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what can you do with a T610?
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stan - 22 Feb 2004 03:04 GMT Wife wants to get one. Can u downloads files to phone? like pictures and tones from PC? how is the general comment in comparison to NK 7250 views and comments please. Thanks
Bruce Almighty - 22 Feb 2004 03:19 GMT It has alot of features like bluetooth. You can download pictures and tones provided the pc has the bluetooth module plugged into it. Or can visit websites like 'jimmytones' to download thru GPRS. Because of the casing of the phone, it gets dusty easily. The phone comes with a cloth for this purpose. My wife is using it too. The only complain is the messaging interface is not as good as nokia.
> Wife wants to get one. > Can u downloads files to phone? like pictures and tones from PC? > how is the general comment in comparison to NK 7250 > views and comments please. > Thanks Webseller - 22 Feb 2004 05:03 GMT Sucks big time. Don't get it.
> It has alot of features like bluetooth. You can download pictures and tones > provided the pc has the bluetooth module plugged into it. Or can visit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > views and comments please. > > Thanks Richard Colton - 22 Feb 2004 10:31 GMT > Sucks big time. > Don't get it. Pretty much like your posting then?
Perhaps you'd care to enliighten us all why "it sucks" or are you just trolling?
To the OP - The T610 feature wise is probably the most complete phone in its price range. Build quality is better than most of the current Nokia handsets, and far superior to the 7250i. If you're used to Nokias, the interface is different but works well once you've got used to it. Ringtones, pictures and games can all be uploaded easily to the phone (use IR or Bluetooth, it's far simpler than a cable).
>>> Unlock Your Phone's Potential <<< >>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<< >>> http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk <<< Sebby - 22 Feb 2004 14:17 GMT > To the OP - The T610 feature wise is probably the most complete phone in its > price range. Build quality is better than most of the current Nokia > handsets, and far superior to the 7250i. If you're used to Nokias, the > interface is different but works well once you've got used to it. > Ringtones, pictures and games can all be uploaded easily to the phone (use > IR or Bluetooth, it's far simpler than a cable). This sums it up perfectly :-)
Basically, the T610 is far more feature-rich than the 7250i. The interface is far different to a Nokia, but in fact I now prefer it. Text messaging isn't as easy as a Nokia, but is by no means difficult. I can write a text message just as quickly as on a Nokia now I'm used to it.
Webseller - 22 Feb 2004 15:21 GMT Btw, just in case u think that the casing scratches/smudging is due to my partiularly rough usage, i can say that I never change my usage pattern for my nokia phone and my T610. BUT the T610 come off looking much worse off than the nokia phone. In fact as the T610 is newer, i tried taking more care of it, but it still came off worse. Lousy Phone. :)
> > To the OP - The T610 feature wise is probably the most complete phone in > its [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > isn't as easy as a Nokia, but is by no means difficult. I can write a text > message just as quickly as on a Nokia now I'm used to it. Sebby - 23 Feb 2004 01:53 GMT > Btw, just in case u think that the casing scratches/smudging is due to my > partiularly rough usage, i can say that I never change my usage pattern for > my nokia phone and my T610. BUT the T610 come off looking much worse off > than the nokia phone. In fact as the T610 is newer, i tried taking more care > of it, but it still came off worse. Lousy Phone. :) Lousy owner :-p
Webseller - 24 Feb 2004 04:06 GMT If it happens to ALL my phone, i would agree with u. :) But it only happens to T610. In which case I would say it's more of a Lousy Phone Design. :)
> > Btw, just in case u think that the casing scratches/smudging is due to my > > partiularly rough usage, i can say that I never change my usage pattern [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Lousy owner :-p Dirk G. Straka - 23 Feb 2004 10:15 GMT Hi Sebby,
thus spoke Sebby: [...eulogy to T610]
> This sums it up perfectly :-) Not really. You have to mention the disadvantages, too: At first, the T610 has _very_ poor reception. Referring to this, my ME45 is _much_ better. Moreover you can not see, if there was a call or message in absence: After a short while the screen gets dark again and you see absolutely nothing - the phone just sits there, well knowing that there was a call, but it will not tell you till you activate it. Very annoying. And even if you're around, you may not hear it, as the ringing tones are way to soft. Last but not least, the battery: Due to the big color display, it lasts just half the time, my ME45 does.
IOW: If you need a phone for nothing else than just good- looking, the T610 is perfect. Buy a vitrine or a showcase to protect it (it is _VERY_ susceptible), and you'll be happy with it. But if you want to use it, perhaps even make (or get) a call from time to time, too, forget it. Especially if you live or travel in bad covered regions.
Greets, Dirk
Richard Colton - 23 Feb 2004 14:17 GMT > Hi Sebby, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Not really. You have to mention the disadvantages, too: True.
> At > first, the T610 has _very_ poor reception. I don't agree. The T610 is just a little more "honest" regarding the signal strangth than most other handsets. It is quicker than some to proclaim that it has no coverage, but when it does show minimal signal strength, it will make a call whereas a Nokia for example may be showing one or two bars but can't make a call.
> Referring to this, my > ME45 is _much_ better. Moreover you can not see, if there was a > call or message in absence: After a short while the screen gets > dark again and you see absolutely nothing - the phone just sits > there, well knowing that there was a call, but it will not tell > you till you activate it. Very annoying. And much the same as virtually all colour screen phones. I don't see any reason why the manufacturers couldn't implement a "missed call" message to replace the clock screensaver.
> And even if you're > around, you may not hear it, as the ringing tones are way to > soft. Now that comment is just plain rubbish. Digirain has got to be one of the loudest ring tones I've ever heard.
> Last but not least, the battery: Due to the big color > display, it lasts just half the time, my ME45 does. True, but your ME-45 has a mono screen. Considering the size of the T610 screen, battery life is pretty good. I regularly get 5 days plus out of mine with approx 20 minutes of calls per day.
> IOW: If you need a phone for nothing else than just good- > looking, the T610 is perfect. Buy a vitrine or a showcase to > protect it (it is _VERY_ susceptible), and you'll be happy with > it. But if you want to use it, perhaps even make (or get) a > call from time to time, too, forget it. Especially if you live > or travel in bad covered regions. Again, I don't agree. My T610 is about six months old now, never been in a carry case, but just gets slung into my pocket. There are no marks or scratches on it, but the black screen surround does pick up every finger mark. Reliablity has been second to none, and making & receiving calls both on the handset and via BlueTooth absolutely trouble free.
IMHO the T610 is a damn good phone for the money.
>>> Unlock Your Phone's Potential <<< >>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<< >>> http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk <<< Dirk G. Straka - 23 Feb 2004 16:26 GMT Hi Richard,
thus spoke Richard Colton, citing me: [...]
> > At first, the T610 has _very_ poor reception. > I don't agree. Doesn't matter. ;o) The difference is not just felt or assumed, it's measurable.
> The T610 is just a little more "honest" regarding the signal > strangth than most other handsets. LOL - very well phrased. *grin*
No, it's definitely a problem of reception. It happened more than once that my girlfriend's T610 even refuses to connect to the network (same provider!) where I was still able to make and get calls - w/o any problem! Especially at her office, where she gets nothing else than "Emergency calls only" (due to metal coated isolating glass). But my ME45 works properly.
Perhaps your Nokia is as bad as the T610? ;o)
> > Moreover you can not see, if there was a call or message in > > absence: After a short while the screen gets dark again and > > you see absolutely nothing - the phone just sits there, well > > knowing that there was a call, but it will not tell you till > > you activate it. Very annoying. > And much the same as virtually all colour screen phones. Some of them show a small light. To make it even worse: The T610 already _has_ such a light (in the joystick), but makes no use of it. Very strange.
