offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state of affairs.
> I called the shelter, and did what I could.  dr

Great- now a question.  Did you you do it for the right reasons or did you
do it so that you can boast about it here and everywhere else?

The idea is to publicize  the tragedy and assist with the recovery- not to
focus attention on our own acts.
Notan - 11 Sep 2005 16:01 GMT
> > One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru
> this
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> The idea is to publicize  the tragedy and assist with the recovery- not to
> focus attention on our own acts.

I honestly don't thinks dr.'s intention was publicity.

Notan
dr.news - 12 Sep 2005 02:40 GMT
You know, I thought about that.  To avoid an "publicity" about what I did or
didn't do, I just said I did what I could.  The point was still that no one
showed an interest.  It didn't mean that people weren't helping other
people, it just meant what I said: no one replied to this one little post.
Nuff said.  Hard to imagine that someone would take an act of kindness, and
think it self serving.  Larry's story was a happy thought.... and if it
prompts someone else to do something great.  If you think that story was
self-serving as well, then to each his own.

Hard to answer without saying what we do or don't do.  But without any
fanfare, I did contact each of the major carriers, and ask if they can help.
Each said they had their own program going forward, and didn't need our
involvement.  Not one asked for the lady's name.  I guess when you are a
MAJOR, you focus on the big picture; getting your communications back and
running.  Help the Red Cross and stuff like that.  Sometimes it takes you /
me to help that person one-on-one.

Thinking about self-serving.  Harry Chapin (now deceased) used to bring it
up at each of his concerts that he was helping with World Hunger.  He said
how much of his money was going to help them, etc.  Not once did I think
that self-serving, but as he said "putting your money, where your mouth is".
Yes, I like Harry's music.

Yes, absolutely, I did it for the right reasons.  No problem with my
motives... and I don't mind you asking either.  dr.
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http://free.better-price.biz

> Great- now a question.  Did you you do it for the right reasons or did you
> do it so that you can boast about it here and everywhere else?
>
> The idea is to publicize  the tragedy and assist with the recovery- not to
> focus attention on our own acts.
Notan - 12 Sep 2005 17:33 GMT
> You know, I thought about that.  To avoid an "publicity" about what I did or
> didn't do, I just said I did what I could.  The point was still that no one
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> <snip>

What I think REALLY stinks is that none of the major carriers jumped in
and offered phones/service. Think about it... A carrier donates phones
and x minutes for each phone. Not only does it help those without phones,
after those people get back on their feet, what carrier do you think they're
gonna support? Also, great PR for the carrier, and a HUGE tax write-off.

Sounds like a win-win, to me.

Notan
Scott - 13 Sep 2005 03:51 GMT
> > You know, I thought about that.  To avoid an "publicity" about what I did or
> > didn't do, I just said I did what I could.  The point was still that no one
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Notan

Actually, the money donated by the big carriers probably had a more
immediate impact.  And all of them are donating phones to various rescue
organizations.

If we're going to take this approach, why shouldn't Walmart open their doors
and allow victims to purchase whatever they need at a penny on the dollar-
the same argument could be made for this.
Joseph - 11 Sep 2005 16:36 GMT
>One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru this
>newsgroup.   Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a reply, or
>offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state of affairs.
>I called the shelter, and did what I could.  dr

Perhaps asking for help in cellular-related groups is not the smartest
move in the world now is it?

- -
         
rfredericks - 11 Sep 2005 19:39 GMT
I imagine people find it a bit suspicious of one asking for help via the
cell groups... especially when there's numerous organizations out there
offering aid.

Also, the issue is to help in any capacity you can... not to get upset
because folks aren't supporting your specific cause.

> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru
> this newsgroup.   Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a
> reply, or offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state
> of affairs. I called the shelter, and did what I could.  dr
Jack D. Russell, Sr. - 11 Sep 2005 20:06 GMT
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* Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <jackru$$ell2@notmail.com>
* Newsgroup:
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* Reply to: All; "dr.news" <dr.news@better-price.biz.delete-the-obvious>
* Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:56:43 -0500
* Subj: Not one person interested to help family, Katrina displaced, in
Peoria. Option to help a person from NOLA one-on-one; Brainstorm: How
can I/You/Me help those people in New Orleans   outside of money, gifts,
and prayers
=====================================================

dn>One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help
dn>thru this  newsgroup.   Not one person, not even 1, thought this
dn>worth even a reply, or  offered to talk to this person and offer
dn>support for their state of affairs.
dn>I called the shelter, and did what I could.  dr --

You know what they say about assuming things, don't you? Not everyone
that helps others, regardless of the tragedy of the day, wants attention
drawn to the fact. I'm sure that those that could, did. Some people
don't need a Hurricane Katrina to happen in order for them to practice
being good, caring, generous neighbors, nor do they need (or want) a
USENET newsgroup to brag about it to others..
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Larry - 11 Sep 2005 20:57 GMT
> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru
> this newsgroup.   Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even
> a reply, or offered to talk to this person and offer support for their
> state of affairs. I called the shelter, and did what I could.  dr

Did you notice the email address in the post?  I'd like to think they took
it private to the email or live via a working phone, wouldn't you?  They
don't NEED to respond here in public.

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ja - 11 Sep 2005 22:07 GMT
well aren't you just the most wonderful samaritan of the groups!

don't you think you could help more by getting out there, to either the
site, or a local shelter for evacuees and provide real help?  Instead of
clogging up the shelter's phone lines asking about someone's folks that you
read about on cingular discussion?

give me a break

> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru
> this newsgroup.   Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a
[quoted text clipped - 84 lines]
>>>>>
>>>>> Notan
dr.news - 12 Sep 2005 04:35 GMT
ja... I hope you "get" as well as you give.  Maybe I've been there, maybe
not.  But your criticism helps no one.  Good Luck... but if you were paying
any attention, this started as a "brainstorm" on how we could help... we
being the folks involved with cellular.  If you don't like it... don't read.
dr

dr.news Better Price? (not better than you deserve, just MORE than you are
used to) If I can help: ? dr.news@better-price.biz.delete-the-obvious or
thru this notes forum. Home of the better priced phone and service
http://free.better-price.biz

> well aren't you just the most wonderful samaritan of the groups!
>
[quoted text clipped - 93 lines]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notan
Tiffany - 12 Sep 2005 17:51 GMT
> ja... I hope you "get" as well as you give.  Maybe I've been there, maybe
> not.  But your criticism helps no one.  Good Luck... but if you were
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> dr.news Better Price? (not better than you deserve, just MORE than you are

I have been fortune enough to also have contact with folks that need help
and can help them directly. Enough said.

I don't know if its my server but I have no posts of a person directly
asking for assistance.

T
Frank Thomas - 12 Sep 2005 13:36 GMT
> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru this
> newsgroup.   Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a reply, or
> offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state of affairs.
> I called the shelter, and did what I could.  dr

I have given to the  Red Cross,  the local fire and rescue who has a team up
there, and our chuch charity.

Appeals for direct aid to an individual, made as a cross post to several
NGs, look, well, suspicious. Its widely reported how bad the scammers are.
ACA - 13 Sep 2005 16:36 GMT
Perhaps, just perhaps, many of us have done far more than you realize in
contributions, funds raising, housing, even going to the Big Easy.  Just
because we didn't post it and brag about it doesn't mean that this group
didn't care.
So before you get condemning and so condescending, think.
> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru
> this newsgroup.   Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a
[quoted text clipped - 84 lines]
>>>>>
>>>>> Notan
dr.news - 13 Sep 2005 17:33 GMT
HEY, ACA238: Before you condemn, read the note again.  "not one person...
thought this worth a reply" That was / is my observation, and it started
with a popular thought on brainstorming, which said "what could we/I/you/me
do" if we were so inclined.  Stay in the loop, and you won't look silly.

