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Jim Burks - 02 Nov 2005 03:02 GMT
Any recommendations for prepaid service?

I almost signed up for Cingular's today - until I read the fine print. Even
the $100 cards expire in 180 days.

Virgin Mobile looks nice, but it's CDMA.

Here's what I want in a plan (in priority order):

- >$10/month if I don't use the phone
- GSM
- Decent Nokia equipment (pop-port)

Any suggestions (to newsgroup)?

Jim Burks
Joseph - 02 Nov 2005 03:43 GMT
>- >$10/month if I don't use the phone
>- GSM
>- Decent Nokia equipment (pop-port)
>
>Any suggestions (to newsgroup)?

T-Mobile.  Buy a $100 refill.  This will last you all year.  At the
$100 level you are eligible for "gold" rewards.  Cheaper per minute
rates and any amount added to your account expires a year from when
you add it to your account.  The disadvantage with T-Mobile is you
will not get great rural coverage or at least not as good as cingular
since cingular also has GSM 850 and T-Mobile only has GSM at 1900
(PCS.)  Urban coverage should be very adequate for you.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 02 Nov 2005 05:39 GMT
> T-Mobile.  Buy a $100 refill.  This will last you all year.  At the
> $100 level you are eligible for "gold" rewards.  Cheaper per minute
> rates and any amount added to your account expires a year from when
> you add it to your account.

In reading their web site, it says:

    "If you refill before your prepaid account expires, all your
     minutes will extend to the new expiration date."

I take the phrase "all of your minutes" seriously.

I take it to mean this:  if I buy $100 worth right now, I get 1000
minutes that don't expire for a year.  If I use 10 minutes this month,
next month I have 990 minutes left.  If next month I buy another $100, I
get another 1000 minutes (more, actually, thanks to Gold Rewards, but
let's keep this simple).

Now I have 1990 minutes.  But since I re-upped in month 2, the original
990 minutes don't expire at their 12 month anniversary anymore.  They
stay on and expire when my latest purchase expires, which is month 13 of
my doing business with them.

Or, let's say I buy $100 this year, get 1000 minutes, and don't use them
at all.  In month 12 I buy another $100.  I now have 2000 minutes, and
all 2000 of those minutes are good until 12 months after my LAST
purchase, which is 24 months into my doing business with them.

Or am I reading this wrong?

If I'm not reading this wrong, then T-Mobile has the best deal going, I
think.  But their pay as you go coverage is crummy, because there's no
roaming.

My new situation (company supplied/paid phone) is making me look for a
couple prepaid plans.  I currently have postpaid Cingular blue service
with two lines, 7pm nights, free incoming text messages, and free
voicemail checking with 2300 minutes for $98 plus tax/month.  I won't
need that anymore, but I do want a couple personal phones just to have
for emergency and VERY casual personal use.  1000 minutes/year for $100
is fine--but the bad coverage area worries me.

I don't like anything else I see in the prepaid world.

I could keep my current $98/month (plus tax) plan, and spend over
$1200/year for VERY casual use.  I think that's kinda stupid....but when
I compare it to what I can get in a postpaid Cingular plan, with
corporate discount, at $65/month out the door...I'd save $40/month and
get rollover minutes, which would pile up like nobody's business (let's
see, 12 x 700 = 8400), but I still don't want to pay $780/year if I
could reasonably get away with spending $200/year.

I'm looking at getting onto a family member's Sprint service at
$10/month per line for two lines.  Call it $25/month or $300/year for
two lines, again for emergency and mobile to mobile calling.

(Speaking of, I just became aware that Sprint, unlike Cingular, allows
family share lines on one account to be in different parts of the
country.  Radically different parts of the country.)
Aaron - 02 Nov 2005 08:20 GMT
> > T-Mobile.  Buy a $100 refill.  This will last you all year.  At the
> > $100 level you are eligible for "gold" rewards.  Cheaper per minute
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> think.  But their pay as you go coverage is crummy, because there's no
> roaming.

this is how it works.. as long as you keep $100 on the phone your minutes
never expire.
you dont have to buy 100$ cards but this gives you the most minutes.
Joseph - 02 Nov 2005 16:33 GMT
>I won't
>need that anymore, but I do want a couple personal phones just to have
>for emergency and VERY casual personal use.  1000 minutes/year for $100
>is fine--but the bad coverage area worries me.

