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Not one person interested to help family, Katrina displaced, in Peoria. Option to help a person from NOLA one-on-one; Brainstorm: How can I/You/Me help those people in New Orleans outside of money, gifts, and prayers
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dr.news - 11 Sep 2005 13:48 GMT One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru this newsgroup. Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a reply, or offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state of affairs. I called the shelter, and did what I could. dr
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"dr.news" <dr.news@better-price.biz.delete-the-obvious> wrote in message news:...
> Opportunity strikes when you don't expect it: Larry suggested doing > something one-on-one. Well, opportunity knocks. The Peoria center has > some NOLA folks, and a number of them have come in looking for cell > phones. Some needed a $100-$125 deposit (Nextel/Sprint), and they > wondered if we could help. > > Well, I thought about Larry's suggestion, helping someone one-on-one, with > communications, aka: cell phone service. I prefer to not be in the > middle, but here is a possibility: > 1) confirm that the person is from NOLA of course > 2) suggesting that you "talk" to them, and make a personal decision. > 3) if you agree, we would help the customer setup their electronic billing > with the carrier of choice, and you could contribute to their bill. Once, > or as many times as you like. > 4) if you want to help them get started, and pay the deposit, that could > be done as well. > > I didn't expect this to come up but it just did. Which brings me to this > person from NOLA, staying at a Peoria temporary home. Her name is Sandra > M, and if you want to be connected to her, via her temporary home, you > have the option of picking up her $100 deposit. Drop me a note if you'd > like to be connected with her and help. An opportunity to help one NOLA > person has now been dropped in your lap. > > (Their verizon deposit was $400... so, we tried other carriers...in case > you wondered) > > Or you can kiss this off as a bad idea... dr >> Peoria, puts their hearts where it belongs. Expecting 200-2000 people >> for free housing and care. >> >> A Peoria area Baptist church, working with the Red Cross AND the >> Salvation Army, offered to house 200-2000 people at their facility. We >> understand that the offer has been accepted, and they are waiting for >> confirmation that a large group of people is being air-lifted to the >> area. The Baptist church is organizing volunteers, food, accommodation, >> playground equipment, and dry green grass to play on. While I can't say >> how many will be here, the call for volunteers to assist has been made on >> local media. >> >> I guess if we can't get to NOLA, we bring them to us. Happy to report >> that so many have come to the aid of those in need. Not just Peoria, but >> the global community. Feels good, doesn't it. dr >> >> PS: I looked at the NOLA forum, and it is outstanding. It would have >> been better if someone had set some rules for posting subject lines in a >> standard format. But perfect would have been better planning before the >> storm. >>> They don't need internet access, we do. If we published phone >>> number(s), they call in, and we do the internet. For sure, internet is >>> their last concern, but communication is a high concern. We/you/I take >>> the call, and we post into the "blog" or whatever it is called. >>> Keyword, last name, first name. If you want to pick up a message or >>> leave a message, you call. Of course, if you have internet access, >>> great. >>> >>> We need the internet access and a phone. We publish our service, and do >>> the transcribe to post, or read if someone asks if they have a message. >>> I imagine this: >>> >>> Carol Williams calls in asking about "bob smith" We then create a blog >>> or notes entry called: >>> Smith, Bob, 555-123-1234: carol williams called you at 10:15am Sunday. >>> Wanted you to know that your cat/dog were fine and are being cared for >>> at xxx.xxx.xxxx. We know you are busy, so we will check in each day to >>> see if we have made a connect. Don't worry about your xxxxxx, as we've >>> already contacted them and are taking care of your xxxxx. (time/date >>> stamp) >>> >>> I would think this is just "notes", but perhaps what I'm describing is >>> now called a blog. dr >>> >>> (It is just an idea... no middle man, and anyone who can field a call, >>> can enter this information. If it is dumb, I'm okay with that as well. >>> Just thinking) >>>> "dr.news" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Larry, "idea." in 911, they created a local message board. >>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> One problem... How many, of those involved, have Internet access? >>>> >>>> Notan Diamond Dave - 11 Sep 2005 14:34 GMT I'l already planning on helping a displaced NOLA person (who is a friend of mine). He's out of NOLA and safe, and might visit me soon (along with several other of his friends along the way).
We figure each of us friends can house him for a week or so, hopefully by then he can go back to his apartment (which was spared in the flooding) - and at the same time have a nice welcomed vacation from the hell he went through for a week and a half of no electricity or running water, and no landline or cell phone (he uses Cingular - I pitty the guy)
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>One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru this >newsgroup. Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a reply, or >offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state of affairs. >I called the shelter, and did what I could. dr Notan - 11 Sep 2005 15:07 GMT > One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru this > newsgroup. Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a reply, or > offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state of affairs. > I called the shelter, and did what I could. dr > > <snip> It's just possible that this newgroup's contributors are assisting NOLA survivors in numerous other ways. One can only hope.