> I don't see any reason why the manufacturers couldn't implement > a "missed call" message to replace the clock screensaver. Perhaps because you don't even see the T610's clock if the screen saver (which is in fact "Screen Off") is active. :o/
> > And even if you're around, you may not hear it, as the ringing > > tones are way to soft. > Now that comment is just plain rubbish. Digirain has got to be > one of the loudest ring tones I've ever heard. Digirain? Nevertheless: If you want to hear a _LOUD_ ringtone, just put my ME45 next to your ear ... *veg*
> > Last but not least, the battery: Due to the big color display, > > it lasts just half the time, my ME45 does. > True, but your ME-45 has a mono screen. Never missed color while speaking ... but color seems to be very nice. Especially when the battery is empty again - while I'm still online. Monochrome, ok, but active. That's what a _phone_ is for, isn't it?
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> IMHO the T610 is a damn good phone for the money. No, it's just a damn good (looking) design object for the money.
Greets, Dirk
Richard Colton - 23 Feb 2004 20:15 GMT > Hi Richard, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Doesn't matter. ;o) The difference is not just felt or assumed, > it's measurable. Err.. yeah, that's what I implied. But my T610 is no worse than any other phone I've owned (which is a fair few).
> > The T610 is just a little more "honest" regarding the signal > > strangth than most other handsets. > > LOL - very well phrased. *grin* I thought so. :-)
> No, it's definitely a problem of reception. It happened more > than once that my girlfriend's T610 even refuses to connect to > the network (same provider!) where I was still able to make and > get calls - w/o any problem! Especially at her office, where > she gets nothing else than "Emergency calls only" (due to metal > coated isolating glass). But my ME45 works properly. I'd get it looked at then, because it must be faulty if reception is that bad. Mine works just as well as most other handsets, but as with anything else, you'll always find that something is better or worse in any given situation.
> Perhaps your Nokia is as bad as the T610? ;o) Which one? I own fifteen of them - they can't all be faulty.
> > > Moreover you can not see, if there was a call or message in > > > absence: After a short while the screen gets dark again and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > T610 already _has_ such a light (in the joystick), but makes no > use of it. Very strange. Yup, couldn't agree more here.
> > I don't see any reason why the manufacturers couldn't implement > > a "missed call" message to replace the clock screensaver. > > Perhaps because you don't even see the T610's clock if the screen > saver (which is in fact "Screen Off") is active. :o/ It is bad, but press one of the up or down buttons on the side of the phone and the clock half-illuminates.
> > > And even if you're around, you may not hear it, as the ringing > > > tones are way to soft. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Digirain? Nevertheless: If you want to hear a _LOUD_ ringtone, > just put my ME45 next to your ear ... *veg* Still not as loud as Digrain IMHO.
> > > Last but not least, the battery: Due to the big color display, > > > it lasts just half the time, my ME45 does. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'm still online. Monochrome, ok, but active. That's what a > _phone_ is for, isn't it? Right, so you don't text or anything else on your phone? Handsets evolve. Any handset is a compromise between form & function. At the moment, the T610 represents a good balance, but not without it's flaws.
> [...] > > IMHO the T610 is a damn good phone for the money. > > No, it's just a damn good (looking) design object for the money. No, that's just your biased opinion.
>>> Unlock Your Phone's Potential <<< >>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<< >>> http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk <<< Dirk G. Straka - 24 Feb 2004 08:34 GMT Hi Richard,
thus spoke Richard Colton, citing me: [...problem of reception]
> I'd get it looked at then, because it must be faulty if > reception is that bad. Already did so. To no avail. :o/
> Mine works just as well as most other handsets, but as with > anything else, you'll always find that something is better or > worse in any given situation. That's true, of course. But if I have a phone, the major issue is making phone calls - at least for me ... YMMV. ;o)
> > Perhaps your Nokia is as bad as the T610? ;o) > Which one? I own fifteen of them - they can't all be faulty. Hmm, ok, seems to be a general Nokia problem. ;o)
> > > I don't see any reason why the manufacturers couldn't > > > implement a "missed call" message to replace the clock [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It is bad, but press one of the up or down buttons on the > side of the phone and the clock half-illuminates. Yes, I know - but this doesn't change the fact that you have to touch the phone to see if s/th is pending. This way you cannot get aware of a missed call by just a sidelong glance.
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> > Digirain? Nevertheless: If you want to hear a _LOUD_ > > ringtone, just put my ME45 next to your ear ... *veg* > Still not as loud as Digrain IMHO. Hmm, still don't know which one you mean ...
> > [...] > > > IMHO the T610 is a damn good phone for the money. > > No, it's just a damn good (looking) design object for > > the money. > No, that's just your biased opinion. Of course. What else? BTW: Same for you. ;o)
Greets, Dirk
Richard Colton - 24 Feb 2004 09:44 GMT <snip>
> > Mine works just as well as most other handsets, but as with > > anything else, you'll always find that something is better or > > worse in any given situation. > > That's true, of course. But if I have a phone, the major issue > is making phone calls - at least for me ... YMMV. ;o) Nope, would have to agree with you there, making phone calls is always the first priority.
> > > Perhaps your Nokia is as bad as the T610? ;o) > > Which one? I own fifteen of them - they can't all be faulty. > > Hmm, ok, seems to be a general Nokia problem. ;o) Well, I run several other brands as well including Simens, Samsung & <shudders> Motorola. To be fair, the Siemens do seem to have the best reception of all my phones, and the more basic mono models have superb battery life. However, all that's not much use if the featureset doesn't come up to scratch. Again, the T610 I personally find no worse than any other handset - it's better in some areas, worse in others, but overall it works for me.
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> > It is bad, but press one of the up or down buttons on the > > side of the phone and the clock half-illuminates. > > Yes, I know - but this doesn't change the fact that you have to > touch the phone to see if s/th is pending. This way you cannot > get aware of a missed call by just a sidelong glance. No, it doesn't, and it's a failing that should be addressed by all manufacturers of colour screen phones.
> [...] > > > Digirain? Nevertheless: If you want to hear a _LOUD_ > > > ringtone, just put my ME45 next to your ear ... *veg* > > Still not as loud as Digrain IMHO. > > Hmm, still don't know which one you mean ... I can take it you've never actually used a T610 then? Digirain is one of the standard ringtones.
> > > [...] > > > > IMHO the T610 is a damn good phone for the money. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Of course. What else? BTW: Same for you. ;o) Of course my opinion is biased, but it's based on actual rather than perceived problems. I'm not arguing with most of your points (particularly the missed call issue), but the points regarding reception and ringtone volume are just plain wrong IME.
>>> Unlock Your Phone's Potential <<< >>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<< >>> http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk <<< Chanchao - 24 Feb 2004 10:40 GMT On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:44:05 GMT, "Richard Colton" <webmaster@NOSPAMuselessinfo.org.uk> wrote some stuff about "Re: what can you do with a T610?", to which I would like to add the following:
>> That's true, of course. But if I have a phone, the major issue >> is making phone calls - at least for me ... YMMV. ;o) > >Nope, would have to agree with you there, making phone calls is always the >first priority. GPRS e-mail and convenient is a damned close second though. And calendar/organizer third. MSN/ICQ chat fourth.. games fifth.. WAP/Web... dictionary... etc, etc, etc :)
>> Yes, I know - but this doesn't change the fact that you have to >> touch the phone to see if s/th is pending. This way you cannot >> get aware of a missed call by just a sidelong glance. > >No, it doesn't, and it's a failing that should be addressed by all >manufacturers of colour screen phones. Err.. screen saver of 3650/3660/6600 shows number of missed calls and number of unread messages if there are any, and time & date if there aren't.
