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Jay - 06 Nov 2005 21:24 GMT

You don't own the newsgroup. Don't email me again regarding the
"charter" it will be filtered.

Thank you.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 06 Nov 2005 22:04 GMT

> You don't own the newsgroup. Don't email me again regarding the
> "charter" it will be filtered.
>
> Thank you.

He really does think he owns the newsgroup, doesn't he?

Navas, you've been outed.

Either step up to the plate and call for a vote on making this a
moderated group with you as moderator, or else just shut up about how
you think it ought to run.

It's 2005, not 1980. Things are different now. Just because you think
things should go a certain way, doesn't mean squat.

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SBC User - 07 Nov 2005 14:19 GMT

Whatever your problem, John will reply to say he never had that trouble.
Unlimited data for a good price? He has it. Well, you can't buy it for
less than $59.99 if you're lucky, but he has it for a lot less. Dropped
calls? Not John. Billing issues? No, not that problem either. Long time
forum users sort of let him rant and leave him alone. Each group has one of
these participants. Just ignore him and move on with life.

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Marty - 07 Nov 2005 18:58 GMT

Somewhere around Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:19:28 GMT, while reading
alt.cellular.cingular, I think I thought I saw this post from "SBC User"
<SBCuser@sbcglobal.com>:

> ... Long time
>forum users sort of let him rant and leave him alone. Each group has one of
>these participants. Just ignore him and move on with life.

Each group has one, and for a lot of them, he's the one.

I personally leave him alone because I finally had to killfile him, even
though I once said I wouldn't. I just couldn't take it anymore. He's rude
and mostly negative, and hypocritical. Oh, yes; have a nice day, John.

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JohnF - 08 Nov 2005 01:14 GMT

I added Navas to the kill file a long time ago. Life has been much better
since.

> Somewhere around Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:19:28 GMT, while reading
> alt.cellular.cingular, I think I thought I saw this post from "SBC User"
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> rude
> and mostly negative, and hypocritical. Oh, yes; have a nice day, John.

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Bernard Farquart - 08 Nov 2005 00:43 GMT

Dude, that is called timing, and thinking ahead,
I have the same data plan that you accuse John of making up, and
I pay 19.99, have 1500 text messages, and *unlimited* data
transfer. I can tether my laptop all I want, and get speeds
equivilant to dial-up. It was available, and now it is not.
Get over it.

Bernard

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SMS - 12 Nov 2005 01:28 GMT

> Whatever your problem, John will reply to say he never had that trouble.
> Unlimited data for a good price? He has it. Well, you can't buy it for
> less than $59.99 if you're lucky, but he has it for a lot less. Dropped
> calls? Not John. Billing issues? No, not that problem either. Long time
> forum users sort of let him rant and leave him alone. Each group has one of
> these participants. Just ignore him and move on with life.

John was the originator of alt.cellular.cingular. I don't know what
happened that he is the way he is now. A kill-file is partially
effective, though not everyone has learned to ignore them, so you'll
still see follow-ups to his posts. Even back in the early days of
Cingular GSM in California, when Cingular was simply horrid in terms of
dropped calls and coverage, and was incurring huge fines from the
California PUC, he was the only customer that never had a problem.

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Scott en Aztlán - 18 Nov 2005 15:07 GMT

Don't forget his website, which is chock full o' information: some of
it accurate, some of it woefully out of date - and no indication as to
which is which. If you point out the errors to him, he arrogantly
refuses to correct the erroneous information.

This is akin to being lost and pulling up to ask John for directions
to, say, McDonald's. He'll happily give you directions to a McDonald's
location that closed down 5 years ago, then snicker as you drive away.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 18 Nov 2005 15:13 GMT

> >Whatever your problem, John will reply to say he never had that trouble.
> >Unlimited data for a good price? He has it. Well, you can't buy it for
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> which is which. If you point out the errors to him, he arrogantly
> refuses to correct the erroneous information.

Don't you all know? If John Navas says it, then BY DEFINITION it's
correct.

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John Navas - 18 Nov 2005 16:42 GMT

>> >Whatever your problem, John will reply to say he never had that trouble.
>> >Unlimited data for a good price? He has it. Well, you can't buy it for
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> which is which. If you point out the errors to him, he arrogantly
>> refuses to correct the erroneous information.

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto
them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at
her." [John 8:7]

Where are your contributions? I'm even making it easy for you -- see below.

>Don't you all know? If John Navas says it, then BY DEFINITION it's
>correct.

Not so. I make mistakes just like anyone else, and I like to think I'm better
than most about admitting them. OTOH, I don't suffer fools gladly, and I'm
not going to join in on unfair flaming just to be popular. :)

I've now turned many of my own contributions into community resources so that
"helpful" folks like you two can do more than just criticize from the
sidelines -- you can easily get involved, fixing any real errors, and adding
your own contributions:

Cingular Wireless FAQ
<http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

Cingular Wireless MEdia Configuration
<http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_MEdia_Configuration>

These are Wikibooks that *anyone* can edit and/or contribute to!
That means you! Let's see if you've got anthing more than criticism. :)

For more information on Wikibooks, start at
<http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Main_Page>.

