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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Cingular / June 2008The TILT versus anything thing else
I currently have the 8525 and considering the TILT when they offer the refurb for free again on the Packages and Deals page. Can anyone tell me if there is anything else that is comparable to the TILT or 8525. I like most the touch screen and the WIN Mobile 6 on them both. I now have a phone and the PPC so I am looking for something smaller so I can add the vioce and data plan on one device. The 8525 in pretty large. I plan to stay with AT&T. Thanks for any suggestions. I would say there are a number of things comparable, but you have pretty much limited yourself with the "I plan to stay with AT&T" and the implication that you are looking for free or low cost, and want a touch screen. Don't get why you have a phone and the 8525 now? You can put a voice and data package on the 8525. Is it the size of the 8525? The TILT is about the same. Do you like/need the keyboard? That contributes to the size significantly. >I currently have the 8525 and considering the TILT when they offer the > refurb for free again on the Packages and Deals page. Can anyone tell [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can add the vioce and data plan on one device. The 8525 in pretty > large. I plan to stay with AT&T. Thanks for any suggestions. > I would say there are a number of things comparable, but you have > pretty much limited yourself with the "I plan to stay with AT&T" and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> can add the vioce and data plan on one device. The 8525 in pretty >> large. I plan to stay with AT&T. Thanks for any suggestions. Have you considered the Motorola q9 phone no touch screen but laid out pretty well. >> I would say there are a number of things comparable, but you have >> pretty much limited yourself with the "I plan to stay with AT&T" I'm not sure about this poster but in my case I have to stay with AT&T, have a family plan and one of them is committed to Cingular (At&T). Also my AAA discount is with AT&T (Cingular). Also i'm somewhat limited too in that where I live Sprint doesn't cover this area (large metropolitan area but for whatever reason Sprint doesn't cover it) > > I would say there are a number of things comparable, but you have > > pretty much limited yourself with the "I plan to stay with AT&T" and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Have you considered the Motorola q9 phone no touch screen but laid out > pretty well. I have considered it. A guy at AT&T suggested the Palm. I have not read much good stuff about it. On Jun 1, 7:51 am, "techtechx...@gmail.com" <techtechx...@gmail.com> wrote: > I currently have the 8525 and considering the TILT when they offer the > refurb for free again on the Packages and Deals page. Can anyone tell [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can add the vioce and data plan on one device. The 8525 in pretty > large. I plan to stay with AT&T. Thanks for any suggestions. they replaced my 8525 5 times and they finallyt offer me a tilt. its good. tilt is same size as 8525 but comes with a gps. "techtechxxxx@gmail.com" <techtechxxxx@gmail.com> wrote in news:a71b576a- 8d04-4feb-843b-dd5a08f5a92a@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: > I currently have the 8525 and considering the TILT when they offer the > refurb for free again on the Packages and Deals page. Can anyone tell [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can add the vioce and data plan on one device. The 8525 in pretty > large. I plan to stay with AT&T. Thanks for any suggestions. I was leaning toward a tilt till I held on in a Cingular shop. Be sure you hold the device in your hands before committing.  SignatureScott Reverse name to reply > "techtechxxxx@gmail.com" <techtechxxxx@gmail.com> wrote in > news:a71b576a- [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I was leaning toward a tilt till I held on in a Cingular shop. Be > sure you hold the device in your hands before committing. I agree with this it is a bit of a brick. I got the Moterola q9 instead. Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > I was leaning toward a tilt till I held on in a Cingular shop. Be sure you > hold the device in your hands before committing. Was it a display model, or a real one from an unopened box? When something has moving parts, you can never, ever, judge how a real one will feel from the display model. The display models are abuse magnets, and the sliders/flips/tilts, etc, all get beat to hell by the kids. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #34. I will not turn into a snake. It never helps. > Was it a display model, or a real one from an unopened box? When > something has moving parts, you can never, ever, judge how a real one > will feel from the display model. The display models are abuse > magnets, and the sliders/flips/tilts, etc, all get beat to hell by the > kids. You're right about that, but you can still tell the weight and size. Even though the display models see abuse, you can still sort of tell about how fragile they might be. SignatureScott Reverse name to reply Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > You're right about that, but you can still tell the weight and size. Even > though the display models see abuse, you can still sort of tell about how > fragile they might be. In my personal experience, the only flip/fold/slide/whatever phone that felt the same in quality between display model and actual phone was the Kyocera 7135 I had with Verizon. That was one truly solidly built item. The next-best solid flip phone I had was a StarTac. The phone felt solid, the display item felt fragile. Since then, I've discounted the feel of the movements when evaluating things based on a display item. As far as the Tilt goes, I had tried one, I had one for about a day. The reason I returned it had nothing to do with its size, weight, or construction. I had no problems with any of those (though the feel of the keys on the keyboard left me wanting a bit). I returned it because I still cannot stand WinMob. I'm currently using a Treo, and I'm looking towards an iPhone in a couple of weeks. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol It doesn't matter what temperature a room is, it's always room temperature. (Steven Wright) > Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > It doesn't matter what temperature a room is, it's always room > temperature. (Steven Wright) Does anyone know where you can get info future releases on PDAs or phones, like the HTC Diamond. On Jun 3, 11:58 am, "techtechx...@gmail.com" <techtechx...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Does anyone know where you can get info future releases on PDAs or > phones, like the HTC Diamond. I am narrowed it down to the Palm Treo 750 versus the TILT. What do you guys think? pros and cons > On Jun 3, 11:58 am, "techtechx...@gmail.com" <techtechx...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I am narrowed it down to the Palm Treo 750 versus the TILT. What do > you guys think? pros and cons I opted not to bulk up with a keyboard, so I would go with neither, and have the touch cruise on order I'd eliminate the Treo right away because it has no WiFi. SignatureScott Reverse name to reply Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, techtechxxxx@gmail.com said: > I am narrowed it down to the Palm Treo 750 versus the TILT. What do > you guys think? pros and cons With that selection, the Tilt. The Tilt uses a newer version of the OS. The Tilt has a better display. The Tilt has GPS and WiFi. The Tilt can use higher capacity memory cards. About the only thing the Treo 750 does better is it has a better keyboard. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #165. As an equal-opportunity employer, I will have several hearing-impaired body-guards. That way if I wish to speak confidentially with someone, I'll just turn my back so the guards can't read my lips instead of sending all of them out of the room. > Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, techtechxxxx@gmail.com said: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > About the only thing the Treo 750 does better is it has a better > keyboard. Depends also on how married you are to the keyboard. It makes the device big and heavy. You asked about the Diamond, which has no keyboard. The cruise is much like the Diamond, the connectivity is great, and people who have one seem very happy with it. The downside is that an expensive unlocked phone seems to be the only real option. If I needed to go with a cell providers phone, it might very well be the tilt. SignatureScott Reverse name to reply Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > > About the only thing the Treo 750 does better is it has a better > > keyboard. > Depends also on how married you are to the keyboard. It makes the device > big and heavy. You asked about the Diamond, which has no keyboard. The I prefer a (qwerty) keypad of some type over handwriting recognition. The styli included are too thin for comfort in my hands and it's inconvenient to always pull one out of my pocket. Whether the keypad is physical, like on a Treo, Tilt, etc, or virtual like on the iPhone, doesn't matter to me so long as I can use it with my fingers or thumbs. I did not know the Diamond had no keyboard. That diminishes it IMO. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "I'm trying to protect my invest... my contributors from unscrupulous practices." - George W. Bush > Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I did not know the Diamond had no keyboard. That diminishes it IMO. It doesn't have a physical keyboard. Every WM Pro device can run a virtual keyboard, no? SignatureScott Reverse name to reply Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > > I did not know the Diamond had no keyboard. That diminishes it IMO. > It doesn't have a physical keyboard. Every WM Pro device can run a virtual > keyboard, no? See what I said about the styli and finger use. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "Emilio Lizardo. Wasn't he on TV once?" "You're thinking of Mr. Wizard." "Emilio Lizardo is a top scientist, dumbkopf." "So was Mr. Wizard." (Perfect Tommy, Buckaroo Banzai and Reno, "Buckaroo Banzai") > See what I said about the styli and finger use. There are some really good keyboards that work pretty well with fingers, like the free, customizable, and very highly rated pocketcm, http://www.pocketcm.com/screenshot.php?v=3. For big-time typing, I have a bluetooth keyboard, but I don't see myself carrying it very often. I really like the PocketPC platform, and have used it for years. I really dislike carrying two devices. Since I've opted to carry my phone instead of the PC, I figure replacing it with a WMPro platform with a really nice phone interface is the way to go for me, but everybody needs to