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sparks - 09 Sep 2003 14:00 GMT I live in Arkansas and wanted to change from sprint to another carrier. Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas are lets just say a bunch of hype. They show coverage over the entire state. Ok sprint shows the main cities and the highways are covered, LOTS of missing areas...but honest. There is no way that Cingular coveres the entire area they have colored in.
IS there a way to see what their coverage area is really like?
I have had sprint for years and I enjoy the longdistance and call from anywhere feature .... does Cingular have these same things?
The reason I am changing, rollover minutes and no charges when you try to swap phones....sprint hit me for $30 to move my number from my old phone (6 months old,,that was crap) to my new phone. $30 to move a number ???????
thanks for any help
sparks
John Cummings - 09 Sep 2003 20:06 GMT > I live in Arkansas and wanted to change from sprint to another > carrier. Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > sparks http://onlinestore.cingular.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/html/Maps/Central_Texa s/Arkansas/home_ark.htm
I find this map to be reasonably faithful in showing Cingular's system. I've used roads like US70 & 79, 61, 63, 64, 82, 165, and AR-1 in eastern Arkansas. I used the Nokia 6161i (TDMA/AMPS), and now use the Nokia 6340i (GSM/TDMA/AMPS=GAIT) with the Nation Preferred plan (home is Memphis). The NP plan offers national coverage on Cingular systems plus some favored other systems (some ATT, some T-Mobile, etc), included long-distance, and roll-over minutes. GSM has been turned on it Arkansas, but GAIT phones are still available.
Cingular is one of the two cellular carriers that your Sprint phone goes to for roaming off the Sprint network. The other is Alltel, who uses CDMA (same as Sprint) and AMPS. I wasn't able to get a URL to a coverage map, but you could start here. http://www.alltel.com/estore/wireless/
John C.
Chris Russell - 09 Sep 2003 23:30 GMT Your best bet is the Cingular Nation Plan (not the Nation GSM Plan). Look at the map and see that almost 100% of AR is covered-no LD or Roaming (over the whole country). Here is the map for GAIT phones (Nokia 6340i or S-E t62u). http://onlinestore.cingular.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/html/Maps/Southeast/na tion_GAIT_map_6_30_03.htm
They use roaming partners (ATTWS, T-Mobile, Alltell Amps sucks, etc) to cover the whole state.
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sparks <sparks@here.com> wrote in article <jsjrlv098bk11iskbqg12rbu3kik1mq9ic@4ax.com>:
> I live in Arkansas and wanted to change from sprint to another > carrier. Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > sparks Mark W. Oots - 09 Sep 2003 23:50 GMT When a system has been around for a while and is on their 3rd (maybe 4th) generation of infrastructure, coverage should be pretty good. Sprint and T-Mobile are new kids on the block. They are both on 1900 while Cingular is almost all 800 which started in like 1984. When Sprint has been building for 20 years, their map may look the same. BTW, In Arkansas, the one thing that limits service is the hills. Once you get around Little Rock and south, it gets pretty flat and coverage is easy. In Yellville or Toad Suck, the hills get in the way a little bit but coverage is still pretty good. I spend a lot of time around NLR/Sherwood and around Mountain Home and the lakes. In both areas, coverage is pretty decent.(but I don't expect my phone to work EVERYWHERE)
Mark
> I live in Arkansas and wanted to change from sprint to another > carrier. Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > sparks XFF - 10 Sep 2003 17:58 GMT > Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas > are lets just say a bunch of hype. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > There is no way that Cingular coveres the entire area they have > colored in. I guess as a Sprint PCS customer you're just not used to having good coverage, even off the beaten path. But while I don't know whether this is the case in AR or not, it is very much possible to have wall-to-wall coverage from cellular providers. That's why VZW, Cingular, and AT&TWS are the top 3 wireless providers in the country, and not PCS providers like Sprint PCS or T-Mobile.
Lawrence Glasser - 10 Sep 2003 18:03 GMT > > Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas > > are lets just say a bunch of hype. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cingular, and AT&TWS are the top 3 wireless providers in the country, > and not PCS providers like Sprint PCS or T-Mobile. *Every* provider has dead spots,
Larry
Justin - 10 Sep 2003 18:10 GMT > > > Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas > > > are lets just say a bunch of hype. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Larry Yes, and some of them even advertise coverage in LARGE dead spots. Large as in 10-15 mile radiuses covering entire towns. Sprint does this and is doing it now.
