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Hassle with Cingular Customer Service

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marx404 - 28 Feb 2006 13:05 GMT
What a hassle I had with Cingular! (as usual)
Ever since strating with Cingular, I have had nothing but trouble with my
phones. Getting CS to acknowledge problems is like pulling teeth. First it
was the problems with my Samsung phones, headset compatability. Now, bad
signal, missed and dropped calls, especially since service degraded in
hurricane hit FL. After missing quite a few important calls, I had it and
called Cingular CS to request they exchange my crummy Samsung x427 and x497
phones for a better phone like a Motorola a week of phone calls and getting
passed back and forth with innefective staff at CS and I finally got someone
there who told me to call cancellations and demand to talk to the Customer
Satisfaction Team.

Now, get this, CS doesnt acknowledge such a department, it took 20 min for
the idiot I was talking to to pass me onto the CST. Then an hour and a half
later, they finally agreed to let me purchase new phones at a discount,
basically the internet price.

I should get my new Moto V557 phones next week, but What A Hassle! just to
get a working phone and service that I am already paying for.

marx404
PC Medic - 28 Feb 2006 14:11 GMT
> What a hassle I had with Cingular! (as usual)
> Ever since strating with Cingular, I have had nothing but trouble with my
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> marx404

While I agree the experience may not have been the best example of good
customer service, how can you say "just to get a working phone and service"
when you have not even received the replacement phones yet?
Hopefully your experience with Moto phones will be better than mine and
Cingulars coverage in your area is better than here in Va. Beach!
John Navas - 28 Feb 2006 17:01 GMT
>What a hassle I had with Cingular! (as usual)

I have almost had good experiences with Cingular Customer Service.  I know
from experience that how you approach them is a key factor (just as it is with
most customer service organizations) -- if you want courtesy and respect, then
it's important to treat them with courtesy and respect.

>Ever since strating with Cingular, I have had nothing but trouble with my
>phones. Getting CS to acknowledge problems is like pulling teeth. First it
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>there who told me to call cancellations and demand to talk to the Customer
>Satisfaction Team.

Why didn't you just take advantage of the no risk trial period and return them
without hassle?

>Now, get this, CS doesnt acknowledge such a department, it took 20 min for
>the idiot I was talking to to pass me onto the CST. Then an hour and a half
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>I should get my new Moto V557 phones next week, but What A Hassle! just to
>get a working phone and service that I am already paying for.

There would have been no hassle had you simply returned the phones within the
no risk trial period.  That's not the fault of Cingular.

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Scott - 01 Mar 2006 01:11 GMT
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
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> then
> it's important to treat them with courtesy and respect.

Please provide something more factual than your baseless anecdotal claims.
Cingular has been found in many surveys already mentioned in this group to
have the worst CS of the big 4.  Stick to the facts.
subdude - 01 Mar 2006 15:13 GMT
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>Cingular has been found in many surveys already mentioned in this group to
>have the worst CS of the big 4.  Stick to the facts.

You want factual back up that treating people with courtesy and
respect gets you a lot farther than yelling and threatening?!?!? <BG>

I'd have thought that was self evident....

BTW, how is *his* anecdotal claim any different from the OP's
anecdotal claim?

subdude
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 01 Mar 2006 17:56 GMT
> BTW, how is *his* anecdotal claim any different from the OP's
> anecdotal claim?

It's different because it comes from John Navas--the king of "well,
that's only anecdotal, you need facts to back that up".

So when John Navas comes in with anecdotal evidence, he gets called on
it.

He usually ignores it when it's not to his advantage to respond.
subdude - 03 Mar 2006 14:36 GMT
>> BTW, how is *his* anecdotal claim any different from the OP's
>> anecdotal claim?
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>He usually ignores it when it's not to his advantage to respond.

I'd ignore you too.

In fact,

PLONK!

subdude
Bud Stein - 01 Mar 2006 09:45 GMT
> Ever since strating with Cingular, I have had nothing but trouble with my
> phones . . . demand to talk to the Customer Satisfaction Team.

Marx404,

If the service and phones are not matching the requirements, cancel the
account and find another provider.

Bud Stein
marx404 - 02 Mar 2006 15:18 GMT
ok, first of all apologies for posting before my 1st cup o' joe, second to
put all assumptions and further questions to rest, yes, i did go thru all
the steps, hoops and rings, this didn't suddenly just happen overnight. Its
hard to post 6 mo of transactions in one post and keep it under 5 million
words or less. ;-) Call it a "needed to blow steam" post if you wish.

John Navas is correct that being nice is the best way (and thanx John for
being constructive). I myself work in a retail environment who's motto is
"People First" and we would never have succeeded if we gave customers the
same runaround I have experienced as a Cingular customer.

Threatening to cancell (in a polite way) seems to be the only way to get
serious issues resolved lately unfortunately. all other attempts to resolve
my problem failed. It was only after I (again politely) suggested that I
would be forced to seek another provider that I was passed back and forth
eventually to someone who resolved my problem. It shouldn't have to be that
way, I was in no way in the wrong and thoroughly exhausted all available
avenues and much of my time before resorting to this.

