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PISSED Off About Cingular Text Messaging Prices!!!

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Me - 17 Feb 2006 18:31 GMT
Hi All.

I don't know how you all feel, but I'm really pissed about Cingular
having TERRIBLE offers regarding text messaging!!  WHY???  I have one
friend with Sprint who pays $5 per month for unlimited texting and
another with Verizon who pays the same. I pay $10 per line for only
1000 text messages (which we know can easily be surpassed in one
month)!  The next stupid offer Cingular has is $20 per line for only
2500 text messages. They don't even offer unlimited texting which
they'd probably charge an arm and a leg for if they did have it!

Does text messaging use some kind of resources that costs Cingular tons
of money??  Why do they BLEED people?

I'm done ranting... Thanks for listening.

Me
John Navas - 17 Feb 2006 19:12 GMT
>I don't know how you all feel, but I'm really pissed about Cingular
>having TERRIBLE offers regarding text messaging!!  WHY???  I have one
>friend with Sprint who pays $5 per month for unlimited texting and
>another with Verizon who pays the same. I pay $10 per line for only
>1000 text messages (which we know can easily be surpassed in one
>month)!

I have 1500 messages available, and I've never used more than 150 of them.

>The next stupid offer Cingular has is $20 per line for only
>2500 text messages.

MEdia Works is $20/month (in my area at least), with 1000 text messages and
*unlimited* multimedia messages.

>They don't even offer unlimited texting which
>they'd probably charge an arm and a leg for if they did have it!

So switch to Sprint.  Seriously.

>Does text messaging use some kind of resources that costs Cingular tons
>of money??  Why do they BLEED people?

Cingular is in business to make money.  You are free to pick the best carrier
for your needs.  That's how the market works, any why cellular is such a
bargain.

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Me - 17 Feb 2006 19:33 GMT
Thanks for the reply John.

I'm stuck in my contract for another year and a half, so Cingular wins
either way, whether I leave or stay!  Cingular is a large enough
company that I would think has the resources to take care of and keep
it's customers. Why such greed. Isn't good customer service all part of
the game to becoming the biggest and the best?

Thanks again,
Me
John Navas - 17 Feb 2006 19:48 GMT
>I'm stuck in my contract for another year and a half, so Cingular wins
>either way, whether I leave or stay!

Why didn't you check this out before you signed up?

>Cingular is a large enough
>company that I would think has the resources to take care of and keep
>it's customers. Why such greed.

How is it "greed"?  Cingular is free to charge what it considers a fair price,
and customers are free to look for better deals elsewhere.  How is Cingular at
fault for your choice?

>Isn't good customer service all part of
>the game to becoming the biggest and the best?

Of course.  But making money is also part of the game.  Giving away the store
is part of why ATTWS is no longer independent.

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Me - 17 Feb 2006 20:04 GMT
It's not that I didn't check it out before I got text messaging for the
first time, it's that I was already locked into a contract and I needed
texting.

It's not a "fair" price when you look at what other carriers are
charging. There's a difference between "giving away the store" and
"charging fair prices."  And yes, it is greed. Capitalism at it's best!
Worshipping The Almighty Dollar!  Sounds like you work for Cingular...
Hmmmm? LOL!
John Navas - 17 Feb 2006 20:22 GMT
>It's not that I didn't check it out before I got text messaging for the
>first time, it's that I was already locked into a contract and I needed
>texting.

In other words, you didn't do a good job of anticipating your needs when you
agreed to a two-year contract.  How is that Cingular's fault?

>It's not a "fair" price when you look at what other carriers are
>charging.

Of course it's fair.  Just because it might not be as good a deal doesn't make
it "unfair".  Cingular must have had other advantages or you wouldn't have
signed up.  Are other carriers "unfair" in those areas?

>There's a difference between "giving away the store" and
>"charging fair prices."  And yes, it is greed.

No it's not.

>Capitalism at it's best!
>Worshipping The Almighty Dollar!  Sounds like you work for Cingular...
>Hmmmm? LOL!

Nope.  Just a satisfied paying customer that did his homework *before* he
signed up.

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Me - 17 Feb 2006 20:42 GMT
I've been with Cingular for over SIX years with no problems and I've
been very satisfied. I needed text messaging only recently! It's only
my beef with text messaging... that's IT!