Found this in the note history below: read it, find anything condemning?  go
away.
> I guess if we can't get to NOLA, we bring them to us.  Happy to report
> that so many have come to the aid of those in need.  Not just Peoria, but
> the global community.  Feels good, doesn't it.   dr

this whole note and history... is about Brainstorming... and Larry's idea
about how one-on-one helping worked for him.  Nothing self serving here,
nothing condemns.

This note, and my request, ends for my part.  Sorry to have bothered you dr

> Perhaps, just perhaps, many of us have done far more than you realize in
> contributions, funds raising, housing, even going to the Big Easy.  Just
> because we didn't post it and brag about it doesn't mean that this group
> didn't care.
> So before you get condemning and so condescending, think.

>> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru
>> this newsgroup.   Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a
>> reply, or offered to talk to this person and offer support for their
>> state of affairs. I called the shelter, and did what I could.  dr

>>> Opportunity strikes when you don't expect it:  Larry suggested doing
>>> something one-on-one.  Well, opportunity knocks.  The Peoria center has
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>>> note if you'd like to be connected with her and help.  An opportunity to
>>> help one NOLA person has now been dropped in your lap.
<snip>
>>> Or you can kiss this off as a bad idea... dr

>>>> Peoria, puts their hearts where it belongs.  Expecting 200-2000 people
>>>> for free housing and care.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>>>> that so many have come to the aid of those in need.  Not just Peoria,
>>>> but the global community.  Feels good, doesn't it.   dr

>>>> "dr.news" <dr.news@better-price.biz.delete-the-obvious> wrote in
>>>> message news:...
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>>>> leave a message, you call.  Of course, if you have internet access,
>>>>> great.
<snip>
>>>>> I would think this is just "notes", but perhaps what I'm describing is
>>>>> now called a blog.  dr
>>>>>
>>>>> (It is just an idea... no middle man, and anyone who can field a call,
>>>>> can enter this information.  If it is dumb, I'm okay with that as
>>>>> well. Just thinking)

>>>>>> "dr.news" wrote:
>>>>>>> Larry, "idea." in 911, they created  a local message board.
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> One problem... How many, of those involved, have Internet access?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notan
Quick - 13 Sep 2005 17:50 GMT
I guess if someone would just pay the deposit for this
person dr.news will get them service at a "better price"...

-Quick

>> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked
>> for help thru this newsgroup.   Not one person, not even
[quoted text clipped - 139 lines]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notan
Tinman - 13 Sep 2005 18:08 GMT
> I guess if someone would just pay the deposit for this
> person dr.news will get them service at a "better price"...

I think starting... I mean "brainstorming" a DNMHF (Dr.News Mental
Health Fund) is in order. The guy obviously needs it, and Usenet is the
most logical place to start it.

Now be prepared to witness the "good Samaritan" spray us with more
vitriolic diarrhea. See above.

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Scott - 13 Sep 2005 18:11 GMT
> I guess if someone would just pay the deposit for this
> person dr.news will get them service at a "better price"...

Why not apply his commission to the monthly bill?
dr.news - 14 Sep 2005 00:50 GMT
Odd, if I tell you that I did, (pay the deposit) then it is self serving.
If I don't pay the deposit, you think me a carpet bagger.  Thanks for the
options.  Hah! I did get her service at a better price: Free (courtesy of
the carrier), but she still had to pay a deposit.  But the carrier has that
deposit, not me. And for the final worry: there is no commission on a
non-revenue producing line of service.

I didn't make a penny, but I sure feel good.  Good, despite your kind words,
but I can take it. Hah. dr

>> I guess if someone would just pay the deposit for this
>> person dr.news will get them service at a "better price"...
>
> Why not apply his commission to the monthly bill?
 
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