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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Cingular / January 2006Pust to talk
Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from what she said push to talk service will be ready in January. >Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from what >she said push to talk service will be ready in January. That might simply be an internal rumor or just a guess on her part. It was supposed to have been launched this year. Only time will tell.  SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> John Navas Wrote: > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > John Navas > <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> I can tell you that the PTT is ready to go. And it will blow th others away in features and reliability. The best feature is th ability to set up groups of people to "talk" to at the same time, up t 20. Contractor or manager needs to communicate to a staff at the sam time? Select the group, push the button, voila!! Killer > I can tell you that the PTT is ready to go. And it will blow the > others away in features and reliability. The best feature is the > ability to set up groups of people to "talk" to at the same time, up to > 20. Contractor or manager needs to communicate to a staff at the same > time? Select the group, push the button, voila!! Killer. Nextel has been offering this for quite a while. Scott Wrote: > > I can tell you that the PTT is ready to go. And it will blow the > > others away in features and reliability. The best feature is the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Nextel has been offering this for quite a while. Yes but their's has limitations. I am waiting on Cingular's sinc Sprint bought NTL and we all know Sprints rep > Scott Wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yes but their's has limitations. I am waiting on Cingular's since > Sprint bought NTL and we all know Sprints rep. No limitations- it has more functionality than the Cingular offering. >> Scott Wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >No limitations- it has more functionality than the Cingular offering. Cingular is reportedly deploying the Kodiak technology, which has *more* functionality than iDEN (Nextel). SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> > Cingular is reportedly deploying the Kodiak technology, which has *more* > functionality than iDEN (Nextel). Wrong- try again. Having been a Nextel user and having played for a while with the Kodiak stuff, nothing of any merit makes Kodiak stand out from a user perspective. Having read the white papers on both technologies, nothing of merit makes Kodiak stand out from a user perspective. In fact, Kodiak, as being deployed by Cingular, will have many shortcomings when compared to the Nextel product. Now, if you have actual extensive hands-on experience with the two technologies as I have, then feel free to prove me wrong. If all you are going to do is act like a misinformed juvenile, please move on to the next post. I have no need for your stone-age, kindergarten view of the cellular world. Of course, you'll respond because you can't help yourself. And in this case, you should come with facts and not opinions- try it for a change. You'll have to better than that. > Having read the white papers on both technologies, And without having posted the links to them it's nothing more than just your opinion, doubtlessly worth the price paid for it. > If all you are going to do is act like a misinformed juvenile, > please move on to the next post. Likewise, if all you're going to act like is a sanctimonius a.s the please, move on. > You'll have to better than that. Indeed, advice worth taking, try it. >> Having read the white papers on both technologies, > > And without having posted the links to them it's nothing more than just > your > opinion, doubtlessly worth the price paid for it. I'm sorry- I know I can't match the level of useful knowledge represented in John's repetitive response of "Cingular is reportedly deploying the Kodiak technology, which has *more* functionality than iDEN (Nextel)." >> If all you are going to do is act like a misinformed juvenile, >> please move on to the next post. > > Likewise, if all you're going to act like is a sanctimonius a.s the > please, > move on. No- my act contains much more than that. I don't hold a candle to Navas in the sanctimonius a.s department. >> You'll have to better than that. > > Indeed, advice worth taking, try it. I'm sorry- did you get the impression I was trying to impress you? If so, please recalibrate your expectations. >>> Having read the white papers on both technologies, >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >John's repetitive response of "Cingular is reportedly deploying the Kodiak >technology, which has *more* functionality than iDEN (Nextel)." Here's a thought: Check out the Kodiak technology for yourself. ;) SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> > Here's a thought: Check out the Kodiak technology for yourself. ;) No- here's a thought: learn how to read. I've already said that I have. >> Here's a thought: Check out the Kodiak technology for yourself. ;) > >No- here's a thought: learn how to read. I've already said that I have. It's patently obviously that you don't really know anything about it, so that would leave us with a reading comprehension problem. Oh well. SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> > It's