assess their own needs. My WM needs really are calendar access, and other PDA- type functions, none of which are typing heavy. For those few times when a keyboard would be very nice, I lose out, but I have the bluetooth option to fall back on. In other works, I'm looking for a phone with a PocketPC, not a PocketPC with a phone-- which is sort of how I view the Treo. I'm well aware that I'm choosing a compromise, but I can't believe that this choice isn't fairly common. That aside, I think that in the year 2008, its a bit silly not to have a WiFi capable device, though. I'd think long and hard before buying something without Wifi. SignatureScott Reverse name to reply Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > > See what I said about the styli and finger use. > There are some really good keyboards that work pretty well with fingers, > like the free, customizable, and very highly rated pocketcm, > http://www.pocketcm.com/screenshot.php?v=3. For big-time typing, I have a > bluetooth keyboard, but I don't see myself carrying it very often. Nice to see there are good options available. > I really like the PocketPC platform, and have used it for years. I really I don't. While the calendar is an important feature, it's not the only thing I use a PDA for and I absolutely HATE the fact that to open the list of programs takes FOUR button presses or screen taps. Then I have to locate and select the app from what appears to be a randomized list, assuming that what I want is even in that window and not in yet another window I have to locate and open from an icon that gives no indication as to whether it's a folder or application. > dislike carrying two devices. Since I've opted to carry my phone instead > of the PC, I figure replacing it with a WMPro platform with a really nice > phone interface is the way to go for me, but everybody needs to assess Something most people just don't seem to get is that Windows Mobile is NOT a scaled down version of Windows from the desktop. They are two completely different systems that are named similarly. And from what I've read, PalmOS actually has better compatibility to Windows than WinMob does. PalmOS has its own set of issues and problems, but that's another topic. > their own needs. My WM needs really are calendar access, and other PDA- > type functions, none of which are typing heavy. For those few times when a Me neither, which is one reason why what I'm going to be replacing my Treo with does not have a full-time always-there keyboard. I tried the Tilt, which has a slide-out keyboard, and my next attempt will be an iPhone which has a virtual keyboard that's only there when needed. > keyboard would be very nice, I lose out, but I have the bluetooth option to > fall back on. In other works, I'm looking for a phone with a PocketPC, not > a PocketPC with a phone-- which is sort of how I view the Treo. I'm well > aware that I'm choosing a compromise, but I can't believe that this choice > isn't fairly common. It's not. Not until "they" decide to fully integrate a "real" PC into a palm-sized portable phone. > That aside, I think that in the year 2008, its a bit silly not to have a > WiFi capable device, though. I'd think long and hard before buying > something without Wifi. As you said, it depends on the individual user's needs. With unlimited cellular data and either HSPA(?) for GSM or EVDO for CDMA, is public WiFi really significantly faster? Speaking personally, the only public WiFi I've ever used was rated at a max of 1Mbs but in practical use was slower. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "Weaponry? What do you call all this stuff in the back of your truck?" "Party favors." "You're starting to grow on me, Riff. Quit it." - Bun-bun and Riff, Sluggy Freelance > Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > another window I have to locate and open from an icon that gives no > indication as to whether it's a folder or application. My BatteryBar app lets me put a whole slew of icons right on my Today Screen. If I open something more than once a week, thats where it goes, and its one mouse click to run. There are all sorts of nifty utilities like this, and years of PPC use helps you find them. >> dislike carrying two devices. Since I've opted to carry my phone >> instead of the PC, I figure replacing it with a WMPro platform with a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > WinMob does. PalmOS has its own set of issues and problems, but > that's another topic. Did the Palm thing, hated it. Wouldn't do it again. Plus, its officially dead, frozen forever at where it is now. WM has its problems, but it does way more than the iPhone, who's SDK doesn't seem to have been picked up in a major way. I've been using PPC's for years, and the interface with outlook is trouble free compared to Palm. >> their own needs. My WM needs really are calendar access, and other >> PDA- type functions, none of which are typing heavy. For those few [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the Tilt, which has a slide-out keyboard, and my next attempt will be > an iPhone which has a virtual keyboard that's only there when needed. Give it a year. The new iPhone looks like it will be expensive, and isn't really that major a step. It is a nice interface, but WM is starting to rumble about a multi touch screen. Sony's next WMPro platform looks pretty promising, but short of multi touch. The Euro diamond has become available over the last few days in the