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Trying to use by Cingular wireless to access Bellsouth newsgroups

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selasko@yahoo.com - 18 Jan 2006 21:01 GMT
Hi all! - I'm new to the group and am impressed with the level of
expertice and the willingness to help displayed here.
We travel 9 months out of the year and rely totally on our Cingular
service for not only phone service, but we're now trying the EDGE/GPRS.
I'm a digital photographer and will be using the service to transfer
large files to a lab back west - but I digress.
We've always had problems with sending email from either the cell phone
or WI-Fi providers.  Now that we've hopefully landed on a single
provider, I've been able to modify my Outlook 2000 outbound SMTP to
work with Cingular.
Here's my last problem - Bellsouth is my main ISP/email address.  I
want to access the Bellsouth newsgroups (newsgroups.bellsouth.net) but
with the IE link to Outlook 2000 I always get the username/password
dialogue when attempting communication.  Even though I know that the
username/password is correct, it just keeps bouncing back.  I've also
tried this with Forte Agent and get the message "Error reported by
Server: 502 Authentication Failed: Logging into news server."  The same
things happen using Wi-Fi providers that are NOT powered by Bellsouth.
Everything works fine if I happen to be located at a phone line (yawn!)
or a Wi-Fi powered by the Bellsouth system.
Does anybody have any clues how to get newsgroups.bellsouth.net to work
on the Cingular system?

Thanks!
Steve
marx404 - 19 Jan 2006 11:54 GMT
you must have permission to sign into BS ng, ergo, as you have already
answered your own question, you must be using a machine that is using BS
networks to access thier NG.

You can try accessing the ng via Google NG at www.google.com.

marx404
selasko@yahoo.com - 19 Jan 2006 12:27 GMT
If I understand you correctly, I do have a Bellsouth email account
(which uses the same login as newsgroups), which works fine.  So I
THINK I have the permission you're speaking of.  I can use the Google
newsgroups, but prefer the Bellsouth system.

Make sense?

Steve
Isaiah Beard - 19 Jan 2006 15:59 GMT
> If I understand you correctly, I do have a Bellsouth email account
> (which uses the same login as newsgroups), which works fine.  So I
> THINK I have the permission you're speaking of.  I can use the Google
> newsgroups, but prefer the Bellsouth system.
>
> Make sense?

Hi Steve,

Makes sense.  However, the problem with Bellsouth (and most other
ISP-run) newsgroups is that they are often restricted to working only
within that ISP's subnets.  In other words, the newsgroup servers are
configured so that even if you have the correct username and password,
they will not talk to you if you are accessing them from outside of a
Bellsouth-run network.

The reason for this is most likely that Bellsouth wants to limit its
expense for peering data across networks, and if you happen to accessing
binary newsgroups (which most usenet users are these days), than that
peering can get costly if the traffic is allowed to cross backbones.

And while yes, BellSouth has an almost-but-not-quite equal interest in
Cingular, the chances are good that Cingular is using SBC/AT&T
infrastructure for its data network, which prevents you from gaining access.

As I travel often too and like to keep access to usenet while I'm out an
about, I've found that the only real alternative is to subscribe
separately to a third party usenet server.  They charge their own
monthly fee of course, but they  allow access regardless of what network
you're on, and their entire focus is serving usenet subscribers, so
their reliability and article retention tends to be a lot better anyway.

There are companies like SuperNews and GigaNews that most hard core
usenet people swear by, but I use Forte's Agent Premium Newsgroups, at
http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php .

If you're just interested in the discussion groups like this one, Forte
offers a 5GB monthly transfer plan for a mere $2.95 a month.  That
should more than satisfy your fix for text based usenet discussion
groups.  And if you want binaries, they have an unlimited plan for
$14.95 a month.  In either case, binary newsgroup retention is 14 days,
and text groups (like alt.cellular.cingular) have a 300-day article
retention.

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selasko@yahoo.com - 23 Jan 2006 01:12 GMT
Looks like its time to give up on BS groups.  Thanks for the help!

Steve
Craven Morehead - 19 Jan 2006 14:17 GMT
Steve,

BellSouth newsgroups are available to users originating from a BellSouth
"owned" IP address.  This is a security policy done to ensure only BellSouth
customers have NG access.

You may want to repost to: {bellsouth.net.support.news-service} for a better
explanation although be prepared for some "bitchin".  This is where all the
whiners hang out.  You might also post in the forums at: www.dslreports.com

> Hi all! - I'm new to the group and am impressed with the level of
> expertice and the willingness to help displayed here.
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> Thanks!
> Steve
 
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