Thanks to all that replied in a constructive manner.
marx404
subdude - 03 Mar 2006 14:55 GMT
>ok, first of all apologies for posting before my 1st cup o' joe, second to
>put all assumptions and further questions to rest, yes, i did go thru all
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>Thanks to all that replied in a constructive manner.
>marx404

I don't even threaten; I just pose the hypothetical question.

Example given (long, read it if you choose <G>):

I bought an MPX220, Cingular branded, which everyone knows by now has
been dropped by everyone and laden with technical issues.  After
replacing the phone 3 times, the last one started to decide not to
charge unless the charger was placed "just so".

Note: no wear and tear, no physical damage to either the male
connecter on the the charger or the female on the phone.  It just
decided to be "fidgety". So i contacted Cingular and was greeeted by a
friendly CSR named Diane - I make a point of this, because I used her
name when addressing her and did so politely.  I asked Diane if she
could help me "Chart the customer service waters to find the best
solution for both of us, keeping me a happy paying customer.."  These
were my actual words, to which she laughed and said "Sure! Let's try
the warantee repair department first, if that doesn't work I have a
few more options available to me."

Each time she transferred me, I thanked her for her time and thanked
the person she transferred me to.  When I was finally transferred to
Customer Save (at my suggestion, and she seemed impressed that I was
aware of the department's existence) the rep there (Kathy) had offered
to commute my contract and offer me a new phone.

As it was a smartphone with a camera and BT, the only suitable
replacements were the 2125 and 8125, and she offered both at the new
contract pricing.  I wanted the 8125 but didn't feel like paying the
full price and said so.  I explained, "Well Kathy, I appreciate the
offer and I'd really like to move up to the 8125 as I believe that's
the best exchange for the MPX, but I don't understand why a customer
who: 1. bought a phone that was obviously so flawed that you stopped
selling it a few months after introducing it, 2. had to endure 3-4
exchanges and firmware revisions and most importantly, 3. has been a
loyal customer, always paying on time should get the same discount as
a stranger off the street.  Isn't the function of the Customer Save
department to reward and retain such loyal customers?"

I not only got the phone, I got a $150 credit on my bill to offset the
phone's cost.  I thanked all involved for their efforts and took the
deal.  Had I been impatient, abusive or impolite, I doubt seriously
that the complaint would have been resolved to my satisfaction.  I was
happy, feeling that I was an important customer to them and was gklad
to have this great new phone.

Diane and Kathy, went on their day thinking that maybe being a CSR
*didn't* suck and feeling that they did their jobs and saved a client
for the company.

Everyone's happy!

subdude
Jeremy - 03 Mar 2006 16:11 GMT
> Diane and Kathy, went on their day thinking that maybe being a CSR
> *didn't* suck and feeling that they did their jobs and saved a client
> for the company.
>
> Everyone's happy!

While they may have made YOU happy--something I have absolutely no problem
with--the fact remains that Cingular does not treat other customers as well.
Cingular might be able to accommodate a handful of individuals, but their
treatment of other blocks of customers (I am most familiar with their
treatment of former ATTWS customers that were/are on TDMA) does not reflect
the way they treated you.

I'm happy that you're satisfied, and I wish that my own experiences with
Cingular were as positive as yours were.  The fact that so many of us
have/are/will leave Cingular speaks volumes about how they are perceived.
John Navas - 03 Mar 2006 18:12 GMT
>...  The fact that so many of us
>have/are/will leave Cingular speaks volumes about how they are perceived.

Nonsense.

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subdude - 04 Mar 2006 14:58 GMT
>> Diane and Kathy, went on their day thinking that maybe being a CSR
>> *didn't* suck and feeling that they did their jobs and saved a client
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>Cingular were as positive as yours were.  The fact that so many of us
>have/are/will leave Cingular speaks volumes about how they are perceived.

I think you might be forgetting the fact that usually, when people are
satisifed with a service, they don't go out of their way to post this
fact in a newsgroup.

However, when someone is pissed, they'll tell anyone who'll listen!

subdude
Jeremy - 04 Mar 2006 15:04 GMT
>>> Diane and Kathy, went on their day thinking that maybe being a CSR
>>> *didn't* suck and feeling that they did their jobs and saved a client
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> subdude

True, but didn't I read somewhere that they stand to lose 12 million former
ATTWS customers?  That is one helluva loss!
John Navas - 04 Mar 2006 16:36 GMT
>True, but didn't I read somewhere that they stand to lose 12 million former
>ATTWS customers?  ...

No.

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Scott - 04 Mar 2006 17:06 GMT
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> No.

How do you know, Novice?
subdude - 04 Mar 2006 19:22 GMT
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>How do you know, Novice?

How *either* of you know? I saw no citing of published facts.

You *could* say that Microsoft stands to lose 2.5 billion customers to
Linux.  Potential is not the same as fact.

subdude
Jeremy - 05 Mar 2006 00:33 GMT
>>> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>>>
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>
> subdude

I stated clearly that I read something somewhere--I do not know how credible
it is, and I expressed it as a question, not as a statement of fact.

Given the many complaints I've heard about Cingular, I tend to believe it is
true.
 
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