Dirk G. Straka - 24 Feb 2004 14:56 GMT Hi Richard,
thus spoke Richard Colton:
> > [...] > > > > Digirain? Nevertheless: If you want to hear a _LOUD_ [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I can take it you've never actually used a T610 then? Digirain > is one of the standard ringtones. Hmm, perhaps it has a different name in the german version ...?
Greets, Dirk - will have a look tonight
Chanchao - 24 Feb 2004 10:34 GMT On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:17:49 GMT, "Richard Colton" <webmaster@NOSPAMuselessinfo.org.uk> wrote some stuff about "Re: what can you do with a T610?", to which I would like to add the following:
>> And even if you're >> around, you may not hear it, as the ringing tones are way to >> soft. > >Now that comment is just plain rubbish. Digirain has got to be one of the >loudest ring tones I've ever heard. Yes, bordering torture. ;-)
>True, but your ME-45 has a mono screen. Considering the size of the T610 >screen, battery life is pretty good. I regularly get 5 days plus out of >mine with approx 20 minutes of calls per day. Note that you won't get that with T630. While you can easily read a newspaper with the light of one in total darkness, it does drain the battery very fast. Get about 2 days or so. Maybe 3 days once I stop playing around with it so much and turn it off at night. :)
>IMHO the T610 is a damn good phone for the money. Yes. And T630 is better, screen-wise.
Webseller - 22 Feb 2004 15:09 GMT I am using a T610 myself. At first before i got it, I thought it's a perfect phone. BUT after using it for 1/2 a year, i can only say it doesn't even live up to 50% of my expectation. I was a nokia user before.
1. Build In Camera. The build in Camera doesn't take good picture at all. The picture come out grainy, and not very focus most of the time. Ya, I know u got to hold it still when taking picture, but it still comes out blurr some of the time. Don't tell me i got to get a camera stand for it ?? :) I compared to Nokia Phone, T610 fare worse.
2. Syn Software with Computer. Unlike Nokia that comes with it's own Phone Manager, T610 doesn't. It comes with XTNDConnect PC to link up with PC to do phonebook maintainance. Make use of Outlook to do the phone book maintainance. There's no way you can backup the entire phone like nokia, there's no way to do SMS maintainance, no way to set profile from the phone using it. BUT atlas, i manager to find a freeware, Mobile Agent, that allows u to do these. How come Sony Erisson doesn't come with a good software to do all these and need a third party software ?
3. Transfer of pictures/ringing tone. After taking picture with the build in camera, we, of course, would want to save it somewhere right ? The only way to save it is to send it ONE BY ONE from the phone interface to your laptop/pc with infra. I am not complaining about the Infra transfer. I am terribly disappointed that there's no software that comes with Sony Erisson to COPY all the pictures from the phone to the pc. you got to browse throught the pictures on the phone, and send it ONE BY ONE to the PC, and then delete it ONE BY ONE from the phone itself. Damm user unfriendly. The only way around this is to get yourself a BLUETOOTH dongle, then u can treat the phone as a external drive, and do a copy all files to your pc, and then delete all files from it. but there's NO WAY you can do it without BUYING the bluetooth dongle for your comptuer. That sums the pc-handphone interface of T610. Sucks BIG TIME. But, if u don't use it together with a computer, of course, these lousy unfeatures won't bother u.
4. Phone Look and feel. The phone itself look nice, BUT once u start using it, u'll realise that this is a display phone, and not a phone to be use. Basically, ur fingerprint will just smudge the phone surface everytime u use it. Ya, it comes with a cleaning cloth, but are u going to attach the cloth to the phone and use it EVERYTIME you finish using the phone ? Or are u going to wear a glove with you use the phone ? Also , the phone LCD screen casing basically is flush with the rest of the phone. So when u put it in ur pocket, the screen get scratches damm easily. Never had that problem with Nokia phone. And worst of all, the cover is not changable. So it's not a simple affair of buying a new cover with u scratch the surface of the phone. Thought of protecting the phone with a plastic phone cover, BAD CHOICE. the plastic cover rub against the Phone, and causes small round scratches all over the phone.
5. Phone interface Now, we are not talking about the menu, but the SPEED of the interface. Can u imagine pressing a button, or maneurvering the joystick, and the reaction of the action u just did come out 1 sec later ? Just like when a phone ring, u press to answer the phone, but it doesn't seems to pick up the call immediately, so u press again and in the end, 1 sec later, ur phone get answered, and hanged up coz u pressed the button twice. When u try to browse throught the phone book, the selection scroll a while slower than how u press the button. So when u see the name u want to dial, u press the dial button, it still continue to scroll downwards , then DIAL. so u gotta cancel the call, and then retry that again. U get retarded reaction from the phone for every action u do. Almost like they using a old P1 computer and try to run WinXP off it, u get lousy performance, almost to the level of unbearable standard.
6. Handfree set. The plug in of the handfree sucks. If u try plugging in the handfree set, then put the phone inside your pocket and talk, u'll realise that the connector between the phone and the handfree keep coming off. You gotta go connect again. So does that mean that i gotta hold the phone ON my hand when i use the handfree ? Never had a proble with the nokia older model, the 8310, 8250, 3210, 8210, etc. Those headphone jack kind. Not too sure about the newer connector, those 6610, etc.
7. Stupid Profile Configuration. When u plug in the handfree set, it doesn't immediately switch to handfree, sometimes, u gotta wait up to 5sec before the handfree profile comes out. Too slow for my liking. Also, when plugging in the handfree set, u would expect all sound to come from the headset right ? No, u are wrong, the phone itself will still ring, will still "click" when u take picture, etc. I mean, it doesn't make sense.
8. Ringing tone. The ringing tone is just damm soft. Even at loudest, it's so much softer than nokia phone ( Put them side by side to compare), that means i get to miss call more often at crowded and noisy places, compare to my nokia phone in the past. Also, u notice that T610 ALWAYS ring from a soft volume and slowly increase the ringing tone to the normal volume after 2-3 Seconds. There's no way you can set it so that it just ring normally as what the ringing tone was set to. This mean that you might not hear the phone ring for the first couple of seconds because it's always ringing so damm bloody softly, and by the time u hear the ring, the phone had been ringing for 5/6 Seconds already, and before u could answer it, the person on the other end hang up. I got a lot of cases where the person just hanged up when/before i answer the call. This happens very much more frequently than when i was using my previous phone. Might be just me, but then again, i am comparing the my previous phone and my current T610.
9. Screen Try looking at the screen when u are out in the open and the sun's up. You can't see the screen at all, can't really see even if u try using ur hand to cover the screen and peeping through them. But then again, this might be a problem with all coloured phone. BUT i have a nikon digital camera, that i can actually see very well under the exact same situation. i compare them side by side. One i can see clearly without using my hand to cover (nikon camera), the other T610 that i can't see at all, not even when i use hand to shield the screen from the sun.
Off hand, these are the main things that i find that the phone sucks in. Really regretted getting this phone.