Larry Thomas - 10 Sep 2003 19:28 GMT xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote in article <298d9cbf.0309100858.1e1af11c@posting.google.com>:
> > Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas > > are lets just say a bunch of hype. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cingular, and AT&TWS are the top 3 wireless providers in the country, > and not PCS providers like Sprint PCS or T-Mobile. Not true at all. The reason the other 3 are the top is because of mergers and acquistions. I'm surprised at all of the misconception that exists on this issue.
Justin - 10 Sep 2003 19:36 GMT > xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote in article > <298d9cbf.0309100858.1e1af11c@posting.google.com>: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com] Well, regardless of how anyone gets to the top, I know that Sprint advertises coverage in areas where there is none. They also ranked lowest in customer service and have a higher churn rate than the other providers. When I was with Voicestream, their map was really accurate, within a mile or two. I probably had 3 dropped calls with Voicestream in the two years I was with them. I've had no dropped calls with AT&T to date.
It's also a matter of network maintenance, which, of the four carriers I've tried, Sprint has been the only one that advertised service in an area and I couldn't use the phone.
Maybe if they can't play with the big boys, they should try something else. Maybe Sprint and LG could go into the paperweight manufacturing business together.
Ric - 10 Sep 2003 22:30 GMT > > xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote in article > > <298d9cbf.0309100858.1e1af11c@posting.google.com>: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Maybe Sprint and LG could go into the paperweight manufacturing business > together. Guess you don't look at others maps to closely. The "biggest boy" shows coverage in an area of Montana where the only service is by satellite phone!. Also, Voicestream showed areas where THEY didn't have coverage. Looks like you are in an area where SprintPCS has weak coverage. What I have found is ALL carriers, INCLUDING THE BIG BOYS, have problem spots, with AT&T having been found to have the most (as has been stated in numerous independant studies, not surveys!).
p lane - 10 Sep 2003 22:54 GMT I have both sprint and verizon service, and here in east tn, the veriizon map is solid red--this is definitely an optimistic map, because there certainly are areas, that without a 3 watt analog unit, there would be no coverage, and I'm sure there are areas whre even it won't work--however, I am relatively happy, in that coverage has improved so much in the last few years. on the other side, I have sprint service in areas that show no service--so much for maps
rander04@ureach.com (Ric) wrote in article <c3237f1b.0309101330.51b6f673@posting.google.com>:
> > > xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote in article > > > <298d9cbf.0309100858.1e1af11c@posting.google.com>: [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > have problem spots, with AT&T having been found to have the most (as > has been stated in numerous independant studies, not surveys!). Steven M. Scharf - 11 Sep 2003 05:50 GMT > Well, regardless of how anyone gets to the top, I know that Sprint > advertises coverage in areas where there is none. They also ranked lowest > in customer service and have a higher churn rate than the other providers. Actually T-Mobile has a slightly higher churn rate than Sprint PCS. But you're correct in that it really doesn't matter how a provider achieves good coverage, whether it's through mergers, acquisitions, roaming agreements, etc. or building a network from scratch.
> It's also a matter of network maintenance, which, of the four carriers I've > tried, Sprint has been the only one that advertised service in an area and I > couldn't use the phone. The Sprint maps are quite amusing. They show coverage (roaming) even where the FCC maps of AMPS show no coverage.
> Maybe if they can't play with the big boys, they should try something else. > Maybe Sprint and LG could go into the paperweight manufacturing business > together. More likely that Sprint PCS will merge with another carrier.
I don't know why the LG phones in the U.S. have so many problems. In Korea, LG has great products, including phones. Perhaps it has to do with the excellent coverage in Korea, where a phone does not have to deal with a poor quality network.
XFF - 11 Sep 2003 00:38 GMT > xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote in article > <298d9cbf.0309100858.1e1af11c@posting.google.com>: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > mergers and acquistions. I'm surprised at all of the misconception that > exists on this issue. There's no misconception on my part, thank you! Look at the coverage map for a rural service area (take CMA666 [Texas 15 - Concho]) for example) from Sprint PCS or T-Mobile and then compare to that of the two cellular providers in that area. Now you tell me if one doesn't look like Swiss Cheese and the other one like wall-to-wall carpeting.
