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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Cingular / November 2006New Phone/Which One
I am about to buy a new phone and wanted to get some input. I am wanting to get a PDA or possibly a smartphone. Right now I am looking at possibly the Samsung Blackjack, Treo 680 and Blackberry Pearl. I will mainly be using the phone for email and text messaging and internet and of course calls. Thanks. SH It is alleged that shadow claimed: > I am about to buy a new phone and wanted to get some input. I am wanting to > get a PDA or possibly a smartphone. Right now I am looking at possibly the > Samsung Blackjack, Treo 680 and Blackberry Pearl. I will mainly be using > the phone for email and text messaging and internet and of course calls. Get the Treo.  SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Tips for the Evil Henchman: 25. There is no need to yell when you are attacking the Hero. Especially when you're doing it from behind. >It is alleged that shadow claimed: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Get the Treo. Brand new, and I personally think it's better to wait until the early bugs are found and fixed. SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS: John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> Ok, now why did you choose the Treo 680 over the Blackberry Pearl. Is it the operating system or user interface, etc. I looked at the Nokia E62 and it is a nice phone. But I was wanting something a little smaller. I really like the Blackjack but that battery life issue is what is holding me back on it. Thanks. SH It is alleged that SAH claimed: > Ok, now why did you choose the Treo 680 over the Blackberry Pearl. Is it > the operating system or user interface, etc. I looked at the Nokia E62 and > it is a nice phone. But I was wanting something a little smaller. I really > like the Blackjack but that battery life issue is what is holding me back on > it. Thanks. I don't think John has a Treo, I think he has a Motorola something. I have a Treo 650, but I don't yet qualify for an upgrade price so I'm probably going to wait a few more months before upgrading to the 680. I went with the Treo when I switched carriers, I was using a Kyocera PalmOS smartphone before, and a Sony Clie PDA before that. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #9. I will not include a self-destruct mechanism unless absolutely necessary. If it is necessary, it will not be a large red button labeled "Danger: Do Not Push". The big red button marked "Do Not Push" will instead trigger a spray of bullets on anyone stupid enough to disregard it. Similarly, the ON/OFF switch will not clearly be labeled as such. >It is alleged that SAH claimed: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >went with the Treo when I switched carriers, I was using a Kyocera >PalmOS smartphone before, and a Sony Clie PDA before that. I've used the Treo 650 extensively. SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS: John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> It is alleged that John Navas claimed: > >I don't think John has a Treo, I think he has a Motorola something. I > >have a Treo 650, but I don't yet qualify for an upgrade price so I'm [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I've used the Treo 650 extensively. I sit corrected. :) SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "I merely note, if you want to catch something, running after it isn't always the best way." (Miles Vorkosigan [Lois McMaster Bujold, "The Mountains of Mourning"]) > I am about to buy a new phone and wanted to get some input. I am wanting to > get a PDA or possibly a smartphone. Right now I am looking at possibly the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SH I just got a Nokia E62 and like it a lot. It is great for the purposes you state. The only drawback is no camera. CNET has a good review. Dave >> I am about to buy a new phone and wanted to get some input. I am wanting to >> get a PDA or possibly a smartphone. Right now I am looking at possibly the >> Samsung Blackjack, Treo 680 and Blackberry Pearl. I will mainly be using >> the phone for email and text messaging and internet and of course calls. >I just got a Nokia E62 and like it a lot. It is great for the purposes >you state. > >The only drawback is no camera. ... I personally consider that a plus! I don't want to waste money buying a crappy camera I won't use, and that won't be allowed into some of my more security-minded clients. My main objection is the form factor. SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS: John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> Of those, I would recommend the Treo... If mobile Internet is important you may want to hold out a few months for Cingular's upcomming 8525: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/24/cingular-8525-spotted-again/ Since it will be a "G3" enabled Pocket PC phone, it will potentially have much fast download speeds than the current EDGE enabled Smartphones and PDA Cingular offers Don't let the Cingular brand name fool