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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Cingular / November 2003Cingular to acquire somebody?
Found this article on RCR Wireless this morning.. http://rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=16022 "Merger rumors have been circulating for years concerning the nation's three GSM-based carriers-Cingular, AT&T Wireless Services Inc. and T-Mobile USA Inc., with many analysts noting a deal between two if not all three would help alleviate competitive pressure in the market. T-Mobile USA was often regarded as the most likely to be acquired due to its smallest player position, but recent comments by its parent company Deutsche Telekom AG and strong quarterly performance has quelled that possibility. The most recent industry buzz has Cingular acquiring AT&T Wireless, which would result in a strong nationwide presence with both cellular and PCS licenses serving more than 40 million subscribers. " Very interesting indeed. > Found this article on RCR Wireless this morning.. > http://rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=16022 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Very interesting indeed. The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular. The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut. The only major place they would have to sell is cingular's property in Florida. That would most likely go to Alltel, because Alltel already owns the other half of the Florida properties on the B band. And one or two CMAs in Texas, and you have a clean cut. Then put all the PCS licenses together, and you have something to talk about. Native coverage would make verizon look sick by comparison. > The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular. > The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Native coverage would make verizon look sick by comparison. But...didn't the FCC lift the spectrum cap rules? AD > > The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular. > > The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > But...didn't the FCC lift the spectrum cap rules? The cap rules don't affect the 800Mhz cell band. One carrier can still only own one of the two licenses in a CMA. If they merge, where they own both of them, then they are forced to sell off one of the licenses. That doesn't have anything to do with the towers and network equipment. They can keep all that and put all of it on the band they are keeping. > > > The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular. > > > The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > If they merge, where they own both of them, > then they are forced to sell off one of the licenses. Edit..........from the FCC. ............................................. The FCC eliminated the cellular cross-interest rule in MSAs in recognition that the cellular carriers in these areas no longer enjoy significant first-mover advantages. The FCC retained the cellular cross-interest rule in RSAs because cellular incumbents generally continue to dominate the market in those areas. However, the FCC noted it will entertain - and be inclined to grant - waivers of the rule for those RSAs that exhibit market conditions under which cellular cross-interests may also be permissible without significant likelihood of substantial competitive harm. ............................................... So the only ones they have to sell off are the RSAs they own. > The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular. > The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Native coverage would make verizon look sick by comparison. Something else that I thought of -- Cingular doesn't seem to be doing much with EDGE, but AT&T WS does...might that indicate something? AD > > The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular. > > The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That would most likely go to Alltel, because Alltel already > > owns the other half of the Florida properties on the B band. Acquiring Cingular or ATT might not be a good fit for Alltel as it is CDMA .  SignatureThomas M. Goethe > > > The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular. > > > The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Acquiring Cingular or ATT might not be a good fit for Alltel as it is > CDMA . That is if you assume that cingular sells the equipment with the license. Cingular can keep their B side equipment and move it to the A band to reinforce ATT already decent network. If I was cingular, that is what I would do. Alltel would have to start from scratch on coverage. >>>>The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular. >>>>The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Alltel would have to start from scratch on coverage. Why would it make more sense to sell Cingular's B license than AT&T A license? AD > Why would it make more sense to sell Cingular's B license than AT&T A > license? To eliminate any fractured coverage. Where a company's coverage comes up against the territory of a neighboring company, they have to keep their signal below a specified level in the neighboring territory, to minimize interference to the neighbor. If you own both licenses, then you can saturate the border, with no gaps in coverage. ATT has a license map in Florida that is worth a lot. Almost complete coverage on one band. If you kept cingular's licenses, then the west side of Florida would be covered on the A side, and the east side(minus one CMA) would be covered on the B side, There would be a band fracture down the middle of the state. You would have to fight the neighbor to the east on the A band and the neighbor to the west on the B band. And anyone that crosses over the gap will have to put up with dropped calls, and missed calls. Anyone that lives in that gap will be stuck with marginal service. If you keep it all to one side, the only "on band" neighbor you have to work with is yourself. Fractured service is something companies have to live with because of the broken up licensing method, but it is something that should be avoided at substantial cost. > > > > The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular. > > > > The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > That is if you assume that cingular sells the equipment with the license. Thought the idea was Cingular buys Alltel. If so, that gives them an analog/TDMA/GSM/CDMA network. Sounds like a major hassle. The most logical approach would be to switch everything to GSM at this point in Cingular's life and that means converting the Alltel system to GSM. > Cingular can keep their B side equipment and move it to the A band to > reinforce ATT already decent network. > If I was cingular, that is what I would do. > > Alltel would have to start from scratch on coverage. If Singular bought Alltel, then there would be no Alltel. SignatureThomas M. Goethe > > That is if you assume that cingular sells the equipment with the license. > > Thought the idea was Cingular buys Alltel. If so, that gives them an > analog/TDMA/GSM/CDMA network. Sounds like a major hassle. The most logical > approach would be to switch everything to GSM at this point in Cingular's > life and that means converting the Alltel system to GSM. Uhhhh........ hold it one second here............... How did "cigular buying Alltel" get into the discussion? (looks at earlier post.......) No no no...... I am not talking about Alltel buying cingular. I was saying that it would be ideal for Alltel to buy the Florida licenses that the new "cigular ATT" couldn't keep if they merged. > > Alltel would have to start from scratch on coverage. > > If Singular bought Alltel, then there would be no Alltel. I don't think Alltel will merge with anyone, any time soon. Ah, we are then on the same wavelength :-) SignatureThomas M. Goethe > > > That is if you assume that cingular sells the equipment with the > license. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I don't think Alltel will merge with anyone, any time soon. > Found this article on RCR Wireless this morning.. >http://rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=16022 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >would result in a strong nationwide presence with both cellular and PCS >licenses serving more than 40 million subscribers. " yet another reason to choose verizon....geez > yet another reason to choose verizon....geez I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at... I larger native service area would seem to benefit Cingular subscribers > > yet another reason to choose verizon....geez > > I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at... I larger native service > area would seem to benefit Cingular subscribers The verizon supporters say that you should use verizon because it's the biggest and best network. And when another company has a chance of taking those positions, they say that you should use the competitor (verizon) because the company is to big and bloated. They don't get the fact that it is the quality of coverage where you live, and use the phone. Not the quality of service in California (If you live in Indiana.) or vice versa. The merger would help the customers of both companies. Where the PCS systems and licenses overlap, you have more network capacity to handle the load. Where a customer has a small calling area because the spectrum in that area is broken up between cingular and att, now you will have a solid coverage area. There is a lot of places where cellular licenses for ATT and cingular in the east are adjoining, and if they merged, it would benefit the users. It's all part of keeping total operating cost down for a large number of users, that Way, they can provide better packages at a lower price and still make a profit. >> yet another reason to choose verizon....geez > >I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at... I larger native service >area would seem to benefit Cingular subscribers if u thought SINgular was bad now, wait till they have twice the customers, 1 less competitor and a HUUUUUUUUUUGE area of coverage. one less company means more bending over for customers. > if u thought SINgular was bad now But I don't. I think it's great to be able sign up with a national player without a contract. Plus, their national plans kick the hell out of any other national plans. AD >> Found this article on RCR Wireless this morning.. >>http://rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=16022 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > yet another reason to choose verizon....geez Guess what? Verizon Wireless is slacking. Monet Mobile has had CDMA 1x EV-DO before Verizon Wireless, it covers more cities than Verizon EV-DO does, it's cheaper, and it has better reviews! Another reason not to choose Verizon....geez AD |
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