Yes, I know some providers lie about their true service area. Yes, I know Sprint PCS has only been building out for a few years vs. the cellular providers since the mid-80's. Yes I understand the economics and consequences of covering low-density population areas.
All of this doesn't change the facts. For good rural coverage, the PCS providers cannot compete against incumbant cellular providers.
Larry Thomas - 11 Sep 2003 07:18 GMT The point I was trying to make is that the top 3 carriers didn't get to be the top 3 because of their coverage area, customer service, popularity etc. They got to be that way because of their mergers and acquistions which kept them ahead of the pack. It just so happens that the top 3 are mainly 800 Mhz cellular carriers. I'm not saying this is a bad thing or that it even matters but I am saying it's the reason they became the top 3. A lot of people mistaken think Verizon got to be the largest carrier because they are the best carrier. It had nothing to do with that. Let's AT&T & Cingular decided to merge next week. That would make AT&T the largest carrier by far. Does that automatically mean they become the best carrier then? No. If Sprint merged with let's say Nextel (or someone else) then that would put them into the No. 3 position. Whoever makes the most mergers is the carrier that will likely have the most subscribers.
 Signature -Larry Sprint user since 1997
xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote in article <298d9cbf.0309101538.50de7fd9@posting.google.com>:
> There's no misconception on my part, thank you! Look at the coverage > map for a rural service area (take CMA666 [Texas 15 - Concho]) for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > All of this doesn't change the facts. For good rural coverage, the > PCS providers cannot compete against incumbant cellular providers. Boy_Boy_6969 - 11 Sep 2003 07:31 GMT It's highly unlikely that Sprint could even merge with Nextel, as they use very different technological standards for delivery of their services. It is more likely that Sprint would merge with Verizon Wireless or Western Wireless, but you know mergers are coming up in the near future, especially as number portability becomes madatorily available to consumers. Western Wireless charges a $5.00 monthly fee in some areas for this, which will increase their churn.
One thing that remains important about the largest providers -- they stay largest because of their services, plans, CS, or other factors. People can still switch if they don't like services. I have seen quite a few people discontinue services they had from CommNet or AirTouch when it became Verizon because calling plan options decreased.
> The point I was trying to make is that the top 3 carriers didn't get to > be the top 3 because of their coverage area, customer service, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Whoever makes the most mergers is the carrier that will likely have the > most subscribers. Larry Thomas - 11 Sep 2003 07:42 GMT Yes I realize that a Sprint/Nextel merger would be very unlikely due to their different technologies. I was just using that as an example.
 Signature -Larry Sprint user since 1997
Boy_Boy_6969 <glaeske@yifan.net> wrote in article <3F6016AA.5010300@yifan.net>:
> It's highly unlikely that Sprint could even merge with Nextel, as they > use very different technological standards for delivery of their [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Whoever makes the most mergers is the carrier that will likely have the > > most subscribers. About Dakota - 11 Sep 2003 06:33 GMT > xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote in article > <298d9cbf.0309100858.1e1af11c@posting.google.com>: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > mergers and acquistions. I'm surprised at all of the misconception that > exists on this issue. Actually, it is true. If Cingular, Verizon Wireless, or AT&T Wireless decided that they were going to drop coverage in areas that were not by themselves profitable, they would see an increase in customer churn. Not only would you see coverage dropped intirely in some areas, total states would have coverage dropped (Like North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho). The larger the coverage area, the more subscribers that provider will have.
Larry Thomas - 11 Sep 2003 07:00 GMT About Dakota <glaeske@yifan.net> wrote in article <3F60093F.2060103@yifan.net>:
> > xff@austin.rr.com (XFF) wrote in article > > <298d9cbf.0309100858.1e1af11c@posting.google.com>: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Montana, Wyoming, Idaho). The larger the coverage area, the more > subscribers that provider will have. That has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make.
Jim-G - 10 Sep 2003 22:09 GMT boy you must be smokin' sump'n the indians use to believe those maps. Our daughter drives from Indiana to the west coast each summer both north-south and easr-west using her cingular, that is 'when' she can find coverage. You need to talk to more users.
