Here is a dumb question and I hope everyone here enjoys such things:
I have the true nation, 500/3500, with 100 text messages and internet connect
for a measly $49 per month (I know, but someone at cingular gave me the
messages for free and the internet connect as well for the phone browser --
hey! I don't complain).
At any rate, my plan ends today (the 2nd), and as I see it, I have three
options if I plan to stay with cingular (which I do because I want to keep my
phone number for now):
1. keep the phone month to month (even though it has the scratchy unreliable
battery meter problem)
2. avail my negotiation strategies and threaten to churn in order to get a
credit against the cost of a GAIT phone and sign for another year (this option
will cost me $6).
3. [here's the iffy one] -- CAN I GET A GSM phone, keep the t61, and use
both? that way I can get a cute color GSM phone (like the t306 or the 3595),
keep my awesome never roaming plan, and have the perky new phone which will
work in 90% of the places I makes calls.
I don't want to give up the tdma or the roaming free plan because I drive a
couple times a month on trips through no cingular service areas and this
results in about 400 of my monthly weekend minutes being free roaming minutes
on any other plan.
I only ask because I'm not thrilled about either the 8340i (or whatever that
Nokia number is) or the t62u (even though it is nearly identical to mine).
Somehow, I keep thinking those phones aren't quite great gsm phones, and they
certainly don't have the bells and whistles (or talk time) of some of the other
similarly priced GSM phones.
I realize that this would mean keeping my t61 in the car and turning the GSM
phone off once into a tdma roaming area, but the point I got the phone was in
order to be able to call people in the car no matter where I was in the
country.
The other perk is that it seems less necessary to switch phones after december
(when cingular GSM hits there projections) and I wind up with a fun phone and
that's half way into my contract.
Do you think this option makes any sense? Do you think Cingular would allow
the old phone to remain on the plan plus the GSM phone?
Thanks for your feedback everyone!
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Michael MacMahon - 02 Jul 2003 07:23 GMT
If you are asking if you can have 2 phones w/the same number, 'aint
going to happen. If you are asking if you can have 2 phones, 2 numbers, and
share the plan, 'aint going to happen. There is NO provision for any type of
2 phones or Family Plan on Nationwide.
Having given you all the bad news, don't EVER give up the plan you have.
People would kill for a plan like that, and I kick myself for not getting
one like that several years ago when they were offering it. I don't travel
that much, but not ever having to worry about roaming is worth it. My
sister-in-law has a similar plan (less money and less minutes,) and I have
told her the same thing.
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> Here is a dumb question and I hope everyone here enjoys such things:
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> message, whether implied, express, or understood by custom or course of contact
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Rob - 02 Jul 2003 13:08 GMT
> Here is a dumb question and I hope everyone here enjoys such things:
>
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> Do you think this option makes any sense? Do you think Cingular would allow
> the old phone to remain on the plan plus the GSM phone?
I have an old true national plan and recently upgraded to a T62u, Gait
phone for no money ( Well there was a $10 fee) and a 2year commitment.
Kept the same plan. No problem at all. The free phone was from
Cingular's web site and is gone now but may come back.

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Jud Hardcastle - 02 Jul 2003 16:04 GMT
> I have an old true national plan and recently upgraded to a T62u, Gait
> phone for no money ( Well there was a $10 fee) and a 2year commitment.
> Kept the same plan. No problem at all. The free phone was from
Question. I assume you mean it works on TDMA and AMPS, not GSM. Have
you tried it in a GSM area--it probably wouldn't work but until someone
confirms that.... The downloaded IRDB would not be a GAIT version--it
would be a TDMA/amps only one based on the national plan--I would assume
it would cause the phone to ignore GSM carriers.
I'm a bit surprised the GAIT phones can accept an IRDB off a TDMA-only
or GSM-only plan. The format of the GAIT IRDB must be drastically
different than the normal one in order to do the Cingular GSM first,
Cingular TDMA second, then other GSM, then other TDMA, then analog
logic. Plus it appears that the database is stored on the sim card
which the TDMA database format should know nothing about.
In order for those phones to work on a TDMA/amps-only plan wouldn't
Cingular have to be maintaining 3 separate IRDB's, one for TDMA, one for
GSM, and one for GAIT? Actually many more than that due to local,
preferred, national etc. Plus I assume there is a different format for
the T62u versus the 6340i? That's a lot of work for a phone that is not
officially supported except on a GAIT plan. Although, if Cingular
upgraded that phone maybe it *is* officially supported on non-Gait
plans--previous reports were from ebay acquired phones etc.
Can someone expand on the IRDB download logic? Are they phone
model/plan dependent or just plan dependent or something else?
Jud
Dallas TX with a 6340i Gait plan
Rob - 03 Jul 2003 02:21 GMT
> Question. I assume you mean it works on TDMA and AMPS, not GSM. Have
> you tried it in a GSM area--it probably wouldn't work but until someone
> confirms that.... The downloaded IRDB would not be a GAIT version--it
> would be a TDMA/amps only one based on the national plan--I would assume
> it would cause the phone to ignore GSM carriers.
I am having some strange things happening with my phone, sometimes it
picks up GSM in New Orleans, and sometime TDMA. The phone has started
showing a little T (TDMA?) and G (GSM?) beside the signal strength
indicator. It didn't do that when I first got it. I know I did pick up
GSM during some roaming, 611 connected me to T-mobil.
When I upgraded I didn't ask, I was interested in other things.

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Thomas - 02 Jul 2003 20:02 GMT
>Kept the same plan. No problem at all. The free phone was from
>Cingular's web site and is gone now but may come back.
I hear it was pulled for key pad problems
Mark W. Oots - 03 Jul 2003 22:13 GMT
You can't get a GSM phone and go on the old TDMA Nation Plans. The reason is
that GSM and TDMA have vastly different coverage areas. GSM phones also
can't go back to AMPS so much of the US is zero service. You can, as of
right now upgrade to a GAIT phone and then buy a GSM phone outright, moving
the SIM card back and forth at will (do it in your home area BEFORE you
travel, please - or at least in a GSM area). They also have new Nation
packages for GAIT phones that are not too bad, though not as good as the
combination you currently have. BTW, you canNOT make the switch the other
way around. A GSM SIM in a GAIT phone causes it to be a GSM phone only,
since it needs the ESN in the network to be a TDMA/AMPS phone. If you opt
for a GAIT phone, be sure any Nokia is the 6340i, not just the 6340 (no GSM
850). The older version will not let you switch the SIM card to a GSM phone
as the network will still be looking for the ESN since it knows the phone
does not support GSM 850. All of this assumes you are in one of the "A"
band or "B"band areas and not CA or the Carolinas.
Mark
> Here is a dumb question and I hope everyone here enjoys such things:
>
> I have the true nation, 500/3500, with 100 text messages and internet connect
> for a measly $49 per month (I know, but someone at cingular gave me the
> messages for free and the internet connect as well for the phone browser --
> hey! I don't complain).