On a side note, wouldn't it be great if the cellular carriers *didn't* require deposits, etc., and even went as far as providing pre-paid phones to those involved.
Take care.
Notan
Joseph - 11 Sep 2005 16:38 GMT >On a side note, wouldn't it be great if the cellular carriers *didn't* >require deposits, etc., and even went as far as providing pre-paid >phones to those involved. T-Mobile is providing all prepaid users with at *least* $50 in their accounts even if they have exhausted all minutes.
They are also providing a $50 credit to "smart access" customers if they've gone over their limit.
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nospam - 11 Sep 2005 16:43 GMT > On a side note, wouldn't it be great if the cellular carriers *didn't* > require deposits, etc., and even went as far as providing pre-paid > phones to those involved. Really. My cousin tried to get Cingular to swap out his 504 sim for one based in this area code since he expects to be here for several months and no one can get through to his 504 number (when I need to talk to him, I text-msg him, and he calls me back). Cingular said they'd be happy to sell him a new phone and plan with a local area code, but he'd have to sign a 1-year contract and continue to pay for it once he's back in New Orleans.
Ben Skversky - 12 Sep 2005 00:55 GMT I don't believe that for one minute.
>> On a side note, wouldn't it be great if the cellular carriers *didn't* >> require deposits, etc., and even went as far as providing pre-paid [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > him a new phone and plan with a local area code, but he'd have to sign a > 1-year contract and continue to pay for it once he's back in New Orleans. nospam - 12 Sep 2005 02:19 GMT I'm sorry you don't believe it's true, but it happened. After the local store here in Upstate SC said they couldn't help him, he talked to several levels of customer support about it. No dice.
I was stunned when he told me what they said since I just assumed they would bend over backwards to help out. Up until now, he's been very happy with Cingular, but he's fairly pissed off with them right now.
> I don't believe that for one minute. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > him a new phone and plan with a local area code, but he'd have to sign a > > 1-year contract and continue to pay for it once he's back in New Orleans. Cliff - 14 Sep 2005 05:33 GMT I would say that this person must have gone into a retail store and talked to a sales person who was looking for a little commission. I guess commission and compassion kind of sound alike.
Now for the real answer. Just have your friend call the relocation department and they will fix him up. (800-331-0500 and ask the rep for relocation)
> I'm sorry you don't believe it's true, but it happened. After the local > store here in Upstate SC said they couldn't help him, he talked to several [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > 1-year contract and continue to pay for it once he's back in New > Orleans. nospam - 14 Sep 2005 05:58 GMT I'll pass it along - thanks for the info!
> I would say that this person must have gone into a retail store and talked > to a sales person who was looking for a little commission. I guess [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > > 1-year contract and continue to pay for it once he's back in New > > Orleans. NotMe - 17 Sep 2005 05:31 GMT "Ben Skversky"
| >> On a side note, wouldn't it be great if the cellular carriers *didn't* | >> require deposits, etc., and even went as far as providing pre-paid [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | > him a new phone and plan with a local area code, but he'd have to sign a | > 1-year contract and continue to pay for it once he's back in New Orleans. We had a similar experiance with VZN when the 504 A/C phones would not work out of area.
Steve Sobol - 12 Sep 2005 01:41 GMT > It's just possible that this newgroup's contributors are assisting NOLA > survivors in numerous other ways. One can only hope. Some of us aren't in a financial position to offer help, or we already would have.
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Scott - 11 Sep 2005 15:53 GMT > One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru this > newsgroup. Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a reply, or > offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state of affairs. > I called the shelter, and did what I could. dr Great- now a question. Did you you do it for the right reasons or did you do it so that you can boast about it here and everywhere else?
The idea is to publicize the tragedy and assist with the recovery- not to focus attention on our own acts.
Notan - 11 Sep 2005 16:01 GMT > > One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru > this [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The idea is to publicize the tragedy and assist with the recovery- not to > focus attention on our own acts. I honestly don't thinks dr.'s intention was publicity.
Notan
dr.news - 12 Sep 2005 02:40 GMT You know, I thought about that. To avoid an "publicity" about what I did or didn't do, I just said I did what I could. The point was still that no one showed an interest. It didn't mean that people weren't helping other people, it just meant what I said: no one replied to this one little post. Nuff said. Hard to imagine that someone would take an act of kindness, and think it self serving. Larry's story was a happy thought.... and if it prompts someone else to do something great. If you think that story was self-serving as well, then to each his own.
Hard to answer without saying what we do or don't do. But without any fanfare, I did contact each of the major carriers, and ask if they can help. Each said they had their own program going forward, and didn't need our involvement. Not one asked for the lady's name. I guess when you are a MAJOR, you focus on the big picture; getting your communications back and running. Help the Red Cross and stuff like that. Sometimes it takes you / me to help that person one-on-one.
