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I cancelled my cingular service today I'M FREE, I'M FREE, FREEDOM!!!
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JHNichols - 05 Nov 2005 17:04 GMT I will be signing up with someone else by the end of the day.
After having Cingular for about three years my trusty old Nokia 5100 series suddenly showed "NO SERVICE". I took it to the local office, of course they could not fix it. All they could do was give me the number to customer service (I thought that is what the local office was). I called up customer service (on my employer issued phone). They could not fix it and suggested that I was getting no service because the towers had been moved (their words). The customer service lady I talked to remarked that it was strange that my calls had been routed through towers in Jackson, Ms. (I live in 200 miles away.) and that is why voice messages would not show up for a week (another story). She further suggested that because my phone was old it might have problems with system changes. I reminded them that I had paid insurance since I bought the phone, so I should at least get another phone. She agreed and gave me another number to a separate insurance company (all payments I made went to Cingular Wireless). I called these people up gave them all the information and they would send me another phone for an additional $50 activation fee (why was I paying for insurance?). I thought what the hell, just agree to it and I would have phone service again in a couple of days. A couple of days later the new phone comes in. It is a Nokia 3560. Between the total insurance paid and the additional $50 I feel a little taken advantage of, but at least I have phone service again. NO. This phone is supposed to come programmed ready to use. The only number that I can call on it is #611. I call #611 (oh goody, customer (non) support again). The lady tells me this time that the Nokia 3560 will not work with my account. I calmly tell her that I will take it to the local office and that if they cannot fix it I will cancel my account. I did not expect them to be able to, and they did not surprise me. The man behind the counter toyed with it for a couple of minutes and then announced that I needed to call "customer support". I then said in a calm, non-personal, business like way, "thanks for looking at it, but I have spent to much time with this problem already, please just cancel my account." He said something to the effect "We can't do that here, you will need to call customer support". This I did this morning. This episode has left me with the impression that Cingular is a dysfunctional business, with their last concern being the customer once they are roped in. Its procedures mirror those of bureaucratic local governments. The people who populate their local offices are people who are not trusted to make decisions (I do not know this, but this is the impression from Cingular's practices).
This story is not as bad as some have, but this is really poor performance on Cingular's part.
Here is the way the story should have gone:
After having Cingular for about three years my trusty old Nokia 5100 series suddenly showed "NO SERVICE". I took it to the local office, they could not fix it. After looking at my account on their computer and seeing that I had been paying insurance every month since I have been with them, the professional person behind the counter pulled a new phone (a Nokia 3560, the newer equivalent to the old 5165). Within a few minutes it was programmed and I was on my way. I am writing this to express my satisfaction at the quick response of your fine employees to my malfunctioning equipment. Thanks again, your loyal customer XXXXXX.
But alas the above paragraph is fantasy.
Herb Kauhry - 05 Nov 2005 17:59 GMT That's nice. Thanks for sharing.
> I will be signing up with someone else by the end of the day. Pete M - 05 Nov 2005 21:20 GMT This kind problems exist with every Cellular provider. I am with Sprint PCS , I paid insurance on my phone, almost I got the same experience as yours.
>I will be signing up with someone else by the end of the day. > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > But alas the above paragraph is fantasy. Jud Hardcastle - 06 Nov 2005 01:59 GMT > After having Cingular for about three years my trusty old Nokia 5100 series > suddenly showed "NO SERVICE". I took it to the local office, of course they Nokia 5100 series. Now that tells us a lot. Which 51xx? They were originally TDMA. The new ones are triband GSM but come in both the 850 and 900 flavors. If your's was "old" bet you had a TDMA model, especially since...
> Nokia 3560. Another TDMA model -- specific to ATTWS I believe. Were you on ATTWS? Can't really blame the insurance company for giving it to you since it IS an upgrade to the TDMA 51xx model.