And yes, it is GREED!
Me - 17 Feb 2006 20:44 GMT
Furthermore, because I like Cingular, I don't want to have to switch...
therefore, it would be nice if they could offer a very FAIR price on
text messaging just like other carriers do... that's all!
Your Name Here - 18 Feb 2006 03:45 GMT
Drop your plan down to the cheapest possible,  sign up with Sprint or
Horizion, and try it for 15 days,  Forward your Cingulard phone to the
new phone and see if it works for you?

I went through the same BULLSHIT with Nextel,  and I said F this,
selling the equip on ebay and the way its going I will make more than
enough to have some extra and pay them there termination fee.

I understand your venting about the whole billing and just a bunch of
people on the other end of the line saying yes sir,  but hey either try
what I suggested above, or sell your phones on ebay and eat some loss
and move on to the other companys.

I live in ALbany NY and VERIZON thinks there the dominant,  wrong,
sprint sales have almost doubled in this area, and T Mobile also.

Cingulard is too big now and way too greedy,  there sales reps, 95% dont
give a rats a.s if you buy , move, stay or what ever,  soon you walk out
the door, its money in there pocket.   But if you return the phones like
I did ,  the D357 PTT that are sh.t phones and the service is horrible,
(in my area) than they give you dirty looks especially when you question
the manager on why the phones are poor quality and so on.

In march there are new PTT phones coming out, but the service is NOT
IMHO worth the extra MONEY.

When you call CINGULARD why do you get the message that there
experiencing a high call volume rate?   Cause of people being pissed off
and tired of getting jerked off and LIES.

Ask John Navass he works and or is affiliated with Cingular.

> It's not that I didn't check it out before I got text messaging for the
> first time, it's that I was already locked into a contract and I needed
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> Worshipping The Almighty Dollar!  Sounds like you work for Cingular...
> Hmmmm? LOL!
John Navas - 18 Feb 2006 04:18 GMT
>Ask John Navass he works and or is affiliated with Cingular.

Not affiliated with Cingular in any way.  Sorry.

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GomJabbar - 18 Feb 2006 05:49 GMT
> In other words, you didn't do a good job of anticipating your needs when you
> agreed to a two-year contract.  How is that Cingular's fault?

I consider 2-year contracts Cingular's fault.  That is greediness.  You
find out the service isn't working well for you, then your stuck unless
you want to pay the early termination fee.  In this fast-paced world,
it's hard to know what we will need even a year from now.  If you
aren't willing to sign the 2-year contract, then you have to pay
exorbitant prices for the hardware.  If you want to upgrade your phone
after a year - again you have to pay through the nose.  You have to
wait something like over 20 months before you can upgrade your phone at
near new subscriber prices.  With T-Mobile, you can upgrade in one
year.  My wife just upgraded (she has an existing account) to a new
Motorola Magenta Razor for $75 with T-Mobile.  Won't see anything like
that with Cingular!
John Navas - 18 Feb 2006 07:05 GMT
>> In other words, you didn't do a good job of anticipating your needs when you
>> agreed to a two-year contract.  How is that Cingular's fault?
>
>I consider 2-year contracts Cingular's fault.  That is greediness.

Hardly.  If you don't like it, don't sign it.  Simple.

>You
>find out the service isn't working well for you, then your stuck unless
>you want to pay the early termination fee.

You have a grace period to find that out without risk.

>In this fast-paced world,
>it's hard to know what we will need even a year from now.

Get serious.

>If you
>aren't willing to sign the 2-year contract, then you have to pay
>exorbitant prices for the hardware.  If you want to upgrade your phone
>after a year - again you have to pay through the nose.

No, you either pay retail, or you buy it somewhere else.  There's no right to
a cheap phone without obligation.

>You have to
>wait something like over 20 months before you can upgrade your phone at
>near new subscriber prices.

So what?

>With T-Mobile, you can upgrade in one
>year.  My wife just upgraded (she has an existing account) to a new
>Motorola Magenta Razor for $75 with T-Mobile.  Won't see anything like
>that with Cingular!

Then go with T-Mobile.  Seriously.

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DecaturTxCowboy - 18 Feb 2006 07:13 GMT
> Get serious.

