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UK T610 functions differently when italian PAYG card inserted

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Consumer Monkey - 28 Jan 2004 09:31 GMT
I have a Sony Ericsson T610 on O2 here in the UK but frequently travel to
Italy where I switch the SIM card with one from Italy's TIM network. With
the TIM SIM card, the phone defaults to using SIM memory instead of phone
memory. For instance if you click down on the joystick to bring up your
contacts, it reads them only from the SIM card phone-book (which is empty in
my case!), and if you receive a text message it goes directly to the SIM
card. This is different functionality from when the phone contains the O2
SIM.

It's also quite annoying. If you want to call somebody you have to go deep
into the contacts sub-menu to find them. Alternatively you need to copy the
whole phone book to the SIM card, of course losing the enhancements you have
with contacts in phone memory - multiple numbers, photos etc.  Text messages
will first fill up the SIM then go to phone memory, but then you constantly
have a flashing envelope on the screen telling you the sim is full!

Does anyone know how or why this is happening? I have witnessed other
people's TIM SIMs behaving this way in T610s also. Why have TIM done this? I
don't see the benefit at all.
Radiohead - 28 Jan 2004 11:22 GMT
> I have a Sony Ericsson T610 on O2 here in the UK but frequently travel to
> Italy where I switch the SIM card with one from Italy's TIM network. With
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> people's TIM SIMs behaving this way in T610s also. Why have TIM done this? I
> don't see the benefit at all.

This happens often when you swap SIM cards on an unlocked phone. It confused
me at first too! After you install the SIM the phone tends to default to SIM
memory unless you tell it otherwise.

I have a Nokia 6210 and within the messages section there is a menu option
to tell the phone which memory to use as a default (SIM or phone).

I don't know your phone but I'm sure there must be a similar menu option
somewhere, therefore the first thing you would do after you have swapped
your SIM is to check that the phone is set to 'phone memory' as a default,
so that you can access all your contacts again and save your texts to the
phone and not the SIM.
Sam Cooper \(formerly MB\) - 29 Jan 2004 10:02 GMT
> This happens often when you swap SIM cards on an unlocked phone. It confused
> me at first too! After you install the SIM the phone tends to default to SIM
> memory unless you tell it otherwise.

Not in this case!
Every TIM subscriber (using a Sonyericsson phone) has the same problem: it
is caused by the "64kb simcards" distibuted by the italian carrier! They
force the phone to use the sim memory because some services need to get
information from the sim.

If you are a TIM subscriber, when you are not reachable and someone try to
call you, the network store the caller Id and send you an sms when you are
reachable again telling who called you and when. In that sms you'll find the
name of the caller (instead of the number) if his name has been stored to
the sim memory before.

MB
Consumer Monkey - 29 Jan 2004 10:14 GMT
> Not in this case!
> Every TIM subscriber (using a Sonyericsson phone) has the same problem: it
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>
> MB

So there's nothing I can do..  But if the problem/feature only exists for
TIM customers using Sony Ericsson phones is not a problem with Sony Ericsson
phones then? Do TIM customers with other makes of phone  have the same
problem?
Sam Cooper \(formerly MB\) - 30 Jan 2004 09:15 GMT
> So there's nothing I can do..  But if the problem/feature only exists for
> TIM customers using Sony Ericsson phones is not a problem with Sony Ericsson
> phones then? Do TIM customers with other makes of phone  have the same
> problem?

As far as I know only latest SonyEricsson phones using latest TIM simcard
(64Kb) have this problem: I've got a T610 but I'm a Vodafone Italy
subscriber so everything is ok. A friend of mine has a T610 too, but he's an
old TIM subscriber so his simcard is pretty old (16Kb) and everything is ok!

There are two solutions: change provider or change phone! ;-)

MB
Consumer Monkey - 30 Jan 2004 23:05 GMT
> As far as I know only latest SonyEricsson phones using latest TIM simcard
> (64Kb) have this problem: I've got a T610 but I'm a Vodafone Italy
> subscriber so everything is ok. A friend of mine has a T610 too, but he's an
> old TIM subscriber so his simcard is pretty old (16Kb) and everything is ok!
>
> There are two solutions: change provider or change phone! ;-)

Hhmmm.. Unfortunately TIM offers the best coverage in the relatively rural
area I'm concerned with in Italy. It's ridiculous that a new SIM card on a
pretty much state-of-the-art phone (as of last summer) can combine to create
these problems!  I think changing phone is the more likely scenario but I
don't know what phone offers the same level of features as the T610
(including bluetooth)...

Cheers anyway :-)
 
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