Thinking about self-serving. Harry Chapin (now deceased) used to bring it up at each of his concerts that he was helping with World Hunger. He said how much of his money was going to help them, etc. Not once did I think that self-serving, but as he said "putting your money, where your mouth is". Yes, I like Harry's music.
Yes, absolutely, I did it for the right reasons. No problem with my motives... and I don't mind you asking either. dr.
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> Great- now a question. Did you you do it for the right reasons or did you > do it so that you can boast about it here and everywhere else? > > The idea is to publicize the tragedy and assist with the recovery- not to > focus attention on our own acts. Notan - 12 Sep 2005 17:33 GMT > You know, I thought about that. To avoid an "publicity" about what I did or > didn't do, I just said I did what I could. The point was still that no one [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > <snip> What I think REALLY stinks is that none of the major carriers jumped in and offered phones/service. Think about it... A carrier donates phones and x minutes for each phone. Not only does it help those without phones, after those people get back on their feet, what carrier do you think they're gonna support? Also, great PR for the carrier, and a HUGE tax write-off.
Sounds like a win-win, to me.
Notan
Scott - 13 Sep 2005 03:51 GMT > > You know, I thought about that. To avoid an "publicity" about what I did or > > didn't do, I just said I did what I could. The point was still that no one [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Notan Actually, the money donated by the big carriers probably had a more immediate impact. And all of them are donating phones to various rescue organizations.
If we're going to take this approach, why shouldn't Walmart open their doors and allow victims to purchase whatever they need at a penny on the dollar- the same argument could be made for this.
Joseph - 11 Sep 2005 16:36 GMT >One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru this >newsgroup. Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a reply, or >offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state of affairs. >I called the shelter, and did what I could. dr Perhaps asking for help in cellular-related groups is not the smartest move in the world now is it?
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rfredericks - 11 Sep 2005 19:39 GMT I imagine people find it a bit suspicious of one asking for help via the cell groups... especially when there's numerous organizations out there offering aid.
Also, the issue is to help in any capacity you can... not to get upset because folks aren't supporting your specific cause.
> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru > this newsgroup. Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a > reply, or offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state > of affairs. I called the shelter, and did what I could. dr Jack D. Russell, Sr. - 11 Sep 2005 20:06 GMT =============================================== * Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <jackru$$ell2@notmail.com> * Newsgroup: alt.cellular.verizon,alt.cellular.cingular,alt.cellular.sprintpcs,alt.cellular.cingular * Reply to: All; "dr.news" <dr.news@better-price.biz.delete-the-obvious> * Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:56:43 -0500 * Subj: Not one person interested to help family, Katrina displaced, in Peoria. Option to help a person from NOLA one-on-one; Brainstorm: How can I/You/Me help those people in New Orleans outside of money, gifts, and prayers =====================================================
dn>One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help dn>thru this newsgroup. Not one person, not even 1, thought this dn>worth even a reply, or offered to talk to this person and offer dn>support for their state of affairs. dn>I called the shelter, and did what I could. dr --
You know what they say about assuming things, don't you? Not everyone that helps others, regardless of the tragedy of the day, wants attention drawn to the fact. I'm sure that those that could, did. Some people don't need a Hurricane Katrina to happen in order for them to practice being good, caring, generous neighbors, nor do they need (or want) a USENET newsgroup to brag about it to others..
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Larry - 11 Sep 2005 20:57 GMT > One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru > this newsgroup. Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even > a reply, or offered to talk to this person and offer support for their > state of affairs. I called the shelter, and did what I could. dr Did you notice the email address in the post? I'd like to think they took it private to the email or live via a working phone, wouldn't you? They don't NEED to respond here in public.
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ja - 11 Sep 2005 22:07 GMT well aren't you just the most wonderful samaritan of the groups!
don't you think you could help more by getting out there, to either the site, or a local shelter for evacuees and provide real help? Instead of clogging up the shelter's phone lines asking about someone's folks that you read about on cingular discussion?
give me a break
> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru > this newsgroup. Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Notan dr.news - 12 Sep 2005 04:35 GMT ja... I hope you "get" as well as you give. Maybe I've been there, maybe not. But your criticism helps no one. Good Luck... but if you were paying any attention, this started as a "brainstorm" on how we could help... we being the folks involved with cellular. If you don't like it... don't read. dr
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> well aren't you just the most wonderful samaritan of the groups! > [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> Notan Tiffany - 12 Sep 2005 17:51 GMT > ja... I hope you "get" as well as you give. Maybe I've been there, maybe > not. But your criticism helps no one. Good Luck... but if you were [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > dr.news Better Price? (not better than you deserve, just MORE than you are I have been fortune enough to also have contact with folks that need help and can help them directly. Enough said.
