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Cingular withdrawing the Sony/Ericsson z520a ???
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Steven M. Haflich - 16 Jan 2006 02:21 GMT I'm curious if anyone else has beard new of this: [Long story.]
Just one week ago I purchased a new Cingular family plan in Northern CA including two z520a phones (and one unrelated model). The phones have mostly worked, but twice mine has locked up in a weird way. The first time I didn't investigate carefully (since I had been experimenting with bluetooth with my PC) but today it happened again and I took the time to make a techno- dweebhead analysis. (I was at the time coping with two emergencies, both of which needed phone communications, and I was hiking in the hills with no landlines close by.)
The symptom is that although the phone is set to vibrate _and_ ring, the phone only vibrates for incoming calls. (This caused me to miss a couple calls during the emergencies.) After establishing that the phone was still set to ring, I tried to play the file currently set as the ring tone, a midi file. The phone responded that the file could not be played, with no further explanation, and similarly for several other files, including the annoying, undeletable tasteless technopop music files files the programmers of this phone thought reasonable to force a classical musician to carry around in his pocket.
I decided the phone's OS had wedged itself, so powered off to reboot it. The phone absolutely refused to power back on. Urgently needing the phone, I was finally able to reset it by removing the battery for 30 seconds and then restarting.
So, later today (a Sunday of a holiday weekend) I returned to the Cingular company store and sales agent that sold me the phone. He said that just that morning Cingular had withdrawn the z520a because the phone was defective. Indeed, the phone had been removed from the wall display. Unfortunately, since the change was so recent, he did not know what Cingular would do to replace the phone it its lineup. Another employee thought they would reissue it (presumably the problem is programming, so existing units could be reflashed) but the only thing he could do immediately was to offer me an exchange to a different model of phone. I declined, wanting to review the possibilities before acting.
Later I tried Cingular customer service at 611. The support person (who genuinely seemed to be sited in the USA_ denied that there was any news on the z520a. I suggested that he might not have received the news yet, since it was very recent, but he denied this with a rather surly tone, and recited about three times all my options to exchange the phone for the same model, or another model. He refused my request to have Cingular contact me in a few days after the matter could be researched, so I told him to log the problem and that _I_ would contact them again in a few days.
Later in the day I checked the Cingular web site, specifically, the selection of offered phones. The z520a is no longer listed.
So I'm eager to learn any breaking news on the z520a at Cingular. Meanwhile, the possibility grows that I will return to my previous carrier.
Jer - 16 Jan 2006 02:30 GMT > I'm curious if anyone else has beard new of this: > [Long story.] [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > Meanwhile, the possibility grows that I will return to my previous > carrier. Two people have offered you an exchange for a different model. What are you waiting for?
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Steven M. Haflich - 16 Jan 2006 03:08 GMT > Two people have offered you an exchange for a different model. What are > you waiting for? First, thanks for the confirmation. I'm a little curious from where you got your information, and when.
I certainly shall exchange the phone (unless I dump Cingular completely) but I was in no rush to pick a different phone before studying the options and the independent reviews. Cingular doesn't have a plethora of clamshell phones that include camera and bluetooth, but I've got a couple weeks to decide. (Suggestions welcome.) Meanwhile, what I suspect will happen is that Cingular will correct the way they've botched the z520a programming, or ese Sony/Ericsson will correct the way _they_ botched it, and the phone will be reissued. But it would have to be soon to help me.
Cliff - 16 Jan 2006 03:36 GMT > > Two people have offered you an exchange for a different model. What are > > you waiting for? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > or ese Sony/Ericsson will correct the way _they_ botched it, and the phone > will be reissued. But it would have to be soon to help me. Unless I am mistaken here - Cingular only resells the phones and does not program the phone - so it sounds like there is a "Botch" on the part of S.E.
Steven M. Haflich - 16 Jan 2006 04:20 GMT >> Meanwhile, what I suspect will happen is >>that Cingular will correct the way they've botched the z520a programming, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Unless I am mistaken here - Cingular only resells the phones and does not > program the phone - so it sounds like there is a "Botch" on the part of S.E. This is unclear to me. Certainly the bulk of the programming is done by the manufacturer, but at least a little customization is done by the network provider. For example, the phone has apparently-hardwired startup and shutdown Cingular graphics, hardwired Cingular menu items, and a few ringtones and backgrounds are Cingular specific in addition to one or two S.E. specific logos. I presume these are prvided by Cingular's custom flash (just as Verizon hamstrings bluetooth in their custom flash for other phones) but I don't know for sure that this is the mechanism by which these evil deeds are accomplished.
So I am still assuming that the programming fault, assuming it is a programming fault and not a hardware fault, could be blamed on either side. But I'm willing to be educated.