You say that bad coverage worries you.  Do you realistically expect to
spend a significant amount of time in the boonies?  T-Mobile's urban
coverage is generally pretty good.  Depending on where you are in
relation to a tower can give less than ideal indoor coverage, but
generally urban coverage is not a problem or as much of a problem as
any carrier has (it's all variable with any carrier.)

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 02 Nov 2005 19:39 GMT
> >need that anymore, but I do want a couple personal phones just to have
> >for emergency and VERY casual personal use.  1000 minutes/year for $100
> >is fine--but the bad coverage area worries me.
>
> You say that bad coverage worries you.  Do you realistically expect to
> spend a significant amount of time in the boonies?

No, but all it takes is one time with the wife and kids being stuck
somewhere and having no service.  I don't need to cheapen out on
something like that.
John Navas - 02 Nov 2005 19:58 GMT
>> >need that anymore, but I do want a couple personal phones just to have
>> >for emergency and VERY casual personal use.  1000 minutes/year for $100
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>somewhere and having no service.  I don't need to cheapen out on
>something like that.

Then with all due respect you need something better than cellular, since all
carriers have significant coverage holes.  You may want to consider a
satellite phone or even a PLB for the car.  <http://www.equipped.com/faq_plb/>

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John Navas - 02 Nov 2005 20:01 GMT
>> >need that anymore, but I do want a couple personal phones just to have
>> >for emergency and VERY casual personal use.  1000 minutes/year for $100
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>somewhere and having no service.  I don't need to cheapen out on
>something like that.

p.s.  A good low-cost option is to keep an unactivated TDMA/AMPS phone,
because all carriers are required to complete 911 calls even for unactivated
phones.  Battery packs are available to ensure there will always be power.

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Joseph - 03 Nov 2005 15:56 GMT
>No, but all it takes is one time with the wife and kids being stuck
>somewhere and having no service.  I don't need to cheapen out on
>something like that.

And just what makes you so sure that *any* carrier will *always* have
service?  There is no such guarantee from any carrier nor will you
ever find such a guarantee.  Anyone who absolutely relies on a cell
phone to get them out of a jam will at one time or another find that
it's not the savior that you might think that it is.  The only sure
guarantee is if you bring a satellite phone with you (with a clear
view of the heavens.)  Anything else is a crap shoot.  If you have
cingular service even with AMPS analog and you run into trouble in
Elma, Washington you're going to find that you're SOL unless you have
anything other than Verizon.  

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 03 Nov 2005 17:00 GMT
> >No, but all it takes is one time with the wife and kids being stuck
> >somewhere and having no service.  I don't need to cheapen out on
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> service?  There is no such guarantee from any carrier nor will you
> ever find such a guarantee.

Who's looking for a guarantee?

I'm looking to tip the odds my way, that's all.

And if there is an obvious choice of "this guy has less coverage, and
that guy has more coverage" my situation calls for more coverage.
John Navas - 03 Nov 2005 17:40 GMT
>> >No, but all it takes is one time with the wife and kids being stuck
>> >somewhere and having no service.  I don't need to cheapen out on
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Who's looking for a guarantee?

We're just taking you at your word (as quoted above).  Since you're not going
to "cheapen out" and since even "one time" is such a big deal, then presumably
you'll get something better than cellular; e.g., a satellite phone, or even
just an unactivated TDMA/AMPS or CDMA/AMPS handset.

>I'm looking to tip the odds my way, that's all.

That's not how I read what you wrote.

>And if there is an obvious choice of "this guy has less coverage, and
>that guy has more coverage" my situation calls for more coverage.

Of course.  But that varies from location to location -- no one carrier has
the best coverage in every location.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 03 Nov 2005 20:16 GMT
> >> >No, but all it takes is one time with the wife and kids being stuck
> >> >somewhere and having no service.  I don't need to cheapen out on
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> you'll get something better than cellular; e.g., a satellite phone, or even
> just an unactivated TDMA/AMPS or CDMA/AMPS handset.