My main requirement of the phone would be, 1. Bluetooth Connection. 2. Good PC-Phone linkage software so that i can better manage my phone from the PC, e.g. Maintaining a backup, maintaining sms, phonebook, calendar, etc. 3. Faster User Interface. 4. Good Casing that doesn't get smudge/scratches easily, or at least can be change easily when scratched. 5. Size ard the same as T610/Nokia 8310, 8210, etc. Would be good if it comes with these other functions. 1. Camera with Video. 2. Can add on memory on the fly (that means don't have to shut down the phone, take out cover, take out battery, then change mem card). 3. Polyphonic LOUD ringing tone.
Anyone can tell me which phone actually fit this criteria ? :) Somebody told me siemen phone's quite good in this, any siemen's user wanna comments ?
> > Sucks big time. > > Don't get it. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<< > >>> http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk <<< Chewie - 22 Feb 2004 21:06 GMT > 1. Build In Camera. > The build in Camera doesn't take good picture at all. The picture come > out grainy, and not very focus most of the time. Ya, I know u got to hold it > still when taking picture, but it still comes out blurr some of the time. > Don't tell me i got to get a camera stand for it ?? :) I compared to Nokia > Phone, T610 fare worse. I've taken some photos with the phone standing on a table and the results have been poor.
> 2. Syn Software with Computer. > Unlike Nokia that comes with it's own Phone Manager, T610 doesn't. It [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > come Sony Erisson doesn't come with a good software to do all these and need > a third party software ? I have a USB irda device (Mobile Action MA-620) and the Sony software doesn't recognise it. "It's meant to work with the IR that's normally fitted to laptops" is what their helpline told me. OK, I use the childish-looking Handset Manager from Mobile Action instead.
> 4. Phone Look and feel. > The phone itself look nice, BUT once u start using it, u'll realise that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > plastic cover rub against the Phone, and causes small round scratches all > over the phone. ...and the little plug that's supposed to plug the lens hole? It kept falling out until I finally lost it.
> 5. Phone interface > Now, we are not talking about the menu, but the SPEED of the interface. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > run WinXP off it, u get lousy performance, almost to the level of unbearable > standard. Yes, the delayed reaction on the navigation is irksome to say the least.
> 6. Handfree set. > The plug in of the handfree sucks. If u try plugging in the handfree [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > etc. Those headphone jack kind. Not too sure about the newer connector, > those 6610, etc. I only got one of these recently and although I don't have a problem with the plug coming out, I can see that it could be a problem. Why does the wire have to come out of the side of the plug? It's not as if having it coming out of the bottom will get in the way because it does that anyway.
> 7. Stupid Profile Configuration. > When u plug in the handfree set, it doesn't immediately switch to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the phone itself will still ring, will still "click" when u take picture, > etc. I mean, it doesn't make sense. Heh, I wondered for bloody ages what the 'three squares' icon at the display top meant... then realised it indicates you're handsfree. WTF?
> 8. Ringing tone. > The ringing tone is just damm soft. Even at loudest, it's so much softer [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > using my previous phone. Might be just me, but then again, i am comparing > the my previous phone and my current T610. Aah yes, that damned daft 'someone may go deaf if the phone rings while they're sleeping on it' crap. Coupled with my providers max ringing before going to voicemail it's a right PITA, so I turned off voicemail altogether. Yes, the tones sound great but they are soooo quiet, aren't they? My wife couldn't believe how quiet the same ringtone file is on my T610 compared to her 7250i.
> Off hand, these are the main things that i find that the phone sucks in. > Really regretted getting this phone. I almost regret gettin it too, but after playing with my wife's 7250i, I see it has fewer shortcomings than the Nokia. Nokia should really know better. :)
 Signature Chewie. http://www.chewie.org.uk http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9753,843348,00.html
sosibor - 23 Feb 2004 02:30 GMT so simple trade-in loh..... thats why sony ericsson got T630 liao mah...... :P
> > 1. Build In Camera. > > The build in Camera doesn't take good picture at all. The picture come [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > http://www.chewie.org.uk > http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9753,843348,00.html Chanchao - 23 Feb 2004 07:26 GMT On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:09:45 +0800, "Webseller" <webseller@newmail.net> wrote some stuff about "Re: what can you do with a T610?", to which I would like to add the following:
>1. Build In Camera. Yes it sucks. Then again, any other phone camera currently on the market isn't exactly stellar either, just marginally better. Overall low quality across all brands makes 'camera' a bit of a non-issue when deciding on phones. In other words: If T610/T630's camera was either the same quality as N 6600 OR was completely omitted altogether, this would not affect my opinion by one little tiny bit.
>2. Syn Software with Computer. > Unlike Nokia that comes with it's own Phone Manager, T610 doesn't. It >comes with XTNDConnect PC to link up with PC to do phonebook maintainance. Err I think you're wrong there. On the issue of synchronizing (as well as anything else connectivity related) I think the T610/T630 has the edge over any Nokia phone including 6600. The Nokia PC Suite is a total dog of an application that requires you first establishing a virtual bluetooth serial connection, which doesn't work very reliably in itself. T610/630 however has 'PIM Synchronization' BUILT IN as one if the bluetooth services it supports natively!! So to syncronize, all you have to do is make sure bluetooth is turned on, and then right click the bluetooth tray icon on your PC and select 'Synchronize'!! Sony Ericsson software doesn't even come into it! Flawless bluetooth is one of the strong points of Sony Ericsson in my opinion, not just for synchronizing either, but also head-sets and dial-up internet networking all work far less quirky on Sony Ericsson phones.
>3. Transfer of pictures/ringing tone. > After taking picture with the build in camera, we, of course, would want >to save it somewhere right ? The only way to save it is to send it ONE BY >ONE from the phone interface to your laptop/pc with infra. Right, that sucks. Nokia 6600 alows you to hold the little edit button and then 'drag' down the list to select multiple items of whatever it is you're looking at, be it e-mails or pictures or ringtones. Mind you though, Nokia does NOT support sending ringtones and games by bluetooth!! The bastards maybe have some deal with content providers?? Of course there's ways to get around that, like using a 3rd party file manager.
Another weak point of T610/T630 I find the lack of cut/copy/paste (clipboard) support in notes, messages or e-mails. In Nokia 6600 you can select text, just like you would on a computer, and then cut/copy and paste it somewhere else, even in a different application.
>I am not >complaining about the Infra transfer. I am terribly disappointed that >there's no software that comes with Sony Erisson to COPY all the pictures >from the phone to the pc. Well, I think the memory on T610 is so limited and the camera quality is so limited that this is hardly an issue. :-)
>The only way around this is to get >yourself a BLUETOOTH dongle, then u can treat the phone as a external drive, >and do a copy all files to your pc, and then delete all files from it. Really you can do that!!!!!? That's GREAT!!!! Because with Nokia 6600 you CAN'T!!! While it supports the Bluetooth OBEX file transfer, you only get to see those files that you previously sent to the phone! You can't navigate the whole file/folder structure. Again an example of the FAR superior connectivity implementation on T610/T630.
>but >there's NO WAY you can do it without BUYING the bluetooth dongle for your >comptuer. Well, I think getting one is pretty much a basic necessity of life. Like: "air", "water", "food", "bluetooth dongle" in that order. :-) They cost like what, 25 Euros or something. Far easier and faster to use than linging up infrared or fiddling with cables.
>That sums the pc-handphone interface of T610. Sucks BIG TIME. But, >if u don't use it together with a computer, of course, these lousy >unfeatures won't bother u. We disagree here.. I also toyed around with a GREAT themes application that allows downloading, editing and uploading your own themes to the phone. Very, very nice software that, and works flawless through bluetooth.