Good advice...use it.
GomJabbar - 18 Feb 2006 13:28 GMT
When I signed on with Cingular, it was because I needed the data
service they offered at the time (EDGE).  T-Mobile only had GPRS back
then (a year ago).  But I am stuck - oh well.  If I had the choice now
(without paying the early termination penalty) I would switch to
Verizon because of their more ubiquitous, superior to EDGE, data
service.  Cingular's UTMS/HSDPA service is not yet available in my
area.  If it did become available soon, I was told at a Cingular store
that I would have to pay retail for a UTMS/HSDPA PC card to use it.  He
said my cost for that card is about $300 - which is about $200 more
than a new subscriber would have to pay.  With treatment like that,
when I get out of my contract I will seriously consider switching
providers.  I may even switch sooner.  I could get a new EVDO card with
Verizon for $50 right now.  The difference in hardware cost would pay
the difference for early cancellation of my data service.  However I
would also have to cancel my voice service to get Verizon's best price.
I may have to look into this further.

I said: "You find out the service isn't working well for you, then your
stuck unless you want to pay the early termination fee."  You replied:
"You have a grace period to find that out without risk."  Not quite.
The risk is there, and it is real.  A short grace period helps but does
not eliminate all the variables that you may encounter.

You say I have no right to a cheap phone without obligation.  With
T-Mobile, that "right" comes very much sooner.  Actually you are
correct in saying that I don't have the "right", but then again I never
claimed that I did - however that doesn't mean I'm not getting screwed.
And that doesn't mean that I have to like it and not complain.  Enough
consumer complaints and maybe things will change.

In regards to my comment "In this fast-paced world, it's hard to know
what we will need even a year from now." you say: "Get serious."  I am
not surprised by this retort, as you "always know" who butter's your
toast.  A sycophant for Cingular if I ever saw one.
John Navas - 18 Feb 2006 14:52 GMT
>When I signed on with Cingular, it was because I needed the data
>service they offered at the time (EDGE).  T-Mobile only had GPRS back
>then (a year ago).  But I am stuck - oh well.  If I had the choice now
>(without paying the early termination penalty) I would switch to
>Verizon because of their more ubiquitous, superior to EDGE, data
>service.

Verizon is EV-DO, not EDGE(EGPRS).  Cingular is EDGE(EGPRS).

>Cingular's UTMS/HSDPA service is not yet available in my
>area.  If it did become available soon, I was told at a Cingular store
>that I would have to pay retail for a UTMS/HSDPA PC card to use it.  He
>said my cost for that card is about $300 - which is about $200 more
>than a new subscriber would have to pay.  With treatment like that,
>...

Treatment like what?  You already got the value of your contract from the
subsidy on your handset(s)!  Why would you expect any carrier to give you
another subsidy for nothing?

>...  A sycophant for Cingular if I ever saw one.

You insult me because I don't agree with you.  Why am I not surprised.

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Jeremy - 18 Feb 2006 14:02 GMT
> I consider 2-year contracts Cingular's fault.  That is greediness.  You
> find out the service isn't working well for you, then your stuck unless
> you want to pay the early termination fee.  In this fast-paced world,
> it's hard to know what we will need even a year from now.  If you
> aren't willing to sign the 2-year contract, then you have to pay
> exorbitant prices for the hardware.

It is easy to characterize carriers as greedy when they ask users to sign
contracts, but that is an unbalanced view.  Much as I've castigated Cingular
recently, there is another side to the contract issue, and it bears telling
and discussing.

Let's start with a little bit of history.  In 1971 I inquired of New Jersey
Bell how to obtain Mobile Telephone Service (that is, the ORIGINAL MTS, with
the big transceiver in the trunk of the car--cellular hadn't yet been
invented).  They replied that there was a two-year waiting list, because
there were only a handful of frequencies allocated, and each frequency was
tied up whenever a single conversation was carried.  The monthly service fee
was $225.00 JUST TO HAVE A PHONE NUMBER.  (This was 1971 dollars!)  I don't
recall what the "per-minute" or long distance charges were, but they had to
be at least a few dollars per minute.

Enter cellular.  My first bag phone, from Cellular One, had a monthly charge
several times higher than I pay now, and there were no free minutes, as I
recall. Roaming rates applied if my calls originated or terminated in even
the next county--$.99 per minute.

When AT&T Wireless appeared on the scene, I began using an Ericsson LX-100
digital handset and received a huge roam-free calling area, relative to what
Cellular One gave me.  I was paying about $100 per month.

Later ATTWS offered free minutes and free N/W, with free long distance, at a
still cheaper price.  I got three lines, at $29.99 apiece, and I signed a
one year term agreement.  ATTWS had a base plan with NO free minutes and a
minimum monthly fee, just to cover the cost of reserving the number in the
customer's name, with a $.75 per minute charge.  No contract.  No free
phone.  Hardly anybody bought it.