Boy_Boy_6969 - 11 Sep 2003 06:44 GMT > boy you must be smokin' sump'n the indians use to believe those maps. Our > daughter drives from Indiana to the west coast each summer both north-south > and easr-west using her cingular, that is 'when' she can find coverage. You > need to talk to more users. It depends on whether you have a GSM, TDMA/AMPS, or AMPS only phone. I drove from Bismarck, North Dakota to Orlando, Florida, and the only areas without coverage were in the Chatanooga, TN area, where it was not even safe to use the phone. The only place I hit roaming was in Wisconsin and part of Illinois. I have a Moto C331t TDMA/AMPS phone, and it beats the coverage of even CDMA phones for digital service and quality (I had three CDMA phones -- all experienced unstable signal, poor digital quality but good analog qualilty, and poor digital coverage). I think it makes a difference what kind of phone you have - GSM and CDMA are newer technologies, and therefore still have bugs that are being worked out. In 10 years, it's possible that we may not even see an AMPS system, or even a TDMA system, but it's possible that those systems may even grow in coverage as some equipment manufacturers may offer discounts to carriers expanding TDMA, more as a back-up system.
William Bray - 11 Sep 2003 03:21 GMT Recently Sprint service improved in down town Seattle. As for coverage maps- look at advanced feature maps and you will see a lot of questionable areas. Those different shades of color mean a lot when it comes to what you really get. Much of the colored in areas depends on AMPS- which both CDMA and TDMA providers use. A true GSM map will look like a bowl of spilled spaghetti. With time, everything changes.
sparks <sparks@here.com> wrote in article <jsjrlv098bk11iskbqg12rbu3kik1mq9ic@4ax.com>:
> I live in Arkansas and wanted to change from sprint to another > carrier. Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > sparks sparks - 11 Sep 2003 17:23 GMT Thank you to everyone who helped me with this. I have one other point and question. They say that analog is going out in 2004, I think that a lot of coverage in my state is by the old swbell analog system that was here years ago and will go out in 2004. Maybe then they can put up a map of the real coverage areas. 1 mile north and south of the main highways LOL
my question is the phones you mention. What type of phone technology does cingular use? and with the drop of analog will this all change in the near future?
thanks again sparks
>I live in Arkansas and wanted to change from sprint to another >carrier. Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >sparks About Dakota - 11 Sep 2003 19:04 GMT I don't think it's accurate that analog will go out in 2004. If it is, I'd better discontinue my cell phone, as I will lose 80% of my home coverage area. There are too many rural areas that only have AMPS coverage, and too many subscribers that still have AMPS only phones to discontue the system entirely. If you have a CDMA or TDMA phone and you do not live in a metropolis, it's amazing how often you might fall back on analog. In fact, in Bismarck, North Dakota, AMPS coverage beats CDMA coverage in most aspects, even in town. Digital coverage is unreliable, with many dropped calls, poor voice quality, unreliable signal...need I say more? But analog has a better voice quality than digital here (I know it's against the principles of cellular technology, but I "forced analog" on my Audiovox CDMA phone before making any phone call. AMPS is just too prevalent to just go out like that, I think it will have to wait until TDMA/CDMA/GSM is more spread out.
> Thank you to everyone who helped me with this. > I have one other point and question. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> >>sparks William Bray - 12 Sep 2003 00:23 GMT I agree. AMPS is here to stay. It is still the base of Public Service bands. It will be several years before CDMA or GSM actually become established enough to obliberate the need for AMPS. By the time they start impacting rural America UMT will come along and they will be busy trying to update for that technology. At this rate AMPS will remain an active standard in many parts of the country. While GSM carriers have proclaimed an end to AMPS CDMA and TDMA carriers have made no such proclamation. The time frame mentioned is when GSM providers have permission to start turning off TDMA, not when it will actually happen.
sparks <sparks@here.com> wrote in article <7m81mv824tjt4tklv8ahpmod07dnh8ojmk@4ax.com>:
> Thank you to everyone who helped me with this. > I have one other point and question. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > >sparks N W - 12 Sep 2003 04:07 GMT The Cingular map is a calling map, not a coverage map, it shows where you can place a call accoriding to roaming charges. companies operating on 850mHz are not required to show a "Coverage" except where they are using PCS frequency. And when they preform a tech change like going to GSM. Wait until you see a Cingular GSM coverage map, you will understand.
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N W
sparks <sparks@here.com> wrote in article <jsjrlv098bk11iskbqg12rbu3kik1mq9ic@4ax.com>:
> I live in Arkansas and wanted to change from sprint to another > carrier. Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > sparks
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