>4. Phone Look and feel. > The phone itself look nice, BUT once u start using it, u'll realise that >this is a display phone, and not a phone to be use. Basically, ur >fingerprint will just smudge the phone surface everytime u use it. T630. Nice and clean. Very Apple-computer like. Anyway a phone is a tool; I recommend getting it scratched and dirty. Adds character. :-)
>And worst of all, the cover is not changable. So it's not a >simple affair of buying a new cover with u scratch the surface of the phone. You get get new casings for it. I've seen them around. Not a cheapo Xpress-on cover, but a shop can change the whole case for you. Seen some nice colors too in dark blue and red. I would assume the same will happen for T630.
>Thought of protecting the phone with a plastic phone cover, BAD CHOICE. the >plastic cover rub against the Phone, and causes small round scratches all >over the phone. I use an old sock. ;-)
>5. Phone interface > Now, we are not talking about the menu, but the SPEED of the interface. >Can u imagine pressing a button, or maneurvering the joystick, and the >reaction of the action u just did come out 1 sec later ? Yes, I agree. I would gladly trade in some of the 65000 color cutesy blurb graphics if it meant that the phone would respond instantly. The phone's CPU seems not completely up to the job. Here Nokia Symbian phones win hands down. The added CPU power also enables web browsing and some pretty amazing 3D games.
>8. Ringing tone. > The ringing tone is just damm soft. Even at loudest, it's so much softer >than nokia phone ( Put them side by side to compare), Don't agree. Some midi ringtones are just louder than others. Some sound louder on Nokia, others sound HORRIBLE on Nokia but crisp and loud on T630. It has more sound channels too I think, though for me Nokia is equally adequate. Just use a really annoying tone for your ringtone, like the Digirain ringtone. God that makes you want to answer the call ASAP.. :)
>9. Screen > Try looking at the screen when u are out in the open and the sun's up. T630. That matrix-screen on T610 was a seriously bad idea. (Though I supposed it was less battery hungry. With the light of T630 you can comfortably read a newspaper in pitch black darkness. ;-)
>You can't see the screen at all, can't really see even if u try using ur >hand to cover the screen and peeping through them. But then again, this >might be a problem with all coloured phone. Not T630 anymore. Samsung is nice too in that respect. Nokia slightly less so but still very adequate.
>Off hand, these are the main things that i find that the phone sucks in. >Really regretted getting this phone. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Anyone can tell me which phone actually fit this criteria ? :) Aside from the size and adding memory on the fly: Nokia 6600 !!
Actually I think you forgot one more bad point about the T610/630: That little joystick!! It's just not very accurate and comfortable to use, I often go in the wrong direction than intended. (Especially center press down) Here I like the D-pad layout MUCH better, say Z600 or even Nokia 3650/3660
>Somebody told me siemen phone's quite good in this, any siemen's user wanna >comments ? I think Siemens sucks. Tiny little screens and fiddly keys. yuck.
Webseller - 24 Feb 2004 02:07 GMT > Err I think you're wrong there. On the issue of synchronizing (as well as > anything else connectivity related) I think the T610/T630 has the edge over [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > for synchronizing either, but also head-sets and dial-up internet networking > all work far less quirky on Sony Ericsson phones. I believe that'll only syn your phonebook and calander. It's does not syn everything. Not the phone settings, Not the SMSs, etc. Tried using the Moblie Agent in Chrissorg. It work so much better. But only complains is that is the bluetooth interface only works with a MSI bluetooth dongle, mine's a belkin's.
> Really you can do that!!!!!? That's GREAT!!!! Because with Nokia 6600 you > CAN'T!!! While it supports the Bluetooth OBEX file transfer, you only get to > see those files that you previously sent to the phone! You can't navigate the > whole file/folder structure. Again an example of the FAR superior > connectivity implementation on T610/T630. Let me do some correction. There's only 3 things u can copy in/out from the phone. Each in it's own folder. 1. Pictures. And you can't even delete some of the default pictures that came with the phone that's taking up spaces. 2. Ringing Tone - In Midi Format 3. Theme - Set ur theme for the whole phone.
How do u backup ur game from the phone ?
> You get get new casings for it. I've seen them around. Not a cheapo Xpress-on > cover, but a shop can change the whole case for you. Seen some nice colors too > in dark blue and red. I would assume the same will happen for T630. Problely cost you a new phone for the casing, and also void your warrenty for the phone at the same time. :)
> Don't agree. Some midi ringtones are just louder than others. Some sound > louder on Nokia, others sound HORRIBLE on Nokia but crisp and loud on T630. It > has more sound channels too I think, though for me Nokia is equally adequate. > Just use a really annoying tone for your ringtone, like the Digirain ringtone. > God that makes you want to answer the call ASAP.. :) Nope. Same Midi Ringtone, compared with Nokia 6100, Nokia sound louder, clearer. T610 Sounds much softer. Also, is there anyway to make it such that the T610 play the midi according to what the midi is ? Instead of trying to be a smart a.s by having a 2-4sec fading in of the Midi ? It's so damm bloody soft that most of the time the phone ring w/o me knowing, and by the time i can pick it up, the other party hang up.
Agree with you, from a quick comparision with my friend's Nokia 6600, the 6600 seems so much better. Camera quality better, interface speed faster, etc.
Regards.
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:09:45 +0800, "Webseller" <webseller@newmail.net> wrote > some stuff about "Re: what can you do with a T610?", to which I would like to [quoted text clipped - 165 lines] > > I think Siemens sucks. Tiny little screens and fiddly keys. yuck. Jason Cothran - 24 Feb 2004 02:15 GMT | Tried using the Moblie Agent in Chrissorg. It work so much better. But | only complains is that is the bluetooth interface only works with a MSI | bluetooth dongle, mine's a belkin's. I use a Belkin F8t003 v2 with FMA and it works flawlessly. What kind of issues are you having?
Webseller - 24 Feb 2004 04:09 GMT Can't get the FMA to connect to the phone using bluetooth, only IR works. Mine's the same, F8T003, not too sure of ver. What setting did u put ? Using the Native Bluetooth Option or the Serial Port one ? And how u get abt to connect ?
Thanks !
Regards,
> | Tried using the Moblie Agent in Chrissorg. It work so much better. But > | only complains is that is the bluetooth interface only works with a MSI > | bluetooth dongle, mine's a belkin's. > > I use a Belkin F8t003 v2 with FMA and it works flawlessly. What kind of > issues are you having? Webseller - 24 Feb 2004 12:11 GMT manage to get it working. :) the bluetooth installation somehow never install the serial port hardware. so added in manually, tweak it, and now it works. :) But how come FMA "unlock pc" when the phone come back to proximity is not selectable ?
regards.
> Can't get the FMA to connect to the phone using bluetooth, only IR works. > Mine's the same, F8T003, not too sure of ver. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I use a Belkin F8t003 v2 with FMA and it works flawlessly. What kind of > > issues are you having? Jason Cothran - 24 Feb 2004 13:07 GMT | manage to get it working. :) | the bluetooth installation somehow never install the serial port hardware. | so added in manually, tweak it, and now it works. :) | But how come FMA "unlock pc" when the phone come back to proximity is not | selectable ? Oops, I guess I should have read heard before making my previous post <wink>. I am not sure about the proximity stuff. I have never used any of it.