states, BTW, and people don't seem amazed enough by it to make it worth waiting for. I imagine that the WMPro system will be very competitive with the iPhone before too much time passes. For me, it already wins-- but I don't tend to play music. If I did, maybe the iPhone would be nudged up a place or two. >> keyboard would be very nice, I lose out, but I have the bluetooth >> option to fall back on. In other works, I'm looking for a phone with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It's not. Not until "they" decide to fully integrate a "real" PC into > a palm-sized portable phone. I don't see that happening soon. Heat dispersion and battery life are the limiting steps, not some corporate fat cat thinking we're not ready for it. I think there needs to be another creative link for interfacing a whole computer through a 2.5" screen, also. For what I do with computers, I don't see myself working on less than a 10" screen, ever-- which means I'd still need to carry a phone around. > >> That aside, I think that in the year 2008, its a bit silly not to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > only public WiFi I've ever used was rated at a max of 1Mbs but in > practical use was slower. I"m thinking more about Enterprise use. All the intranets I wade in and out of. I don't need significantly faster than WiFi. I don't have the need to stream music and vids on my phone. I guess I don't really want a computer strapped to my belt. I want a phone plus. SignatureScott Reverse name to reply Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > Did the Palm thing, hated it. Wouldn't do it again. Plus, its officially > dead, frozen forever at where it is now. WM has its problems, but it does Palm is not officially dead. However, it has been mostly dead all day. Or is it spending a year dead for tax purposes? > way more than the iPhone, who's SDK doesn't seem to have been picked up in > a major way. I've been using PPC's for years, and the interface with > outlook is trouble free compared to Palm. Not if you use the Pocket Mirror conduits... :) > Give it a year. The new iPhone looks like it will be expensive, and isn't > really that major a step. It is a nice interface, but WM is starting to There are two things missing (for my use) with the +current+ iPhone: Third party software and 32G of storage. I can deal with 16, but the software is the important thing, and why I've been waiting. > passes. For me, it already wins-- but I don't tend to play music. If I > did, maybe the iPhone would be nudged up a place or two. I currently do not use my Treo as a media player, mainly because as a media player it sucks. I have tried before. (I now use the 16GB SDHC card I bought for that in my camera instead.) I already use an iPod for my music. So just like getting a smartphone in the first place to merge my phone and my PDA, an iPhone is a logical next step to merge my portable media needs into my smartphone. As long as I can run software that does what I need, I'm generally platform-agnostic. > > It's not. Not until "they" decide to fully integrate a "real" PC into > > a palm-sized portable phone. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > see myself working on less than a 10" screen, ever-- which means I'd still > need to carry a phone around. It would take a folding display, for one thing. And I mean one where the display can fold on itself like a sheet of paper or thin and flexible plastic. > > As you said, it depends on the individual user's needs. With > > unlimited cellular data and either HSPA(?) for GSM or EVDO for CDMA, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I"m thinking more about Enterprise use. All the intranets I wade in and A "business class" device, rather than a "consumer class" device. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #112. I will not rely entirely upon "totally reliable" spells that can be neutralized by relatively inconspicuous talismans. > Nice to see there are good options available. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thing I use a PDA for and I absolutely HATE the fact that to open the > list of programs takes FOUR button presses or screen taps. To echo Scott's sentiment, if you don't like the default operation of something with WinMo, change it. Too many clicks to get to an app? A Today Plug in can list all of your most used apps on the Today (Home) screen. Voice Command makes almost everthing a one-press operation: press apre-assigned key and say "Open <name of app>!" > Then I have > to locate and select the app from what appears to be a randomized list, "Alphabetical" is randomized? > assuming that what I want is even in that window and not in yet another > window I have to locate and open from an icon that gives no indication > as to whether it's a folder or application. All defined by you, if you wish. I use hierarchal folders for lesser-used apps and place the 4 or 5 most used on the Start Menu bar itself (much like my home PC.) > Something most people just don't seem to get is that Windows Mobile is > NOT a scaled down version of Windows from the desktop. They are two > completely different systems that are named similarly. So? The idea is that they act fairly similarlyso users of one can quickly adapt to the other. The Start menu works similarly, the OK Button closs a window, etc. > And from what > I've read, PalmOS actually has better compatibility to Windows than > WinMob does. In what way? Both platforms have minor quirks and issues