you, the 8525 will be an HTC product rebranded, they produce quality phones and PDAs.... If you want to save some money and you're ok with EDGE speeds and you're looking to sign a new contract, keep an eye out for special offers on the Cingular 8125 PDA, the 8525 is its replacement and Cingular will probably be doing special promotional discounts... After the 8525 is released, the 8125's will probably be available for 1/2 off on EBay. This happend with the Audiovox SMT5600 Smartphone (still a great phone), when it's replacement, the Cingular 2125 was released in early 2006. > I am about to buy a new phone and wanted to get some input. I am wanting to > get a PDA or possibly a smartphone. Right now I am looking at possibly the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SH >Don't let the Cingular brand name fool you, the 8525 will be an HTC >product rebranded, they produce quality phones and PDAs.... All is not roses -- there are many hassles with HTC phones. See <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/XV6700.htm> SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS: John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> > All is not roses -- there are many hassles with HTC phones. > See <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/XV6700.htm> What hassles? The page you sited lists a few helpful, though certainly not mandatory, tweaks. Certainly not something to indict an entire brand of excellent WinMo phones! SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> All is not roses -- there are many hassles with HTC phones. >> See <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/XV6700.htm> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >The page you sited lists a few helpful, though certainly not mandatory, >tweaks. I advise lurkers to read it for themselves -- it actually details a great deal of hassle: How I setup a Verizon XV6700 PDA phone without going insane. ... The XV6700, out of the box from Verizon requires considerable updating and hacking TO BE CONSIDERED FUNCTIONAL. [emphasis added] This was not my idea of a good OOBE (out of box experience) ... ... I've chatted with the author, and he was pretty unhappy about the setup experience. >Certainly not something to indict an entire brand of excellent WinMo >phones! Based on the above and other feedback, I personally consider them works in progress, suitable for geeks, but not really ready for prime time. SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS: John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> > I advise lurkers to read it for themselves -- it actually details a > great deal of hassle: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > updating and hacking TO BE CONSIDERED FUNCTIONAL. [emphasis > added] ...considered functional by THE GUY WHO WROTE THE WEBPAGE! (Emphasis, as well as text, mine!) > This was not my idea of a good OOBE (out of box > experience) ... > ... As an owner of the GSM version of essentially the same phone, and none of his problems, it sounds like his problems could be with Verizon's customizations than HTC's actual hardware. (My MDA didn't have volume issues, nor was the AKU2 upgrade necessary to make the phone "functional" although it did add push e-mail.) > > I've chatted with the author, and he was pretty unhappy about the setup > experience. While I certainly prefer my MDA "tweaked" it was certainly "functional" before the AKU2 ROM and before I ever attacked it with a registry editor! > >Certainly not something to indict an entire brand of excellent WinMo > >phones! > > Based on the above and other feedback, I personally consider them works > in progress, suitable for geeks, but not really ready for prime time. Depends on your expectations I suppose- I visited a close friend of the family for Thanksgiving and found she'd recently upgraded to a Cingular 8125. She is no geek- she hasn't performed a ROM upgrade, or even added any 3rd party software, but loves the unit "out of the box" for it's Outlook PIM and e-mail capabilities. I was tempted to do the AKU2 upgrade for her, and suggest a bunch of (IMO "necessary") registry tweaks but decided if she's happy with the device as-is, why should I screw that up? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>Don't let the Cingular brand name fool you, the 8525 will be an HTC >>product rebranded, they produce quality phones and PDAs.... > > All is not roses -- there are many hassles with HTC phones. > See <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/XV6700.htm> The above link produces a UTC Starcom review not a HTC Hermes review. I don't think there is a comparison except for "TC" in both names. I picked up my 8525 six days ago. I'll have to admit I was overwhelmed, rather than underwhelmed and I've been designing systems for cellular devices for 47 months. There are so many features, I couldn't grok in a day. My first complaint was the weight, but I adjusted quickly. The size is a good balance between screen and capabilities. The slideout keyboard, for me, is perfect. I'd like a little more room for the soft keys on the slideout