Those customers that entered into a term agreement got freebies.  They had a
$20/month plan with 40 anytime minutes (less than $.75 times 40).  They had
the Digital One Rate plan at $29.99, with 250 minutes, free N/W, free
incoming text, and a subsidized phone.

The deal was straightforward: the customer agreed to provide the carrier
with a minimum monthly income for a specific period of time, and the carrier
offered deep discounts off its base prices.  Considering that the long
distance was free, I was able to drop AT&T Reach Out America on my home line
($10.00 for the first 60 minutes, then $7.80 per hour thereafter) and I came
out ahead.  In fact, my long distance savings more than paid for my wireless
service.  Not bad, in exchange for a 12 month term.

With number portability came two-year terms, but heavy night/weekend users
still get a deal that is not likely to be beaten from their landline
carrier.  And cellular call quality is superior to VoIP services like
Vonage, where there are latency issues and breakup of sound (Fortune
Magazine recently did an article on Vonage, and revealed that 25% of their
customers leave each year, dissatisfied over the performance versus Vonage's
advertising claims.  Vonage spends a fortune on advertising just to attract
replacements for those customers.  It hasn't turned one cent in profit.
Clearly, this cannot go on.)

The handsets themselves, if they were not subsidized, would cost upwards of
$200.00 apiece.  Just look at the prices charged for walkie-talkies at Radio
Shack.

The key to controlling costs is to avoid all those value-added features.
Make calls in the free periods.  Don't treat text messaging like it is a
mobile version of Instant Messenger, because it's not.  How many people
really need Internet access or television shows on their mobile phones?
And, if you must have those extra goodies, please don't moan and whine when
the bill comes.

Where can one go and participate in a communications network that took years
to create, and billions of dollars to build, and more millions of dollars to
maintain--all for under $50 per month?  Looking back at the prices that were
formerly charged, I'd opt for a term agreement anytime.  All it takes to get
out of one is to pay the ETF--essentially paying the carrier back for the
retail price of the subsidized phone--and one is free to walk.

As an alternative, there are pay-as-you-go plans that, even though they
offer much less than the term plans, still are much better than one would
have paid for cellular service as recently as a decade ago.  But it is
inappropriate to compare the relative merits of such a plan to those offered
to serious customers that commit to a guaranteed revenue stream for the
carrier.  The pay-as-you-go plans probably represent the least stable class
of customers for any carrier--the 20% of their customer base that causes 80%
of their revenue difficulties.

It still amazes me that someone that is chargeoff all over town can get
wireless service at all.  Seen from that perspective, wireless is a bargain.

What I find offensive about Cingular in particular is their habit of
insisting upon a new two-year agreement at every opportunity,  Posters have
complained that even slight changes to their service were conditioned upon
re-upping.  I have the answer for that, too: leave Cingular like I did.
Vote with your feet.
John Navas - 18 Feb 2006 14:56 GMT
>With number portability came two-year terms,

2-year terms actually came from people not staying long enough to compensate
carriers for hefty equipment subsidies without them.

>....  Seen from that perspective, wireless is a bargain.

It's a bargain from any perspective.

>What I find offensive about Cingular in particular is their habit of
>insisting upon a new two-year agreement at every opportunity,  Posters have
>complained that even slight changes to their service were conditioned upon
>re-upping.  ...

That's simply untrue -- Cingular allows you to change your rate plan and
features without changing the contract term.

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Scott - 18 Feb 2006 16:48 GMT
> It's a bargain from any perspective.

Please refrain from unsubstantiated and uneducated opinion- please cite
credible evidence.
GomJabbar - 18 Feb 2006 17:46 GMT
John Navas wrote:
> Verizon is EV-DO, not EDGE(EGPRS).  Cingular is EDGE(EGPRS).

DOH!

You spew so much verbage that you have forgotten our previous long
discussions regarding Verizon's EV-DO and Cingular's EDGE service. :~0

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.cingular/browse_thread/thread/918268
8437fb4bf4/910c9c2b76c71fb9

Anonymous - 18 Feb 2006 15:52 GMT
[snip]

>Considering that the long distance was free, I was able to drop AT&T
>Reach Out America on my home line

I long ago dumped having long-distance (it cost just to have it even
if you don't use it at all) on my landline because of the free
long-distance on my cellphone.