with syncing, PIM file compatibility, etc. > > That aside, I think that in the year 2008, its a bit silly not to have a > > WiFi capable device, though. I'd think long and hard before buying [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > WiFi I've ever used was rated at a max of 1Mbs but in practical use was > slower. WiFi is for more than internet connections. It's also a quick way to copy files between devices without cables. I can browse my home network shares and copy files to PPC phone via WiFi. I can use my PPC phone's VoIP via WiFi if I'm in an area without cell coverage (a hotel in rural Nebraska) or where cellular is cost prohibitive (a hotel in Cancun.) For the very small incremental manufacturing cost, there's no reason not to have WiFi on a high-end device in this day and age. (And put the IR back in- too many devices are leaving it off now- IR is the ideal "lowes-common- denominator" file transfer mechnaism since EVERY PDA built until a year or two ago had it. I have an IR dongle on all my PCs so I never have to keep track of various PDA or phone sync cables- everything I own can sync via BT or IR.) Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Todd Allcock said: > To echo Scott's sentiment, if you don't like the default operation of > something with WinMo, change it. > > Too many clicks to get to an app? A Today Plug in can list all of your > most used apps on the Today (Home) screen. Voice Command makes almost That's just it: I don't want it to open on the Today screen unless I turn it on with a button mapped to the calendar. > > Then I have > > to locate and select the app from what appears to be a randomized list, > > "Alphabetical" is randomized? It wasn't alphabetical. That's my point. Nor was it "folders first", so far as I can remember, nor was there any way for me to manually group them. > All defined by you, if you wish. I use hierarchal folders for lesser-used > apps and place the 4 or 5 most used on the Start Menu bar itself (much like > my home PC.) Exact opposite of my use. I use the desktop for my most-used applications and the Start menu for everything else. AAMOF, I rarely have to open the Start menu to use my computer. > So? The idea is that they act fairly similarlyso users of one can quickly > adapt to the other. The Start menu works similarly, the OK Button closs a > window, etc. And except for newer HTC devices (Tilt), the red X button does not close the program, only hides the window. > > And from what > > I've read, PalmOS actually has better compatibility to Windows than > > WinMob does. > > In what way? Both platforms have minor quirks and issues with syncing, PIM > file compatibility, etc. I use Pocket Mirror to sync my Treo to Outlook, zero problems. I use Documents To Go to sync a few Word, Excel and text docs, with zero problems AND use them in their native formats (meaning I can copy them as-is from the card to any PC and use the files). Ultrasoft Money syncs seamlessly to Microsoft Money. The only problems I have with synching is occasionally I have to re-seat the Treo in its cradle or restart Hotsync. ActiveSync, otoh, has been a nightmare. My step-mother has been unable to sync hers (don't know what model, made by Audiovox before HTC bought the business) since she upgraded to a Vista PC. My step-sister and her husband both just got Moto Qs, and neither one of them can get either of theirs to sync to their XP computer. In the brief time I had a Tilt, syncing failed about half the time. I don't know about them, but mine was factory-fresh, no add-ons to the Tilt or to ActiveSync. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #112. I will not rely entirely upon "totally reliable" spells that can be neutralized by relatively inconspicuous talismans. > That's just it: I don't want it to open on the Today screen unless I > turn it on with a button mapped to the calendar. I think you're missing the pount of the (ill-named) "Today" screen. For a WinMo device, that's your desktop- not a calendar screen. It's more of a user-configurable device "status report" that displays (at your option) date/time, unread e-mail counts, next appointment, task list, wireless status, etc. and can act as a "quick launch" to several apps or functions. > > "Alphabetical" is randomized? > > It wasn't alphabetical. That's my point. Nor was it "folders first", > so far as I can remember, nor was there any way for me to manually > group them. I'm not sure what you were looking at, then. Maybe the Start Menu? That's sectional and more random looking- the top third is a user-selectable program/folder list, the middle third contains the last x# of recently launched apps,and the bottom contains the "Programs" menu (folder) and Settings (the mobile equivalent of desktop Windows' "Control Panel") The Programs menu is alphbetical, folders first. > > All defined by you, if you wish. I use hierarchal folders for lesser-used > > apps and place the 4 or 5 most used on the Start Menu bar itself (much like > > my home PC.) > > Exact opposite of my use. I use the desktop for my most-used > applications and the Start menu for everything else. Oh, you're one of THOSE people! ;-) I'm a clean deasktop guy and use the Task bar quick launch for most common apps, and the Start Menu, anally organized into hierarchal folders and sub- folders for everything else! > AAMOF, I rarely > have to open the Start menu to use my computer. That explains your attraction to Palms and the iPhone... The quasi-desktop