Sounds to me like someone pullled the plug on TDMA a tad early. There were some reports of TDMA, especially the ATTWS varity, being pulled from some areas early. The insurance company might be excused but Cingular Customer Service *and* the local store should have known what the problem was and offered you a GSM plan "upgrade".
People had best get used to this since it's probably going to start happening more and more as Cingular areas reach some "magic" ratio of GSM users versus TDMA users. TDMA is going up and down regularly here in north Dallas--I suspect they're shuffling towers shutting down reduntant ones etc. both for traffic and to get spare parts. That may not permanently affect Cingular TDMA users yet but it might ATTWS users.
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Ted - 06 Nov 2005 02:46 GMT I certainly don't blame you for being upset, but good luck finding a better company.
Jeremy - 07 Nov 2005 00:22 GMT >I certainly don't blame you for being upset, but good luck finding a better >company. Friends here in Philly that have Verizon report extremely high reliability. I could be more forgiving Cingular wasn't apparently deliberately tightening the noose on its TDMA customers from ATTWS. f.ck 'em! If things get much worse, I'll just port my numbers to Verizon and I'll be a happy camper.
The earth will go on turning, Cingular won't go bankrupt for having lost my three lines, and I'll keep on smiling!
Joseph - 06 Nov 2005 18:28 GMT >> After having Cingular for about three years my trusty old Nokia 5100 series >> suddenly showed "NO SERVICE". I took it to the local office, of course they [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >and 900 flavors. If your's was "old" bet you had a TDMA model, >especially since... If it was the old 51XX series it means it was either a 5160, 5160i or 5165. All IS-136 "TDMA" models.
>> Nokia 3560. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >reduntant ones etc. both for traffic and to get spare parts. That may >not permanently affect Cingular TDMA users yet but it might ATTWS users. - -
J Robertson - 06 Nov 2005 17:05 GMT > I will be signing up with someone else by the end of the day. > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > But alas the above paragraph is fantasy. Your story is unfortunately all to familiar and not unlike my own experiences with Cingular. I am guessing that you were a former AT&T customer, like I. For us, the downgrading of support at Cingular relative to what we knew at AT&T is a real shock. Unfortunately, Cingular is the bottom feeder who is going for the cheapest cost to the customer who does not need support. Reality is, their subscriber base is increasing. The roll over minutes and the Razr phone I suspect account for that.
JHNichols - 07 Nov 2005 00:49 GMT > Your story is unfortunately all to familiar and not unlike my own > experiences with Cingular. I am guessing that you were a former AT&T [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not need support. Reality is, their subscriber base is increasing. The > roll over minutes and the Razr phone I suspect account for that. Actually I have been a cingular customer the whole time. BTW the phone I had was a Nokia 5165, for those who have been having a fit about me not being more specific in the first couple of lines. This was my first cell phone. I managed to get through my first 35 years without one. Maybe all cell phone companies are like that, but there is no reason for it. It is BS! I still have not got another service yet, because I have been busy around the house this weekend.
Evan Platt - 06 Nov 2005 17:23 GMT >She agreed and gave me another number to a separate insurance company (all >payments I made went to Cingular Wireless). I called these people up gave >them all the information and they would send me another phone for an >additional $50 activation fee (why was I paying for insurance?). This was a deductible. Quite common with insurance.
>Between the total insurance paid and the additional $50 I feel >a little taken advantage of, Wow, you know, I've been paying $100 a month for car insurance. I feel a little taken advantage of too. Especially since I have a $1,000 deductible.
>with this problem already, please just cancel my account." He said >something to the effect "We can't do that here, you will need to call >customer support". This I did this morning. This episode has left me with Sounds like you went to a non Cingular store, i.e. a independant retailer.
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JHNichols - 07 Nov 2005 01:00 GMT > This was a deductible. Quite common with insurance. No. They said it was activation fee. Where they lying?
> Wow, you know, I've been paying $100 a month for car insurance. I feel > a little taken advantage of too. Especially since I have a $1,000 > deductible. And your car is worth less then $2000. If so your comparison makes sense.