Erik Lindberg - 25 Feb 2004 16:24 GMT Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:11:14 +0800, webseller@newmail.net (Webseller) ->
> manage to get it working. :) > the bluetooth installation somehow never install the serial port hardware. > so added in manually, tweak it, and now it works. :) > But how come FMA "unlock pc" when the phone come back to proximity is not > selectable ? They don't know if it's possible to do it yet, if my memory serves med correct. I guess the developers of fma has put it in for future use.
-- Erik 'Shades' Lindberg "Ma said to never nail yourself in a box" - Cow "Well, I didn't have anything else planned, lets go get drunk" - Bender "Alla vet att efter den 31:a ölen så måste Angus få härja fritt" - J. Berg
Jason Cothran - 24 Feb 2004 13:06 GMT | Can't get the FMA to connect to the phone using bluetooth, only IR works. | Mine's the same, F8T003, not too sure of ver. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | | Thanks ! I use the serial port option. Set the com port to the port that is created when you connect the bluetooth serial port. You can conect the serial port manually if you wish, but you don't have to. When FMA goes to look for the phone on the com port, the bluetooth software will automatically connect it for you.
Chanchao - 24 Feb 2004 10:48 GMT On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:07:37 +0800, "Webseller" <webseller@newmail.net> wrote some stuff about "Re: what can you do with a T610?", to which I would like to add the following:
>> 'PIM Synchronization' BUILT IN as one if the bluetooth services it >> supports natively!! So to syncronize, all you have to do is make sure bluetooth is >> turned on, and then right click the bluetooth tray icon on your PC and >> select 'Synchronize'!!
> I believe that'll only syn your phonebook and calander. It's does not > syn everything. No, it syncs contacts, calendar entries and tasks. Just not notes and e-mail. So that's still pretty much everything you'd want synced.
>Let me do some correction. There's only 3 things u can copy in/out from the >phone. Each in it's own folder.
>1. Pictures. And you can't even delete some of the default pictures that >came with the phone that's taking up spaces. >2. Ringing Tone - In Midi Format >3. Theme - Set ur theme for the whole phone. Ok I see. Still pretty good that you can access your pictures that way.
>How do u backup ur game from the phone ? Well they came from my PC in the first place. :) I'm not spending my GPRS money on downloading games. :)
Webseller - 24 Feb 2004 12:10 GMT > > I believe that'll only syn your phonebook and calander. It's does not > > syn everything. > > No, it syncs contacts, calendar entries and tasks. Just not notes and e-mail. > So that's still pretty much everything you'd want synced. Nope. SMSs to be backup and archive. That's also one of the important thing.
:)
> >Let me do some correction. There's only 3 things u can copy in/out from the > >phone. Each in it's own folder. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ok I see. Still pretty good that you can access your pictures that way. Isn't all cam phone suppose to be able to do that ?
> >How do u backup ur game from the phone ? > > Well they came from my PC in the first place. :) I'm not spending my GPRS > money on downloading games. :) How do u copy it in in the first place ? Thanks.
Jason Cothran - 24 Feb 2004 13:14 GMT | > >How do u backup ur game from the phone ? | > | > Well they came from my PC in the first place. :) I'm not spending my GPRS | > money on downloading games. :) | How do u copy it in in the first place ? Thanks. Not sure of how to do it through IR or cable connection as I have no use for either, but using bluetooth, just right click and select "send to" > "bluetooth" > [whatever your phne name is] and the phone will place it where it needs to be.
Chanchao - 25 Feb 2004 06:35 GMT On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:10:02 +0800, "Webseller" <webseller@newmail.net> wrote some stuff about "Re: what can you do with a T610?", to which I would like to add the following:
>> Ok I see. Still pretty good that you can access your pictures that way.
>Isn't all cam phone suppose to be able to do that ? I would hope so yes, but Nokia 3650/6600 doesn't. You can send them off easily when you initiate the transfer from the phone though; just highlight all the pics you want to send and then hit send->by bluetooth. I understand that T610/T630 doesn't allow you to do this (selecting several items and sending them in one go) so for T610/T630 it IS siginificant that you're able to download multiple items through File Transfer from your PC.
>> >How do u backup ur game from the phone ? >> >> Well they came from my PC in the first place. :) I'm not spending my GPRS >> money on downloading games. :)
>How do u copy it in in the first place ? Thanks. Send by bluetooth. (or infrared) Just send the .jar or .mpn file(s) to your phone using bluetooth. Then when they arrive the phone automatically installs them. Mophun games tend to come in several parts, but it doesn't matter in which order you send them. There's plenty of sites with downloadable T610 games on the web.
Cheers, Chanchao
Erik Lindberg - 25 Feb 2004 16:25 GMT Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:35:30 +0700, chanchao@remove.hotpop.com (Chanchao) ->
> I would hope so yes, but Nokia 3650/6600 doesn't. You can send them off > easily when you initiate the transfer from the phone though; just highlight > all the pics you want to send and then hit send->by bluetooth. I understand > that T610/T630 doesn't allow you to do this (selecting several items and > sending them in one go) so for T610/T630 it IS siginificant that you're able > to download multiple items through File Transfer from your PC. No problem with sending multiple items and sending them with bluetooth on my T610 anyway.
-- Erik 'Shades' Lindberg "Ma said to never nail yourself in a box" - Cow "Well, I didn't have anything else planned, lets go get drunk" - Bender "Alla vet att efter den 31:a ölen så måste Angus få härja fritt" - J. Berg
Jason Cothran - 23 Feb 2004 13:10 GMT | 2. Syn Software with Computer. | Unlike Nokia that comes with it's own Phone Manager, T610 doesn't. It | comes with XTNDConnect PC to link up with PC to do phonebook maintainance. Wrong. The T610 can sync without the use of any software using its built in PIM sync.
| 3. Transfer of pictures/ringing tone. | After taking picture with the build in camera, we, of course, would want | to save it somewhere right ? The only way to save it is to send it ONE BY | ONE from the phone interface to your laptop/pc Correction again. Browse using the PC side and you can select all the OBEX files you want (including all of them) and transfer them at once.
Webseller - 24 Feb 2004 01:55 GMT > | 2. Syn Software with Computer. > | Unlike Nokia that comes with it's own Phone Manager, T610 doesn't. It > | comes with XTNDConnect PC to link up with PC to do phonebook maintainance. > > Wrong. The T610 can sync without the use of any software using its built in > PIM sync. You ever try backup up ur SMSs ? U sure u dun't need to install any software on ur pc ? :) And last of all, ever try to do a full phone backup and restoration using the software that comes with the phone ?
> | 3. Transfer of pictures/ringing tone. > | After taking picture with the build in camera, we, of course, would [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Correction again. Browse using the PC side and you can select all the OBEX > files you want (including all of them) and transfer them at once. I did mention it can be done in my message, WITH a blue tooth dongle. but not using the IR.
Jason Cothran - 24 Feb 2004 02:12 GMT | > | 2. Syn Software with Computer. | > | Unlike Nokia that comes with it's own Phone Manager, T610 doesn't. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | software on ur pc ? :) And last of all, ever try to do a full phone backup | and restoration using the software that comes with the phone ? For doing a full phone backup, the best thing to use is a tiny free file called phonebackup from christersson.org that integrates with the software that comes with the phone. Considerably easier and more complete than fumbling with Nokia's extremely buggy suite.
Webseller - 24 Feb 2004 04:12 GMT Yes. Precisely. Why doesn't it comes with it in the first place ? Nokia Suite Comes with Everything. For SE, u gotta use some other 3rd party software. And the author's not obligated to update it, patched it for any new version of the phone, unlike a software from the Phone Manufacture.
Regards.