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MY HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
<http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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Scott - 18 Nov 2005 22:54 GMT

> Not so. I make mistakes just like anyone else, and I like to think I'm
> better
> than most about admitting them.

Care to point out more than one post in this newsgroup where you've done
that? In the three years I have read this group, you haven't admitted
mistake- you simply avoid the thread like the plague when cornered in your
own misperceptions.

>OTOH, I don't suffer fools gladly, and I'm
> not going to join in on unfair flaming just to be popular. :)

You'd have to do much more than that to be popular here. Try postings facts
instead of uninformed opinions.

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John Navas - 19 Nov 2005 00:16 GMT

>[SNIP]

Ignored my invitation to make an actual contribution. Why am I not surprised.

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Scott - 19 Nov 2005 00:24 GMT

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
>>[SNIP]
>
> Ignored my invitation to make an actual contribution. Why am I not
> surprised.

The last time I posted previous to this last one it was a huge contribution-
in fact, most in that thread were. You chose to ignore them and attempted
to deflect the truth with nothing more than uniformed opinion. Why am I not
surprised?

Why would I contribute to something that is created by such a closed mind?

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 19 Nov 2005 02:48 GMT

> > Not so. I make mistakes just like anyone else, and I like to think I'm
> > better
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> mistake- you simply avoid the thread like the plague when cornered in your
> own misperceptions.

Let's not forget this summer, when he was blatantly outed and chose to
disappear for a couple of months.

Ah, those were the days...

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Scott - 19 Nov 2005 03:43 GMT

> Let's not forget this summer, when he was blatantly outed and chose to
> disappear for a couple of months.
>
> Ah, those were the days...

Oh, I remember well. I thought his latest contention that they had a good
quarter, and the data that showed it to be far short of spectacular would be
enough to make him hibernate again. Instead he has chosen to ignore it.
How sad.

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John Navas - 19 Nov 2005 17:00 GMT

>> Let's not forget this summer, when he was blatantly outed and chose to
>> disappear for a couple of months.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>enough to make him hibernate again. Instead he has chosen to ignore it.
>How sad.

How sad indeed, Tweedledum and Tweedledee, how clear it now is that you have
nothing constructive to contribute. Jealousy is a bitch.

Move along folks. Nothing more to see here.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 19 Nov 2005 21:02 GMT

> >> Let's not forget this summer, when he was blatantly outed and chose to
> >> disappear for a couple of months.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> How sad indeed, Tweedledum and Tweedledee, how clear it now is that you have
> nothing constructive to contribute. Jealousy is a bitch.

Jealousy of what?

I'm simply pointing out that when you were caught with your pants down,
and tried to defend your position but couldn't, even after a couple
months, you just disappeared for a couple months.

Do you deny that's what happened?

If so, it'll be worth my time to go digging it up to show you as a
reminder.

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Scott - 19 Nov 2005 23:43 GMT

> How sad indeed, Tweedledum and Tweedledee, how clear it now is that you
> have
> nothing constructive to contribute. Jealousy is a bitch.

Just posting on topic to the thread- can't help it if you have a problem
with that. And wouldn't posting on topic be a constructive contribution?
The Usenet god needs to brush up on his definitions.

Jealousy? Of what?

Hey Elmo- which one are you? I can't keep it straight anymore.

> Move along folks. Nothing more to see here.

Nothing to see other than an outdated dinosaur of an 'expert', whose glory
days passed and knowledge base disappeared with the advent of ISDN. The
'expertise' that he once had is now common high school knowledge and he has
failed to keep up with the times.

Hey John- how come you stopped shouting from the hilltops about Cingular's
outstanding 3Q? Could it be that you got caught again with your pants down,
not knowing what you talk about? Poor research? Poor understanding of the
industry? An 'expert' would not have been caught in such an embarrassing
situation.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 20 Nov 2005 01:02 GMT

> > How sad indeed, Tweedledum and Tweedledee, how clear it now is that you
> > have
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>
> Hey Elmo- which one are you? I can't keep it straight anymore.

Yeah, me either. I guess I'll have to go to John's web site to get the
scorecard.

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Isaiah Beard - 07 Nov 2005 18:56 GMT

> You don't own the newsgroup. Don't email me again regarding the
> "charter" it will be filtered.
>
> Thank you.

Now he's spamming people? Just great.

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wkearney99 - 11 Nov 2005 05:15 GMT

Please, give us a break. You spam the newsgroup trying to auction off your
phone and then want to whine about someone calling you on it? Get a clue.

> You don't own the newsgroup. Don't email me again regarding the
> "charter" it will be filtered.

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