> Sounds like you went to a non Cingular store, i.e. a independant > retailer. Nope. Big sign read in large friendly letters CINGULAR, complete with logo. Same place I attained the service, insurance, & phone from. If it says Cingular, sells Cingular, and purports to service Cingular, it is Cingular. If it actually owned by someone other, it's not my problem to figure them out. It is Cingular's problem. I am old fashion about things like that.
Cliff - 07 Nov 2005 14:14 GMT > > This was a deductible. Quite common with insurance. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > If it actually owned by someone other, it's not my problem to figure them > out. It is Cingular's problem. I am old fashion about things like that. It is a deductible.
John Navas - 07 Nov 2005 19:35 GMT >> This was a deductible. Quite common with insurance. > >No. They said it was activation fee. Where they lying? Not necessarily -- "they" might simply have been confused or misinformed.
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Aaron - 06 Nov 2005 22:59 GMT > I will be signing up with someone else by the end of the day. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > support again). The lady tells me this time that the Nokia 3560 will not > work with my account. I calmly tell her that I will take it to the local
> office and that if they cannot fix it I will cancel my account. I did not > expect them to be able to, and they did not surprise me. The man behind the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > But alas the above paragraph is fantasy. have a nice time im sure you will be missed..
how come you guys think that because you have service with a company they need to give you free stuff when the stuff you have breaks down??
hey i have cable and my tv isnt working right.. i have had cable for years, maybe ill call in and say ill cancel my service unless they give me a new tv... YOU THINK THAT IS GOING TO WORK????
you have used your 5165 phone for much longer then the phone was around for, the technoligy has changed..
they dont owe you anything.. they gave you service untill your phone broke. if you went on ebay or something and got a new phone for much lower then 50$ you would have been on your way. unfortunatly the insurance is kind of a scam with older phones.. you dont realise that you spent 4 or 5 times the phone is worth with just the monthly payment, now they want 50$ to give you a new one.. they probably dont even have that type of phone anymore that is why they gave you the one you got that "wont work with your plan" they probably did offer to upgrade your plan but it would have been more money a month and renue your contract.
good luck getting what you want with someone else.
JHNichols - 07 Nov 2005 01:28 GMT > how come you guys think that because you have service with a company they > need to give you free stuff when the stuff you have breaks down?? If it is bought as a package deal and as close as anyone can figure the out the problem is because they "moved" their towers, Yes pretty much.
> hey i have cable and my tv isnt working right.. i have had cable for > years, > maybe ill call in and say ill cancel my service unless they give me a new > tv... YOU THINK THAT IS GOING TO WORK???? Did they climb over into your backyard and disconnect the service?
> you have used your 5165 phone for much longer then the phone was around > for, > the technoligy has changed.. Yes I am sure the dildo you own now has a digital remote as opposed to knob on your old one.
> they dont owe you anything.. they gave you service untill your phone > broke. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > good luck getting what you want with someone else. Yes, good luck to you too, and no one should judge you on your lifestyle.
WHAT THE F#$K, MY NEW CINGULAR CELLPHONE STARTED WORKING. I ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO CALL OUT WITH IT. THIS MAKES SENSE, I HAVE A ACCOUNT AND MY PHONES DO NOT WORK. I CANCEL THE ACCOUNT AND A DAY LATER THEY START WORKING.
John Navas - 07 Nov 2005 19:36 GMT >> how come you guys think that because you have service with a company they >> need to give you free stuff when the stuff you have breaks down?? > >If it is bought as a package deal and as close as anyone can figure the out >the problem is because they "moved" their towers, Yes pretty much. Towers aren't "moved."
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JHNichols - 08 Nov 2005 04:09 GMT > Towers aren't "moved." I did not think that likely either. Their 'expert' words, not mine.