keyboard, but unlike Bonnie on CNet, I don't have long fingernails. Most of DFW has 3G in place. Many sites pause a little when accessing a URL for the first time, but then downloads sometimes are so fast as to be scary. The only Wi-Fi spots I found were locked. On a 3 day business trip, I used the Telenav routing option with a Holux SiRF III Bluetooth GPS. When it's working, it's correct to feet, but when it doesn't work, it's a pain to deduce a way to restart. I'll test PDA based maps next, rather than thin client routing. The best thing about Telenav is it's error recovery. If you stray ~100 feet from 'trak', it alarms, then immediately downloads a new route. While voice reception was chopped inside a cabin in Uncertain, Texas, a walk out the dock to about 50 feet over the swamp produced a 'G' connection with email and Internet browser working as well as EDGE in the DFW metroplex. You can debate the Palm OS vs Mobile 5 etc., but the bottom line for me is I can spend 5 minutes with a Windows user, then walk away knowing they will get some immediate productivity. The most confusion for me was the camera. I have two digital cameras. The 8525 camera supports 2Mp stills, video, action snaps, stitching, zoom, borders, ........ It took me a day to become comfortable. The downside is the macro/normal switch tends to move from handling resulting in blurred pictures detectable with review. With this kind of detail, some products claim OCR capability of printed sheets. I'll be testing that this weekend. You get >4X power from the 8525 for $200 more than a Blackjack. It all comes down to wants and needs. Thurman AM Services, Inc. > The above link produces a UTC Starcom review not a HTC Hermes review. I > don't think there is a comparison except for "TC" in both names. ...and the fact that HTC accually builds the Starcom-branded unit, much like they built your "Cingular"-branded one... SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> The above link produces a UTC Starcom review not a HTC Hermes review. I >> don't think there is a comparison except for "TC" in both names. > > ...and the fact that HTC accually builds the Starcom-branded unit, much > like they built your "Cingular"-branded one... I learned something; thanks! >>>Don't let the Cingular brand name fool you, the 8525 will be an HTC >>>product rebranded, they produce quality phones and PDAs.... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >The above link produces a UTC Starcom review not a HTC Hermes review. I >don't think there is a comparison except for "TC" in both names. My experience is that this is fairly typical of HTC smartphones. SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS: John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> It is alleged that John Navas claimed: > My experience is that this is fairly typical of HTC smartphones. IIRC, HTC is one of the OEM manufacturers Palm uses to actually produce their equipment. Part of the info on the 680 is that Palm is using a different OEM manufacturer. I think the 600, 650 and 700 are all actually made by HTC. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "I merely note, if you want to catch something, running after it isn't always the best way." (Miles Vorkosigan [Lois McMaster Bujold, "The Mountains of Mourning"]) >It is alleged that John Navas claimed: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I think the 600, 650 and 700 are all actually made by HTC. There's a big difference between Palm design and HTC (Windows Mobile) design, and the issue I'm raising is about design, not manufacture. SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS: John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> There are many devices that will do what you want. As opposed to taking the biased opinions of those who own particular devices you may want to stop by a Cingular store and check the look / feel for yourself. I personally own a Treo 700w on Verizon and a Razr on Cingular ... and if I'm not at all impressed with the Treo. To add my biased opinion to your confusion ... I would go with a device that has WiFi built in to minimize the data plan required. My Treo is a company phone and it has an unlimited data plan which I think is unnecessary for a personal phone. >I am about to buy a new phone and wanted to get some input. I am wanting >to get a PDA or possibly a smartphone. Right now I am looking at possibly [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SH >To add my biased opinion to your confusion ... I would go with a device that >has WiFi built in to minimize the data plan required. My Treo is a company >phone and it has an unlimited data plan which I think is unnecessary for a >personal phone. Depends on the price and how much you use it. My Cingular unlimited data package, which is invaluable to me, costs only $20/month, and works virtually everywhere. Wi-Fi would cost me more for much less coverage. SignatureBest regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS: John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ> |
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