No, because every choice is a compromise.

I've set my level of compromise at the cellular level.  Within that,
T-Mobile has nice pricing but sub-par coverage, and Cingular is more
expensive but has better coverage.

you DO understand the idea that each choice is a compromise, don't you?  
I mean, I could just tell the family to stay home and never go anywhere.  
But I'm not going to do that.
John Navas - 03 Nov 2005 20:47 GMT
>> >> >No, but all it takes is one time with the wife and kids being stuck
>> >> >somewhere and having no service.  I don't need to cheapen out on
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>I mean, I could just tell the family to stay home and never go anywhere.  
>But I'm not going to do that.

How is adding a cheap unactivated TDMA/AMPS or CDMA/AMPS handset for
emergencies a compromise?

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 03 Nov 2005 21:54 GMT
> >you DO understand the idea that each choice is a compromise, don't you?  
> >I mean, I could just tell the family to stay home and never go anywhere.  
> >But I'm not going to do that.
>
> How is adding a cheap unactivated TDMA/AMPS or CDMA/AMPS handset for
> emergencies a compromise?

Not, not for JUST emergencies.
John Navas - 03 Nov 2005 22:45 GMT
>> >you DO understand the idea that each choice is a compromise, don't you?  
>> >I mean, I could just tell the family to stay home and never go anywhere.  
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Not, not for JUST emergencies.

So don't plan for emergencies?

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 03 Nov 2005 23:11 GMT
> >Not, not for JUST emergencies.
>
> So don't plan for emergencies?

Yup.

BTW, did I mention that I have such a bag phone?  Have had it for awhile.

But $4.95/minute vs. 10 cents/minute...I'm looking for a modern prepaid
plan that I like.
Aaron - 04 Nov 2005 22:12 GMT
> > >Not, not for JUST emergencies.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> But $4.95/minute vs. 10 cents/minute...I'm looking for a modern prepaid
> plan that I like.

have you checked out virgin mobile or tracfone?
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 05 Nov 2005 00:26 GMT
> > But $4.95/minute vs. 10 cents/minute...I'm looking for a modern prepaid
> > plan that I like.
>
> have you checked out virgin mobile or tracfone?

yeah.  Maybe I have to look more closely at them, but first impressions
weren't favorable.
larry - 02 Nov 2005 18:06 GMT
>>T-Mobile.  Buy a $100 refill.  This will last you all year.  At the
>>$100 level you are eligible for "gold" rewards.  Cheaper per minute
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>       minutes will extend to the new expiration date."
> I take the phrase "all of your minutes" seriously.

> Or, let's say I buy $100 this year, get 1000 minutes, and don't use them
> at all.  In month 12 I buy another $100.  I now have 2000 minutes, and
> all 2000 of those minutes are good until 12 months after my LAST
> purchase, which is 24 months into my doing business with them.

I've used prepay plans for about 6 years.  And they all work
like you indicated, buy more minutes before the last ones
expire, and they all carry over to the expiration of the new
minutes.

A word of warning, don't build, or let your minutes build
up.  I was on Sprint prepaid for two years, when i got an
"important terms change" email on my phone.  They were
discontinuing ALL prepaid plans.  I had over 700 minutes
remaining (built up with 60 minute cards every 2 months). I
quickly bought another card(minutes) while they were still
available, to give me time to use my mass of minutes before
the shutdown two months later.   They did offer to convert
me to any of their regular plans, and I could roll 60 of my
minutes to the new plan, which had to be used up within the
first billing period.  (my $7/mo became $25/mo on their
cheapest offering- naa, i went shopping)

I'm using pharos intl prepaid now, which costs $3.33 a
month.  But that is on the old attws tdma system which in
Dallas has become just about useless, the phone spends most
of its time "no service" or "roam".  So, I'm using up my
remaining 60 minutes until the lights go out ;-)  I averaged
15 minutes a month.

check beyondwireless for good prepaids too.

happy hunting, btw there will be replacement plans around
the same rates, but it will be months before the dust settles.