TabooLexicon - 09 Nov 2005 22:36 GMT You're right. Towers aren't "moved" typically. TDMA towers are either replaced or re-moved.
larry - 10 Nov 2005 09:16 GMT > You're right. Towers aren't "moved" typically. TDMA towers are either > replaced or re-moved. try "reconfigured"
They are more like self store buildings, the lease, building, tower are owned by investor groups or listed companies. Carriers rent tower space and rack space for their antennas, transceivers and controllers. An operator might have several paging companies, local cellphone companies, and the nationals running their flavors of mts, amps, tdma, cdma, gsm at the same location. Check the decks of antennas on the tower.
Some of the nationals still own some of their own towers, and even they swap space with other operators to fill-in holes in their coverage. About 10 years ago, the carriers decided it was better to be in the service business and not be a property manager, building manager, construction company and tower erector.
Google American Tower Corp and start your own cell company! There are still investors setting on FCC frequency auction winnings (you might not like your service area).
-larry / dallas
DecTxCowboy - 20 Nov 2005 16:49 GMT > You're right. Towers aren't "moved" typically. TDMA towers are either > replaced or re-moved. That too....
Cases in point -
Cingular 150' monopole was overloaded with a new monster housing development. Tower was "RIPed" (Retired In Place) and two new cells built out. One was MOVED to a water tower and other co-located on an AT&T 150' self-supporting tower.
Cingular 150' self-supporting tower MOVED to a new location, only the concrete pad was left in place. Farmer was content with us pulling out the building slab and covering over the tower pad with two feet of earth.
Cingular 4th story building location MOVED to a 150' monopole.
Cingular and an AT&T towers locations ripped, new tower built.
So...of course cell site locations are relocated and towers are moved.
DecTxCowboy - 20 Nov 2005 16:50 GMT > You're right. Towers aren't "moved" typically. TDMA towers are either > replaced or re-moved. Forgot...one monopole got "redeployed" to a new location. Actually several locations. Insurance covered the tornado damage.
TabooLexicon - 20 Nov 2005 17:05 GMT Thanks for the good info Cowboy.
DecTxCowboy - 20 Nov 2005 18:44 GMT > Thanks for the good info Cowboy. Just offering my knowledgable professional observations of the industry.
John Navas - 20 Nov 2005 21:36 GMT >> Thanks for the good info Cowboy. > >Just offering my knowledgable professional observations of the industry. And modest too. :)
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Scott - 20 Nov 2005 22:23 GMT > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And modest too. :) A level of knowledge much higher than yours is exhibited here, as well as in other threads. You are quickly being exposed once again as clueless and possessing a knowledge base in line with the average user. Of course, you should be used to that by now.
How did you put it? Oh yeah- Jealousy is a bitch.
DecTxCowboy - 20 Nov 2005 22:26 GMT >>Just offering my knowledgable professional observations of the industry. > > And modest too. :) Yet another petty and meaningless response without merit.
John Navas - 21 Nov 2005 00:46 GMT >>>Just offering my knowledgable professional observations of the industry. >> >> And modest too. :) > >Yet another petty and meaningless response without merit. I couldn't have put it better myself. ;)
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DecTxCowboy - 21 Nov 2005 01:00 GMT > I couldn't have put it better myself. ;) You're too modest.
John Navas - 21 Nov 2005 01:08 GMT >> I couldn't have put it better myself. ;) > >You're too modest. But still no match for the master.
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DecTxCowboy - 21 Nov 2005 05:28 GMT > But still no match for the master. Good, at least you admit I am more modest than you.
John Navas - 21 Nov 2005 05:55 GMT >> But still no match for the master. > >Good, at least you admit I am more modest than you. Whatever you say.
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TabooLexicon - 21 Nov 2005 23:07 GMT LOL. Stealth Bar.
:) DecTxCowboy - 22 Nov 2005 04:04 GMT > LOL. Stealth Bar. Damn it...yer not letting him get the LAST WORD in.....
