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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Cingular / September 2003Cingular says T62u won't work with GSM?
My wife and I are with Cingular, and have been for some time now. My wife has an old Nokia TDMA something or other, and I've got a T62u that I upgraded to a few months ago because my Nokia was crapping out. My wife's phone is needing replacement, and we're considering switching to GSM. We spoke with a rep yesterday that implied that if we moved to a GSM plan and got my wife a new phone, my phone would have to be upgraded as well. I thought "bull" and we left. The location was basically a table in the back corner of a local (non-chain) office supply store, and the rep didn't seem particularly knowledgeable. Is there any reason at all why switching to a GSM plan would cause my T62u to stop working? I thought that was the whole point of having a GAIT phone. Also, how is Cingular up in the Seattle area? We'll be moving there in about nine months and I don't want to get stuck in another two year agreement if they suck up there. (currently in Stillwater, OK) -- Daniel Basically its like this...in order to get a GSM phone you must switch plan to either Super Home or GSM Nation....neither of which will support a GAIT phone....if you are on a Family Talk Plan, both phones must be the same technology....there are a few rare exceptions...if you have a FT CPN plan you can have the base line as TDMA but the secondary as GSM, but since GSM isn't built out as much...if your GSM phone reads Cingular Extend youwill be charged $0.79/min...and that is in alot of places...so its really not worth it...you can take your t62u and have it set on GSM only or have Cingular remove the phone's ESN from the network, then your T62u becomes only GSM so you can use it on a GSM plan.... I know its kina confusing but it can be done...but i'd suggest just upgrading to GSM or get 2 seperate plans  SignatureThanx, N W danielaine@cox.net (Daniel) wrote in article <80e7adf9.0309201525.14df123c@posting.google.com>: > My wife and I are with Cingular, and have been for some time now. My > wife has an old Nokia TDMA something or other, and I've got a T62u [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > Daniel I have a superhome family talk plan in Ohio with three phones (two GAIT phones and one GSM) with no problems. The GSM phone has more dead areas than do the GAIT phones. Steve > My wife and I are with Cingular, and have been for some time now. My > wife has an old Nokia TDMA something or other, and I've got a T62u [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > Daniel I've been told (in the Northeast) that SuperHome Family Plans are compatible across technology lines (same minutes, just different maps). Are we talking a National plan of some sort here? I would imagine that National Family Plans are not cross-tech compatible, since each differing technology has a different price/minutes breakdown. (And the GAIT National Plan has no Family option, as far as I know.) Jim. "Stephen R. Conrad" <sconradpt@yahoo.com> wrote in article <bkl05n$2qjae$1@ID-129890.news.uni-berlin.de>: > I have a superhome family talk plan in Ohio with three phones (two GAIT > phones and one GSM) with no problems. The GSM phone has more dead areas than [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 9/18/2003 I called not too long ago to switch to Cingular Nation and add a second line. I was told that currently, with Cingular's national plans, FamilyTalk is not available. I do have to admit that 500 anytime minutes, with Rollover, and 5000 night/weekend minutes, that work anywhere, is a really good deal. AD > I've been told (in the Northeast) that SuperHome Family Plans are > compatible across technology lines (same minutes, just different maps). [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com] Family Talk is not available with the GAIT Cingular Nation plans. If you were, for some reason, to get a GSM phone, you could have Family Talk. From the maps, it doesn't look as if GSM is about Dakota at all, though. The best I can recommend for multiple lines with nationwide coverage is one of our TDMA Preferred Nation plans. About Dakota <glaeske@REMOVEMEyifan.net> wrote in article <3F6E33B3.2000004@REMOVEMEyifan.net>: > I called not too long ago to switch to Cingular Nation and add a second > line. I was told that currently, with Cingular's national plans, [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com] Very very true, Cingular doesn not service North Dakota. I started on Cingular before moving to North Dakota, and I have found the roaming service (included on the Preferred Nation) plan in North Dakota exceeds the service from the local companies (Verizon and CellularOne[West]). However, due to my contract terms, Cingular must either still provide the (mostly) national service I have signed up, or let me out of the contract (without early termination fee). Of course, I signed up over the phone (I have