Elmo P. Shagnasty - 18 Feb 2006 16:37 GMT
> I long ago dumped having long-distance (it cost just to have it even
> if you don't use it at all) on my landline because of the free
> long-distance on my cellphone.

Not all long distance is that way.

You should have LD service on your phone so you can use it just in case.  
Just don't get a LD service that makes you pay no matter what.  That's
easy enough to do.
Anonymous - 18 Feb 2006 20:25 GMT
>You should have LD service on your phone so you can use it just in case.  

Just in case what?  I've never had a situation where I had to make an
"emergency" long-distance call.  Emergency being so urgent it
absolutely couldn't wait for the drive 2 minutes to the 7-11 payphone
and use a calling card/collect call.

>Just don't get a LD service that makes you pay no matter what.  That's
>easy enough to do.

They've already got that:

<http://www.consumer.att.com/callatt/>
Anonymous - 18 Feb 2006 16:10 GMT
>What I find offensive about Cingular in particular is their habit of
>insisting upon a new two-year agreement at every opportunity,

I've had Cingular (was Pacbell) for over 5 years.  Each time I've
resigned a contract it has been for only a one-year term.  And the
reason I've resigned a contract was to get a new phone for a reduced
(subsidized) price.

Sure, the salesman encourage 2-year contracts because their commission
is greater.  But, I've just told them -- I just want a one-year
contract -- and that is basically the end of that conversation.  They
might say, "Well, the phone will be $50.00 more then."  I say "OK" and
that's it.

>Posters have complained that even slight changes to their service were
>conditioned upon re-upping.

That's not been my experience either.  When I have changed plans, I
have never been forced to either (1) enter a new term of contract or
(2) extend my contract length.  Admittedly, I have only changed my
contract twice -- from a local 250 min plan, to the awesome $39.99
Nation Plan (1,000 min with rollover) to, recently, the $49.99 Nation
Plan (1,500 min with NO rollover).

>I have the answer for that, too: leave Cingular like I did.  Vote with
>your feet.

No reason to.  I have been, more or less, happy with Cingular in
general.
Kevin K - 19 Feb 2006 17:09 GMT
> >What I find offensive about Cingular in particular is their habit of
> >insisting upon a new two-year agreement at every opportunity,
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> No reason to.  I have been, more or less, happy with Cingular in
> general.

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I changed my plans a few times when I had ATTWS, even within a month
when it was in my best interest.  Haven't changed my plans since
upgrading to GSM after the Cingular purchase, so I don't have
firsthand knowledge of that.

DecaturTxCowboy - 18 Feb 2006 18:54 GMT
> Let's start with a little bit of history.  In 1971 I inquired of New Jersey
> Bell how to obtain Mobile Telephone Service (that is, the ORIGINAL MTS, with
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> recall what the "per-minute" or long distance charges were, but they had to
> be at least a few dollars per minute.

$225 a month????   Holy Shamoly!!!!  I was paying under $30 a month and
that included the mobile phone and unlimited usage throughout the '70s,
but that was for the URBAN service (VHF 152 MHz channels). I seem to
recall the non-roaming METRO (UHF) was a lot higher and Texas had only
one RURAL low band channel (California had LOTS of them and very little
IMTS. That's why Ironsides in San Fran had to have the MTS mobile
operator place his call).

Even had TWO phones - one for Southwestern Bell MTS/IMTS coverage and
RCC (similar to the "B side" of cellular) coverage.

Typical loading was 50 users per channel, so if a town had 3 channels,
they capped the number of users to 150 or eventually added another
channel. Sure, there were occasional wait times of 30 minutes for a free
channel to call out on, but if you knew how the system worked you could
latch on a free channel sooner.
paul.kell@gmail.com - 05 Mar 2006 10:28 GMT
The problems with vonage aren't just service related but customer
service related....  Read my experiences here:
http://bitterplace.homeip.net:8080/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=117

> > I consider 2-year contracts Cingular's fault.  That is greediness.  You
> > find out the service isn't working well for you, then your stuck unless
[quoted text clipped - 92 lines]
> re-upping.  I have the answer for that, too: leave Cingular like I did.
> Vote with your feet.
jay - 18 Feb 2006 15:06 GMT
What is so evil about making a profit?

If I were to guess you are the type of person that voted John Kerry in the
last election.  You are probably a card carrying member of the ACLU.  You
are scared of global warming and you want Hillary's socialized health care.