I don't know if its my server but I have no posts of a person directly asking for assistance.
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Frank Thomas - 12 Sep 2005 13:36 GMT > One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru this > newsgroup. Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a reply, or > offered to talk to this person and offer support for their state of affairs. > I called the shelter, and did what I could. dr I have given to the Red Cross, the local fire and rescue who has a team up there, and our chuch charity.
Appeals for direct aid to an individual, made as a cross post to several NGs, look, well, suspicious. Its widely reported how bad the scammers are.
ACA - 13 Sep 2005 16:36 GMT Perhaps, just perhaps, many of us have done far more than you realize in contributions, funds raising, housing, even going to the Big Easy. Just because we didn't post it and brag about it doesn't mean that this group didn't care. So before you get condemning and so condescending, think.
> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru > this newsgroup. Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Notan dr.news - 13 Sep 2005 17:33 GMT HEY, ACA238: Before you condemn, read the note again. "not one person... thought this worth a reply" That was / is my observation, and it started with a popular thought on brainstorming, which said "what could we/I/you/me do" if we were so inclined. Stay in the loop, and you won't look silly.
Found this in the note history below: read it, find anything condemning? go away.
> I guess if we can't get to NOLA, we bring them to us. Happy to report > that so many have come to the aid of those in need. Not just Peoria, but > the global community. Feels good, doesn't it. dr this whole note and history... is about Brainstorming... and Larry's idea about how one-on-one helping worked for him. Nothing self serving here, nothing condemns.
This note, and my request, ends for my part. Sorry to have bothered you dr
> Perhaps, just perhaps, many of us have done far more than you realize in > contributions, funds raising, housing, even going to the Big Easy. Just > because we didn't post it and brag about it doesn't mean that this group > didn't care. > So before you get condemning and so condescending, think.
>> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked for help thru >> this newsgroup. Not one person, not even 1, thought this worth even a >> reply, or offered to talk to this person and offer support for their >> state of affairs. I called the shelter, and did what I could. dr
>>> Opportunity strikes when you don't expect it: Larry suggested doing >>> something one-on-one. Well, opportunity knocks. The Peoria center has [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>> note if you'd like to be connected with her and help. An opportunity to >>> help one NOLA person has now been dropped in your lap. <snip>
>>> Or you can kiss this off as a bad idea... dr
>>>> Peoria, puts their hearts where it belongs. Expecting 200-2000 people >>>> for free housing and care. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>>> that so many have come to the aid of those in need. Not just Peoria, >>>> but the global community. Feels good, doesn't it. dr
>>>> "dr.news" <dr.news@better-price.biz.delete-the-obvious> wrote in >>>> message news:... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>>>> leave a message, you call. Of course, if you have internet access, >>>>> great. <snip>
>>>>> I would think this is just "notes", but perhaps what I'm describing is >>>>> now called a blog. dr >>>>> >>>>> (It is just an idea... no middle man, and anyone who can field a call, >>>>> can enter this information. If it is dumb, I'm okay with that as >>>>> well. Just thinking)
>>>>>> "dr.news" wrote: >>>>>>> Larry, "idea." in 911, they created a local message board. >>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>> One problem... How many, of those involved, have Internet access? >>>>>> >>>>>> Notan Quick - 13 Sep 2005 17:50 GMT I guess if someone would just pay the deposit for this person dr.news will get them service at a "better price"...
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>> One person from New Orleans, 1000 miles from home, asked >> for help thru this newsgroup. Not one person, not even [quoted text clipped - 139 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> Notan Tinman - 13 Sep 2005 18:08 GMT > I guess if someone would just pay the deposit for this > person dr.news will get them service at a "better price"... I think starting... I mean "brainstorming" a DNMHF (Dr.News Mental Health Fund) is in order. The guy obviously needs it, and Usenet is the most logical place to start it.
Now be prepared to witness the "good Samaritan" spray us with more vitriolic diarrhea. See above.
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Scott - 13 Sep 2005 18:11 GMT > I guess if someone would just pay the deposit for this > person dr.news will get them service at a "better price"... Why not apply his commission to the monthly bill?
dr.news - 14 Sep 2005 00:50 GMT Odd, if I tell you that I did, (pay the deposit) then it is self serving. If I don't pay the deposit, you think me a carpet bagger. Thanks for the options. Hah! I did get her service at a better price: Free (courtesy of the carrier), but she still had to pay a deposit. But the carrier has that deposit, not me. And for the final worry: there is no commission on a non-revenue producing line of service.
I didn't make a penny, but I sure feel good. Good, despite your kind words, but I can take it. Hah. dr
>> I guess if someone would just pay the deposit for this >> person dr.news will get them service at a "better price"... > > Why not apply his commission to the monthly bill?
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