the conversation recorded, I record all conversations with businesses after my experience with CellularOne) and they affirmed that if I moved to an area and Cingular dropped my service because my being in that area, I would NOT be responsible for early termination fees. I thought switching to a National (GAIT) plan and getting a second line would be a good deal because my parents would only use the phone for no more than 60 minutes per month. Oh, I forgot to mention: you are right. North Dakota has very very limited GSM coverage (Fargo/Grand Forks Corridor, via RCC Unicel). Most of the GSM coverage in North Dakots is "overlap" from Canada. AD > Family Talk is not available with the GAIT Cingular Nation plans. If > you were, for some reason, to get a GSM phone, you could have Family [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com] i bought a new nokia 3300 for 1 of the 3 lines i have on a family plan and didn't have to change anything I currently have a plan that dates back to sept 2001. $39.99 internet via csd 100 text messages (shared) for all 3 lines and 400 minutes with unlimited(not 5000) night/weekend minutes and i didn't have to change the mobile to mobile per phone we simply pay $9.99 once and all 3 lines share the unlimited mobile to mobile:) we have a tmobile phone (3650) but it's still within the return policy for tmobile however we might keep it because the user on that line has unlimited data for 9.99 a month and has already downloaded 85mb since the 9th of september. If only cingular had unlimited data instead of their $6 1mb plans. I forgot to mention the other 2 phones are gait(6304i) one has been in gsm mode for nearly 1.5 months and the other has never seen a momnet of gsm for some reason. If anyone has any info on gprs data and cingular post it here too. Assuming that you are talking about a family plan with shared minutes you should both get a GAIT. GAIT works perfectly in a GSM area, that's what it's designed to do. It will be easier for you to get two GAIT phones in your area than in Seattle. With both of you on the same plan billing will go smoother. Who ever lied to you about a GAIT phone not working on GSM needs to be fired. If your GAIT phone is with Cingular then it will be a cinch to get your wife on with the same type of phone. I travel to Seattle every weekend. I recently got two T62U phones through Cingular. (Talk about hassles!) Cingular and AT&T come in very well in this area. Downtown Seattle can be the pits for any cell phone user, especially inside buildings- with the GAIT phone I get at least two bars where I used to get nothing. I would recommend living in Lynwood rather than Seattle as you get much better in house signals there. One nice thing about this GAIT phone is that it will tell you when it's not getting any single. danielaine@cox.net (Daniel) wrote in article <80e7adf9.0309201525.14df123c@posting.google.com>: > My wife and I are with Cingular, and have been for some time now. My > wife has an old Nokia TDMA something or other, and I've got a T62u [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > Daniel >I travel to Seattle every weekend. I recently got two T62U phones >through Cingular. (Talk about hassles!) Cingular and AT&T come in very [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Lynwood rather than Seattle as you get much better in house signals >there. Nonsense. Whether you live in Lynnwood or Seattle doesn't make any difference. What does make a difference is where the nearest cell site is located. If you think there's only one cell site in all of Lynnwood or one cell site in all of Seattle you are deceived. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com Is it not possible that Lynwood roams with a different carrier, at lower mHz? Isn't it true that lower mHz penetrate buildings better than PCS? it may be other factors than the number of towers, like terrain, interference from other radio broadcasting systems, and other environmental factors? I've never seen either city, so I can only speculate as to what might be the problem. AD >>I travel to Seattle every weekend. I recently got two T62U phones >>through Cingular. (Talk about hassles!) Cingular and AT&T come in very [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > To send an email reply send to > GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com In my area, Cingular claims that the GAIT phones cannot be used on the GSM only plans. What a load of *&^%. The whole thing is about rates and plans. They charge $10 extra for each secondary phone on the GAIT plans vs the GSM plans. (It's all in the phone programming and sim) > Is it not possible that Lynwood roams with a different carrier, at lower > mHz? Isn't it true that lower mHz penetrate buildings better than PCS? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > To send an email reply send to > > GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com Good questions. No, penetration is not due to lower MHz, it is due to how close the tower is to you and how well that tower is designed for covering a distance. Most city towers are designed to only have a 2 mile reach. We have three major carriers in our area and all them have either built their own towers or piggy backed on someone else's (you would be surprised how many towers T-Mobil alone lists). The Lynnwood area is primarily a flat land with lots of trees, and a few rolls. It is situated just off the freeway. Seattle is basically flat but it also sports several large hills and lots of tall buildings. From Shoreline to Everett its all fairly flat. The Bellevue- Bothel area also has a great deal of relative flatness but here you run into higher elevations and a few heavily wooded areas. There is one stretch on 405 where most radio signals all but vanish. This is between Bothel and Everett. There are lots of areas up here that a new resident can enjoy themselves. A second reason I do not recommend living in Seattle is a much higher crime rate. Car theft is almost a hobby down there. About Dakota <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> wrote in article <3F7089DC.3040600@REMOVEMEhotmail.com>: > Is it not possible that Lynwood roams with a different carrier, at lower > mHz? Isn't it true that lower mHz penetrate buildings better than PCS? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > To send an email reply send to > > GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com > A second reason I do not recommend living in Seattle is a >much higher crime rate. Car theft is almost a hobby down there. Why don't you mention a large city where car theft is *not* a problem? That would be a fairer comparison. I don't think you can do it. Bigger cities have bigger city problems. It's been that way for a *long* time. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com Sorry old man, but I must hold a different opinion. Seattle is high rise city, both in apartments and in office buildings. A huge structure can actually block a radio signal, especially with these weak cell phones. Lynnwood has far fewer high rises and much less cellular traffic, and they have an abundance of cell towers. Group Special Mobile <look@signature_to.reply> wrote in article <6qk0nvotc5k2s0q641316fqj864kgh9ki1@4ax.com>: > >I travel to Seattle every weekend. I recently got two T62U phones > >through Cingular. (Talk about hassles!) Cingular and AT&T come in very [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > To send an email reply send to > GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com >Sorry old man, but I must hold a different opinion. Seattle is high >rise city, both in apartments and in office buildings. A huge structure >can actually block a radio signal, especially with these weak cell >phones. Lynnwood has far fewer high rises and much less cellular >traffic, and they have an abundance of cell towers. Nonsense. Seattle is not all that much high rise. In the downtown area of course you're going to have high rise. Most of Seattle is not downtown. >Group Special Mobile <look@signature_to.reply> wrote in article ><6qk0nvotc5k2s0q641316fqj864kgh9ki1@4ax.com>: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >[posted via phonescoop.com] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com I think if you go to the website, you will see that GAIT phones will only be serviced on Cingular Superhome Family Talk and Nation Plans (not the GSM Nation Plan). These are the old Nation Plans from TDMA markets where GAIT phones were first marketed. Click on the terms for each plan at the bottom of each plans pricing to see the phones covered. This info was the same in Detroit and OKC, OK. Currently in Seattle only GSM plans are being offered-no GAIT phones. SignatureChris Please respond on Usenet or Phonescoop.com danielaine@cox.net (Daniel) wrote in article <80e7adf9.0309201525.14df123c@posting.google.com>: > My wife and I are with Cingular, and have been for some time now. My > wife has an old Nokia TDMA something or other, and I've got a T62u [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > Daniel Very true, but NW Cingular will honor both TDMA and GAIT contracts made with Cingular headquarters- until you decide to change the plan. I had this chat with a gentleman from AT&T. Cingular honors my GAIT phones on the same family plan that I started out with on GSM. The office staff commented that AT&T customers do not know Cingular policies very well. Seattle does honor GAIT contracts, but you might want to change your phone number into a local area code before moving. 425 is the most common area code with 206 running in second place. 306 for areas north of Everett. noone@nospam.nospam (Chris Russell) wrote in article <vn20ileb5mn677@corp.supernews.com>: > I think if you go to the website, you will see that GAIT phones will > only be serviced on Cingular Superhome Family Talk and Nation Plans (not [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com] |
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