There are tons of communist countries that you can move to that may fit into
your ideals.

> It's not that I didn't check it out before I got text messaging for the
> first time, it's that I was already locked into a contract and I needed
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Worshipping The Almighty Dollar!  Sounds like you work for Cingular...
> Hmmmm? LOL!
John Navas - 20 Feb 2006 03:53 GMT
>What is so evil about making a profit?

Nothing.

>If I were to guess you are the type of person that voted John Kerry in the
>last election.

Yep.  No way I'd vote for the idiot that's now President.  ("Be careful what
you wish for!")

>You are probably a card carrying member of the ACLU.

No, but I respect what it does.

>You
>are scared of global warming

At least you got that right!

>and you want Hillary's socialized health care.

Nope.  But I don't want Dubya's help-the-rish program either.

>There are tons of communist countries that you can move to that may fit into
>your ideals.

Not my ideals.  I'm a real Conservative, not a Dubya NeoCon.

>> It's not that I didn't check it out before I got text messaging for the
>> first time, it's that I was already locked into a contract and I needed
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> Worshipping The Almighty Dollar!  Sounds like you work for Cingular...
>> Hmmmm? LOL!

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jay - 20 Feb 2006 18:21 GMT
My message was actually intended for "Me," the original poster of the
thread.

eh, you respect what the aclu does?

I have never heard anyone ever use the word Neocon in its correct meaning.

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> >> Worshipping The Almighty Dollar!  Sounds like you work for Cingular...
> >> Hmmmm? LOL!
John Navas - 21 Feb 2006 16:25 GMT
>My message was actually intended for "Me," the original poster of the
>thread.
>
>eh, you respect what the aclu does?

Yes.

>I have never heard anyone ever use the word Neocon in its correct meaning.

My meaning was consistent with the accepted definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_(United_States)

>> >What is so evil about making a profit?
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>> Not my ideals.  I'm a real Conservative, not a Dubya NeoCon.

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Anonymous - 17 Feb 2006 20:46 GMT
>MEdia Works is $20/month (in my area at least), with 1000 text messages and
>*unlimited* multimedia messages.

Can you "make" a text message (SMS) into a MMS so as to have,
essentially, unlimited SMS?  If so, how?
John Navas - 17 Feb 2006 20:57 GMT
>>MEdia Works is $20/month (in my area at least), with 1000 text messages and
>>*unlimited* multimedia messages.
>
>Can you "make" a text message (SMS) into a MMS so as to have,
>essentially, unlimited SMS?  If so, how?

I can send MMS (multimedia messages) directly from my cell phone (Motorola
V551).  That of course only works when sending to a recipient that can handle
MMS, and do so affordably -- MMS typically costs more than SMS.

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Me - 17 Feb 2006 21:03 GMT
I don't fully understand all of that, but you're the second person
today to mention that. I'm going to investigate this further. Thanks! :)
Bob Fry - 18 Feb 2006 03:47 GMT
>>>>> "Me" == Me  <nobody9@myself.com> writes:
   Me> for only 1000 text messages
   Me> (which we know can easily be surpassed in one month)!

We do??

Jeez that's about 33 a day.
Chris Sweeney - 20 Feb 2006 13:16 GMT
Your friend with Sprint likely gets that because they are on the old if
you have Vision for $15/M you can get unlimited TXT for $5 more.
Verizon only offers unlimted TXT to other Verizon customers for the $5
to non Verizon its only 50 per month.  Verizon's TXT prices are the
exact same as Cingulars and now Sprint currently charges $5 for 100, $8
for 500 and $15 for unlmited.

> Hi All.
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> Me
SMS - 20 Feb 2006 14:01 GMT
> Hi All.
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> Does text messaging use some kind of resources that costs Cingular tons
> of money??  Why do they BLEED people?

Because some people don't care about the cost. Personally I can't
imagine sending that many messages a month, but everyone's needs are
different. I would not even pay $5 per month for messaging. In fact I
had my carrier turn it off, because of the spam messages.
John Navas - 21 Feb 2006 16:27 GMT
>Because some people don't care about the cost. Personally I can't
>imagine sending that many messages a month, but everyone's needs are
>different. I would not even pay $5 per month for messaging. In fact I
>had my carrier turn it off, because of the spam messages.

I've only gotten a few spam messages, and they stopped after I reported them
to the carrier.

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