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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Cingular / November 2003Question about GSM and TMDA
HI; i'm getting ready to upgrade my phone(s) and need some help from ya'all. I have a TMDA (Motorola v60T) phone and the old nation plan (300 anytime, no roaming, $29). I am thinking about buying a GSM phone and adding my wife's phone as well. My question is: will I ONLY be able to use the GSM networks? If I buy a phone capable of both TMDA and GSM and have a GSM plan will I still be able to use the TMDA network too? What do you guys suggest? I travel about once a month in the US, want a phone for my wife, don't want to pay roaming and would like to have roll-over minutes. Thanks Jack It sounds to me that you would need a GAIT (Nokia 6340i or Sony-Ericsson), with the (GAIT) Nation Plan, which does have roll-over minutes, with no roaming. You and your wife would need separate plans (can be on the same account), as Cingular does not offer Family Talk with the Nation Plans. As far as the GAIT phones go, I would recommend the Nokia 6340i, as I have had mine since April 2003, and I am very satisfied with it. I am able to use the phone wherever there is cell phone service, whether it be GSM, TDMA, or even AMPS. Have a good one,  SignatureMark A. Smith > HI; > i'm getting ready to upgrade my phone(s) and need some help from ya'all. I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks > Jack I would think that you would want a GAIT phone. I just upgraded to the 6340i. I think that there are a few problems with the phone, but I didn't like the looks of the Sony Erickson, which was the other option. If you go to the GSM phone, as most of the sexier models are, you are limited to the very skinny GSM network. At least in Missouri, where I am located, we had the option of selecting some other TDMA/Analog phones, which didn't allow the GSM coverage. I'm not sure if I made the best choice. This phone seems to work no better than the 3360 that it replaced, but no worse either. Once in a while it does some funky things looking for a signal, but other than that it is OK. We actually have three of these phones now, as I upgraded my two kids about six months ago. My daughter has had some problems with hers, but it does work. Good luck. Phil > HI; > i'm getting ready to upgrade my phone(s) and need some help from ya'all. I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks > Jack First of all, the GAIT phone is a "bridge" phone until they complete the gsm build out-switching from GSM to TDMA . The only real disadvantage is that your call drops if you are moving while on a GSM call and the nearest handoff tower is a tdma-and vice-versa. GSM channels handle 3 times the number of simultaneous calls as a TDMA channel so Cingular is anxious to complete the GSM rollout. If you travel inside the U.S. you may be better served by the GAIT phone. On GSM you can get a Family Talk Nations Plan and avoid roaming charges but the GAIT phone is limited to the Preferred Nations Plan which only avoids roaming charges if you are on the Cingular network-ie: a cingular tower. Visit www.cingular.com. Of the two GAIT phones, there are far fewer complaints on the Nokia 6340i than the Sony-Ericsson T62u. The hard rollout of GSM should be completed by the end of the year. The signal radius of a GSM tower is 14 miles-a little smaller than the TDMA towers. The other incentive for Cingular is that GSM is the world standard and most Cingular phones operate at both 1800mhz and 1900mhz GSM giving them ready access to the world market. Investing in a GSM phone is your best bet if you travel outside the US. usa001 > HI; > i'm getting ready to upgrade my phone(s) and need some help from ya'all. I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks > Jack >The other incentive for Cingular is that GSM is the >world standard and most Cingular phones operate at both 1800mhz and 1900mhz >GSM giving them ready access to the world market. Investing in a GSM phone >is your best bet if you travel outside the US. cingular does *not* use 1800 Mhz. No US carrier does. cingular operates at 1900 and 850/800 Mhz. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com >>The other incentive for Cingular is that GSM is the >>world standard and most Cingular phones operate at both 1800mhz and 1900mhz >>GSM No they don't!!! It amazes me at the stupid statements that are made in this newsgroup! -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >>>The other incentive for Cingular is that GSM is the >>>world standard and most Cingular phones operate at both 1800mhz and 1900mhz >>>GSM > >No they don't!!! It amazes me at the stupid statements that are made in this >newsgroup! Pot/kettle/black - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com >>>The other incentive for Cingular is that GSM is the >>>world standard and most Cingular phones operate at both 1800mhz and 1900mhz >>>GSM I don't care what they use in Europe and Asia. GSM here is skeletal and useless in remote areas. I'll stick to TDMA and AMPS for at least another 5 years. > No they don't!!! It amazes me at the stupid statements that are made in this > newsgroup! > I don't care what they use in Europe and Asia. GSM here is skeletal and > useless in remote areas. I'll stick to TDMA and AMPS for at least > another 5 years. Believe it or not, company I'm working for just gave a Motorola 3 Watt bag phone for my truck! Good thinking...its the only phone that works reliably in the hilly countryside out here. >> I don't care what they use in Europe and Asia. GSM here is skeletal and >> useless in remote areas. I'll stick to TDMA and AMPS for at least [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >bag phone for my truck! Good thinking...its the only phone that works >reliably in the hilly countryside out here. And who will they use to activate service? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com > First of all, the GAIT phone is a "bridge" phone until they complete the gsm > build out-switching from GSM to TDMA . May be a very long "bridge" depending on how long it takes partner carriers to convert if ever. *I* suspect we *will* see more GAIT models before this mess is over. > served by the GAIT phone. On GSM you can get a Family Talk Nations Plan and > avoid roaming charges but the GAIT phone is limited to the Preferred Nations > Plan which only avoids roaming charges if you are on the Cingular > network-ie: a cingular tower. Visit www.cingular.com. Of the two GAIT There is no "Preferred" Nations plan any more at least not ordered from Dallas. There is a "Cingular Nation GSM" and a "Cingular Nation". The "Cingular Nation" requires a GAIT phone but there is NO roaming charges regardless of carrier. Also included--long distance, rollover minutes, and night&weekend minutes--but no family plan. Compare the maps for the two nations plans--counting the "future coverage" on the GSM-only plan--the difference is TDMA/AMPS only PARTNERS--and you can see why I say GAIT will be around for awhile. SignatureJud Dallas TX USA >>First of all, the GAIT phone is a "bridge" phone until they complete the gsm >>build out-switching from GSM to TDMA . > > May be a very long "bridge" depending on how long it takes partner > carriers to convert if ever. *I* suspect we *will* see more GAIT models > before this mess is over. From my experience and knowledge of who can do contracting, I'd say that 10-15 crews could be deployed in the U.S. at any given time from companies that have the necessary RF test equipment and experience. It takes 6-8 hours to convert a site over to GSM. It would take those crews at least a month to convert an area the size of Kansas to GSM. Of course there are some variables above (other than the 6-8 hours per site), but at least it should give you an idea that the entire U.S. isn't going to be convert in less than a year and could be done within 3 years. > From my experience and knowledge of who can do contracting, I'd say > that 10-15 crews could be deployed in the U.S. at any given time from [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > U.S. isn't going to be convert in less than a year and could be done > within 3 years. That 6 to 8 hour figure would be reasonable if they already have the modular units to replace the ones currently in service. And all they would be doing is a switch out. Which wouldn't be the norm. You have to factor in lead time and everything else. You have to get your suppliers to come up with units to fit the racks that is already present at the site, and the units would have to be compatible with the equipment that is already at the site. Otherwise, you would have to change all the auxiliary equipment to suite the new modules, which would easily take a day or more. Then you have to wait for the suppliers to produce the equipment. If you can't get units that can be installed in the pre existing racks, or you have a few sites that have one of a kind equipment that would be too costly to build equipment for. (ie)proprietary design. Then you have to rip out the hardware and control equipment and start from scratch. If the control equipment is located in an immobile structure, then it could take days for a team to finish the switch out. and the cell site would be off line for most of that time. If the site is located in a movable prefab enclosure, then it would be quicker to disconnect the enclosure from the tower and remove it. Then bring a new preprepared unit in a hook it back up. It would take one night to do, with a few days lead time to build the new unit off site. >> From my experience and knowledge of who can do contracting, I'd say >>that 10-15 crews could be deployed in the U.S. at any given time from [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Which wouldn't be the norm. That's correct, I didn't review what I posted as one of my dogs started to pee on one of my tool boxes. At any rate, it ain't gonna be all done by this spring. > May be a very long "bridge" depending on how long it takes partner > carriers to convert if ever. *I* suspect we *will* see more GAIT models > before this mess is over. I wonder if the temporary bridge may become a permanent one. Like the wooden bridges across the streams around here. They put them in and kept saying that they was only temporary. They was going to put in new concrete bridges in a while. Well..... 10 years have passed, and we are still driving over the same wooden bridges. Sometimes, if something works good, it's just easier to leave it alone. I also wonder if GAIT will evolve. (ie)a GAIT "like" phone that also has CDMA. Then add 900 and 1800 to it, then you have a true world phone. 850, 900, 1800, 1900 gsm 850 amps 850, 1900 tdma 850, 1900 cdma Now that would be a kick a$$ phone. And I wonder if they would ever offer A GAIT phone on a nation wide prepaid plan. :-) |
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