-larry / dallas

try this-

cingular bought att (ws)
sbc owns part of cingular
sbc bought att
sbc is changing name to att
new att buys cingular
cingular customers migrate to att wireless?

Did judge Green have kids? are any lawyers? consumers might
need help again ;-)

win some, loose some:

fcc said sbc dsl cannot require the wireline service. ie:
you can have sbc dsl without sbc phone service.  (sbc/att
merger conditions)

sbc just announced they need a data transport fee for those
using voip on their internet.  (yahoo business news under
symbol SBC)
John S. - 03 Nov 2005 13:52 GMT
>> T-Mobile.  Buy a $100 refill.  This will last you all year.  At the
>> $100 level you are eligible for "gold" rewards.  Cheaper per minute
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Or am I reading this wrong?

That's the way it works.
(PeteCresswell) - 02 Nov 2005 20:30 GMT
Per Joseph:
>The disadvantage with T-Mobile is you
>will not get great rural coverage or at least not as good as cingular
>since cingular also has GSM 850 and T-Mobile only has GSM at 1900
>(PCS.)  Urban coverage should be very adequate for you.

Even in a non-rural setting, I'd try to test a tMobile phone under intended use
conditions.  

I've got tMobile in a suburban setting (about 23 miles west of Philadelphia PA)
and, compared to the Cingular CDMA service that I dropped, find it quite
frustrating.   Changing phones helped noticeably, but I'm still a candidate for
Cingular once the contract's up.
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John Navas - 03 Nov 2005 03:05 GMT
>I've got tMobile in a suburban setting (about 23 miles west of Philadelphia PA)
>and, compared to the Cingular CDMA service that I dropped, find it quite
>frustrating.   Changing phones helped noticeably, but I'm still a candidate for
>Cingular once the contract's up.

Cingular was TDMA, and is now GSM, but has never been CDMA.

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John S. - 03 Nov 2005 13:59 GMT
> Per Joseph:
>>The disadvantage with T-Mobile is you
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> candidate for
> Cingular once the contract's up.

Cingular does not have CDMA service Pete!
Joseph - 03 Nov 2005 15:58 GMT
>I've got tMobile in a suburban setting (about 23 miles west of Philadelphia PA)
>and, compared to the Cingular CDMA service that I dropped, find it quite
>frustrating.   Changing phones helped noticeably, but I'm still a candidate for
>Cingular once the contract's up.

cingular is not and has not been CDMA.

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(PeteCresswell) - 04 Nov 2005 01:13 GMT
Per Joseph:
>cingular is not and has not been CDMA.

Mea culpa.

TDMA.
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Jerome Zelinske - 04 Nov 2005 04:56 GMT
    If I recall correctly, Ameritech Mobile now cingular was tdma, cdma,
tdma, gsm.

> Per Joseph:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> TDMA.
John Navas - 04 Nov 2005 05:35 GMT
>> Per Joseph:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>
>> TDMA.

>    If I recall correctly, Ameritech Mobile now cingular was tdma, cdma,
>tdma, gsm.

Ameritech Mobile Communications which became Ameritech Cellular was originally
CDMA.  When it was integrated into SBC Wireless in very early 2000,
subscribers were migrated to TDMA.  See
<http://telephonyonline.com/mag/telecom_sbc_scrap_ameritech/index.html>.
Later in 2000, SBC Wireless became part of Cingular, but by then Ameritech
CMDA was history.

p.s.  Please don't switch posting styles (top vs bottom) in mid-thread -- it's
confusing, and considered a bit rude.  Thanks.

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Joseph - 04 Nov 2005 15:26 GMT
>    If I recall correctly, Ameritech Mobile now cingular was tdma, cdma,
>tdma, gsm.

The topic was cingular not Ameritech Mobile.  Please pay attention.
cingular has never been CDMA.

>> Per Joseph:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>
>> TDMA.

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Jerome Zelinske - 04 Nov 2005 15:59 GMT
    Perhaps I was not clear.  cingular here in WI was ameritech mobile.  So
someone who has been on cingular here for a long time was using tdma,
then cdma, then tdma, now gsm.