> | > | 2. Syn Software with Computer. > | > | Unlike Nokia that comes with it's own Phone Manager, T610 doesn't. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > that comes with the phone. Considerably easier and more complete than > fumbling with Nokia's extremely buggy suite. Chanchao - 24 Feb 2004 10:28 GMT On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:12:48 +0800, "Webseller" <webseller@newmail.net> wrote some stuff about "Re: what can you do with a T610?", to which I would like to add the following:
>Yes. Precisely. >Why doesn't it comes with it in the first place ? >Nokia Suite Comes with Everything. My 3650 didn't come with PC Suite. Had to download that separately. (It may come with PC Suite and the Opera browser now, but perhaps not in all markets)
Jason Cothran - 24 Feb 2004 13:08 GMT | Yes. Precisely. | Why doesn't it comes with it in the first place ? | Nokia Suite Comes with Everything. | For SE, u gotta use some other 3rd party software. | And the author's not obligated to update it, patched it for any new version | of the phone, unlike a software from the Phone Manufacture. I guess because they are a phone manufacturer and not a software designer? <wink
Webseller - 24 Feb 2004 15:34 GMT Oh. :) Then who's writing the phone firmware for them since they only make the phone itself ? :) Comon, Software and Phone comes in a package. :) Don't tell me u buy a modem card without any drivers, and the manufacture tell u, "Oh, we are only the Modem Manufacture. We don't write the drivers. " . :)
> | Yes. Precisely. > | Why doesn't it comes with it in the first place ? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I guess because they are a phone manufacturer and not a software designer? > <wink Jason Cothran - 24 Feb 2004 20:23 GMT | Oh. :) Then who's writing the phone firmware for them since they only make | the phone itself ? :) | Comon, Software and Phone comes in a package. :) | Don't tell me u buy a modem card without any drivers, and the manufacture | tell u, "Oh, we are only the Modem Manufacture. We don't write the drivers. | " . :) In a way, for the most part, yes. The modem chipsets are typical made by one company who usually provides "reference drivers". The end reseller of the modem usually steps it up and writes/modifies thier drivers to add or remove certain features, tweak stability, etc. Of course comparing modem drivers/phone firmware to PC software is pretty much comparing apples to oranges. A more comparable analogy would be do you but a printer with software capable of doing everything you need to do with your printer? (modify photos, cad/cam drawings, 3d object modeling)? No. The printers typically come with some software to do some of that, but usually much less capable than software you can get elsewhere.
Chanchao - 24 Feb 2004 10:27 GMT On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:12:48 -0500, "Jason Cothran" <NOshjSPAM@charter.net> wrote some stuff about "Re: what can you do with a T610?", to which I would like to add the following:
>For doing a full phone backup, the best thing to use is a tiny free file >called phonebackup from christersson.org that integrates with the software >that comes with the phone. I downloaded that yes. But then you start it up and it doesn't work? Asks for 'port' without specifying what kind of port. Did make a serial connection on both Serial 1 and 2 on the phone, but that didn't work either. I wasn't very impressed with the Christersson stuff.
>Considerably easier and more complete than >fumbling with Nokia's extremely buggy suite. About same same if you ask me.. PC Suite works fine in itself but the underlying mRouter-over serial-over bluetooth is a mess.
Webseller - 24 Feb 2004 12:12 GMT Still gotta use that for the T610 as well./ Using the serial over bluetooth also.
ya, agree, the phonebackup isn't that much to talk abt.
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:12:48 -0500, "Jason Cothran" <NOshjSPAM@charter.net> > wrote some stuff about "Re: what can you do with a T610?", to which I would [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > About same same if you ask me.. PC Suite works fine in itself but the > underlying mRouter-over serial-over bluetooth is a mess. Jason Cothran - 24 Feb 2004 13:11 GMT | On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:12:48 -0500, "Jason Cothran" <NOshjSPAM@charter.net> | wrote some stuff about "Re: what can you do with a T610?", to which I would [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | both Serial 1 and 2 on the phone, but that didn't work either. I wasn't very | impressed with the Christersson stuff. The port it needs is simply the com port that the bluetooth connection uses. before it will work, you must make sure you have the SE software installed and set-up correctly so that the SE phone monitor recognizes your phone is connected. The PhoneBackup from him works through the SE software and it must be configured properly for PhoneBackup to work.
Webseller - 22 Feb 2004 15:13 GMT > To the OP - The T610 feature wise is probably the most complete phone in its > price range. Build quality is better than most of the current Nokia > handsets, and far superior to the 7250i. If you're used to Nokias, the > interface is different but works well once you've got used to it. > Ringtones, pictures and games can all be uploaded easily to the phone (use > IR or Bluetooth, it's far simpler than a cable). Try downloading pictures, ringtones FROM the phone back to the PC. :) Without bluetooth, it's a nightmare.
I thought Nokia's becoming worse, 8310's SMS inbox taking almost 1min-2mins to open, but T610 let me see the reason why Nokia still sells. U got a Bad, U got a Worse. Of course u'll stick to Bad. :)
Chewie - 22 Feb 2004 10:53 GMT > The only complain is the messaging > interface is not as good as nokia. What? That's streets ahead of the 7210/7250(i) and about the best thing about the phone.
I'ver got a T610 and my wife's just got a 7250i and after only four days I can say I don't like either for very different reasons... - Wanna trade fotos? The T610 can send/receive to/from other fones via IR or an IR/IRDA enabled computer running WindowsXP but the Nokia won't. You need to install MobiMB (not free) or Nokia PC Suite (>20MB, free) and use that on a computer and you can forget all about transferring to/from another phone for free altogether unless you're at a computer. - Same goes for ringtones... T610 does it naturally, 72xx is same as for pix. - The T610 will accept most small midis but the 72xx is bloody finnicky. You can load midis into PC Suite to adapt them for the appalling 4-note implementation of polyphony but it's very limited and the results I've had this weekend don't encourage me to continue. - The 72xx display is small compared to the T610 but at least you can see it in daylight... I've bitched about this in here before and no- one's going to convince me it's not an issue. I've had my T610 for 7 months now and my disply is now completely useless out-of-doors due to the dust that has appeared 'behind' the screen. - The 7250 camera is pretty good and so is the T610 but mine's got a lump of something on the inside of the lens so I don't bother with it. - The T610's interface is very nice (if only you could customise all the joystick moves) but the Nokia one is just naff - it's basically a slightly updated (colour and small animation) version of what they put on the 51xx models all those years ago. - Looks. Well, the 7210 looks the best IMO, if you want to get one with a free camera; the 7250's keys are easier to use but the colour schemes look horrible and I'll bet the wife's looking at new covers already. The T610 looks like a brick.
So, to sum it up, I've used a 7210 and a T610 for 6 months each and tested the 7250i and don't really like any of them. Given that the only other model I've had my mitts on was a V200 (you wouldn't believe how crap that is) I don't see a camera-phone I'd bust a gut to get hold of.
 Signature Chewie. http://www.chewie.org.uk http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9753,843348,00.html
Steve - 22 Feb 2004 16:50 GMT > - Wanna trade fotos? The T610 can send/receive to/from other fones via > IR or an IR/IRDA enabled computer running WindowsXP but the Nokia won't. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > appalling 4-note implementation of polyphony but it's very limited and > the results I've had this weekend don't encourage me to continue. That's exactly why I bought myself a T630 and not a 7250(i). Infrared works great for transferring data (photos, midis, themes). My old phone was a T300, copied my phonebook in no time via infrared.