DecTxCowboy - 20 Nov 2005 16:31 GMT > Towers aren't "moved." So that 150' hunk of steel we moved wasn't a tower?
Towers CAN and ARE "moved", but VERY rarely. Please don't make a blanket statement if you are not actively involved in the industry as a professional.
John Navas - 20 Nov 2005 17:36 GMT >> Towers aren't "moved." > >So that 150' hunk of steel we moved wasn't a tower? > >Towers CAN and ARE "moved", but VERY rarely. Which was of course my point, your quibble notwithstanding.
>Please don't make a blanket >statement if you are not actively involved in the industry as a >professional. It was a generally true simplification(tm), not a precise statement of fact.
But then of course you knew that. ;)
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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 20 Nov 2005 18:05 GMT > >Please don't make a blanket > >statement if you are not actively involved in the industry as a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > But then of course you knew that. ;) But then of course, other's didn't necessarily know that at all.
Which means either:
(a) you don't know what you're talking about and are trying to cover that up, or
(b) you wanted people to think something that isn't true.
Either way, I'd say you have nothing to contribute.
DecTxCowboy - 20 Nov 2005 18:38 GMT > But then of course you knew that. ;) "No, I didn't know that..." <-- James Garner as Jim Rockford, "Rockford File" circa mid-70s
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 20 Nov 2005 18:03 GMT > > Towers aren't "moved." > > So that 150' hunk of steel we moved wasn't a tower? Hey now. If John Navas says it, then it is by definition true.
You must not defy the Navas. He knows all, sees all, and is the Source of all that is True.
Just ask him. He'll tell you about it--all day long.
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 20 Nov 2005 18:04 GMT > > Towers aren't "moved." > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > statement if you are not actively involved in the industry as a > professional. Oh he's a professional, all right--a professional gadfly.
It's obvious he's not in the industry.
(Maybe we can make him go away for a couple months again, now that we've outed him as not being part of the industry...)
JHNichols - 07 Nov 2005 01:35 GMT The actually cancellation is effective November 12th. Should I just let it go through and go about my happy way with another service, or should I cancel the cancellation?
taboolexicon@gmail.com - 07 Nov 2005 04:01 GMT The $50 dollars is a deductible which you will have with any kind of insurance.
TDMA has been being phased out for a couple of years with Cingular now. It was even being phased out with AT&T. You could get a TDMA/GSM GAIT phone two years ago which was when the transition began.
Cingular stores with Cingular signage are not always Cingular Corporate stores. Some large agent companies can do the same kind of signage, and do pretty much everything a Corporate store can do.
After two years in a two year contract you are eligible to "upgrade" your technology. You get a new phone at a discounted price and better service than earlier model phones. Comparing TDMA to GSM is like comparing cassette tapes to CDs. Nobody likes to change technologies, but sometimes its good to bite the bullet and do it. Now, new Cingular GSM rate plans are a little more expensive than some TDMA rate plans, but all of them include free long distance and free roaming. Free mobile to mobile to all 50 million Cingular and AT&T customers. Most TDMA rate plans do not.
You can't fault a company for changing technologies. That would be like getting your panties twisted in the stone age when someone invented a wheel or a metal knife. The world keeps spinning and business is business. It's a competitive environment and Cingular has given customers about two years to make the transition.
I will say that I feel your pain when it comes to service in store. It really does sound like the store you went into was a poorly run agent location. If you had come to my store I think you would have left happy. :) Don't let this bad experience completely ruin it for you. You probably have 30 days from the day you cancelled to return without an early termination fee if you were still under contract. I say do it. . . and e-mail me. . I can probably give you some tips on how to get and upgrade for a decent price. (and that's not me selling it to you. . .i'll just teach you how to talk to CS. :)
croaker68@yahoo.com - 07 Nov 2005 08:54 GMT just a question, if you want to keep your phone#, just move it to another carrier (verizon, sprint,etc. )when you have them move the # for you, would that automatically cancel your current cingular account?
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