>>    If I recall correctly, Ameritech Mobile now cingular was tdma, cdma,
>>tdma, gsm.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> - -
>            
Joseph - 05 Nov 2005 01:48 GMT
>    Perhaps I was not clear.  cingular here in WI was ameritech mobile.  So
>someone who has been on cingular here for a long time was using tdma,
>then cdma, then tdma, now gsm.

If they were *cingular* they weren't a long time on cingular.
cingular has only been around for four or five years.  Neither has
Verizon or T-Mobile been around a long time either.  cingular has not
been around "a long time."

>>>    If I recall correctly, Ameritech Mobile now cingular was tdma, cdma,
>>>tdma, gsm.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> - -
>>            

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 02 Nov 2005 05:24 GMT
> Here's what I want in a plan (in priority order):
>
> - >$10/month if I don't use the phone
> - GSM
> - Decent Nokia equipment (pop-port)

T-Mobile?

Coverage is an issue, though.

I'm looking at the same issue.  It comes down to T-Mobile vs. Cingular,
which means it comes down to price vs. coverage.
Aaron - 02 Nov 2005 08:18 GMT
> > Here's what I want in a plan (in priority order):
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I'm looking at the same issue.  It comes down to T-Mobile vs. Cingular,
> which means it comes down to price vs. coverage.

got to watch out cause cingular has the 1$ a day thing plus the minutes if
you use your phone.
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 02 Nov 2005 13:17 GMT
> > I'm looking at the same issue.  It comes down to T-Mobile vs. Cingular,
> > which means it comes down to price vs. coverage.
>
> got to watch out cause cingular has the 1$ a day thing plus the minutes if
> you use your phone.

That's one option.  They also have a straight 25 cents/minute pay as you
go.

And they also have prepaid plans, in addition, similar to T-Mobile.  At
least they're flexible.
Tiffany - 02 Nov 2005 23:58 GMT
>> > Here's what I want in a plan (in priority order):
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> got to watch out cause cingular has the 1$ a day thing plus the minutes if
> you use your phone.

Isn't that $1 a day IF the phone is used, plus minutes?

T
Tiffany - 03 Nov 2005 00:01 GMT
>>> > Here's what I want in a plan (in priority order):
>>> >
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> T

My bad... that is what you are saying. Ignore comment.  lol

T
Scott - 04 Nov 2005 01:31 GMT
Jim,

I know you mentioned you really want GSM coverage, but you should consider
Virgin Mobile.  I bought the service for my kids and it works out really
well - but dependent on Sprint PCS coverage (which is pretty good).

It's 25 cents/min for the 1st 10 mins of the day, then 10 cents/min
afterwards that same day.  Plus if you use the auto top option, and you're
really using the service infrequently, it's as little as $5/month.

Cingular's plans are also very good, especially the $1/day (when used-unlike
Verizon's which is every day regardless) and only 10 cents/min with
unlimited MTM.

Good luck.
> Any recommendations for prepaid service?
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Jim Burks
Jim Burks - 04 Nov 2005 03:13 GMT
> Jim,
>
> I know you mentioned you really want GSM coverage, but you should consider
> Virgin Mobile.  I bought the service for my kids and it works out really
> well - but dependent on Sprint PCS coverage (which is pretty good).

I might end up with vM. Their  plans look good.

> Cingular's plans are also very good, especially the $1/day (when
> used-unlike Verizon's which is every day regardless) and only 10 cents/min
> with unlimited MTM.

The problem with Cingular is that their minutes expire too soon. $100 card
expires in six months rather than a year. That makes it well over $10/month
to keep a low usage phone. Otherwise, the $1/day, 10c minute plan is good.

Jim Burks
DG - 04 Nov 2005 04:39 GMT
>> Cingular's plans are also very good, especially the $1/day (when
>> used-unlike Verizon's which is every day regardless) and only 10
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Jim Burks

With Cingular prepaid, if you don't mind adding minutes every 90 days you
can use their $25 cards and it comes out to $100 per year (if you don't use
up all your minutes within the 90 days of course).  Your unused minutes
carry over as long as you load more minutes before the 90 days expire. Since
I have *very* low usage I use the $.25 per minute option.
 
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