> - The 72xx display is small compared to the T610 but at least you can > see it in daylight... I've bitched about this in here before and no- > one's going to convince me it's not an issue. I've had my T610 for 7 > months now and my disply is now completely useless out-of-doors due to > the dust that has appeared 'behind' the screen. Seems that SonyEricsson solved the screen problem for the T630. I personally think that the 7250(i) display is sufficient, but of course it's nicer to have a large display.
> - The 7250 camera is pretty good and so is the T610 but mine's got a > lump of something on the inside of the lens so I don't bother with it. Dirt on the camera lens is something that really sucks.. but that's just tough luck if you can't clean it.
Kolicha \(vinnieza\) - 22 Feb 2004 11:37 GMT > Wife wants to get one. > Can u downloads files to phone? like pictures and tones from PC? > how is the general comment in comparison to NK 7250 > views and comments please. > Thanks here's a nice comparison that you may find useful:
http://www.esato.com/phones/index.php/phone=54,cp=74
Hope this helps : )
Webseller - 22 Feb 2004 15:17 GMT Some things u gotta try. :) E.g. Both Phone have synchronising, but WAIT till you try the synchronising urself. :) Then u'll realise what is Synchronising. :)
> > Wife wants to get one. > > Can u downloads files to phone? like pictures and tones from PC? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Hope this helps : ) Chanchao - 23 Feb 2004 06:57 GMT On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:04:04 +0800, "stan" <stanleyjtan@hotmail.com> wrote some stuff about "what can you do with a T610?", to which I would like to add the following:
>Wife wants to get one. >Can u downloads files to phone? like pictures and tones from PC? >how is the general comment in comparison to NK 7250 >views and comments please. Well... for me 7250 is not even a competitor. 7250 does not have e-mail and does not have bluetooth. That would make it 'end-of-story' for me right then and there. Also of course the screen is much smaller. T610's screen is not very bright though, so get T630 if you want that fixed. It looks nicer too I think.
Note that Nokia does make phones that run circles around T610/T630 in terms of functionality but none of those are small-sized stylish lady-phones. :) (6600 or 3660 for example)
nothing - 23 Feb 2004 13:12 GMT hi,
i bought the t610, used it for 1 week and sold it.
why?
1. navigation is SLOW. Everytime you press something, there's delay before it goes to the next submenu. 2. navigation is very "cheong-hei" (long winded). like to send an sms, you almost have to press/move the buttons through 3-5 different pages before you can actually go to the send message page. Then there's the delay when typing smses.
If you are a "only use phone to talk" and sms only sometimes, get it. It looks great (but always have to clean it due to oil on face that smears on phone shiny surface).
If you are the type that likes to play with functions / games / sms... don't get it.
it will irritate you.
Adrian - 23 Feb 2004 18:24 GMT > 1. navigation is SLOW. Everytime you press something, there's delay > before it goes to the next submenu. You never tried a T68, did you?
> 2. navigation is very "cheong-hei" (long winded). like to send an sms, > you almost have to press/move the buttons through 3-5 different pages > before you can actually go to the send message page. No, all you need to do is move the joystick left to write a new SMS. It manages to keep up with my SMS typing, with T9 on.
Paul White - 23 Feb 2004 19:05 GMT > No, all you need to do is move the joystick left to write a new SMS. It > manages to keep up with my SMS typing, with T9 on. Joystick-left actually takes you to your first shortcut which may or may not be *Write New*. I think you'll find that the manual is also wrong in this respect.
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Paul White - 23 Feb 2004 19:07 GMT > No, all you need to do is move the joystick left to write a new SMS. It > manages to keep up with my SMS typing, with T9 on. Joystick-left actually takes you to your first shortcut which may or may not be *Write New* - you can change the order. I think you'll find that the manual is also wrong in this respect.
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Chewie - 23 Feb 2004 23:24 GMT > > 1. navigation is SLOW. Everytime you press something, there's delay > > before it goes to the next submenu. > > You never tried a T68, did you? That's beside the point; what you're saying is that the t68 is even worse. :)
> > 2. navigation is very "cheong-hei" (long winded). like to send an sms, > > you almost have to press/move the buttons through 3-5 different pages > > before you can actually go to the send message page. > > No, all you need to do is move the joystick left to write a new SMS. It > manages to keep up with my SMS typing, with T9 on. He's not talking about getting to the editing page, he's on about navigating through the menus to pick the recipient and send. My T610 has 'elastic' operation throughout, including during message composition - with or without T9.
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Adrian - 24 Feb 2004 19:24 GMT >> > 1. navigation is SLOW. Everytime you press something, there's delay >> > before it goes to the next submenu.
>> You never tried a T68, did you?
> That's beside the point; what you're saying is that the t68 is even > worse. :) Yup.
My T610 seems like a little ball of fire...
Stephen Gray - 24 Feb 2004 09:37 GMT > Wife wants to get one. > Can u downloads files to phone? like pictures and tones from PC? > how is the general comment in comparison to NK 7250 > views and comments please. > Thanks Hello.
The T610 is a good phone but get the T630 if you can as the screen is much easier to read outside. If you opt for cable control as I did, make sure you download the 'Float Download agent" and the christersson.org sendfile program. These allow you to send and receive info from the phone easily - something you cannot do with a cable and the Sony software.
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Sheri - 28 Feb 2004 19:04 GMT Stan, I've purchased & returned several phones over the past 2 months & found my T616 to be as close to the perfect phone for me than any others I've had. Among them: 1. Nokia 3650- loved Symbian; hated the keypad 2. Samsung 620- great pics, hated text entry 3. T616- camera is great on a sunny day, love the small size, text entry is great! It even knows which smiley (or frown) to enter!, Picture ID works with text messaging, Syncing with BlueTooth is a breeze. Calendar, notes, tasks go everywhere with me. I hardly use my Pocket pc anymore. Screen is appealing to my eye (hard to see outdoors, tho).
But best of all, (info for your wife) I can enter my shopping list, post is on the screen; the phone is small enough that while I'm pushing the cart in the store, I can keep the phone comfortably in my hand with my list clearly visible! ( its a woman's thing, ok?.)
The bottom line is.... I think its a matter of personal preference! What one loves, another may hate
> Wife wants to get one. > Can u downloads files to phone? like pictures and tones from PC? > how is the general comment in comparison to NK 7250 > views and comments please. > Thanks Bryan Anderson - 28 Feb 2004 23:06 GMT > But best of all, (info for your wife) I can enter my > shopping list, post is on the screen; the phone is > small enough that while I'm pushing the cart in the > store, I can keep the phone comfortably in my hand > with my list clearly visible! (its a woman's thing, > ok?.) As longa s you remember to turn off the auto keylock so that you can hit a key to see the screen after that damn awful screensaver pops up. If you leave the auto keylock on (most sensible) then the screen goes black and you can't see your list....you hit a key and you get a stupid message saying hit more and * to unlock....I know that! I don't need to be told every single time! So - it's at least two keypresses every time you want to check the list. Not a huge problem but bloody annoying.....
Oh for a user-definable time delay before the keylock and/ or the screen saver kicks in.....
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Jason Cothran - 28 Feb 2004 23:21 GMT | > But best of all, (info for your wife) I can enter my | > shopping list, post is on the screen; the phone is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] | Oh for a user-definable time delay before the keylock and/ | or the screen saver kicks in..... Read the note via the note page instead of relying on staying on the desktop. This way, the phone doesn't revert back to the clock (it's not really a black screen, it is the clock without the backlight on so it just appears black in most lighting conditions).
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