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Cellular Phone Forum / Manufacturers / Ericsson / January 2004Gosh, Z600 suck in terms of size!
Finally laid my hand on a Z600 here after much anticipation for the return of a flip phone to S/E line up... Gosh, it's so big compared with T610 and other flips from Korean brands! I was so disappointed by the physical dimension of the unit. Given the choice, I would grudgingly take the T610. So what was SE thinking in designing this Z600?!? I've had my Z600 for 2 weeks now and I love the size. I've read posts about it being "a hamburger" and so forth, but it's a realistic size. I love the decent button sizes (and reasonable space between buttons - certainly no fear of miss-hitting). And when closed, it sits comfortably in my pocket. I guess the key issue apart from size is weight, and I don't think anyone can criticize it's weight - it's so light, that even at it's size, you bearly feel it. And for me, it seems really sturdy and firm. Very confident closing sound and feel, and I've played with some flimsy flip phones in my time - this one tops the list. But everyone has their own criteria, and I just wanted to offer my opinion. Cheers, Pete > Finally laid my hand on a Z600 here after much anticipation for the > return of a flip phone to S/E line up... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So what was SE thinking in designing this Z600?!? > I've had my Z600 for 2 weeks now and I love the size. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and feel, and I've played with some flimsy flip phones in my time - this one > tops the list. I would like to jump on your wagon, agreeing with all the points that you mentioned about the Z600. I've had mine for some 6-8 weeks now and it's perfect. Ofcourse a somewhat thinner version would suit me even better, the size is ok as it is. -- "and hey...let's be careful out there" David May http://www.no-code.net ftp.no-code.net > > I've had my Z600 for 2 weeks now and I love the size. > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > perfect. Ofcourse a somewhat thinner version would suit me even better, the > size is ok as it is. Interesting how you guys all came to the defence of Z600. Maybe I should take another closer look at the model next time I am in town. I personally would love to have the size of the Z300 (?) instead. Now only if that phone had Bluetooth... >And when closed, it sits comfortably in my pocket. I guess the key issue >apart from size is weight, and I don't think anyone can criticize it's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >and feel, and I've played with some flimsy flip phones in my time - this one >tops the list. You've hit the nail on the head with those two paragraphs. It's a comfortable size for use, can be slipped into an otherwise empty pocket with little risk of damage (unlike various 'smartphones' with their vulnerable screens) but, more importantly, it FEELS strong enough to be slipped into a pocket without risk of damage. A perfect balance between function and strength. I love my Z600 for all of the above reasons. And from a self-confessed SF geek, the fact that it looks like something Captain Archer might pull out of his bag doesn't hurt either :)  SignatureKev __________________________________________________________________________ "The superintendent of the local zoo was summoned, and after a three hour struggle he was lassoed and pulled into a waiting cage." Sunday Times > I love my Z600 for all of the above reasons. And from a self-confessed > SF geek, the fact that it looks like something Captain Archer might pull > out of his bag doesn't hurt either :) Hahaha, LOL! Too bad the default color is red and silver, and not that patented Star Trek grey... Still, I don't think it's really clumsy, a phone that is too small is still more awkward and difficult to use than one that is a bit bigger than one might wish, especially if the screen or keypad's been shrunk too much. > >And when closed, it sits comfortably in my pocket. I guess the key issue > >apart from size is weight, and I don't think anyone can criticize it's [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > slipped into a pocket without risk of damage. A perfect balance between > function and strength. That's an oxymoron of an answer. What's a comfortable size for the pocket? One that _fills_ the pocket? Or one that is small and can be carried in your pocket unobtrusively? If that's a valid criteria, why hasn't many gone back to the old Motorola Startec flip phones? >That's an oxymoron of an answer. What's a comfortable size for the >pocket? One that _fills_ the pocket? Or one that is small and can be >carried in your pocket unobtrusively? I'll leave Pete to field that one since it's his words, not mine, you're quoting. >If that's a valid criteria, why hasn't many gone back to the old >Motorola Startec flip phones? Because of the protruding antenna and the flimsy hinge? Just one person's opinion out of many, of course, which is all this thread ultimately is. SignatureKev __________________________________________________________________________ "His brother failed. Let's see if he can succeed and maintain the family tradition." David Coleman > > >And when closed, it sits comfortably in my pocket. I guess the key issue > > >apart from size is weight, and I don't think anyone can criticize it's [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > pocket? One that _fills_ the pocket? Or one that is small and can be > carried in your pocket unobtrusively? It's plain english - fits into my pocket comfortably. It's rounded shape doesn't jab into my leg when I'm sitting and it's far from bulky. It IS very subjective and everyone will have their own opinion. Don't bust my balls for having my say. If you don't find it comfortable, just say so and move on. Cheers, Pete > If that's a valid criteria, why hasn't many gone back to the old > Motorola Startec flip phones? You tell me? > Finally laid my hand on a Z600 here after much anticipation for the > return of a flip phone to S/E line up... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So what was SE thinking in designing this Z600?!? I think it's because it is the first 3 LCD/screen flip from S/E and they are still working on making future models smaller. At first glance I think it looks big too, but out of my friends who have them, none complain about the size and make similar remarks to the ones already listed. > I think it's because it is the first 3 LCD/screen flip from S/E and they > are still working on making future models smaller. That should be *2* screen :) I do think that future flips from S/E will be smaller. The Z600 from what I understand is pretty much a repackaged T610/30. Once they see demand for flips then more Research and Development will be made to make them smaller. > > I think it's because it is the first 3 LCD/screen flip from S/E and they > > are still working on making future models smaller. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > demand for flips then more Research and Development will be made to make > them smaller. They already have smaller flips! <snip> > They already have smaller flips! GSM With all of the features that the Z600 has? You can't compare it to the T39 etc as the flip on the T39 doesn't have an LCD, nor is the screen colour. The Z200 is the closest SE, but that is lacking a few features. Japanese phones (CDMA2000 or something?) have always been pretty small, but I believe that is because of technological differences with the frequencies involved and a different range of features required. >Japanese phones (CDMA2000 or something?) have always been pretty small, >but I believe that is because of technological differences with the >frequencies involved and a different range of features required. And the fact that the Japanese have smaller hands! I'm not being facetious; some of the phones I saw when I was over there would never work in the European or US markets because we wouldn't be able to press the buttons with anything bigger than a pinkie fingernail. I borrowed a Japanese friend's cheap 'n' cheerful "quite bulky" cell phone one afternoon and it was still half the size of anything I'd seen over here. What's really crazy is that a few years ago even the Japanese became disillusioned with the impracticalities of using ever more tiny phones, and several companies launched large plug-in handsets that attached to the cellphone but were of a more practical size for holding. Some were novelty items shaped like fruit or Manga characters, but one or two looked like good old-fashioned 'dog bone' analogue phone handsets. Talk about full circle. And still the cellphones themselves got smaller. Insanity. As for the Z600, once the basic considerations are met I place strength above style. Sure, the thing's a bit fat when it's closed and no doubt a good design engineer could get the depth down to half or even less of what it is now. But while I suspect that the Z600 could survive quite a large weight being accidentally applied to it while in a pocket (use any scenario you can imagine!), I'm not sure the same would be true for a slimmer, flimsier design. SignatureKev __________________________________________________________________________ "Look at Jesus. He was a normal run of the mill sort of guy who had a genuine gift..." Glenn Hoddle > At first glance I think it looks big too, but out of my friends who have > them, none complain about the size and make similar remarks to the ones > already listed. Not suspecting bias in those assessments? Size clearly is a considered issue for anyone who decides to buy one. So to ask decided buyers, a selected group, is not all that valid. > > At first glance I think it looks big too, but out of my friends who have > > them, none complain about the size and make similar remarks to the ones [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > issue for anyone who decides to buy one. So to ask decided buyers, a > selected group, is not all that valid. No, I think it shows that even though the phone looks big that it's not *huge* or an unmanageable size. These friends have chosen it for the size/feature tradeoff, and seem quite happy with it. These aren't people who leave it in their briefcase/handbag/car all day either! Obviously for them it isn't too big a phone. It fits their needs. I don't own one, nor am I buying one. The phone doesn't suit my needs, nor (obviously) does it suit yours! Whytoi - typed: >> At first glance I think it looks big too, but out of my friends who >> have them, none complain about the size and make similar remarks to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > issue for anyone who decides to buy one. So to ask decided buyers, a > selected group, is not all that valid. But valid in the respect that many had initial reservations about the size & found it not to be a problem. I've just been informed by the Terminology Police that the Z600/300 are clamshell phones ;) I wish SE *did* make a flip phone! Long live the T39. SignatureThe map is not the territory I'm still waiting for a T39m successor. Z600 is close to play this role, but indeed, in terms of size and weight it is one step back. Size and weight is much more important for me than the camera and mms toys. Klaus > I'm still waiting for a T39m successor. > Z600 is close to play this role, but indeed, in terms of size and weight it > is one step back. > Size and weight is much more important for me than the camera and mms toys. We have comparable criteria there. However, weight of Z600 is actually ok. It's just size that bothered. > Finally laid my hand on a Z600 here after much anticipation for the > return of a flip phone to S/E line up... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So what was SE thinking in designing this Z600?!? The way Volvos were designed some years ago, that's what! Or maybe a brick. Apart from that, and the fact it doesn't come with a VGA camera, the Z600 seems to be a great phone. Cheers, Thorolv Valentinsen > > Finally laid my hand on a Z600 here after much anticipation for the > > return of a flip phone to S/E line up... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The way Volvos were designed some years ago, that's what! Or maybe a brick. "Volvo: Boxy but good!" (gratuitious reference to the movie Crazy People, Dudley Moore was the ad man committed to a insane asylum after coming up with truthful slogans) > Apart from that, and the fact it doesn't come with a VGA camera, the Z600 > seems to be a great phone. > > Cheers, > > Thorolv Valentinsen I'm really happy with my Z600, it's the first clam shell phone I've owned. I found the size/weight/feel perfect for me, compared to the other clamshell units I looked at.. Chris Get used to it. All the new clam-shell phones with the same capability will be larger than the Z600. > > > Finally laid my hand on a Z600 here after much anticipation for the > > > return of a flip phone to S/E line up... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Chris Sony Ericsson themselves have explained that the target demographic for the Z600 is professional males, aged 25-45. This demographic requires a phone with a good sized keyboard which can expect extremely frequent use. The dinky little Samsungs and LGs are very pretty but lack any functional appeal if your hands are any larger than those of Peter Pan! I was a big fan of the R520 for the very same reason - good keyboard where you were reasonably sure to hit the right button on every occasion and as a long time Ericsson user I think that the Z600 has hit the spot. > Get used to it. All the new clam-shell phones with the same capability will > be larger than the Z600. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > > Chris |
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