patently obviously that you don't really know anything about it, so > that > would leave us with a reading comprehension problem. Oh well. Thanks for the uneducated opinion again, John. I haven't seen anything of any value come from your keyboard in this thread. I'm sure I have a much better understanding than you. Oh well. >> I can tell you that the PTT is ready to go. And it will blow the >> others away in features and reliability. The best feature is the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Nextel has been offering this for quite a while. Scott Let him go he's on a roll It will cost you $20.00 more a month if you have family plan >>> I can tell you that the PTT is ready to go. And it will blow the >>> others away in features and reliability. The best feature is the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Let him go he's on a roll > The best feature is the > ability to set up groups of people to "talk" to at the same time, up to > 20. Contractor or manager needs to communicate to a staff at the same > time? Select the group, push the button, voila!! Killer. Nextel, 1998. No big deal. >> The best feature is the >> ability to set up groups of people to "talk" to at the same time, up to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >No big deal. Kodiak technology, current generation, *more* functionality than iDEN (Nextel), could be a big deal. The possible catch is handset support. SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> > >> The best feature is the > >> ability to set up groups of people to "talk" to at the same time, up to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Kodiak technology, current generation, *more* functionality than iDEN > (Nextel), could be a big deal. The possible catch is handset support. Ummm...could you please stick to the topic? The OP was raving about group talk--a feature Nextel has had for many years now. He was raving about it as if it were all-new, and nobody else had it. I don't care what ELSE may be coming down the pike. I also recognize that whatever Cingular may do, others will also do. More functionality than iDEN? Today, maybe. Tomorrow? You think Sprint will let iDEN stand still? > I don't care what ELSE may be coming down the pike. I also recognize > that whatever Cingular may do, others will also do. More functionality > than iDEN? Today, maybe. Tomorrow? You think Sprint will let iDEN > stand still? The issue with Verizon's PTT was not a lack of functionality, it was that the latency was so terrible. From the reports about Cingular's PTT trials, the intitial latency is still an issue, but once the connection is established, the latency is comparable to what Nextel offers. OTOH, for many users, the appeal of PTT is not so much the walkie-talkie feature (where latency is very important), but the group calling feature. I think that people will put up with the higher initial latency in exchange for the much wider coverage of Cingular's network, but it's very hard to get businesses to switch. >> I don't care what ELSE may be coming down the pike. I also recognize >> that whatever Cingular may do, others will also do. More functionality [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >trials, the intitial latency is still an issue, but once the connection >is established, the latency is comparable to what Nextel offers. The difference in initial latency isn't a real issue. What matters is ongoing latency. SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> > John Navas Wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > 20. Contractor or manager needs to communicate to a staff at the same > time? Select the group, push the button, voila!! Killer. Don't wanna hear a bunch of gobshites yammering all afternoon? Push the off button, viola!! Killer. Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' Jer Wrote: > > John Navas Wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > jer > email reply - I am not a 'ten' Nah, it's great to get distracted like tha >John Navas Wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Only time will tell. >I can tell you that the PTT is ready to go. And it will blow the >others away in features and reliability. The best feature is the >ability to set up groups of people to "talk" to at the same time, up to >20. Contractor or manager needs to communicate to a staff at the same >time? Select the group, push the button, voila!! Killer. True if it's in fact the announced Kodiak technology -- PoC (Push to talk Over Cellular) isn't that good. But even with Kodiak the issue will be phone support, since that will only work on special handset(s) (or with special J2ME [Java Mobile] SIMs, which may not be forthcoming). SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> >John Navas Wrote: >> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >20. Contractor or manager needs to communicate to a staff at the same >time? Select the group, push the button, voila!! Killer. RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, and Nextel already does this wolla >>I can tell you that the PTT is ready to go. And it will blow the >>others away in features and reliability. The best feature is the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, and Nextel already does this Kodiak technology (used by Cingular) is superior to NEXTEL in a number of ways, including contact management. I suggest you check it out for yourself. SignatureBest regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> In article <Gl8Cf.548244$zb5.429728@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Kodiak technology (used by Cingular) is superior to NEXTEL in a number of > ways, including contact management. I suggest you check it out for yourself. Let's see, you come in here on January 26 and reference a December 29 article. Whatever technology Cingular may have is nowhere near what Nextel has, because Cingular's isn't out there and doesn't work. Nextel's is out there, it's doing the same thing with group talk and contact management, and millions of people are using it. Wishing won't make it so, Navas. > Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from > what she said push to talk service will be ready in January. Did she say what year? Mark >> Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from >> what she said push to talk service will be ready in January. Any info on what this will cost? How much will the phones be selling for? >>> Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from >>> what she said push to talk service will be ready in January. > > Any info on what this will cost? How much will the phones be selling for? The cost is reported to be $10/month for a single line, for unlimited PTT, or $20 for all phones on a family plan, or $5 per phone (not clear if it's whichever is less or whichever is more). Business pricing for large businesses is negotiable. As to the handsets, it isn't clear what the subsidized prices will be. The initial handsets are supposed to be the Samsung D357, and LG F7200. Supposedly Nokia has the 5140 with PTT but it isn't going to be released at the initial launch due to some issues. The launch has been apparently pushed out again. Can't blame them for wanting everything perfect for the launch, given the disastrous Verizon PTT launch. >> Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from >> what she said push to talk service will be ready in January. >> >Did she say what year? LOL! SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> >> Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from >> what she said push to talk service will be ready in January. >> > Did she say what year? There were issues with CALEA compliance, but I thought that this was solved. It keeps getting pushed out, a month or two at a time. Really no big deal considering the underwhelming response to PTT offerings by other carriers. I suppose that when the iDEN network is shut down, that at least all the other carriers will be on an equal footing in terms the poor quality of their PTT. Cingular better launch PTT with more than just a couple of handsets, and not price it obscenely. Amusingly, with Verizon the best part of PTT was that it flopped so badly that the V60p phones were reworked into the V60s, one of Verizon's best handsets ever, one that was in extremely high demand, until of course they ran out of them and never made more. There's a good market for PTT out there, from all the Nextel subscribers that hate the crappy coverage, but there isn't a market for crappy PTT. At my wife's office they call PTT, PTA (push to annoy). They have to keep it turned off for confidentiality, and the coverage is so bad that they all have to carry a second phone from another carrier. >>> Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from >>> what she said push to talk service will be ready in January. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >at least all the other carriers will be on an equal footing in terms the >poor quality of their PTT. You're (again) misinformed -- Cingular is reportedly deploying the Kodiak technology, which has *more* functionality than iDEN (Nextel). >Cingular better launch PTT with more than just a couple of handsets, Because...? >and >not price it obscenely. I'm guessing it will be competitive with Nextel/Sprint. >There's a good market for PTT out there, from all the Nextel subscribers >that hate the crappy coverage, but there isn't a market for crappy PTT. Which is why Cingular is reportedly going with Kodiak. SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> > Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from what > she said push to talk service will be ready in January. Having tested one of the Cingular PTT devices and looking at the way the groupings go - as compared to Nextel - and IMHO - 1. Latency issue with Cingular PTT. Not as "fast" connecting to another person. 2. Adding the users - groups - or whatever and only with permissions seems like a winner. 3. Only 2 models of phones at this time - but that (you would think) has got to change real quick - especially if one of the 2 offered is an LG >> Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from what >> she said push to talk service will be ready in January. >> >Having tested one of the Cingular PTT devices Kodiak or PoC? >and looking at the way the >groupings go - as compared to Nextel - and IMHO - >1. Latency issue with Cingular PTT. Not as "fast" connecting to another >person. The same time as voice call setup. In session latency is as good or better than iDEN (Nextel). >2. Adding the users - groups - or whatever and only with permissions seems >like a winner. Agreed. >3. Only 2 models of phones at this time - but that (you would think) has got >to change real quick - especially if one of the 2 offered is an LG Indeed -- that's the big issue. 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