Jer - 16 Jan 2006 06:20 GMT >>> Meanwhile, what I suspect will happen is >>> that Cingular will correct the way they've botched the z520a [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > programming fault and not a hardware fault, could be blamed on either side. > But I'm willing to be educated. Here's what I've heard on the street... Cingular will obtain a few (~50-75)units for testing, some in the lab, some in the field. These lab rats will have their programming changed by Cingular engineers many times before any opinion of their performance is settled. Whatever opinion Cingular ends up with, if the model is accepted, will be sent back to the manufacturing line, where the customized firmware and seem files are included in future retail units before being shipped to Cingular. So, although Cingular doesn't actually program every unit on their shelves themselves, specialized programming is dictated by Cingular and applied by the manufacturer in mass quantities for retail sale. Once these customized units arrive at Cingular's warehouse, the only thing remaining is to shove a SIM in and out the door it goes. This all sounds plausible to me.
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Steven E. Harris - 16 Jan 2006 16:23 GMT > Cingular doesn't have a plethora of clamshell phones that include > camera and bluetooth, but I've got a couple weeks to decide. > (Suggestions welcome.) It took me a few months to finally settle on the SE z520a. In fact, I just ordered it last Friday (13 January) and haven't even received it yet. Now I'm not sure how to proceed.
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Chris Sweeney - 19 Jan 2006 04:18 GMT I have the z520a and as a matter of fact have never had problems with it yet...knock on wood. However it is confirmed there is a problem with memory leakage in the software. If you ordered it on Friday chances are your order will be delayed for an updated model as the recall was placed on Monday. New z520a's are expected early Feb in the field.
>>Cingular doesn't have a plethora of clamshell phones that include >>camera and bluetooth, but I've got a couple weeks to decide. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > just ordered it last Friday (13 January) and haven't even received it > yet. Now I'm not sure how to proceed. Lord Vader - 20 Jan 2006 21:23 GMT Other known/ recognized software issues with the SE z520a:
Blank Displays/Screens Frozen Animations Menu icons looking strange Ringtones not playing on incoming calls
A power cycle is a temporary fix until the corrected handsets are available for warranty exchange. ETA still stands as 1/23/2006.
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Chris Sweeney - 19 Jan 2006 04:13 GMT The phones are being reflashed and will be available again in Feb 06. Yes there is a software bug in them where like previous versions of windows they eat up all the memory until you power cycle them. If you really want to keep the phone the best way to get arround the problem is to "reboot" power cycle the phone every day.
>> Two people have offered you an exchange for a different model. What >> are you waiting for? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > or ese Sony/Ericsson will correct the way _they_ botched it, and the phone > will be reissued. But it would have to be soon to help me. Michael3977 - 16 Jan 2006 13:10 GMT Took them over a year to pull the Moto V600, and than replace them with a V551, for customers that complained enough
SMS - 16 Jan 2006 19:19 GMT > I'm curious if anyone else has beard new of this: > [Long story.] [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > both of which needed phone communications, and I was hiking in the > hills with no landlines close by.) First of all, avoid SE phones like the plague.
Second, I go hiking a lot in Northern California (Marin, Santa Cruz Mountains, East Bay, Peninsula, all the way down to the Pinnacles) and Cingular is a poor choice if you expect to get decent coverage. I've tried GSM phones while hiking (still have one that uses Cingular's network), but a Verizon CDMA/AMPS phone (tri-mode) has far, far, better coverage. In many areas where you're likely to be hiking there is _only_ AMPS coverage.
If it's not too late, drop Cingular and move to Verizon or Sprint, and be certain to choose tri-mode phones. Yes, Verizon is more expensive, but for the best coverage, you have no choice. One thing to be careful about is that when tri-mode phones switch to AMPS, the battery life is very short, just a few hours of standby. I switch my phone off while hiking, unless I'm expecting a call, and just turn it on to make calls.
Another alternative is to get a prepaid TDMA/AMPS phone for use while hiking, and keep the Cingular phone for regular use. These TDMA/AMPS phones will work for another two years or so, then the TDMA network will be gone.
m.vassmer@insightbb.com - 18 Jan 2006 02:17 GMT I've had the same problem with ringtones you describe. According to the Cingular customer forums, some customers are hearing that a shipment of fixed phones is coming out between 1/23 and 1/28. This date will not be confirmed online by the Cingular rep, but he acknowledges that something is in the works. I've already exchanged the phone once and the replacement phone has the same issue with non-playing ringtones. I am waiting until the end of this month, then I'm going to push them to exchange it for a "fixed" Z520a phone. (My wife's too - as she has the same model with the same issues, though she hasn't replaced hers yet.) If that does not fix it, I'll push for a different brand of cell phone from the warranty department. I'm 30 days out, so I need to go the warranty route. If I was within 30 days, I'd switch for a different model now.