looking home screens... ;-) > > So? The idea is that they act fairly similarlyso users of one can quickly > > adapt to the other. The Start menu works similarly, the OK Button closs a > > window, etc. > > And except for newer HTC devices (Tilt), the red X button does not > close the program, only hides the window. Again, if you don't like how it works, change it! Task Managers that really close apps are (and were) plentiful, low-memory footprint, and usually freeware. In practice, they were generally also unnecessary. Although anal people (like myself!) groused about WinMo memory management (apps stayed open until the OS closed them itself when deemed necessary) it actually worked quite well unless errant 3rd-party apps mucked it up. The native apps behaved quite well with it. (But I used a task manager with an "X closes app" function nonetheless!) > > > And from what > > > I've read, PalmOS actually has better compatibility to Windows than [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > synching is occasionally I have to re-seat the Treo in its cradle or > restart Hotsync. I've never been a Palm guy, but my brother-in-law was, and used to regale me with his horror stories of Palm Hotsync problems. He wanted to stick with Palm in the worst way, but recently came over to the "dark side", trading his Pamo-OS Treo 650 for a 700wx WinMo phone. > ActiveSync, otoh, has been a nightmare. My step-mother has been unable > to sync hers (don't know what model, made by Audiovox before HTC bought [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I don't know about them, but mine was factory-fresh, no add-ons to the > Tilt or to ActiveSync. Those headaches are fairly recent- while Activesync has always been a bit finicky, it really wasn't a nightmare until Vista's new AS-replacement, WMDC. (Tell your step-sis and hubby to uncheck "Enable Advanced Network Functionality" in the Q's Connections applet- it causes firewall software to block Activesync because the sync appears to be an attempted connection from another network.) Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Todd Allcock said: > > That's just it: I don't want it to open on the Today screen unless I > > turn it on with a button mapped to the calendar. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > date/time, unread e-mail counts, next appointment, task list, wireless > status, etc. and can act as a "quick launch" to several apps or functions. I looked for a way to change the start-up/desktop display to what I want, or at least to reconfigure what's shown, and I could not find anything substantial. I am aware that there are third party programs that probably could do that, but IMO if I do not at least like the base software, it is not worth the effort, hassle or money to force it otherwise. > > It wasn't alphabetical. That's my point. Nor was it "folders first", > > so far as I can remember, nor was there any way for me to manually > > group them. > > I'm not sure what you were looking at, then. Maybe the Start Menu? That's I know the difference. I'm talking about the Programs +window+, opened from the Start menu. > > Exact opposite of my use. I use the desktop for my most-used > > applications and the Start menu for everything else. > Oh, you're one of THOSE people! ;-) Yep. :) > I'm a clean deasktop guy and use the Task bar quick launch for most common > apps, and the Start Menu, anally organized into hierarchal folders and sub- > folders for everything else! I keep the Start menu on my XP machine strictly organized so I can find things. Not so much on my Vista machine, since Vista has that very handy Search bar in the Start menu that often makes it faster to Search than Browse for the shortcut. > That explains your attraction to Palms and the iPhone... The quasi-desktop > looking home screens... ;-) Now you understand! :) > I've never been a Palm guy, but my brother-in-law was, and used to regale > me with his horror stories of Palm Hotsync problems. He wanted to stick > with Palm in the worst way, but recently came over to the "dark side", > trading his Pamo-OS Treo 650 for a 700wx WinMo phone. The 650 had some problems, particularly earlier releases of it. I used to have a Cingular co-branded one (actually, several... I wound up exchanging for a new one a few times under warrantee). Then I upgraded to an unlocked 680 and my problems diminished (not went away, just less of them). > > I don't know about them, but mine was factory-fresh, no add-ons to the > > Tilt or to ActiveSync. > > Those headaches are fairly recent- while Activesync has always been a bit > finicky, it really wasn't a nightmare until Vista's new AS-replacement, WMDC. Only one person in this set is using Vista with a WinMob device. > (Tell your step-sis and hubby to uncheck "Enable Advanced Network > Functionality" in the Q's Connections applet- it causes firewall software > to block Activesync because the sync appears to be an attempted connection > from another network.) Now that you mention it, I dimly recall having to uncheck that on my XP setup. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "It's not that I'm afraid to die, I just don't want to be there when it happens." Woody Allen > ActiveSync, otoh, has been a nightmare. My step-mother has been unable > to sync hers (don't know what model, made by Audiovox before HTC bought > the business) since she upgraded to a Vista PC. You apparently don't use activesync with vista, as the functions seem native to the OS. At least that's what the WinMobile site suggests. Wouldn't really know, as I'd do anything I could to avoid running Vista while that's still possible. SignatureScott Reverse name to reply Why all the Vista bashing? been runnin Vista since beta and it rocks compared to XPee! Never one bsod-ever with Vista, unlike XPee. No issues with WMDC either Jeff >> ActiveSync, otoh, has been a nightmare. My step-mother has been unable >> to sync hers (don't know what model, made by Audiovox before HTC bought [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Wouldn't really know, as I'd do anything I could to avoid running Vista > while that's still possible. > Why all the Vista bashing? > been runnin Vista since beta and it rocks compared to XPee! > Never one bsod-ever with Vista, unlike XPee. > No issues with WMDC either Apparently you don't own older WinCE equipment. Activesync works with my Audiovox Maestro (2002) and NEC 790 (HPC 2000.) Can't say the same for Vista's WMDC! ;- nope-the Tilt is my first Jeff >> Why all the Vista bashing? >> been runnin Vista since beta and it rocks compared to XPee! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Audiovox Maestro (2002) and NEC 790 (HPC 2000.) Can't say the same for > Vista's WMDC! ;- > You apparently don't use activesync with vista, as the functions seem > native to the OS. Kinda sorta. Windows Mobile Device Center ("Activesync for Vista") is still a separate download that automatically installs when you plug in your first WinMo device, so it "feels" more integrated. > At least that's what the WinMobile site suggests. IMO, "integrated" would be plug-n-play- i.e. I plug in a WinMo device and it shows up as a "drive" I can manipulate, or a "modem" I can use, without having to install a 10-20MB "Device Center!" ;-) (Just today, in fact, I had to load Activesync on my XP-based Asus EEE PC laptop solely to use my WinMo phone as a modem! I'll be visiting family without WiFi next week, and needed to install an 8MB Activesync download just to have the needed 100kb USB modem driver for the phone available! > Wouldn't really know, as I'd do anything I could to avoid running Vista > while that's still possible. Vista is ok- it's cute looking and more beginner-friendly than XP, but it's dog-slow and has a nastily huge footprint. I almost rolled my last new PC (a Compaq laptop) back to XP, but figured I should get some Vista "flying time" logged, remembering that I hated XP at first as well, preferring Win98SE to it for all the same reasons I hated Vista at first (XP was too big/slow/flashy vs. 98) so fair is fair- Vista is growing on me (albeit slowly!) Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > You apparently don't use activesync with vista, as the functions seem > native to the OS. At least that's what the WinMobile site suggests. > Wouldn't really know, as I'd do anything I could to avoid running Vista > while that's still possible. What's wrong with Vista? It works just fine for me. In many of my tasks, it's faster than XP - while installed on a slower system with less capacity. Startup takes forever, though. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "The Superior Person's Book Of Words", by Peter Bowler: DECALCOMANIA: A transfer - i.e., a picture or design of some kind imprinted on a paper in such a way as to permit its being transferred, after wetting, to another surface. Nowadays what used to be called simply 'transfers' are coming to be called 'decals' - which is simply an abbreviation of the above word. > Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Startup takes forever, though. Aside from plenty of folks having backward compatibility problems, it's bloatware. The added functionality is largely imaginary, it requires a much bigger footprint than XP, has much more required user interaction when doing anything mildly invasive, requires a ton more memory. The recommended platform for the premium version is 1 1GHz processor, with 1GByte system memory, 15 GBytes of disk space, and 128 Megs of video memory!! All for no real improvement. For comparison, XP needs a 300MHz processor, 128Megs of RAM, and 1.5 Gigs of disk space (though the latter is probably a bit tight). SignatureScott Reverse name to reply Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > > What's wrong with Vista? It works just fine for me. In many of my > Aside from plenty of folks having backward compatibility problems, it's The only compatibility problem I've had between Vista and XP software was my firewall. I wasn't too happy with it anyway so I was going to get another one regardless. > bloatware. The added functionality is largely imaginary, it requires a There are a few big improvements and a lot of little ones. And apparently, quite a bit of optimization. Did I mention that for most of my tasks, Vista is FASTER than XP, despite my copy of XP being on faster hardware? > much bigger footprint than XP, has much more required user interaction when > doing anything mildly invasive, requires a ton more memory. The My copy of Vista (Ultimate, btw) is running with Aero Glass enabled, on a video card that is less studly than that in my XP machine. It's still faster. My Vista system has 2G of RAM and an Athlon X2 1.8GHz CPU, compared to my XP Pro system's 3G of RAM and Athlon X2 2.4Ghz CPU. Why is Vista faster? Oh, and my Vista machine is on a lower-end Compaq laptop - slower CPU, slower memory, slower bus, slower hard drive. My copy of Vista does not require any more user interaction than my copy of XP (yes, I turned off UAC). > recommended platform for the premium version is 1 1GHz processor, with > 1GByte system memory, 15 GBytes of disk space, and 128 Megs of video > memory!! All for no real improvement. > > For comparison, XP needs a 300MHz processor, 128Megs of RAM, and 1.5 Gigs > of disk space (though the latter is probably a bit tight). Have you ever tried to actually USE XP on that "minimum requirements" setup? You could do laundry while waiting for it to finish a task. The usable minimums for Vista are not that much more than the usable minimums for XP. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Notes on Fortress Construction: 9. Your computer systems should have uninterruptable power supplies, and your circuitry should use breakers or fuses with the appropriate tolerances. > Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Wizard." "Emilio Lizardo is a top scientist, dumbkopf." "So was Mr. > Wizard." (Perfect Tommy, Buckaroo Banzai and Reno, "Buckaroo Banzai") http://www.techshout.com/mobile-phones/2008/05/htc-touch-pro-mobile-phone-rolled-out/ Anyone know about this new HTC phone?? On Jun 6, 10:28 am, "techtechx...@gmail.com" <techtechx...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Anyone know about this new HTC phone?? A little more information. http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518 Thje HTC site says it is now at several providers Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, techtechxxxx@gmail.com said: > > http://www.techshout.com/mobile-phones/2008/05/htc-touch-pro-mobile-p... > > > > Anyone know about this new HTC phone?? > > A little more information. http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518 > Thje HTC site says it is now at several providers Apparently, none of them are in North America. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "I can help you with the big words if you're having trouble." (Matthew Stoner, B5 "Soul Mates") What about it? It is a Touch Diamond with a slid out keyboard, which makes it bigger and more expensive. > On Jun 6, 10:28 am, "techtechx...@gmail.com" <techtechx...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > A little more information. http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518 > Thje HTC site says it is now at several providers > Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Scott Seidman said: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Wizard." "Emilio Lizardo is a top scientist, dumbkopf." "So was Mr. > Wizard." (Perfect Tommy, Buckaroo Banzai and Reno, "Buckaroo Banzai") Does anyone know about this new phone? http://www.techshout.com/mobile-phones/2008/05/htc-touch-pro-mobile-phone-rolled-out/ Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, techtechxxxx@gmail.com said: > Does anyone know where you can get info future releases on PDAs or > phones, like the HTC Diamond. Releases? Nothing but rumors for anything until announced/confirmed by the manufactures and/or carriers. Just know that North America generally lags behind Europe and Asia when it comes to cellular devices. Places to check include Engadget.com, phonescoop.com, Treocentral.com (for Palm Treos of either OS), WMExperts.com (for WinMob), register.co.uk's Hardware section, among others. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "You'd think Zoe would be happy to be human again! So what if she was naked." "Zoe was naked?" "You really do need to get away from that PS2." - Riff and Torg, Sluggy Freelance Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, techtechxxxx@gmail.com said: > I currently have the 8525 and considering the TILT when they offer the > refurb for free again on the Packages and Deals page. Can anyone tell [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can add the vioce and data plan on one device. The 8525 in pretty > large. I plan to stay with AT&T. Thanks for any suggestions. If you like WinMob and AT&T, then the Tilt is probably as good as it gets right now since the HTC Diamond isn't available here. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #34. I will not turn into a snake. It never helps. >If you like WinMob and AT&T, then the Tilt is probably as good as it >gets right now since the HTC Diamond isn't available here. Just got better, HTC released WM6.1, and AT&T is apparently only a few years from doing the same. > In message <onp844t50hq3m2h9sai4uiiso1onfqh...@gordol.org> Jeffrey > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Just got better, HTC released WM6.1, and AT&T is apparently only a few > years from doing the same. Years? That is funny. > Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, techtechx...@gmail.com said: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #34. > I will not turn into a snake. It never helps. Yes, I sww the diamond and spoke to a guy at HTC. He said the diamond will have proprietary software-a proprietary OS. "techtechxxxx@gmail.com" <techtechxxxx@gmail.com> wrote in news:08dacc1a- f694-4433-942a-89e9f07ba052@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com: > Yes, I sww the diamond and spoke to a guy at HTC. He said the diamond > will have proprietary software-a proprietary OS. The Diamond runs windows mobile 6.1, but the desktop is proprietary and the next step in HTC Touchflo. I just ordered the touch cruise last week, foregoing the keyboard. SignatureScott Reverse name to reply |
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