Steven M. Haflich - 18 Jan 2006 20:40 GMT > I've had the same problem with ringtones you describe. According to > the Cingular customer forums, some customers are hearing that a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > days out, so I need to go the warranty route. If I was within 30 days, > I'd switch for a different model now. This is good news! I think I will plan to do the same as you, and it's somewhat easier for me because I have several weeks remaining before my 30 day trial expires. I'll ping Cingular support every few days. If anyone hears any news, please post.
Steven E. Harris - 18 Jan 2006 20:53 GMT > If anyone hears any news, please post. I did talk with a Cingular CSR this morning who confirmed that the "fixed" stock should start arriving on January 23. She advised that I hold off on my exchange request until then. (I too am well within the 30-day horizon for now.)
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Racquet - 25 Jan 2006 02:12 GMT This was posted in the Cingular customer forum on 1/20/2006. I am on hold now (25 minutes) with Cingular trying to get my 2 replacements.
"Once again, we are pleased to say that because of all your posts and others stating their issue, Sony Ericsson has found the cause of many of your concerns.
Under certain situations and when you're not turning your devices on and off as part of their regular usage, customers are experiencing issues with their Z520a's (i.e., frozen animations, blank screens, top menu icon corruption and ring tones that don't play for incoming calls, etc.). The root cause of this issue has been determined by Sony Ericsson to be a memory leak on the device. The device is currently not releasing memory as it should when it attempts to move from one cell site to another. This issue is not occurring in all areas as well as not in all the models sold, and can be resolved by simply power cycling the device. The issue will reappear every 3-4 days assuming the customer does not power cycle the device on a regular basis. This is very similar to an experience you would have on your desktop when you are notified that you no longer have memory available to complete the task and you are asked to reboot your PC.
Any exchanges to the new batch of Z520a will not be available until after January 23, 2006 (tentative date) when Cingular Wireless receives the new shipment of these devices without the above said issue.
Exchange Information:
New devices (within 30 days): Return to your POINT OF SALE for exchange options.
New or refurbished (over 30 days but less than one year ago): Call Customer Care for options of Exchange by Mail.
Anything other then what was stated here must be directed to Customer Care, thank you for all your input. Thank you for your comments, opinions to this topic. It appears that we have provided you with useful answers. This issue has been thoroughly discussed and is now closed. Should you find something NEW that we have not already discussed in this thread - feel free to open another thread to shed light of your issue or concern. If Cingular Wireless has new developments with this Z520a as always, we will alert our boards. Thanks for joining our online community. Message Edited by G8Keeper on 01-20-2006 02:41 PM "
Racquet - 25 Jan 2006 02:29 GMT The new batch of phones is not arriving on 1/27/2006 according to Cigular Warranty Service.
Wirelessjuan - 25 Jan 2006 02:40 GMT See if they will give you the Motorola V557 instead. While it doesn't have the PICTURE calleri ID on the outside of the phone it is a nicer phone with the same features.
xxxxxxxx - 02 Feb 2006 04:29 GMT >See if they will give you the Motorola V557 instead. While it doesn't >have the PICTURE calleri ID on the outside of the phone it is a nicer >phone with the same features. The V557 also has a bigger screen. Unfortunately, it has less than a third of the memory of a z520a, and no infrared.
John Navas - 02 Feb 2006 16:19 GMT >>See if they will give you the Motorola V557 instead. While it doesn't >>have the PICTURE calleri ID on the outside of the phone it is a nicer >>phone with the same features. > >The V557 also has a bigger screen. Unfortunately, it has less than a >third of the memory of a z520a, and no infrared. OTOH, it has EDGE, and is thus considerably faster for data.
The next step up from the V557 is the V360:
* Lighter * Internal antenna * Double the talk time * Improved internal color display * Larger external display * TransFlash / microSD memory expansion [up tp 256 MB] * EGPRS (EDGE) Class 10 [faster] * Push To Talk * MP3 player * Extended voice dictation
Drawback:
* Tri-band (850/1800/1900 or 900/1800/1900) rather than quad-band
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Lord Vader - 02 Feb 2006 19:23 GMT Wirelessjuan Wrote:
> See if they will give you the Motorola V557 instead. While it doesn't > have the PICTURE calleri ID on the outside of the phone it is a nicer > phone with the same features. Unfortuantely at this time cingular XBM only has seesdtock v557, so swap from another make/model for the v557 is not possible. :-
Wirelessjuan - 02 Feb 2006 21:33 GMT It looks like the z520a reflashed equipment has been redeployed at this point so you might be able to get an updated z520a
Racquet - 03 Feb 2006 04:20 GMT I just received my reflashed Z520a in the mail.
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